Dare to be a critic.
MICHAEL LONERGAN, MCMASTER, 525-0722
why not? I keep reading references to the show in all the postings
I get, and I personally love the show (far better than William
Shatner & Co.), but I'm curious what intelligent criticism people
have of what I think is a very well-written, acted, directed and
scored (!) show.
I'll start you off by admitting that some of the props and F/X are
ridiculous, to say the least.
Michael Lonergan
McMaster University
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Jason Michael Farmer
>Are there any people out there who DON'T like ST:TNG, and if so,
>why not? I keep reading references to the show in all the postings
>I get, and I personally love the show (far better than William
>Shatner & Co.), but I'm curious what intelligent criticism people
>have of what I think is a very well-written, acted, directed and
>scored (!) show.
>I'll start you off by admitting that some of the props and F/X are
>ridiculous, to say the least.
I'm definatly a fan. I get a little annoyed with the way Worf always is
bested in combat. Like the episode when Picard is turned into a kid, I
felt Worf should have hit the one Ferengi and then the other Ferengi could
have stunned Worf.
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Richard Blewitt
>Are there any people out there who DON'T like ST:TNG, and if so,
>why not? I keep reading references to the show in all the postings
While I generally like the show, I have some major critisisms.
>I get, and I personally love the show (far better than William
>Shatner & Co.), but I'm curious what intelligent criticism people
>have of what I think is a very well-written, acted, directed and
>scored (!) show.
I find the writing rather bad. First there are no new stories, just
stupid rehashes of the same ideas - just how many transporter
episodes have there been in just this season alone? How many
holodeck episodes have there been? And what about all the nameless
entitiy takes over 1 or more of the crew? Second, their biomedical
knowlege is abismal, I can't tell you how many times I've cringed at
what they are saying. Third, their support of animal rights
absolutly disgusts me. On at least 2 or 3 occaisions I have
considered giving up TNG for good, if it weren't for all my friends
who watch it, I'm sure I would have. Fourth, where's the boldly
goes where no man has gone before? Its more like meekly go where
lots of people have gone before.
As for the acting, it seems to be rather average to me, with the
exception of Stuart who is excellent. For good acting, and writing
for that matter, find some Dr. Who tapes. Even the worst Colin
Baker episodes keep me glued to the set better than trek can.
And finally I am very annoyed with the whole Deep "lets make a quick
rip-off of Babylon 5" Space 9 situation. Paramount deserves no
respect for that.
>I'll start you off by admitting that some of the props and F/X are
>ridiculous, to say the least.
Actually IMHO those tend to be the better parts of TNG, allong with
the good production standards.
Rick
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Mark Adam
really burns me about TNG is rule that says that all aliens are bi-peds with
bumpy foreheads.
the other problem is the feeling that the show absolutely has to reach a
conclusion in one hour, or two in _very_ rare circumstances. i'd enjoy four or
five shows in a row with a common thread binding them together.
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BogusMan
It's just not Star Trek to me. Sorry.
The main problem I have with the show is the "Negotiate at all costs" strategy.
This boils down to a lot of talking, and not much action. It may be more
realistic, but it is boring TV.
Little things, like how Worf is supposed to be much stronger than the
standard human. but every time he has to use his strength, the creature
he goes up against kicks his ass.
I could go on, but the talk talk talk of the show is what gets me.
Picard is notified of a situation. he talks with Riker, leaves to goto
sick bay, and talk to Crusher., talks with Jordy, goes to the bar and
talks wuith Guinan. Then he retires to his cabin and waits for someone
to stop in so they can talk some more.
Dull.
There have been some great shows, but they do too much talking.
And Wesley Crusher must die.
--Judex--
Roderick Easton
Worf and Wesley get killed (temporarily) and "Yesterday's Enterprise": Riker
gets killed.
Matthew Tighe
>In article <01GRKNFGU...@SSCVAX.CIS.MCMASTER.CA> 891...@SSCVAX.CIS.MCMASTER.CA ("MICHAEL LONERGAN, MCMASTER, 525-0722") writes:
>
>>Are there any people out there who DON'T like ST:TNG, and if so,
>>why not? I keep reading references to the show in all the postings
>
>While I generally like the show, I have some major critisisms.
Me too.
>
>>I get, and I personally love the show (far better than William
>>Shatner & Co.), but I'm curious what intelligent criticism people
>>have of what I think is a very well-written, acted, directed and
>>scored (!) show.
>
>I find the writing rather bad. First there are no new stories, just
Actually I had no problems with the writing until the 5th season started. I
thought it was pretty bad then and has gotten worse. And why? Because
Paramount is so cheap instead of hiring a new production crew for DS9, they are
having a lot of key TNG do double duty. DS9 is killing TNG. Jeri Taylor in
particular has got to go.
>stupid rehashes of the same ideas - just how many transporter
>episodes have there been in just this season alone? How many
>holodeck episodes have there been? And what about all the nameless
>entitiy takes over 1 or more of the crew? Second, their biomedical
>knowlege is abismal, I can't tell you how many times I've cringed at
>what they are saying. Third, their support of animal rights
>absolutly disgusts me. On at least 2 or 3 occaisions I have
>considered giving up TNG for good, if it weren't for all my friends
>who watch it, I'm sure I would have. Fourth, where's the boldly
>goes where no man has gone before? Its more like meekly go where
>lots of people have gone before.
>
Exactly. When was the last time the Enterprise encountered a new race on their
own? I can't remember. The recent Scotty episode had a whole new world to
explore but for some unknown reason the writers decided to make it uninhabited.
They've dropped the 'exploration' aspect of the show completely it seems. The
only time we see new sets is when they use the damn holodeck (which of course
some glow bug screws up so we have 'drama'). After 5 years, I'm ready to wave
goodbye to TNG. Apparently so are a lot of orginal fans of the series I've
talked to. But TNG's ratings keep going up, so the producers take the attitude
"we're doing something right!"
>As for the acting, it seems to be rather average to me, with the
>exception of Stuart who is excellent. For good acting, and writing
>for that matter, find some Dr. Who tapes. Even the worst Colin
>Baker episodes keep me glued to the set better than trek can.
Stewart and Spiner do excellent jobs. The rest of the actors suck. Shatner
looks like Marlon Brando compared to most of the TNG cast. If it weren't for
S&S I doubt the series would have gotten past season one. Frakes has improved
since the begining, but I think Sirtis has actually gotten worse. Now there is
some rumors going around that Stewart and Spiner will not be back for the 7th
season!
>
>And finally I am very annoyed with the whole Deep "lets make a quick
>rip-off of Babylon 5" Space 9 situation. Paramount deserves no
>respect for that.
>
Deep Space Nine was never more than attempt to rip off the fans. It's blantant
stealing and it's hurting TNG. The article in EW about the similarities of DS9
to the B5 project JMS pitched to Paramount about 5 years ago was really
amazing.
>
>>I'll start you off by admitting that some of the props and F/X are
>>ridiculous, to say the least.
>
>Actually IMHO those tend to be the better parts of TNG, allong with
>the good production standards.
>
For a TV show, TNG does a really good job. Better than some movies, in fact.
The SFX in the show are better than the effects in Star Trek 3, for instance
(and Trek V for the most part). I still think the ship looks too fake.
>Rick
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-Matthew Tighe
robert j kolker
The show has dealt whith some difficult ethical issues and questions: For
example what about the rights of sentients beings who did not arise
naturally, but are the result of human artifact. Ethical questions
concerning intervention into technologically primitive societies. All
these efforts deserve an A or a B for the try, if not the execution.
The problem, my friends, is that ST:TNG is a *weekly* show. The frequency
of exhibition is sufficiently high, that they have to recycle old plot
mechanisms from time to time. ST:TNG should be shown one a month in the
hourly format or one every two months in a two hour format. Two benefits
would come of this: 1. More time could be taken in constructing the
stories, 2. More time would pass so that repetitions of plot artifacts
would be less obnoxious.
Conan the Libertarian
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"If you can't love the Constitution, then at least hate the Government"
Catherine Beckstead
If you want to read LOTS of critizism of ST:TNG, there are several newsgroups
devoted to it. rec.arts.startrek.current, rec.arts.startrek.misc,
rec.arts.startrek.info, and rec.arts.startrek.tech
Have fun!
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