Alanna's bond
Fredrik Johansson
channel, or is it because he is ta'veren? No one ever before has bonded
a man who can channel, true. But no one has ever bonded a ta'veren
either.
The Wheel spins out ta'veren, who can walk around freely in the world
and form the pattern around them. If someone interferes, like Alanna,
and try to control them, maybe the Wheel won't allow it. If it is so, it
would be interesting to see what would happen if an Aes Sedai bonded Mat
or Perrin. Or worse, what would happen if Rand bonded Mat or Perrin!!?
The pattern would freak out.
/Fred
Jeff McGuirk
Mat's never going to be bonded as long as he's got his AS repellant
around his neck. Supposing he was bonded when his medallion was
removed, what would happen when he put the medallion back on? Would
it sever the bond? Would it mute, or temporarily nullify the bond?
Or would the bond somehow circumvent the medallion (outfox the foxhead
if you will)? Any thoughts?
JM
Orca
>
> Why can't Alanna control Rand as any other Warder? Is it because he can
> channel, or is it because he is ta'veren? No one ever before has bonded
> a man who can channel, true. But no one has ever bonded a ta'veren
> either.
Rand shielded Alanna in the middle of the bonding. Maybe she didn't get
it right because of that, and that's why she can't control him like she
should be able to.
Steven M. Ginter
spake thus:
No he didn't. The Bonding was completed, Rand seized saidin, he felt
them (Alanna & Verin) trying to shield him, so he shielded them.
--
Steve G.
Gaidin to Emilie Sedai
http://www.verdantfuture.com
ICQ: 28896494
"They will pay," Lews Therin growled. "I am the Lord of the Morning."
Steven M. Ginter
McGuirk) spake thus:
<Bonding Mat>
>Mat's never going to be bonded as long as he's got his AS repellant
>around his neck. Supposing he was bonded when his medallion was
>removed, what would happen when he put the medallion back on? Would
>it sever the bond? Would it mute, or temporarily nullify the bond?
>Or would the bond somehow circumvent the medallion (outfox the foxhead
>if you will)? Any thoughts?
To that we can add "would Liandrin's shield would be unwoven if she
put on the medallion," "would an AS' Oaths be removed if she put on
the medallion," etc etc. I'd have to say "no" to everything. IIRC RJ
said that Liandrin's shield would still be there if she went into a
stedding and came out again, and we know that the same holds true for
Warder bonds and Oaths. I think that the medallion only works against
OP flows themselves, not things constructed using the OP (like
lightning), and the Oaths and Bonds fall under the latter category.
--
Steve G.
Gaidin to Emilie Sedai
http://www.verdantfuture.com
ICQ: 28896494
"Morale? What's wrong with our Morale? Hell, I laughed THREE times
yesterday"
"Yes, I heard the ambulance...
-Simon Paul Travaglia, Bastard Operator From Hell
Mike Jason
> Fredrik Johansson wrote:
>
> Why can't Alanna control Rand as any other Warder? Is it because he can
> channel, or is it because he is ta'veren? No one ever before has bonded
> a man who can channel, true. But no one has ever bonded a ta'veren
> either.
>
My opinion is that it is because he can channel. The bond is intended
to hold those who cannot channel and Compel them without the additional
use of the power.
Alanna tried compelling him immediately after bonding him, (if I
correctly interpret her response when asked by Kiruna why she hadn't
control over him) which is while she was shielded.
That being the case, it seems Compulsion without channeling would only
work on those who could not channel, and a more direct compulsion must be
used on channelers.
If Moirane's coins used compulsion back in TEotW, which only Rand was
able to break, or her orders not to tell anyone they were leaving, then it
would seem that it is the ability to channel that denies the effective use
of compulsion, rather than ta'verenness.
Mike
Mitik
>
> Why can't Alanna control Rand as any other Warder? Is it because he can
> channel, or is it because he is ta'veren? No one ever before has bonded
> a man who can channel, true. But no one has ever bonded a ta'veren
> either.
If it is because of the fact that Rand can channel then why is it not quite
true in reverse when Logaine did the male version of bonding on an Aes Sedai??
-Mykroft Mirkavian
fear is the little death that causes total obliteration
Jean D
>
> > Fredrik Johansson wrote:
> >
> > Why can't Alanna control Rand as any other Warder? Is it because he can
> > channel, or is it because he is ta'veren? No one ever before has bonded
> > a man who can channel, true. But no one has ever bonded a ta'veren
> > either.
>
> If it is because of the fact that Rand can channel then why is it not quite
> true in reverse when Logaine did the male version of bonding on an Aes Sedai??
> -Mykroft Mirkavian
Keep in mind that, to bond the captured Aes Sedai, Logain used a version
of the Warder bond that is specifically _altered to compel obedience_
(TPoD, p. 594).
Jean
Steven M. Ginter
>> Fredrik Johansson wrote:
>>
>> Why can't Alanna control Rand as any other Warder? Is it because he can
>> channel, or is it because he is ta'veren? No one ever before has bonded
>> a man who can channel, true. But no one has ever bonded a ta'veren
>> either.
>
>If it is because of the fact that Rand can channel then why is it not quite
>true in reverse when Logaine did the male version of bonding on an Aes Sedai??
The only thing that I can think of is that you can't use the
Bond to Compel someone who's stronger in the OP than you. The reason
that Rand can't Compel Alanna, then, is that Alanna Bonded him, not
the other way around. I'd wager that, say, Lanfear could Bond
Narishma and use the Bond to Compel him. Maybe.
Webby
wrote:
>Mitik wrote:
>>
>> > Fredrik Johansson wrote:
>> >
>> > Why can't Alanna control Rand as any other Warder? Is it because he can
>> > channel, or is it because he is ta'veren? No one ever before has bonded
>> > a man who can channel, true. But no one has ever bonded a ta'veren
>> > either.
Because all other Warder-bonds are between channelr and non-channeler.
Channller in charge.
Rand-Alanna is channeler-channeler. Both are equal, or the stronger
channeler is in charge. And the stronger channeler is def Rand.
>> If it is because of the fact that Rand can channel then why is it not quite
>> true in reverse when Logaine did the male version of bonding on an Aes Sedai??
Greg Shelley
> >>
> >> Why can't Alanna control Rand as any other Warder? Is it because he can
> >> channel, or is it because he is ta'veren? No one ever before has bonded
> >> a man who can channel, true. But no one has ever bonded a ta'veren
> >> either.
> >
> >true in reverse when Logaine did the male version of bonding on an Aes Sedai??
>
> Bond to Compel someone who's stronger in the OP than you. The reason
> that Rand can't Compel Alanna, then, is that Alanna Bonded him, not
> the other way around. I'd wager that, say, Lanfear could Bond
> Narishma and use the Bond to Compel him. Maybe.
> --
between Saidin and Saidar. In terms of compulsion, I am sure I
remember reading Sammael think how holding Saidin prevented compulsion
being used on him, but we have seen that Moggy is able to use
compulsion on someone who is stronger, (Cyndane). I know compulsion
and compelling may not even be related in the type of weave used, but
that's my opinion and I'm sticking with it
Greg
Timothy Abbott
shielded by whom? Wasn't it one of the Forsaken? Which book was that?
Didn't someone have a dream of Liandrin in the Seachan's hands in PoD? Jeez,
by the time the next book comes out, RJ will be able to drop half of his
plotlines because, at this rate, I won't remember most of them anyway...
In article <MPG.111d29021...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>,
sgi...@ix.netcom.com says...
>
>On Sat, 30 Jan 1999 15:28:11 GMT, je...@amo.physics.yale.edu (Jeff
>McGuirk) spake thus:
>
><Bonding Mat>
>
>>Mat's never going to be bonded as long as he's got his AS repellant
>>around his neck. Supposing he was bonded when his medallion was
>>removed, what would happen when he put the medallion back on? Would
>>it sever the bond? Would it mute, or temporarily nullify the bond?
>>Or would the bond somehow circumvent the medallion (outfox the foxhead
>>if you will)? Any thoughts?
>
>To that we can add "would Liandrin's shield would be unwoven if she
>put on the medallion," "would an AS' Oaths be removed if she put on
>the medallion," etc etc. I'd have to say "no" to everything. IIRC RJ
>said that Liandrin's shield would still be there if she went into a
>stedding and came out again, and we know that the same holds true for
>Warder bonds and Oaths. I think that the medallion only works against
>OP flows themselves, not things constructed using the OP (like
>lightning), and the Oaths and Bonds fall under the latter category.
Rebel Yell
>
First. Please post at the bottom of the article you are responding to,
it makes the thread easier to follow.
> Ok, I am without books, and I have forgotten Liandrin's status. She was
> shielded by whom? Wasn't it one of the Forsaken? Which book was that?
Moghedien shielded her, sorry don't remeber which book.
>
> Didn't someone have a dream of Liandrin in the Seachan's hands in PoD?
It wasn't a dream. We saw her as a servant to Lady Suroth.
Mm110580
>> that Rand can't Compel Alanna, then, is that Alanna Bonded him, not
>> the other way around
Is there any evidence that Rand couldn't compell Alanna if he wanted to? Since
Rand ordered her to stay away from him, we haven't seen them together much.
But I think that he could do something like Myrell did in LoC to get Lan to
come to her. Maybe he could touch the part of her that holds his bond and tell
her to do something, and she would have no choice but to do it. But he might
not have any idea how to do that.
Batya
Steven M. Ginter wrote:
"The only thing that I can think of is that you can't use the
> Bond to Compel someone who's stronger in the OP than you. The reason
> that Rand can't Compel Alanna, then, is that Alanna Bonded him, not
> the other way around. I'd wager that, say, Lanfear could Bond
> Narishma and use the Bond to Compel him. Maybe."
That could be. It might also be that any bond between channelers of different
sexes creates a male-female link of sorts. Don't men have to control those, or am
I getting my rules confused? If so, perhaps that throws a monkeywrench into the
Compulsion aspect of female-male warder bonds, and makes altering male-female bonds
to produce Compulsion easier.
--
Batya
Robert Estes
> Why can't Alanna control Rand as any other Warder? Is it because he can
> channel, or is it because he is ta'veren? No one ever before has bonded
> a man who can channel, true. But no one has ever bonded a ta'veren
> either.
> The Wheel spins out ta'veren, who can walk around freely in the world
> and form the pattern around them. If someone interferes, like Alanna,
> and try to control them, maybe the Wheel won't allow it. If it is so, it
> would be interesting to see what would happen if an Aes Sedai bonded Mat
> or Perrin. Or worse, what would happen if Rand bonded Mat or Perrin!!?
> The pattern would freak out.
>
> /Fred
The bond is a form of linking, and when only a man and a woman is involved,
the man controls the link. In bonding Rand, Alanna made herself HIS warder,
not he hers.
R. Estes
Steven M. Ginter
Please include attributions. The unattributed text was authored by
Yours Truly.
>> The reason
>>> that Rand can't Compel Alanna, then, is that Alanna Bonded him, not
>>> the other way around
>
>Is there any evidence that Rand couldn't compell Alanna if he wanted to? Since
>Rand ordered her to stay away from him, we haven't seen them together much.
>But I think that he could do something like Myrell did in LoC to get Lan to
>come to her. Maybe he could touch the part of her that holds his bond and tell
>her to do something, and she would have no choice but to do it. But he might
>not have any idea how to do that.
Hmm. He certainly wouldn't have any idea how to do that, since most
of his "instinctive" use of the OP comes from LTT, and the properties
of the Warder Bond were terra incognito back in the AoL. I think that
Lan's sense of urgency to rendezvous with Myrelle wasn't Compulsion
per se, but rather an intrinsic property of the Bond itself, where the
Warder realizes the duty to protect his AS, and he can't do that while
many leagues away from her, hence the strong desire to close the
distance between them. As for Rand's ability to Compel Alanna, take a
look at the nature of the Bond between Moiraine and Lan. There are
several instances where Lan and Moi have disagreements, yet it appears
that the use of the Bond to Compel is a conscious act, bc Moiraine
specifically states that she's never utilized that aspect of the Bond.
I foresee Alanna meeting with an "accident" some time soon, so the
Queen of Andor can conveniently step in and Bond Rand at her leisure.
--
Steve G.
Gaidin to Emilie Sedai
http://www.verdantfuture.com
ICQ: 28896494
Jean D
>
[snip]
> I foresee Alanna meeting with an "accident" some time soon, so the
> Queen of Andor can conveniently step in and Bond Rand at her leisure.
Hmmm... That would be something. Elayne is already having trouble
distinguishing her own emotions from those she sometimes feels through
the bond to her present warder Birgitte, and then she will have to deal
with Rand's too.
Jean
Micah
Webby wrote in message <36b3ea47...@news.thuntek.net>...
>>> >
>>> > Why can't Alanna control Rand as any other Warder? Is it because he
can
>>> > channel, or is it because he is ta'veren? No one ever before has
bonded
>>> > a man who can channel, true. But no one has ever bonded a ta'veren
>>> > either.
>
It seems that the Compulsion of the Bond must be used intentionally (Moi
mentions that she has never _used_ that part of Lan's Bond) so it's entirely
possible that she simply hasn't attempted to use it. I also seem to remember
(erroniously?) that she was among those who swore fealty to Rand. If that
were the case, her Oaths probably wouldn't allow her to Compel one she has
sworn fealty to.
>Because all other Warder-bonds are between channelr and non-channeler.
>Channller in charge.
>
>Rand-Alanna is channeler-channeler. Both are equal, or the stronger
>channeler is in charge. And the stronger channeler is def Rand.
<snip>
>>Keep in mind that, to bond the captured Aes Sedai, Logain used a version
>>of the Warder bond that is specifically _altered to compel obedience_
>>(TPoD, p. 594).
>>
>>Jean
>
Micah
Matt Gross
Steven M. Ginter wrote in message ...
>Hmm. He certainly wouldn't have any idea how to do that, since most
>of his "instinctive" use of the OP comes from LTT, and the properties
>of the Warder Bond were terra incognito back in the AoL. I think that
>Lan's sense of urgency to rendezvous with Myrelle wasn't Compulsion
>per se, but rather an intrinsic property of the Bond itself, where the
>Warder realizes the duty to protect his AS, and he can't do that while
>many leagues away from her, hence the strong desire to close the
>distance between them. As for Rand's ability to Compel Alanna, take a
>look at the nature of the Bond between Moiraine and Lan. There are
>several instances where Lan and Moi have disagreements, yet it appears
>that the use of the Bond to Compel is a conscious act, bc Moiraine
>specifically states that she's never utilized that aspect of the Bond.
>I foresee Alanna meeting with an "accident" some time soon, so the
>Queen of Andor can conveniently step in and Bond Rand at her leisure.
>--
Hate to say it but Alanna can't have an accident. What are the survival
numbers for a warder that has his AS die? Not very good, part of the reason
Lan went to Myrelle. Despite her lack of ability to compell, Alanna is his
AS and if they offer her they get him. That would be one of the easiest
ways to kill the Dragon Reborn. The only way Elayne is going to get to bond
Rand is if they pass the bond.
Matt
Jeff McGuirk
<gro...@nospam.andassoc.com> wrote:
>Hate to say it but Alanna can't have an accident. What are the survival
>numbers for a warder that has his AS die? Not very good, part of the reason
>Lan went to Myrelle. Despite her lack of ability to compell, Alanna is his
>AS and if they offer her they get him. That would be one of the easiest
>ways to kill the Dragon Reborn. The only way Elayne is going to get to bond
>Rand is if they pass the bond.
Myrelle has a reputation of recycling Warders, of saving them after
their AS die. One could imagine that if Alanna died, Elayne could
bond Rand soon after and keeping him from going crazy(er). She could
nurse him back to health with her love by looking down her nose at
him, boxing his ears, writing him letters stating that she never wants
to see him again, and generally bitching at him.
JM
Matt Gross
Jeff McGuirk wrote in message <36b5b861....@news.yale.edu>...
>Myrelle has a reputation of recycling Warders, of saving them after
>their AS die. One could imagine that if Alanna died, Elayne could
>bond Rand soon after and keeping him from going crazy(er). She could
>nurse him back to health with her love by looking down her nose at
>him, boxing his ears, writing him letters stating that she never wants
>to see him again, and generally bitching at him.
>
Yeah, after all Myrelle has been working at saving warders for a long time
and she isn't a member of the dynamic duo that can do anything. I think
Rand would wake up see Elayne and commit suicide when he compared the two.
Ozgur Eylem Gunal
Fredrik Johansson wrote:
> Why can't Alanna control Rand as any other Warder? Is it because he
> can channel, or is it because he is ta'veren?
IMHO, it's because of Rand's ability to channel. The reason I think
this is because I suspect bonding is associated in some sense with
linking... and in a link consisting of only one male and one female it
is the male that needs to control the circle. Just personal opinion.
(Though I don't completely discount tavre'enness as the cause of this
effect.)
Oz
Ozgur Eylem Gunal
First, Fredrik Johansson asked:
> > Why can't Alanna control Rand as any other Warder?
Then Mitik wrote:
> If it is because of the fact that Rand can channel then why is it not
> quite true in reverse when Logaine did the male version of bonding on
> an Aes Sedai??
I suspect the reason for this is because there is a natural asymmetry
between men channeling and women channeling. For example, in a circle
of one male and one female channeler the male *must* control the circle.
Sounds familiar? I think this is why Allana can't control Rand but
Logain has the works on his AS pet(s).
Also by extrapolation of the linking/circle rules, I think it is
impossible for a male to bond another male channeler. I.e. there need
must be a female component for a bond to be made... as we have so far
seen in all cases (Allana-Rand, Moiraine-Lan, Logain-AS,
Elayne-Brigitte and reports of Asha'man-wife). I'm undecided about a
male bonding a non-channeler male.
Also by extrapolation I suspect it is possible to have a one-to-many
type of bonding where one person can bond multiple recipients... again
within constraints of existing linking/circle rules. I also suspect it
is impossible to form bond cycles where A bonds B and B bonds A... only
one person can "hold" the bond... kind of like during a circle. (Other
greater cycles is also impossible, IMHO).
Oz
Mm110580
>per se
I was talking about in LoC when Lan reaches Myrell and she says something like
"come to me" and when he doesn't she reaches out with spirit and touches the
part of him that holds her bond and says it again and then he does.
Fabian Meyer
Steven M. Ginter schrieb in Nachricht ...
>There are
>several instances where Lan and Moi have disagreements, yet it appears
>that the use of the Bond to Compel is a conscious act, bc Moiraine
>specifically states that she's never utilized that aspect of the Bond.
Alanna is once asked why she did use the "forcing-kind-of-bond" or something
the like and she says that she tried, but Rand was already embracing the
OnePower, hence on guard and safe from her attempt but she DID TRY, she just
wasn't able to!
>I foresee Alanna meeting with an "accident" some time soon, so the
>Queen of Andor can conveniently step in and Bond Rand at her leisure.
Hope that she don't, Rand is going insane enough already what do you think
yould happen if he lost "his" Aes Sedai? Remember Lan's hollow, dead eyes
even though he is in love and has still ties to this world? It's several
times stated, that Warders who loose their Aes Sedai go insane and most of
the times they die avenging their Aes Sedai afterwards. Alanna'll have to
pass the bond to Elayne, which she'd have to do on a command of Egwene
Amyrilin Seat, wouldn't she? Besides who says that one person can't be
bonded by two others? Did anyone ever try?
Ciao, Fabian ( fm@*spamsuckZ*kki.org )
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Who thinks he turns the Wheel of Time,
may learn the truth too late.
- From the Prophecies of the Dragon
Sydo Zandstra
>
> Steven M. Ginter wrote:
> >
> [snip]
>
> > Queen of Andor can conveniently step in and Bond Rand at her leisure.
>
> distinguishing her own emotions from those she sometimes feels through
> the bond to her present warder Birgitte, and then she will have to deal
> with Rand's too.
>
what that means... (and it remains to be seen if Elayne could handle
him in such a state).
--
Sydo
Warder to Emilie Sedai
"I saw a woman who tried to kill me", Mat said over his shoulder.
"Give her a trinket next time" Nalesean shouted after him.
Jeff McGuirk
<fm@*spamsuckZ*kki.org> wrote:
>Hope that she don't, Rand is going insane enough already what do you think
>yould happen if he lost "his" Aes Sedai? Remember Lan's hollow, dead eyes
>even though he is in love and has still ties to this world? It's several
>times stated, that Warders who loose their Aes Sedai go insane and most of
>the times they die avenging their Aes Sedai afterwards. Alanna'll have to
>pass the bond to Elayne, which she'd have to do on a command of Egwene
>Amyrilin Seat, wouldn't she? Besides who says that one person can't be
>bonded by two others? Did anyone ever try?
Party in Rand's head! Everyone invited!!
JM
Selina
>
> Steven M. Ginter wrote:
> >
> [snip]
>
> > I foresee Alanna meeting with an "accident" some time soon, so the
> > Queen of Andor can conveniently step in and Bond Rand at her leisure.
>
> Hmmm... That would be something. Elayne is already having trouble
> distinguishing her own emotions from those she sometimes feels through
> the bond to her present warder Birgitte, and then she will have to deal
> with Rand's too.
She won't have any problem distinguishing Rand's emotion's from anyone
else's. The reason why she has problems with Birgitte is because
they're both female, therefore too similar, therefore the distinction
is blurred. No problem with Rand. Be just the same as any Warder
bond.
To address other issues in this thread that I'm far too lazy to put in
their proper places, Alanna can't compel Rand simply because he can
channel. This makes sense. I don't think an AS has to actively
channel to compel her Warder, so she's using the intrinsic properties
of the bond and her intrinsic abilities as a channeler. Rand, in
turn, unconsciously uses the intrinsic properties of his channeling
faculty, without direct recourse to saidin, to resist. Something
vaguely like how it's possible to get through a tied-off shield.
And AFAIK there is nothing in the Warder bond that compels the Warder
to protect his/her AS. That's just a Warder's job so they
automatically all do. (Otherwise, how come Elyas Machera can stay
away from his AS leaving here facing, potentially, the Light knows
what?) Lan was compelled to go to Myrelle because of something
Myrelle and Moiraine had worked into the passing of the bond (I know
for sure because my reread got up to that particular chapter today).
Philip Bradwell
On Mon, 1 Feb 1999, Ozgur Eylem Gunal wrote:
> I also suspect it
> is impossible to form bond cycles where A bonds B and B bonds A... only
> one person can "hold" the bond... kind of like during a circle. (Other
> greater cycles is also impossible, IMHO).
>
> Oz
Assumiong it is impossible for A to bond B and also for B to bonmd A, does
that make it impossible for a 'bonded' to become a 'bonder'. i.e. A bonds
B and B bonds C. Here, A could be Asha'man, B ould be AS and C could just
be a normal warder. Just a thought.
Phil.
Ozgur Eylem Gunal
First Oz wrote:
> > I also suspect it is impossible to form bond cycles where A bonds B
> > and B bonds A... only one person can "hold" the bond... kind of like
> > during a circle. (Other greater cycles is also impossible, IMHO).
Then Philip Bradwell suggested:
> Assumiong it is impossible for A to bond B and also for B to bonmd A,
> does that make it impossible for a 'bonded' to become a 'bonder'. i.e.
> A bonds B and B bonds C. Here, A could be Asha'man, B ould be AS and C
> could just be a normal warder. Just a thought.
Just to be clear... this is all just speculation to begin with, but it's
somewhat interesting to think about...
If I read you correctly, what you're suggesting has already been
suggested before. Mainly that -- as you put it -- "the bonder becomes
the bonded", which is in some sense what happened with Rand and Allana
(IMHO). Of course, Rand probably has no clue that he can control
Allana... but there is evidence to suggest this is the case: when he
wished her to go away -- told her out right IIRC -- she hasn't been back
since.
So here's my personal take on how all this bonding stuff works:
1) Bonding works very much like linking and multiple people in a bond
is possible.
2) Only one person can "hold the bond", which gives him/her control over
the others in a bond.
3) Unlike linking non-channalers can be bound, but they can never hold
the bond. They only play a passive role insofarasmuch linking rules
are concerned (i.e. they still count as adding their gender to the
mix).
4) Gender is important in determining the nature of the bond as per the
linking rules:
- i.e. There are cases when only men are allowed to hold the bond
(so long as they are channalers as per rule 3)
- i.e. There *must* be at least one woman in the bond.
5) Other linking limits are also imposed:
- i.e. there is a maximum to how many can participate in the bond.
- i.e. bonds are "stronger" in mixes where men and women are of equal
numbers
6a) Speculation on top of speculation: It does not matter who initiates
the bond, but control will always reverts to the most powerful
eligible channaler in the bond. So that: in a large bond where
someone outside the bond attempts to bind another in the mix, he/she
will only get control if he/she is the most powerful channeler in
the mix.
6b) As an alternative to rule 6a, it's possible to speculate different
scenarios... for example, one can speculate that control only gets
transferred when the one holding the bond gets bonded by another
(so long as rules 1-5 are maintained)... if there is a contention
for control, then power determines it. (e.g. Had Allana already
possessed say two other Warders, then Rand would be in control of
them too).
A) It's also possible to use a tree-like bonding model. When a cycle
is attempted, then controls and sub-controls are rearranged as to
place the stronger at the root of the bonding tree. In this model,
"bonds" are between two people only and the previous limits are
contingent only on each person (i.e. one person can not bind more
than the maximum allowed in a link, etc., etc., etc.).
Speculation, speculation, speculation. We just don't have enough
empirical data to formulate a Complete and Unified Theory of Bonding and
Linking. Is this important? It could be if a character knows something
we don't...
Oz
"Rand smiled as he prepared the flows. No one could have anticipated
this move. Egweene's eyes widened in disbelief as she found herself
bound once again. The White Tower and the Black Tower was one. And
once again -- one by one -- the Servants kneeled together in the winds
of time to defer to the guidance of the Tamyrlin."
-A potential pattern in a potential age
Lee Seong Per
Hi.
> That could be. It might also be that any bond between channelers of different
> sexes creates a male-female link of sorts. Don't men have to control those, or am
both parties have to be channeling the OP. Not so with bonding.
"Use the Force; Read the Source" --- Redhat Linux manual.