My predictions for PoD
Kjell Stahl
Well, it's 02.00am and I was suddenly gripped by that irresistible
"you have to post to the froup" feeling. So here comes my predictions
for the Path of Daggers:
What I believe _will_ happen:
o Either Elaida or Alviarin will lose their place as leader. Maybe
both. In either case, I believe that negotiations with the Salidar AS
will begin. It will not come to any results in this book at least,
though.
o We will have a Logain POV, maybe as he arrives at the Dark tower.
o We will be given more hints about Asmodean's demise. I believe that
RJ wants us to know, and will sort of throw it in our faces like the
"oath rod" thing in ACoS.
o Moghedien will be recaptured/killed. (Just a hunch, she's been
hanging around too long.)
o Much more Seanchan activity. Mat will be captured. Maybe, just
maybe, we will meet the Dot9M. We will at least be given strong hints
about her identity.
o Egwene will be in control of as good as all the factions in
Salidar. It will be a "between the books" thing, of course. Halima
will be rearing her ugly (?) head much more.
o Perrin & co will meet both Galad and Masema. Masema will not be
stopped in this book. Or at least, most of his followers will continue
to ravage the land.
o We will learn more about Moridin. Semirhage and Demandred will also
make appearances.
o The bowl of the winds will (finally) be used.
o Sevanna and her Wise Ones will finally be taken care of. In one way
or an other.
o In the end of the book, Rand will go "over the edge." The beggar
staff and all that.
And here is what I believe will not happen:
o Moiraine will not return, but we will be given some more hints
about her present situation.
o Elayne will not meet Rand in this book either.
o Morgase will not meet Rand either.
o No Forsaken will "die" in this book.
o Sammael will _not_ return in _this_ book.
o The Seanchan will not join forces with Rand.
o No solution to the Taim/Demandred riddle.
Gah. This was more than I intended to write.
Please be gentle. I'm tired.
*snore*
--
Kjell Stahl
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kjell.stahl wrote:
<snip>
> So here comes my predictions
>for the Path of Daggers:
>What I believe _will_ happen:
<snip>
>o We will have a Logain POV, maybe as he arrives at the Dark tower.
I think he'll go to a major city, like Taim did.
<snip>
>o Sevanna and her Wise Ones will finally be taken care of. In one way
>or an other.
Although they've been reduced in size to the innermost cadre, I think they'll
hang on for another book or two.
>o In the end of the book, Rand will go "over the edge." The beggar
>staff and all that.
>
>And here is what I believe will not happen:
>
>o Moiraine will not return, but we will be given some more hints
>about her present situation.
Loony: Moi. will find Rand as a beggar when she returns, and pull him back up
with his bootstraps.
--Luke Cooper
Change is poison gas and I hold my breath.
I try to run away but it lingers everywhere.
I pass out, and the next morning I wake up
and see someone else. --Antti Luode, on rec.arts.poems
Jim Mansfield
In article <MPG.fa9fb5e5...@nntpserver.swip.net>,
Kjell Stahl <kjell...@NOSPAM.mbox303.swipnet.se> wrote:
>Well, it's 02.00am and I was suddenly gripped by that irresistible
>
>What I believe _will_ happen:
>
>both. In either case, I believe that negotiations with the Salidar AS
>will begin. It will not come to any results in this book at least,
>though.
I agree that Elaida will be out. I think Alvairin is too smart (and
has Mesaana on her side) to be ousted so soon - that will wait a book
or two.
>o We will be given more hints about Asmodean's demise. I believe that
>RJ wants us to know, and will sort of throw it in our faces like the
>"oath rod" thing in ACoS.
You're probably right. My vote is that RJ's "took the long jump" means
that he is dead and not coming back.
>o Moghedien will be recaptured/killed. (Just a hunch, she's been
>hanging around too long.)
I think Moggy and Nyneave still have to have it out at some point, but
I think her errands for Moredin (sp?) will keep her too occupied to
have her offed.
>o Much more Seanchan activity. Mat will be captured. Maybe, just
>maybe, we will meet the Dot9M. We will at least be given strong hints
>about her identity.
Mat will be captured. I'm betting that at some point he winds up in
command of the Seanchan somehow - either through marriage or some
other stroke of luck ;-) That may take longer than the next book,
though.=
>o Perrin & co will meet both Galad and Masema. Masema will not be
>stopped in this book. Or at least, most of his followers will continue
>to ravage the land.
Aren't they in opposite corners of Randland now? I thought Perrin was
off to Saldea. Masema is still in the South somewhere. It's been a while
since I read the end of aCoS, but that's my rememberance of it.
>o We will learn more about Moridin. Semirhage and Demandred will also
>make appearances.
>
>o The bowl of the winds will (finally) be used.
>
>o Sevanna and her Wise Ones will finally be taken care of. In one way
>or an other.
They are going to hang around in some form or another until the bitter
end. They still need to figure out that Sammael (whatever his alias
was at the time) has double crossed them and there have to be some
repercussions to their being spread around randland.
>o In the end of the book, Rand will go "over the edge." The beggar
>staff and all that.
Hmmm? I don't remember that part.
>And here is what I believe will not happen:
>
>o Moiraine will not return, but we will be given some more hints
>about her present situation.
You may be right, but she's been gone a long time, two whole books. I
think it's time.
>o Elayne will not meet Rand in this book either.
>
>o Morgase will not meet Rand either.
>
>o No Forsaken will "die" in this book.
>
>o Sammael will _not_ return in _this_ book.
>
>o The Seanchan will not join forces with Rand.
>
>o No solution to the Taim/Demandred riddle.
I bet we get some more clues, perhaps ones tied in with Logain.
One more thing: given the timelines of each of the books, with each
successive book taking up less and less real time in randland, it's
possible that by the 10th or 12th book, we will only be experiencing
about 20 minutes of real time!!! <grin>
-Jim
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Dewi Widjaja
Jim Mansfield wrote:
>
> In article <MPG.fa9fb5e5...@nntpserver.swip.net>,
> Kjell Stahl <kjell...@NOSPAM.mbox303.swipnet.se> wrote:
> >So here comes my predictions for the Path of Daggers:
> >
> >What I believe _will_ happen:
> >
> >stopped in this book. Or at least, most of his followers will
> >continue to ravage the land.
>
> Aren't they in opposite corners of Randland now? I thought Perrin was
> off to Saldea. Masema is still in the South somewhere. It's been a
>while since I read the end of aCoS, but that's my rememberance of it.
In ACoS, Perrin, Faile,Berelain (!!disaster waiting to happen) and the
Two Rivers men were transported by gateway to Ghealdan to rein in Masema
and all the Dragonsworn. I think Masema will give him troubles
in the PoD.
> >o In the end of the book, Rand will go "over the edge." The beggar
> >staff and all that.
>
> Hmmm? I don't remember that part.
That's an old vision (forgot by whom) of Rand, but I personally don't
think it'll happen so soon. Just a wild speculation here, but I think
that will happen near the end when Rand have to go confront the DO by
himself, and he has to disguise himself because he has become too
famous. Something will happen with his eyes too because in the vision it
is covered by cloth .
Vanan
Kjell Stahl wrote:
>o We will be given more hints about Asmodean's demise. I believe that
>RJ wants us to know, and will sort of throw it in our faces like the
>"oath rod" thing in ACoS.
Hrm? I'm not sure what your talking about here. The fact that the oath rod
is one of the nine rods of dominion?
>o In the end of the book, Rand will go "over the edge." The beggar
>staff and all that.
Was that a Min vision, or was it one of those possible futures that Rand
saw in (tGH?)
Dave
Kjell Stahl
Vanan wrote:
> Kjell Stahl wrote:
>
> >o We will be given more hints about Asmodean's demise. I believe that
> >RJ wants us to know, and will sort of throw it in our faces like the
> >"oath rod" thing in ACoS.
>
> Hrm? I'm not sure what your talking about here. The fact that the oath rod
> is one of the nine rods of dominion?
No, the fact that the Oath Rod causes the ageless look. I think that
RJ is a bit surprised that we haven't figured out who killed Asmodean,
and that he will give us a lot of hints in PoD.
> >o In the end of the book, Rand will go "over the edge." The beggar
> >staff and all that.
>
> Was that a Min vision, or was it one of those possible futures that Rand
> saw in (tGH?)
One of Min's viewings.
Agent X
Dewi Widjaja wrote:
>
> Jim Mansfield wrote:
> >
> > In article <MPG.fa9fb5e5...@nntpserver.swip.net>,
> > Kjell Stahl <kjell...@NOSPAM.mbox303.swipnet.se> wrote:
> > >So here comes my predictions for the Path of Daggers:
> > >
> > >What I believe _will_ happen:
> > >
> > >o Perrin & co will meet both Galad and Masema. Masema will not be
> > >stopped in this book. Or at least, most of his followers will
> > >continue to ravage the land.
this is pretty obvious, but since masema went over to amadicia (where
troubles a'brewin) and now with those Seanchan there as well, Perrin
might find more trouble than he can handle.
What I think will probably happen as well (although i'm about 40 pages
from finishing ACoS), Mat (who's the only cool guy in the book) will
probably meet the daughter of the nine moons (which refered to in an
earlier book to the Empress of the Seanchan), since it seems that he's
been captured by the Seanchan in Ebou Dar. That's gonna do something..
and about the Seanchan, there should be a map that has the entire world
with the island of the dead, and the three-fold land, and the other
place (Shara?).
Anywayz, i've also got a question.. how come Avienda made that gateway
into the land of the Seanchan in the book before LoC.
- What ever name i used, i'm not even sure.
Vanan
Agent X wrote:
>Anywayz, i've also got a question.. how come Avienda made that gateway
>into the land of the Seanchan in the book before LoC.
She was trying desperately to preserve ji and not to incur a massive
amount of toh towards Elayne. IIRC, when Rand walked in and saw her standing
there nude, she felt she had to get away before she succumbed to her desires.
In her own words "I did not arrange for you to see me! I must get away from
you. As far away as I can! I must!" In her hysteria, she did the one thing that
would allow her to get _very_ far away from him indeed. She opened a gateway to
the farthest corner of the world she could reach: Seanchan.
Vanan
Robert W. Parker
>Jim Mansfield wrote:
>>
>> In article <MPG.fa9fb5e5...@nntpserver.swip.net>,
>> Kjell Stahl <kjell...@NOSPAM.mbox303.swipnet.se> wrote:
>> >So here comes my predictions for the Path of Daggers:
>> >
>> >What I believe _will_ happen:
<snip>
>> >o In the end of the book, Rand will go "over the edge." The beggar
>> >staff and all that.
>>
>> Hmmm? I don't remember that part.
>
>That's an old vision (forgot by whom) of Rand, but I personally don't
>think it'll happen so soon. Just a wild speculation here, but I think
>that will happen near the end when Rand have to go confront the DO by
>himself, and he has to disguise himself because he has become too
>famous. Something will happen with his eyes too because in the vision it
>is covered by cloth .
If something does happen to his eyes, doesn't that mean he won't be able
to channel? Something about having to see the weaves, IIRC.
If that's true, maybe being ta'veren will seal the DO back up. Both Mat
and Perrin will probably have to be there too. I always thought they'd be
leading the armies, but I could be wrong.
--
Robert Parker
Student
Vanan wrote:
>
> Kjell Stahl wrote:
>
> >o We will be given more hints about Asmodean's demise. I believe that
> >RJ wants us to know, and will sort of throw it in our faces like the
> >"oath rod" thing in ACoS.
>
> Hrm? I'm not sure what your talking about here. The fact that the oath rod
> is one of the nine rods of dominion?
>
why would the oath rod be one of the nine rods of dominion? sammael has
a similar rod, and he does not attach any importance to it. j.s.s
> Dave
Jim Mansfield
In article <MPG.fa9fb5e5...@nntpserver.swip.net>,
Kjell Stahl <kjell...@NOSPAM.mbox303.swipnet.se> wrote:
>
>What I believe _will_ happen:
>
>both. In either case, I believe that negotiations with the Salidar AS
>will begin. It will not come to any results in this book at least,
>though.
One other thing I thought of for predictions: What is going to happen
to Elaida after the Black Tower assault turns into a major failure
for the Aes Sedai? I am assuming their assault on it will be a failure.
There are a lot more Asha'man than the Aes Sedai going there, and if
Taim really is Demandred, I am sure he will do everything in his
power to have the Aes Sedai come out looking bad!
Perhaps this will be the event that starts Elaida's downfall.
Robyn
>>
>>o Moiraine will not return, but we will be given some more hints
>>about her present situation.
>
>You may be right, but she's been gone a long time, two whole books. I
>think it's time.
>
I think she will return.. Especially since in TCoS Min says that
Moiraines veiwing was the only one she was ever wrong about.. Not that
I can remember what her veiwing was off hand.. but I think there are a
few ways it could happen.. one being that she could show up in the
world of dreams.. and the other.. a little more creative... is that
Rand has been having a lot of unprotected sex lately.. she could be
spun into that pattern as a child of his.
>>
>>o Sammael will _not_ return in _this_ book.
Sammael may not show up in the next book but I do not think he is dead
and gone. He is very smart and Rand did give him that second to
escape.
>>
>>o The Seanchan will not join forces with Rand.
>>
>
>One more thing: given the timelines of each of the books, with each
>successive book taking up less and less real time in randland, it's
>possible that by the 10th or 12th book, we will only be experiencing
>about 20 minutes of real time!!! <grin>
>
ThumBoy666
In article <3545174f...@news.erinet.com>, doo...@hotmail.com (Robyn)
writes:
>I think she will return.. Especially since in TCoS Min says that
>Moiraines veiwing was the only one she was ever wrong about..
You want all the evidence?
We know you do!
Check out: <http://www.jps.net/rnros/moiraine.htm>
Well, that's what I wrote out, and it's pretty complete. Besides, my website
doesn't get very many customers these days...Do me a favor, will ya?
--
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"There is a hole in your mind."
JHAMK
>I think she will return.. Especially since in TCoS Min says that
>I can remember what her veiwing was off hand.. but I think there are a
>few ways it could happen.. one being that she could show up in the
>world of dreams.. and the other.. a little more creative... is that
>Rand has been having a lot of unprotected sex lately.. she could be
>spun into that pattern as a child of his.
I agree that she will return, but I think that Rand will be in desperate need
of someone to save his ass and Mat will find one of those doors and find her
standing on the other side saying," It bloody well took you long enough!!"
Speculation is so cool
Jerry
-When looking for answers,
Sit on your ass and drink a beer!
JHAMK
>One other thing I thought of for predictions: What is going to happen
>to Elaida after the Black Tower assault turns into a major failure
>for the Aes Sedai? I am assuming their assault on it will be a failure.
>There are a lot more Asha'man than the Aes Sedai going there, and if
>Taim really is Demandred, I am sure he will do everything in his
>power to have the Aes Sedai come out looking bad!
>
>Perhaps this will be the event that starts Elaida's downfall.
I believe that Elaida will be stilled and kicked out of the White Tower for her
failures, and just in the nick of time, Egwene will show up and take the seat.
If you think that I'm full of smelly, festering bullshit just let me know, I'm
new to all of this.
mjohn...@yahoo.com
In article <MPG.fa9fb5e5...@nntpserver.swip.net>,
kjell...@NOSPAM.mbox303.swipnet.se (Kjell Stahl) wrote:
>
> Well, it's 02.00am and I was suddenly gripped by that irresistible
> "you have to post to the froup" feeling. So here comes my predictions
> for the Path of Daggers:
>
> What I believe _will_ happen:
(snippage throughout)
> o We will have a Logain POV, maybe as he arrives at the Dark tower.
This would be interesting. What I'd also like to see, though I'm not
sure it'll happen, is a Galad POV. Elayne is always saying how horrible
he is because he always does the right thing. I'm curious to see how he
thinks.
> o Moghedien will be recaptured/killed. (Just a hunch, she's been
> hanging around too long.)
Yeah, it's time for Nynaeve to move on to smarter and more dangerous foes.
> o Much more Seanchan activity. Mat will be captured. Maybe, just
> maybe, we will meet the Dot9M. We will at least be given strong hints
> about her identity.
I thought the implication at the end of ACoS was that Mat was captured?
> o We will learn more about Moridin. Semirhage and Demandred will also
> make appearances.
I'd like to learn more about Moridin (and Shaidar Haran too). I would
also _hope_ that we don't have any more villans introduced, because this
would be a telltale sign that the series is going to drag on for a while...
> o The bowl of the winds will (finally) be used.
I hope so. This plot thread's been dragging too long.
> o Sevanna and her Wise Ones will finally be taken care of. In one way
> or an other.
This one too.
> o In the end of the book, Rand will go "over the edge." The beggar
> staff and all that.
I think that this will probably happen after the Last Battle.
> And here is what I believe will not happen:
> o No Forsaken will "die" in this book.
I really hope you're wrong about this...
> o No solution to the Taim/Demandred riddle.
And this too.
(snip rest)
One thing you didn't list that I think will happen:
We will finally have a POV of one of our heriones while she controls a
circle (possibly Elayne when the Bowl is used), and get some insight into
what that's like. It won't be a male/female link though; I'm betting we
won't see that until the _last_ book (or possibly the next to last).
Matt Johnson
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Gabriel Fearon
mjohn...@yahoo.com wrote:
> <Snip PoD Predictions>
>
> We will finally have a POV of one of our heriones while she controls a
> circle (possibly Elayne when the Bowl is used), and get some insight into
> what that's like. It won't be a male/female link though; I'm betting we
> won't see that until the _last_ book (or possibly the next to last).
>
> Matt Johnson
>
> <Snip Sig.>
I always thought that the Male/Female Linking would appear in PoD and this
would be thought by Cadsuane (Spelling?) as refered to by Min in her Viewing
regarding the something she was going to teach all Asha'man.
Gopher971
‘Attack is the best form of defence, and surprise is the best form of
attack’-Aragorn of Sunwood, Human General
‘Kick them in the orbs, and run for it. Better still, get someone else to kick
them in the orbs, while you pinch their drink ….’-Tarl of Welburg, Generally
Human
Ronan the Barbarian – James Bibby
Matrim Cauthon
Is there not a bit, just after Rand has been healed, where the Ashaman and
Aes Sedai work together to heal Rand? It certainly hints at linking if
nothing else!
Gabriel Fearon
Matrim Cauthon wrote:
> Is there not a bit, just after Rand has been healed, where the Ashaman and
> Aes Sedai work together to heal Rand? It certainly hints at linking if
> nothing else!
>
> <Snip>
>
I don't think so, I'm going from memory here so don't kill me if this is wrong but I
think the Aes Sedai tried first and failed and then the Asha'man tried and partially
suceeded, sealing the injuries off. The Aes Sedai then begs the Asha'man to teach
her how he did it.
HTH
Alfred Glass
>circle (possibly Elayne when the Bowl is used), and get some insight into
>what that's like. It won't be a male/female link though; I'm betting we
>won't see that until the _last_ book (or possibly the next to last).
>
>
>Matt Johnson
>
>
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In ,I think, the prologue of TDR the seanchan woman recalled a proverb"At
the heights the paths are lined with daggers" hense the title of book8.
Since Mat must wed DOT9M to realise the prophesy of Rand controling the
Seanchan there"s not alot left.
Leigh D. Butler
Personally, what I want to find out in Path of Daggers is who that old guy
is who was watching Carridin in Ebou Dar. I racked my brains for who it
could be and came up with zip. anyone got suspicions?
Also, if you look in the glossary of CoS it says Juilin is in love with,
IIRC, "the last woman he would have ever thought" or something like that.
Now who the bloody **** could that be? And yeah, I'm aware how pathetic it
is that I'm so desperate for the next book to come out that I'm going back
and rereading the friggin' glossaries...Sigh.
Leigh
Gabriel Fearon
Leigh D. Butler wrote:
> Personally, what I want to find out in Path of Daggers is who that old guy
> is who was watching Carridin in Ebou Dar. I racked my brains for who it
> could be and came up with zip. anyone got suspicions?
>
There's very little info to go on, some recently mentioned Jaim Farstrider,
the hero from the book Rand, Elayne et al. have read. He dissappeared some
thirty years ago but no body has been found. Other than that I don't know, I
can't think of anyone else who fits the bill.
> Also, if you look in the glossary of CoS it says Juilin is in love with,
> IIRC, "the last woman he would have ever thought" or something like that.
> Now who the bloody **** could that be? And yeah, I'm aware how pathetic it
> is that I'm so desperate for the next book to come out that I'm going back
> and rereading the friggin' glossaries...Sigh.
>
> Leigh
Let's just hope it's not Nynaeve.
( I can here the helicopeters already)
Matrim Cauthon
1).Old dude watching carridin = Jaim Farstrider... it is hinted at several
times.
2).Juilin - If you read carefuly the Juilin bits after Tanchico it
strongly points
to that Noble-woman that the Black ajah was torturing the Patriach.
Mat
"True knowing consists of knowing that you know nothing."
- Ted.Theodore.Logan.Esquire
Ash Ragheb
On 29 Apr 1998 16:26:23 GMT, "Leigh D. Butler"
<leigh...@mail.utexas.edu> wrote:
>Also, if you look in the glossary of CoS it says Juilin is in love with,
>IIRC, "the last woman he would have ever thought" or something like that.
>Now who the bloody **** could that be? And yeah, I'm aware how pathetic it
>is that I'm so desperate for the next book to come out that I'm going back
>and rereading the friggin' glossaries...Sigh.
Most people think it's Amathera. He doesn't like nobles so he
wouldn't have thought to fall in love with one, but he seemed quite
attracted to her in Tarabon.
I think Theodrin might also be a remote possibility. She's an Aes
Sedai and, IIRC, an Illianer: two qualities no Tairen man would expect
in the woman he loves. The problem with this theory is that I'm not
sure they even met one another while they were in Salidar.
Ash
"I don't believe in getting physical until after I'm married."
"Wouldn't your husband get mad?"
- Dilbert on abstinence
nicholas hale
Leigh D. Butler wrote:
>
> Also, if you look in the glossary of CoS it says Juilin is in love with,
> IIRC, "the last woman he would have ever thought" or something like that.
> Now who the bloody **** could that be?
>
Seeing how Julin Sandar is a mascot for the "Common People" and how he
has such a deep *love* for all humans hailing from Illian, it seems like
he will fall for some Illianer noble-woman.
Of course, we know nothing of Illianer noble-women... and I sound like
an idiot.
--
Nick Hale
"Now that Charles Bukowski's dead, there's enough beer for all of us."
Richard M. Boye'
Ash Ragheb wrote:
>
> On 29 Apr 1998 16:26:23 GMT, "Leigh D. Butler"
>
> >Also, if you look in the glossary of CoS it says Juilin is in love with,
> >IIRC, "the last woman he would have ever thought" or something like that.
> >is that I'm so desperate for the next book to come out that I'm going back
> >and rereading the friggin' glossaries...Sigh.
>
> Most people think it's Amathera. He doesn't like nobles so he
> wouldn't have thought to fall in love with one, but he seemed quite
> attracted to her in Tarabon.
And he's since expressed some concern for her well-being.
>
> I think Theodrin might also be a remote possibility.
Eh?
> She's an Aes
> Sedai and, IIRC, an Illianer:
Not the last time I checked. I thought she was Taraboner.
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My predictions for PoD:
Note: The entire book will take place over the course of two and
a half hours.
The bowl of the winds will be knocked off of a table, and shatters
on the ground. The girls go out looking for another bowl, which they
never find.
Mat bleeds to death under the collapsed building. Go figure.
Rand snaps, and obliterates Tear.
-_All_- the forsaken die by balefire in a massive firefight, and
nearly unravel the Pattern. The battle is only stopped because of my next
prediction:
Birgette has MPS, triggering Elayne, who grabs a convenient
Warder, whose Aes Sedai grabs someone else, who happens to be bonded to an
Asha'man, etc., and the entire world is enveloped in a frenzy of bonding
and MPS the likes of which has never been seen and has only even been
thought of on this group.
Shayol Ghul re-opens as a resort. (like in the AoL)
The book ends with one word, in italics. Flicker. The next book
begins with Rand younger and standing in fron of the Portal Stone from
book two, a bit confused. Yes, the whole series past book two has been an
elaboration on the flickerflickerflicker chapter, and none of it has been
real.
I go off topic, after being startled by my own ideas.
Dear lord, can you imagine if RJ continued the series normally and
then, at the end of the series, after it's all over, on the last page, it
just said flicker? The yelling and arguing on this group would be...
well, not beautiful, not scary, but... well, there's no word to say it
right. RJ would be lynched. Actually, I think it would be neat, but he'd
still be lynched.
I should stop talking now.
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Talas the Great(ish)
ta...@primenet.com
"This is off the record, right?"
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Leigh D. Butler
nicholas hale <nfal...@emerald.spammygohome.tufts.edu> wrote:
>Leigh D. Butler wrote:
>>
>> Also, if you look in the glossary of CoS it says Juilin is in love with,
>> IIRC, "the last woman he would have ever thought" or something like that.
>> Now who the bloody **** could that be?
>>
>
>has such a deep *love* for all humans hailing from Illian, it seems like
>he will fall for some Illianer noble-woman.
>
>Of course, we know nothing of Illianer noble-women... and I sound like
>an idiot.
Actually, I've been doing some thinking about this, and you know who I
came up with? Egeanin, that Seanchan woman El and Nyn met up with in
Tanchico who helped them free the Panarch. The only other one I can think
of might be Brigitte, which would be wacky. He'd be competing with
Olver...maybe. <snicker>
Leigh
Leigh D. Butler
"Richard M. Boye'" <wa...@webspan.net> wrote:
>Ash Ragheb wrote:
>>
>> On 29 Apr 1998 16:26:23 GMT, "Leigh D. Butler"
>>
>> >Also, if you look in the glossary of CoS it says Juilin is in love with,
>> >IIRC, "the last woman he would have ever thought" or something like that.
>> >is that I'm so desperate for the next book to come out that I'm going back
>> >and rereading the friggin' glossaries...Sigh.
>>
>> Most people think it's Amathera. He doesn't like nobles so he
>> wouldn't have thought to fall in love with one, but he seemed quite
>> attracted to her in Tarabon.
>
>And he's since expressed some concern for her well-being.
>
>>
>> I think Theodrin might also be a remote possibility.
>
>Eh?
>
>> She's an Aes
>> Sedai and, IIRC, an Illianer:
>
>
>Not the last time I checked. I thought she was Taraboner.
No, Like I said, I vote for Egeanin. There's a spot, I can't remember
where, where juilin mutters something about Tanchico being an unsafe place
for a woman, apropos of nothing said earlier. Egeanin's the onlt woman
besides Amathera they met there IIRC, unless you want to count Moggy or
the Black Ajah.
Leigh D. Butler
Gabriel Fearon <gfe...@lhdirect.ie> wrote:
>
>
>Leigh D. Butler wrote:
>
>
>> Also, if you look in the glossary of CoS it says Juilin is in love with,
>> IIRC, "the last woman he would have ever thought" or something like that.
>> Now who the bloody **** could that be? And yeah, I'm aware how pathetic it
>> is that I'm so desperate for the next book to come out that I'm going back
>> and rereading the friggin' glossaries...Sigh.
>>
>> Leigh
>
> Let's just hope it's not Nynaeve.
>( I can here the helicopeters already)
>
>
LOL, yikes. You know, I thought of that too, and it's just scary. Juilin
and Lan facing off, not like juilin would have a chance. But hey, we need
a good triangle in WoT - I mean a REAL triangle,not that business with
Rand/El/Min/Avi. OTOH....maybe not.
Leigh
Dewi Widjaja
Leigh D. Butler wrote:
> Actually, I've been doing some thinking about this, and you know who I
> came up with? Egeanin, that Seanchan woman El and Nyn met up with in
> Tanchico who helped them free the Panarch.
But Egeanin likes Bayle Domon, right ? Not to say Juilin coudn't like heranyway,
but still...
Daniel Demus
Leigh D. Butler wrote:
>
> "Richard M. Boye'" <wa...@webspan.net> wrote:
> >Ash Ragheb wrote:
> >>
> >> On 29 Apr 1998 16:26:23 GMT, "Leigh D. Butler"
> >>
> >> >Also, if you look in the glossary of CoS it says Juilin is in love with,
> >> >IIRC, "the last woman he would have ever thought" or something like that.
> >> >Now who the bloody **** could that be? And yeah, I'm aware how pathetic it
> >> >is that I'm so desperate for the next book to come out that I'm going back
> >> >and rereading the friggin' glossaries...Sigh.
> >>
> >> wouldn't have thought to fall in love with one, but he seemed quite
> >> attracted to her in Tarabon.
> >
> >And he's since expressed some concern for her well-being.
> >
> >>
> >> I think Theodrin might also be a remote possibility.
> >
> >Eh?
> >
> >> She's an Aes
> >> Sedai and, IIRC, an Illianer:
> >
> >
> >Not the last time I checked. I thought she was Taraboner.
>
> No, Like I said, I vote for Egeanin. There's a spot, I can't remember
> where, where juilin mutters something about Tanchico being an unsafe place
> for a woman, apropos of nothing said earlier. Egeanin's the onlt woman
> besides Amathera they met there IIRC, unless you want to count Moggy or
> the Black Ajah.
IIRC Egeanin had something going with Bayle Domon, and Domon seemed to
be in agreement, so unless Juilin is supposed to have a torid loveaffair
behind Domon's back, I would vote for Amathera.
--
Daniel
Good people, people!.....
No.....
Kay-Arne Hansen
Richard M. Boye' wrote:
>
> Ash Ragheb wrote:
> >
> > On 29 Apr 1998 16:26:23 GMT, "Leigh D. Butler"
> > <leigh...@mail.utexas.edu> wrote:
<snip>
>
> >
> > I think Theodrin might also be a remote possibility.
>
> Eh?
>
> > She's an Aes
> > Sedai and, IIRC, an Illianer:
>
> Not the last time I checked. I thought she was Taraboner.
>
My trollometer has gone AWOL lately, but on the chance that this _isn't_
a troll; Theodrin is Domani. It's stated repeatedly in the books (or
perhaps it only referred to the skin color...it amounts to the same
thing, anyway).
---
KAH
Richard M. Boye'
Is it? Doesn't she wear the braids? Her name is Tarabonner-esque. The
"drin" is popular in Tarabon..Liandrin, Cerindrin, Selindrin...
nospam
<snip>
>
>Also, if you look in the glossary of CoS it says Juilin is in love with,
>IIRC, "the last woman he would have ever thought" or something like that.
>Now who the bloody **** could that be? And yeah, I'm aware how pathetic it
>is that I'm so desperate for the next book to come out that I'm going back
>and rereading the friggin' glossaries...Sigh.
>
I think is the Panarch, he says that she looks pretty in a serving
outfit. She is also a noble, and Juilin is not too fond of them.
Remove nospam to reply.
Kay-Arne Hansen
Richard M. Boye' wrote:
>
> Kay-Arne Hansen wrote:
> >
> > Richard M. Boye' wrote:
> > >
> > > Ash Ragheb wrote:
> > > >
> > > > <leigh...@mail.utexas.edu> wrote:
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Eh?
> > >
> > > > She's an Aes
> > > > Sedai and, IIRC, an Illianer:
> > >
> > > Not the last time I checked. I thought she was Taraboner.
> > >
> >
> > My trollometer has gone AWOL lately, but on the chance that this _isn't_
> > a troll; Theodrin is Domani. It's stated repeatedly in the books (or
> > perhaps it only referred to the skin color...it amounts to the same
> > thing, anyway).
>
> Is it? Doesn't she wear the braids? Her name is Tarabonner-esque. The
> "drin" is popular in Tarabon..Liandrin, Cerindrin, Selindrin...
I can't remember hearing about any braids...all I can recall about
Theodrin, is that she is apple-cheeked and...copper-skinned (typical
Domani).
As for the names...I dunno. I do not even recall those other names
you're bringing up - Cerindrin and Selindrin. Perhaps you care to
enlighten me...?
---
KAH
Richard M. Boye'
Kay-Arne Hansen wrote:
>
> Richard M. Boye' wrote:
> >
> > Kay-Arne Hansen wrote:
> > >
> > > Richard M. Boye' wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Ash Ragheb wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I think Theodrin might also be a remote possibility.
> > > > Not the last time I checked. I thought she was Taraboner.
> > > >
> > >
> > > My trollometer has gone AWOL lately, but on the chance that this _isn't_
> > > a troll; Theodrin is Domani. It's stated repeatedly in the books (or
> > > perhaps it only referred to the skin color...it amounts to the same
> > > thing, anyway).
> >
> > Is it? Doesn't she wear the braids? Her name is Tarabonner-esque. The
> > "drin" is popular in Tarabon..Liandrin, Cerindrin, Selindrin...
>
> I can't remember hearing about any braids...all I can recall about
> Theodrin,
I might be wrong.
> is that she is apple-cheeked and...copper-skinned (typical
> Domani).
Maybe she's half and half?
> As for the names...I dunno. I do not even recall those other names
> you're bringing up - Cerindrin and Selindrin. Perhaps you care to
> enlighten me...?
They were encountered in Tanchico. Selindrin was the proprietress of
that wine shop where Egeanin and the folks met wearing masks, and
Cerindrin was an attendant of Amethera's that the girls questioned in
trying to get close to the Panarch.
Andrea Lynn Leistra
In article <6i972h$m...@nntp02.primenet.com>,
Steven Odhner <ta...@primenet.com> wrote:
[...]
> Dear lord, can you imagine if RJ continued the series normally and
>then, at the end of the series, after it's all over, on the last page, it
>just said flicker?
There's been speculation for some time now about it ending with "I win
again, Lews Therin Telamon." Probably since TGH came out, in fact.
--
Andrea Leistra http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~aleistra
-----
Life is complex. It has real and imaginary parts.
Asdarthe
Kay-Arne Hansen wrote:
>I can't remember hearing about any braids...all I can recall
>about Theodrin, is that she is apple-cheeked and...copper-
>skinned (typical Domani).
"Of course, the apple-cheeked _Domani_ (emphasis mine) woman
was not Aes Sedai. Back in the Tower, Theodrin..." LoC, p176
Yep, she's Domani.
Chris Ostermann
"Angels and ministers of grace, defend us!"
--- Hamlet, Act I, Scene IV
Brian Ward
Leigh D. Butler <leigh...@mail.utexas.edu> wrote in article
<6i7kbf$7h5$3...@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>...
<snip>
> Also, if you look in the glossary of CoS it says Juilin is in love with,
> IIRC, "the last woman he would have ever thought" or something like that.
> Now who the bloody **** could that be? And yeah, I'm aware how pathetic
it
> is that I'm so desperate for the next book to come out that I'm going
back
> and rereading the friggin' glossaries...Sigh.
It would be cool if it was Egeainin. That way we could have Bayle Domon
and Juilin in an all-out fight. Bayle would kick ass!!!
Brian
Leigh D. Butler
Oh. yeah. forgot about that. ever noticed that RJ doesn't generally let
more than one person get interested in another? Sure would be nice if it
worked out that way in real life...
Leigh
Leigh D. Butler
est...@online.no nospam (Erik Steiro) wrote:
>On 29 Apr 1998 16:26:23 GMT, "Leigh D. Butler"
><leigh...@mail.utexas.edu> wrote:
>
><snip>
>>
>>Also, if you look in the glossary of CoS it says Juilin is in love with,
>>IIRC, "the last woman he would have ever thought" or something like that.
>>Now who the bloody **** could that be? And yeah, I'm aware how pathetic it
>>is that I'm so desperate for the next book to come out that I'm going back
>>and rereading the friggin' glossaries...Sigh.
>>
>
>outfit. She is also a noble, and Juilin is not too fond of them.
>Remove nospam to reply.
I yield. It probably is the Panarch, since I previously forgot about Domon
and Egeanin. Presumably Amthera will come from Amadicia to Ebou Dar with
Suroth after the Seanchan take over the city (well, they already have).
Leigh
Ash Ragheb
>> I think Theodrin might also be a remote possibility.
>
>Eh?
>
>> She's an Aes
>> Sedai and, IIRC, an Illianer:
>
>
>Not the last time I checked. I thought she was Taraboner.
<smacks own forehead> What the hell was I thinking? She do no even
speak in that annoying Illian patois. (And why do Aes Sedai who've
been at the Tower for 50+ years continue to speak their regional
dialects anyway?)
I thought Juilin's lady love might be an Aes Sedai because of how
Tairens feel about the power and because Juilin was more recently in
Salidar than Tanchico. Since Theodrin was teaching Nynaeve and she
wasn't an "official" Aes Sedai, she would be more likely to have had
some contact with Juilin.
I must have subconsciously convinced myself she was an Illianer to
lend credence to my theory.
Dewi Widjaja
Ash Ragheb wrote:
> (And why do Aes Sedai who've been at the Tower for 50+ years continue
> to speak their regional dialects anyway?)
Because Aussies will continue to speak in Aussies dialect, and Brits in
their British dialect, and Americans....etc, etc. It's not so easy to
change your dialects, and again, why bother ? For some, it's a matter of
identity and pride too.
Daniel Demus
Actually RJ seems to be aware of this. There is that one Black Ajah AS,
who keeps on lapsing onto her old "common" accent, when she becomes
agitated.
John L Meyer
Ash Ragheb wrote in message <354a3d30...@news.lightspeed.bc.ca>...
>I thought Juilin's lady love might be an Aes Sedai because of how
>Tairens feel about the power and because Juilin was more recently in
>Salidar than Tanchico. Since Theodrin was teaching Nynaeve and she
>wasn't an "official" Aes Sedai, she would be more likely to have had
>some contact with Juilin.
I thought it was Amathera myself, although now that she's a pet for the
Seanchan that will be a bit of a problem, don't you think?
Anthony David Radisich
On Thu, 30 Apr 1998 est...@online.no wrote:
> On 29 Apr 1998 16:26:23 GMT, "Leigh D. Butler"
> <leigh...@mail.utexas.edu> wrote:
>
> <snip>
> >
> >Also, if you look in the glossary of CoS it says Juilin is in love with,
> >IIRC, "the last woman he would have ever thought" or something like that.
> >Now who the bloody **** could that be? And yeah, I'm aware how pathetic it
> >is that I'm so desperate for the next book to come out that I'm going back
> >and rereading the friggin' glossaries...Sigh.
> >
>
> I think is the Panarch, he says that she looks pretty in a serving
> outfit. She is also a noble, and Juilin is not too fond of them.
> Remove nospam to reply.
>
>
I would've thought it was someone from Illian, seeing as how Juilin is
from Tear. But I guess the Panarch is a more logical solution, seeing as
we haven't been introduced to many women from Illian
Ant
Ash Ragheb
>Ash Ragheb wrote:
>
>> (And why do Aes Sedai who've been at the Tower for 50+ years continue
>> to speak their regional dialects anyway?)
>
>Because Aussies will continue to speak in Aussies dialect, and Brits in
>their British dialect, and Americans....etc, etc. It's not so easy to
>change your dialects, and again, why bother ? For some, it's a matter of
>identity and pride too.
I've known a fair number of immigrants, and from what I've seen,
speech patterns don't become really ingrained until a person is in
their late 20's or early 30's. Younger people will gradually change
their accents and start using the idioms of their new country/region
without consciously trying.
Since most novices go to the Tower in their early teens, it's a little
unrealistic to expect them to keep their dialects after 50 or so years
in Tar Valon.