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Ubiquitous
Jul 21, 2022, 7:01:00 AM7/21/22
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In article <nb4m1f$jv6t$1...@dont-email.me>, a...@chinet.com wrote:
> A Friend <A Friend> wrote:
>> tmc...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> https://www.radiodiscussions.com/threads/channel-drift.751516/
>>>
>>> What was the reason(s) for a channel such as MTV or SyFy to drift
>>> away from its original channel model and direction?
>>
>>In MTV's case, nobody was making videos anymore. They were too
>>expensive and didn't affect music sales.
>>
>>SyFy has always been a mess, even back when it was the Buck Rogers
>>Channel.
>
>Some of my favorite SF programs were on USA. The better stuff on Syfy
>was usually foreign programming.
Lexx will always be a fav of mine.
--
Let's go Brandon!
> A Friend <A Friend> wrote:
>> tmc...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> https://www.radiodiscussions.com/threads/channel-drift.751516/
>>>
>>> What was the reason(s) for a channel such as MTV or SyFy to drift
>>> away from its original channel model and direction?
>>
>>In MTV's case, nobody was making videos anymore. They were too
>>expensive and didn't affect music sales.
>>
>>SyFy has always been a mess, even back when it was the Buck Rogers
>>Channel.
>
>Some of my favorite SF programs were on USA. The better stuff on Syfy
>was usually foreign programming.
Lexx will always be a fav of mine.
--
Let's go Brandon!
Jerry Brown
Jul 21, 2022, 12:07:29 PM7/21/22
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On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 04:30:42 -0400, Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net>
wrote:
May His Shadow fall upon you.
--
Jerry Brown
A cat may look at a king
(but probably won't bother)
wrote:
--
Jerry Brown
A cat may look at a king
(but probably won't bother)
Adam H. Kerman
Jul 21, 2022, 3:26:39 PM7/21/22
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Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net> wrote:
articles to post followups to. I will point out further antics from
Ubi the Shithead. You can decide for yourself if continuing to post
followups to Ubi is troll feeding and if he's truly your friend.
In this thread,
Subject: Channel Drift
I had posted an article.
Message-ID: <tb4m1f$jv6t$1...@dont-email.me>
I didn't crosspost. I didn't set Followup-To. Anyone on Usenet who knows
me is well aware that I almost never do either, especially not in a
thread in which the crossposting and setting of Followup-To is due to
Ubi-the-shithead's antics and not the author of the root article in the
thread.
Ubi forged an article from me once again.
Message-ID: <nb4m1f$jv6t$1...@dont-email.me>
Note that the two Message IDs are off by one character.
One may create one's own Message IDs in the newsreader. I don't do that.
I allow eternal september to create them for me. If the user creates his
own Message ID, it must be in valid syntax and unique and MUST NOT forge
an association with another domain. Ray Banana, the News administrator
of eternal-september, registered that domain. Ubi MUST NOT use it.
In Ubi's forgery, the article is crossposted but Ubi the shithead is
quite stupid and included a newsgroup that doesn't exist. He then set
Followup-To crossposted to four newsgroups.
He also preloaded the Injection headers to pretend the article was still
the one posted through eternal-september instead of Giganews.
Giganews has allowed Ubi to forge other Usenet users for years and to
inject articles that violate standards such as these with the pre-loaded
Injection headers. I don't know why they didn't stop Ubi years ago. They
ignore all abuse reports.
You may wonder why all these articles these threads exist in rec.arts.tv
at all. They were started by a common author, the Usenet shill.
From: Terrence Clay <tmc...@gmail.com>
fwiw, Terrence doesn't post his own content and nearly never
participates in discussion except to deny shilling, but Terrence does
not crosspost. From the root article:
Message-ID: <457617d0-989a-4348...@googlegroups.com>
Newsgroups: alt.tv.mtv
Ubi forged Terrence Clay and crossposted. We can read Ubi's forgery in
rec.arts.tv but not the precursor article without reading it in
alt.tv.mtv.
Message-ID: <n457617d0-989a-4348...@googlegroups.com>
Newsgroups: alt.tv.mtv,alt.tv.scifi.channel,rec.arts.tv
Ubi is no one's friend. He's a troll. He forges. His forgeries tend to
violate Usenet syntax in a serious manner desiged to prevent forgeries,
so it's all Abuse of Usenet that really should get Ubi TOSsed from every
Usenet server he uses, but it doesn't.
Just because Giganews allows Ubi to get away with this behavior doesn't
mean you should. Don't post followups to Ubi's forgeries ever. Don't
post followups to articles Ubi posts that aren't forgeries. Just deny
him the attention he craves so desperately.
>a...@chinet.com wrote:
>>A Friend wrote:
>>>tmc...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>https://www.radiodiscussions.com/threads/channel-drift.751516/
>>>>What was the reason(s) for a channel such as MTV or SyFy to drift
>>>>away from its original channel model and direction?
>>>In MTV's case, nobody was making videos anymore. They were too
>>>expensive and didn't affect music sales.
>>>SyFy has always been a mess, even back when it was the Buck Rogers
>>>Channel.
>>Some of my favorite SF programs were on USA. The better stuff on Syfy
>>was usually foreign programming.
>Lexx will always be a fav of mine.
It's not my place to tell Usenet users whom to associate with and whose
>>A Friend wrote:
>>>tmc...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>https://www.radiodiscussions.com/threads/channel-drift.751516/
>>>>What was the reason(s) for a channel such as MTV or SyFy to drift
>>>>away from its original channel model and direction?
>>>In MTV's case, nobody was making videos anymore. They were too
>>>expensive and didn't affect music sales.
>>>SyFy has always been a mess, even back when it was the Buck Rogers
>>>Channel.
>>Some of my favorite SF programs were on USA. The better stuff on Syfy
>>was usually foreign programming.
>Lexx will always be a fav of mine.
articles to post followups to. I will point out further antics from
Ubi the Shithead. You can decide for yourself if continuing to post
followups to Ubi is troll feeding and if he's truly your friend.
In this thread,
Subject: Channel Drift
I had posted an article.
Message-ID: <tb4m1f$jv6t$1...@dont-email.me>
I didn't crosspost. I didn't set Followup-To. Anyone on Usenet who knows
me is well aware that I almost never do either, especially not in a
thread in which the crossposting and setting of Followup-To is due to
Ubi-the-shithead's antics and not the author of the root article in the
thread.
Ubi forged an article from me once again.
Message-ID: <nb4m1f$jv6t$1...@dont-email.me>
Note that the two Message IDs are off by one character.
One may create one's own Message IDs in the newsreader. I don't do that.
I allow eternal september to create them for me. If the user creates his
own Message ID, it must be in valid syntax and unique and MUST NOT forge
an association with another domain. Ray Banana, the News administrator
of eternal-september, registered that domain. Ubi MUST NOT use it.
In Ubi's forgery, the article is crossposted but Ubi the shithead is
quite stupid and included a newsgroup that doesn't exist. He then set
Followup-To crossposted to four newsgroups.
He also preloaded the Injection headers to pretend the article was still
the one posted through eternal-september instead of Giganews.
Giganews has allowed Ubi to forge other Usenet users for years and to
inject articles that violate standards such as these with the pre-loaded
Injection headers. I don't know why they didn't stop Ubi years ago. They
ignore all abuse reports.
You may wonder why all these articles these threads exist in rec.arts.tv
at all. They were started by a common author, the Usenet shill.
From: Terrence Clay <tmc...@gmail.com>
fwiw, Terrence doesn't post his own content and nearly never
participates in discussion except to deny shilling, but Terrence does
not crosspost. From the root article:
Message-ID: <457617d0-989a-4348...@googlegroups.com>
Newsgroups: alt.tv.mtv
Ubi forged Terrence Clay and crossposted. We can read Ubi's forgery in
rec.arts.tv but not the precursor article without reading it in
alt.tv.mtv.
Message-ID: <n457617d0-989a-4348...@googlegroups.com>
Newsgroups: alt.tv.mtv,alt.tv.scifi.channel,rec.arts.tv
Ubi is no one's friend. He's a troll. He forges. His forgeries tend to
violate Usenet syntax in a serious manner desiged to prevent forgeries,
so it's all Abuse of Usenet that really should get Ubi TOSsed from every
Usenet server he uses, but it doesn't.
Just because Giganews allows Ubi to get away with this behavior doesn't
mean you should. Don't post followups to Ubi's forgeries ever. Don't
post followups to articles Ubi posts that aren't forgeries. Just deny
him the attention he craves so desperately.
suzeeq
Jul 21, 2022, 5:12:14 PM7/21/22
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Joe Bernstein
Jul 21, 2022, 8:01:52 PM7/21/22
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>>In article <n457617d0-989a-4348...@googlegroups.com>,
>><tmc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> https://www.radiodiscussions.com/threads/channel-drift.751516/
>>>
>>> What was the reason(s) for a channel such as MTV or SyFy to drift
>>> away from its original channel model and direction?
>>
>>
>>
>>In MTV's case, nobody was making videos anymore. They were too
>>expensive and didn't affect music sales.
>>
>>SyFy has always been a mess, even back when it was the Buck Rogers
>>Channel.
>
>Some of my favorite SF programs were on USA. The better stuff on Syfy
>was usually foreign programming.
good times...
>>> https://www.radiodiscussions.com/threads/channel-drift.751516/
>>>
>>> What was the reason(s) for a channel such as MTV or SyFy to drift
>>> away from its original channel model and direction?
>>
>>
>>
>>In MTV's case, nobody was making videos anymore. They were too
>>expensive and didn't affect music sales.
>>
>>SyFy has always been a mess, even back when it was the Buck Rogers
>>Channel.
>
>Some of my favorite SF programs were on USA. The better stuff on Syfy
>was usually foreign programming.
Ubiquitous
Jul 22, 2022, 7:24:22 AM7/22/22
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In article <tbc99d$2ic2f$1...@dont-email.me>, a...@chinet.com wrote:
> Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net> wrote:
>> a...@chinet.com wrote:
>>> A Friend wrote:
>>>> tmc...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> https://www.radiodiscussions.com/threads/channel-drift.751516/
>>>>>
>>>>> What was the reason(s) for a channel such as MTV or SyFy to drift
>>>>> away from its original channel model and direction?
>>>>
>>>> In MTV's case, nobody was making videos anymore. They were too
>>>> expensive and didn't affect music sales.
>>>>
>>>> SyFy has always been a mess, even back when it was the Buck Rogers
>>>> Channel.
>>>
>>>Some of my favorite SF programs were on USA. The better stuff on Syfy
>>>was usually foreign programming.
>>
>>Lexx will always be a fav of mine.
>
>It's not my place to tell Usenet users whom to associate with and whose
>articles to post followups to. I will point out further antics from
>Ubi the Shithead. You can decide for yourself if continuing to post
>followups to Ubi is troll feeding and if he's truly your friend.
[Paranoid hysterical conspiratorial rantings deleted]
> Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net> wrote:
>> a...@chinet.com wrote:
>>> A Friend wrote:
>>>> tmc...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> https://www.radiodiscussions.com/threads/channel-drift.751516/
>>>>>
>>>>> What was the reason(s) for a channel such as MTV or SyFy to drift
>>>>> away from its original channel model and direction?
>>>>
>>>> In MTV's case, nobody was making videos anymore. They were too
>>>> expensive and didn't affect music sales.
>>>>
>>>> SyFy has always been a mess, even back when it was the Buck Rogers
>>>> Channel.
>>>
>>>Some of my favorite SF programs were on USA. The better stuff on Syfy
>>>was usually foreign programming.
>>
>>Lexx will always be a fav of mine.
>
>It's not my place to tell Usenet users whom to associate with and whose
>articles to post followups to. I will point out further antics from
>Ubi the Shithead. You can decide for yourself if continuing to post
>followups to Ubi is troll feeding and if he's truly your friend.
Trolling? That's pretty funny, coming from you!
(I am pretty sure you have claimed to have killfiled me on multiple
occassions, including the time I offered condolences for your dog.)
[Kerman's incorrect formatting fixed.]
Ubiquitous
Jul 22, 2022, 7:26:35 AM7/22/22
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Yet you managed to post a followup to me last week...
Ubiquitous
Jul 22, 2022, 7:33:10 AM7/22/22
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je...@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid wrote:
> Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net> wrote:
>> In article <nb4m1f$jv6t$1...@dont-email.me>, a...@chinet.com wrote:
>>> A Friend <A Friend> wrote:
>>>> tmc...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> https://www.radiodiscussions.com/threads/channel-drift.751516/
>>>>>
>>>>> What was the reason(s) for a channel such as MTV or SyFy to drift
>>>>> away from its original channel model and direction?
>>>>
>>>>In MTV's case, nobody was making videos anymore. They were too
>>>>expensive and didn't affect music sales.
>>>>
>>>>SyFy has always been a mess, even back when it was the Buck Rogers
>>>>Channel.
>>>
>>>Some of my favorite SF programs were on USA. The better stuff on Syfy
>>>was usually foreign programming.
>>
>>Lexx will always be a fav of mine.
>
>May His Shadow fall upon you.
“May His merciful Shadow fall upon you.”
> Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net> wrote:
>> In article <nb4m1f$jv6t$1...@dont-email.me>, a...@chinet.com wrote:
>>> A Friend <A Friend> wrote:
>>>> tmc...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> https://www.radiodiscussions.com/threads/channel-drift.751516/
>>>>>
>>>>> What was the reason(s) for a channel such as MTV or SyFy to drift
>>>>> away from its original channel model and direction?
>>>>
>>>>In MTV's case, nobody was making videos anymore. They were too
>>>>expensive and didn't affect music sales.
>>>>
>>>>SyFy has always been a mess, even back when it was the Buck Rogers
>>>>Channel.
>>>
>>>Some of my favorite SF programs were on USA. The better stuff on Syfy
>>>was usually foreign programming.
>>
>>Lexx will always be a fav of mine.
>
>May His Shadow fall upon you.
--
Let's go Brandon!
Ubiquitous
Jul 22, 2022, 8:57:58 AM7/22/22
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>I KF'd him a while back.
Yet you managed to post a followup to me last week...
Adam H. Kerman
Jul 22, 2022, 10:29:10 AM7/22/22
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Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net> wrote:
>a...@chinet.com wrote:
>>Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net> wrote:
>>>a...@chinet.com wrote:
>>>>A Friend wrote:
>>>>>tmc...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>https://www.radiodiscussions.com/threads/channel-drift.751516/
>>>>>>What was the reason(s) for a channel such as MTV or SyFy to drift
>>>>>>away from its original channel model and direction?
>>>>>In MTV's case, nobody was making videos anymore. They were too
>>>>>expensive and didn't affect music sales.
>>>>>SyFy has always been a mess, even back when it was the Buck Rogers
>>>>>Channel.
>>>>Some of my favorite SF programs were on USA. The better stuff on Syfy
>>>>was usually foreign programming.
>>>Lexx will always be a fav of mine.
>>It's not my place to tell Usenet users whom to associate with and whose
>>articles to post followups to. I will point out further antics from
>>Ubi the Shithead. You can decide for yourself if continuing to post
>>followups to Ubi is troll feeding and if he's truly your friend.
>[Paranoid hysterical conspiratorial rantings deleted]
Ubi, I presented evidence demonstrated that you have been forging
>a...@chinet.com wrote:
>>Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net> wrote:
>>>a...@chinet.com wrote:
>>>>A Friend wrote:
>>>>>tmc...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>https://www.radiodiscussions.com/threads/channel-drift.751516/
>>>>>>What was the reason(s) for a channel such as MTV or SyFy to drift
>>>>>>away from its original channel model and direction?
>>>>>In MTV's case, nobody was making videos anymore. They were too
>>>>>expensive and didn't affect music sales.
>>>>>SyFy has always been a mess, even back when it was the Buck Rogers
>>>>>Channel.
>>>>Some of my favorite SF programs were on USA. The better stuff on Syfy
>>>>was usually foreign programming.
>>>Lexx will always be a fav of mine.
>>It's not my place to tell Usenet users whom to associate with and whose
>>articles to post followups to. I will point out further antics from
>>Ubi the Shithead. You can decide for yourself if continuing to post
>>followups to Ubi is troll feeding and if he's truly your friend.
>[Paranoid hysterical conspiratorial rantings deleted]
Terrence Clay repeatedly, and you forged me in this thread. You have
been posting the forgeries through Giganews. They've been allowing you to
post forgeries of other people for years. I made an abuse complaint but
I'm sure it will continue to be ignored.
It's curious that you didn't deny posting the forgeries through
Giganews. You didn't address the issue in any way, just snipped the
quote like the coward that you are.
>Trolling? That's pretty funny, coming from you!
>(I am pretty sure you have claimed to have killfiled me on multiple
>occassions, including the time I offered condolences for your dog.)
your articles' headers. Alas, there is no choice because you are such a
shithead.
Major James Walton
Aug 25, 2022, 12:01:48 PM8/25/22
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Initial concepts for both were too niche. MTV's additional problem was time
spent watching; people would tune in for a song or two then leave. The demos
weren't great either; too many kids and teens, and largely only white kids
and teens at that -- diversity was unknown there until Michael Jackson became
the network's Jackie Robinson, so to speak.
As for SyFy (formerly SciFi), science fiction is a divisive genre to begin
with and it would be nearly impossible to program a channel that would please
SF fans (Oh, and "serious" science fiction fans NEVER call the genre "sci-
fi.") who want content with deep social messaging and those who just want a
terrifying zombie story.
The answer for both networks (as it was for History Channel, CMT, A&E, etc.)
was to dumb down and go for middle-brow to low-brow chewing gum for the
eyeballs of the masses.
spent watching; people would tune in for a song or two then leave. The demos
weren't great either; too many kids and teens, and largely only white kids
and teens at that -- diversity was unknown there until Michael Jackson became
the network's Jackie Robinson, so to speak.
As for SyFy (formerly SciFi), science fiction is a divisive genre to begin
with and it would be nearly impossible to program a channel that would please
SF fans (Oh, and "serious" science fiction fans NEVER call the genre "sci-
fi.") who want content with deep social messaging and those who just want a
terrifying zombie story.
The answer for both networks (as it was for History Channel, CMT, A&E, etc.)
was to dumb down and go for middle-brow to low-brow chewing gum for the
eyeballs of the masses.
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