The worst movie ever?
A Watcher
I was surfing the channels looking for something to watch. The Chiller
channel has this gem on right now.
Michael Bowker
> x-no-archive: yes On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 19:18:37 -0800, A Watcher
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Two words. Barbarian Queen.
Mac Breck
Star Trek V
Dr. T and the Women
Any Sci-Fi/Syfy Original with Olivier Gruner in it.
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"Mac Breck" <macthe...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>A Watcher wrote:
>> Jack Frost2: Revenge of the Mutant Killer Snowman
>>
>> I was surfing the channels looking for something to watch. The
>> Chiller channel has this gem on right now.
>
> Star Trek V
> Dr. T and the Women
> Any Sci-Fi/Syfy Original with Olivier Gruner in it.
The WORST: "MARS NEEDS WOMEN!"
Mark Nobles
> mÔøΩdcÔøΩt wrote:
> > x-no-archive: yes On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 19:18:37 -0800, A Watcher
> > <stoc...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Jack Frost2: Revenge of the Mutant Killer Snowman
> >>
> >> I was surfing the channels looking for something to watch. The Chiller
> >> channel has this gem on right now.
> >
> > I take it you've never seen a SyFy original movie, then?
> >
> Two words. Barbarian Queen.
Didn't that have the redeeming feature of plenty of gratuitous nudity?
I nominate "Stargate" with Kurt Russell as Jack O'Neil (one L and no
sense of humor)
Anim8rFSK
"Mac Breck" <macthe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> A Watcher wrote:
> > Jack Frost2: Revenge of the Mutant Killer Snowman
> >
> > I was surfing the channels looking for something to watch. The
> > Chiller channel has this gem on right now.
>
> Star Trek V
Nonsense. Star Trek V is better than any of the TNG movies.
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A Watcher <stoc...@earthlink.net> wrote:
It's worse than Mars Needs Women??
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erilar
"krp" <kr...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
Aha! Someone else agrees with me!
Mac Breck
> In article <ifednWnKdK59B7HW...@supernews.com>,
> "Mac Breck" <macthe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> A Watcher wrote:
>>> Jack Frost2: Revenge of the Mutant Killer Snowman
>>>
>>> I was surfing the channels looking for something to watch. The
>>> Chiller channel has this gem on right now.
>>
>> Star Trek V
>
> Nonsense. Star Trek V is better than any of the TNG movies.
Nonsense = "Star Trek V is better than any of the TNG movies."
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> In article <4b2ca105$0$5078$9a6e...@unlimited.newshosting.com>,
> "krp" <kr...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> "Mac Breck" <macthe...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:ifednWnKdK59B7HW...@supernews.com...
>>> A Watcher wrote:
>>>> Jack Frost2: Revenge of the Mutant Killer Snowman
>>>>
>>>> I was surfing the channels looking for something to watch. The
>>>> Chiller channel has this gem on right now.
>>>
>>> Star Trek V
>>> Dr. T and the Women
>>> Any Sci-Fi/Syfy Original with Olivier Gruner in it.
>>
>> The WORST: "MARS NEEDS WOMEN!"
>
> Aha! Someone else agrees with me!
Yeah, but look who it is. :-O
Jim Gysin
Anim8rFSK sent the following on 12/19/2009 12:28 PM:
> In article <ifednWnKdK59B7HW...@supernews.com>,
> "Mac Breck" <macthe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> A Watcher wrote:
>>> Jack Frost2: Revenge of the Mutant Killer Snowman
>>>
>>> I was surfing the channels looking for something to watch. The
>>> Chiller channel has this gem on right now.
>> Star Trek V
>
> Nonsense. Star Trek V is better than any of the TNG movies.
Now that's just crazy talk.
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Waukesha, WI
Michael Bowker
Anim8rFSK
Jim Gysin <jimg...@geemail.com> wrote:
It's better than Nemesis. It's better than Insurrection. It's better
than Generations. So we're only arguing about First Contact. In any
event, it's not even close to last place, not even just among Trek films.
Michael Bowker
> In article <hgjmp3$s6f$2...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Jim Gysin <jimg...@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>> Anim8rFSK sent the following on 12/19/2009 12:28 PM:
>>> In article <ifednWnKdK59B7HW...@supernews.com>,
>>> "Mac Breck" <macthe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> A Watcher wrote:
>>>>> Jack Frost2: Revenge of the Mutant Killer Snowman
>>>>>
>>>>> I was surfing the channels looking for something to watch. The
>>>>> Chiller channel has this gem on right now.
>>>> Star Trek V
>>> Nonsense. Star Trek V is better than any of the TNG movies.
>> Now that's just crazy talk.
>
> It's better than Nemesis. It's better than Insurrection. It's better
> than Generations. So we're only arguing about First Contact. In any
> event, it's not even close to last place, not even just among Trek films.
>
agreed.
Pete B
stoc...@earthlink.net says...
> Jack Frost2: Revenge of the Mutant Killer Snowman
>
> I was surfing the channels looking for something to watch. The Chiller
> channel has this gem on right now.
Oh, I thought you were talking about Smurfahontas
OM
wrote:
>It's better than Nemesis. It's better than Insurrection. It's better
>than Generations. So we're only arguing about First Contact. In any
>event, it's not even close to last place, not even just among Trek films.
...And it's really closer in style and structure to an actuial TOS
episode than any other movie prior to Trek '09 - T09, anyone?. It has
an opening teaser, a closing act, and the movie can easily be broken
down into individual acts. The reason the film is ranked so low can be
divided between a knee-jerk reaction to the concept of Shatner
directing, and Paranoidmount skimping on the special effects and
screwing up the climax. In the case of the former, had Nimoy directed
this film, and made the same picture, Trek fans would be praising it
even if it were crap because of their prejudice towards Shatner. In
the case of the latter, the 'Noids need to make up for this by
releasing a special edition with all effects redone to modern
standards. And that includes giving us the original climax with all
the stone demons chasing Kirk.
OM
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Jack Bohn
>In article <hgjmp3$s6f$2...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Jim Gysin <jimg...@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>> Anim8rFSK sent the following on 12/19/2009 12:28 PM:
>> >
>> > Nonsense. Star Trek V is better than any of the TNG movies.
>>
>> Now that's just crazy talk.
>
>It's better than Nemesis. It's better than Insurrection. It's better
>than Generations. So we're only arguing about First Contact. In any
>event, it's not even close to last place, not even just among Trek films.
This pressed my "compare and contrast" button:
ST V vs. ST X
Mad Max on the Planet of Galactic Peace vs. calcified Romulan
Senate turned to stone: Advantage X
Better a cliche that's a stereotype because it's a commonplace
than a cliche that's an overuse of what was originally an
outrageous idea.
Spock's lost half-brother vs. Picard's unknown clone and Data's
lost prototype: Advantage X
Going down to the planet and stealing horses vs. dune buggy: Push
I mean the Next Gen crew are better prepared, but even in a 700m
ship; a special shuttle to carry a dune buggy?
"I know this ship like the back of my hand." <clunk> vs. Troi
crashes another Enterprise: Advantage X
This advantage increases if we include the scenes running around
in the ship: gravity boots in the turbolift shaft vs. Riker
fighting Romulans in the lower decks and Data's giant leap.
"Let's do this right." vs. . . . well, here's one problem with
the Generations films; only the "laugh lines" are really
quotable... whatever, when Picard decides to be taken prisoner by
Shinzon: Advantage V and all the Original Crew film series
Big advantage. In ST V, Kirk gives his adversary what he wants.
See also The Motion Picture, and The Voyage Home. In two other
movies he decides his adversary needs a beatdown, and he delivers
it from the center seat of his Heavy Cruiser. Kirk -if not
wiser- at least realizes he's older. Now, Picard, after seven
years of building a reputation as a man of talk, has somehow
sensed he's no longer on a TV screen, but a movie screen, and
decided he's Bruce Willis in Die Hard. Each Generations Film has
a climactic scene with him delivering justice through a punch in
the mouth. And according to the Nemesis timeline, he's pushing
70!
End on a song: Advantage V
I like a Gershwin tune, how about you? But "Row, Row, Row Your
Boat" is just wonderful.
Nemesis is ahead on points so far, but there's
Overall: advantage V
V is bright, cheery, and quotable.
X is dark, gloomy, and confused
That's the easiest, since ST X is the ST V of the Generations
Films. (And it's a pity they didn't have a Nicholas Meyer of TNG
to give them a proper "Undiscovered Country" sendoff.)
But I could go on to Insurrection if I'm not begged not to...
--
-Jack
Mac Breck
> On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 21:28:30 -0700, Anim8rFSK <ANIM...@cox.net>
> wrote:
>
>> It's better than Nemesis. It's better than Insurrection. It's
>> better than Generations. So we're only arguing about First Contact.
>> In any event, it's not even close to last place, not even just among
>> Trek films.
>
> ...And it's really closer in style and structure to an actuial TOS
> episode than any other movie prior to Trek '09 - T09, anyone?. It has
> an opening teaser, a closing act, and the movie can easily be broken
> down into individual acts. The reason the film is ranked so low can be
> divided between a knee-jerk reaction to the concept of Shatner
> directing, and Paranoidmount skimping on the special effects and
> screwing up the climax. In the case of the former, had Nimoy directed
> this film, and made the same picture, Trek fans would be praising it
> even if it were crap because of their prejudice towards Shatner.
Oh, bull. Hell, I didn't even know that Shatner directed it, just that
he wrote it (actually, I guess, co-wrote it.). It was just an AWFUL,
AWFUL movie. If they'd cut out everything _except_ the camping scenes,
it would have been OK. Now, I'm tempted to rent it just to watch it and
rip it to shreds. As it is, I don't have one frame of that POS in my
house. I *did* have a copy, recorded OTA, but I needed a tape one day,
and grabbed that one.
Didn't know about "Paranoidmount skimping on the special effects and
screwing up the climax."
> In
> the case of the latter, the 'Noids need to make up for this by
> releasing a special edition with all effects redone to modern
> standards.
It's not the effects; it's the story that they put up on the screen. A
lot of it is _laughably_ _bad_ . Some of the scenes are positively
cringeworthy. The movie is pure MST3K fodder. At least, "Star Trek:
Nemesis" had more than 5 or 10 minutes of *good* scenes.
> And that includes giving us the original climax with all
> the stone demons chasing Kirk.
Never heard of these stone demons of which you speak (shades of the
stone monster in Galaxy Quest, only smaller and more of 'em?).
Michael Bowker
I hesitate to defend ST V, but Nemesis is a BAD, BAD , BAD movie. Much
worse than "ST goes campy, I mean camping". What makes Nemesis bad is
that it had a lot of potential that it totally destroyed. It's like
someone came up with a good idea, someone else wrote a good script, and
then turned it over to someone who systematically tried to make the
worst movie possible out of it.
Jack Bohn
>OM wrote:
[Star Trek V]
>> releasing a special edition with all effects redone to modern
>> standards.
>
>
>> And that includes giving us the original climax with all
>> the stone demons chasing Kirk.
>
>Never heard of these stone demons of which you speak (shades of the
>stone monster in Galaxy Quest, only smaller and more of 'em?).
Essentially. The god of Sha Tner Kir goes crazy as before, and
everyone is able to beam out except Kirk, then the rocks start
turning into humanoid demons. Kirk starts some rock climbing
like in the beginning of the movie, but the creatures are about
to get him, when... well, spoilers.
I view that as the proposed ending of TMP, when Vejur ascended,
the three Klingon ships digitized at the beginning of the movie
are recreated... right there above Earth. Just more special
effects, not really adding to the story, and distracting from the
theme.
--
-Jack
Mac Breck
<snip>
> I hesitate to defend ST V, but Nemesis is a BAD, BAD , BAD movie.
Nemesis had some kickass CGI (e.g. the destruction of the Romulan Senate
and the battle scenes.). Granted, all the Shinzon (sp?)/Picard stuff
was CRAP.
> Much worse than "ST goes campy, I mean camping".
The camping was the GOOD part. :-) They should have edited ST:V down
to a short, about good friends camping. If I had it on DVD-RAM, that's
what I'd do. In that way, it's like the "Babylon 5 - The Legend of the
Rangers" pilot. Both would do well by cutting out all the really
*AWFUL* scenes, an in ST:V's case, that would leave you with ~10 minutes
of film, the camping scenes.
> What makes Nemesis
> bad is that it had a lot of potential that it totally destroyed.
> It's like someone came up with a good idea, someone else wrote a good
> script, and then turned it over to someone who systematically tried
> to make the worst movie possible out of it.
Still, I can look at Nemesis and enjoy the good scenes while FF-ing
through the bad parts. In ST:V, there are too many bad scenes. ST:V
had one bad scene after another. Let's just say that the only way I
could stomach ST:V is to watch it like Anim8rFSK and some others watch
"CSI: Miami"....to laugh at how ridiculous it is.
Jim Gysin
Anim8rFSK sent the following on 12/19/2009 10:28 PM:
> In article <hgjmp3$s6f$2...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Jim Gysin <jimg...@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>> Anim8rFSK sent the following on 12/19/2009 12:28 PM:
>>> In article <ifednWnKdK59B7HW...@supernews.com>,
>>> "Mac Breck" <macthe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> A Watcher wrote:
>>>>> Jack Frost2: Revenge of the Mutant Killer Snowman
>>>>>
>>>>> I was surfing the channels looking for something to watch. The
>>>>> Chiller channel has this gem on right now.
>>>> Star Trek V
>>> Nonsense. Star Trek V is better than any of the TNG movies.
>> Now that's just crazy talk.
>
> It's better than Nemesis.
Agreed.
> It's better than Insurrection.
Agreed.
> It's better
> than Generations.
Now you're off the rails. :)
> So we're only arguing about First Contact.
Which was much better than V, IMO.
> In any
> event, it's not even close to last place, not even just among Trek films.
I can remember thinking at the time (during the press tour, marketing
dog'n'pony stuff, etc.), "No one seems to be very happy about the
results of this outing." They tried to spin it as a winner, but I got a
strong sense of a pig and lipstick. And then I saw the movie, and it
*was* a pig, for the most part. But I don't put all (or even most) of
the blame on Shatner.
Anim8rFSK
Michael Bowker <mi...@rawbw.com> wrote:
> Mark Nobles wrote:??> Michael Bowker <mi...@rawbw.com> wrote:??> ??>> m�dc�t
> wrote:??>>> x-no-archive: yes On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 19:18:37 -0800, A
> Watcher??>>> <stoc...@earthlink.net> wrote:??>>>??>>>> Jack Frost2: Revenge
> of the Mutant Killer Snowman??>>>>??>>>> I was surfing the channels looking
> for something to watch. The Chiller ??>>>> channel has this gem on right
> now.??>>> I take it you've never seen a SyFy original movie, then???>>>??>>
> Two words. Barbarian Queen.??> ??> Didn't that have the redeeming feature of
> plenty of gratuitous nudity? ??> ??> I nominate "Stargate" with Kurt Russell
> as Jack O'Neil (one L and no??> sense of humor)????It was so bad, the nudity
> didn't help.??
wow, that's more annoying that 'tiny font'
What nudity in Stargate?
Anim8rFSK
OM <om@all_trolls_must_DIE.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 21:28:30 -0700, Anim8rFSK <ANIM...@cox.net>
> wrote:
>
> >It's better than Nemesis. It's better than Insurrection. It's better
> >than Generations. So we're only arguing about First Contact. In any
> >event, it's not even close to last place, not even just among Trek films.
>
> ...And it's really closer in style and structure to an actuial TOS
> episode than any other movie prior to Trek '09 - T09, anyone?. It has
> an opening teaser, a closing act, and the movie can easily be broken
> down into individual acts. The reason the film is ranked so low can be
> divided between a knee-jerk reaction to the concept of Shatner
> directing, and Paranoidmount skimping on the special effects and
> screwing up the climax. In the case of the former, had Nimoy directed
> this film, and made the same picture, Trek fans would be praising it
> even if it were crap because of their prejudice towards Shatner. In
> the case of the latter, the 'Noids need to make up for this by
> releasing a special edition with all effects redone to modern
> standards. And that includes giving us the original climax with all
> the stone demons chasing Kirk.
Stock footage from "Galaxy Quest"
Michael Bowker
> Michael Bowker wrote:
>
> <snip>
>> I hesitate to defend ST V, but Nemesis is a BAD, BAD , BAD movie.
>
> Nemesis had some kickass CGI (e.g. the destruction of the Romulan Senate
> and the battle scenes.). Granted, all the Shinzon (sp?)/Picard stuff
> was CRAP.
>
>
>> Much worse than "ST goes campy, I mean camping".
>
> The camping was the GOOD part. :-) They should have edited ST:V down
> to a short, about good friends camping. If I had it on DVD-RAM, that's
> what I'd do. In that way, it's like the "Babylon 5 - The Legend of the
> Rangers" pilot. Both would do well by cutting out all the really
> *AWFUL* scenes, an in ST:V's case, that would leave you with ~10 minutes
> of film, the camping scenes.
>
>
>> What makes Nemesis
>> bad is that it had a lot of potential that it totally destroyed.
>> It's like someone came up with a good idea, someone else wrote a good
>> script, and then turned it over to someone who systematically tried
>> to make the worst movie possible out of it.
>
> Still, I can look at Nemesis and enjoy the good scenes while FF-ing
> through the bad parts. In ST:V, there are too many bad scenes. ST:V
> had one bad scene after another. Let's just say that the only way I
> could stomach ST:V is to watch it like Anim8rFSK and some others watch
> "CSI: Miami"....to laugh at how ridiculous it is.
>
I have exactly the opposite reaction, I can appreciate ST V for what it
was trying to do and I can't stand Nemesis, at all, not even a little
bit, makes my cringe just thinking about it.
Michael Bowker
We were referring to Barbarian Queen.
Anim8rFSK
"Mac Breck" <macthe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Didn't know about "Paranoidmount skimping on the special effects and
> screwing up the climax."
>
>
> > In
> > the case of the latter, the 'Noids need to make up for this by
> > releasing a special edition with all effects redone to modern
> > standards.
>
> It's not the effects; it's the story that they put up on the screen. A
> lot of it is _laughably_ _bad_ . Some of the scenes are positively
> cringeworthy. The movie is pure MST3K fodder. At least, "Star Trek:
> Nemesis" had more than 5 or 10 minutes of *good* scenes.
>
>
> > And that includes giving us the original climax with all
> > the stone demons chasing Kirk.
>
> Never heard of these stone demons of which you speak (shades of the
> stone monster in Galaxy Quest, only smaller and more of 'em?).
Paramount sabatouged V every step of the way. Sybok was supposed to be
played by Sean Connery, who even had input to the script. The magic
planet? Sha-ka-ree? Guess who named it after himself?
But Paramount kept not giving Connery a contract, and finally he signed
to do INDIANA JONES AND THE LAST CRUSADE instead, and Paramount said
"Bill, babycakes, if you can't get Sean Connery, you know who the next
logical choice is, right? Larry Luckinbill! They're virtually the same
guy! Did we do good or what??"
Then they forced the movie into production before it was ready to try to
beat a strike, and kept cutting his budget and shooting days, 'til he
ended up standing on a mountain with one lousy rock creature suit and
didn't get to shoot it.
Yes, exactly what you said about Galaxy Quest; that sequence was based
on the aborted ending of STV.
The main thing I'll blame The Shat for was getting hoodwinked by Bran
Ferren into thinking Ferren could pull off the SFX.
Jack Bohn
>Paramount sabatouged V every step of the way. Sybok was supposed to be
>played by Sean Connery, who even had input to the script. The magic
>planet? Sha-ka-ree? Guess who named it after himself?
>
>But Paramount kept not giving Connery a contract, and finally he signed
>to do INDIANA JONES AND THE LAST CRUSADE instead, and Paramount said
Last Crusade released May 24, how much was it still ruling the
box office by Final Frontier's June 9 release? Coincidenza?
>"Bill, babycakes, if you can't get Sean Connery, you know who the next
>logical choice is, right? Larry Luckinbill! They're virtually the same
>guy! Did we do good or what??"
Sudden weird idea that they suggest the Sha-ka-ree expedition be
lead by Shakira! Or, I guess back then, Chaka Khan.
--
-Jack
jimbairn
As for worst film , I watched the first fifteen minutes of Frank
Miller's THE SPIRIT. Dunno if I'll be watching any more...
JimB
Mac Breck
> In article <b_CdnVe_nfzi-LPW...@supernews.com>,
> "Mac Breck" <macthe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Didn't know about "Paranoidmount skimping on the special effects and
>> screwing up the climax."
>>
>>
>>> In
>>> the case of the latter, the 'Noids need to make up for this by
>>> releasing a special edition with all effects redone to modern
>>> standards.
>>
>> It's not the effects; it's the story that they put up on the screen.
>> A lot of it is _laughably_ _bad_ . Some of the scenes are positively
>> cringeworthy. The movie is pure MST3K fodder. At least, "Star Trek:
>> Nemesis" had more than 5 or 10 minutes of *good* scenes.
>>
>>
>>> And that includes giving us the original climax with all
>>> the stone demons chasing Kirk.
>>
>> Never heard of these stone demons of which you speak (shades of the
>> stone monster in Galaxy Quest, only smaller and more of 'em?).
>
> Paramount sabatouged V every step of the way. Sybok was supposed to
> be played by Sean Connery,
!!!! What?!?!?! Sean Connery actually wanted to be in a Trek movie?
Naah! No way!
> who even had input to the script. The
> magic planet? Sha-ka-ree? Guess who named it after himself?
>
> But Paramount kept not giving Connery a contract, and finally he
> signed to do INDIANA JONES AND THE LAST CRUSADE instead,
Well, that's one good thing. INDIANA JONES AND THE LAST CRUSADE is one
of my favorites. :D
> and
> Paramount said "Bill, babycakes, if you can't get Sean Connery, you
> know who the next logical choice is, right? Larry Luckinbill!
> They're virtually the same guy! Did we do good or what??"
>
> Then they forced the movie into production before it was ready to try
> to beat a strike, and kept cutting his budget and shooting days, 'til
> he ended up standing on a mountain with one lousy rock creature suit
> and didn't get to shoot it.
Sounds like a bunch of A-holes, much like WB is to B5. I swear, some
people (certain Paramount, Warner Brothers, TNT, FOX and Sci-Fi/Syfy
suits) are alive only because it's against the law to KILL them. Do
they get their rocks off by screwing with people and making a mess of
things, even when it's to the detriment of their own company?
> Yes, exactly what you said about Galaxy Quest; that sequence was based
> on the aborted ending of STV.
>
> The main thing I'll blame The Shat for was getting hoodwinked by Bran
> Ferren into thinking Ferren could pull off the SFX.
The only thing I remember about the SFX for ST-V was the blue
electricity, pseudo-God thing, that looked like it got ripped off from
Forbidden Planet. All they did is change the color from orange-red to
blue, and change the shape.
Michael Bowker
Really? Damn! I put that on my XMAS list.
Dimensional Traveler
> Anim8rFSK wrote:
>> Paramount sabatouged V every step of the way. Sybok was supposed to
>> be played by Sean Connery,
>
> !!!! What?!?!?! Sean Connery actually wanted to be in a Trek movie?
> Naah! No way!
>
>> who even had input to the script. The
>> magic planet? Sha-ka-ree? Guess who named it after himself?
>>
>> But Paramount kept not giving Connery a contract, and finally he
>> signed to do INDIANA JONES AND THE LAST CRUSADE instead,
>
> Well, that's one good thing. INDIANA JONES AND THE LAST CRUSADE is one
> of my favorites. :D
>
>> and
>> Paramount said "Bill, babycakes, if you can't get Sean Connery, you
>> know who the next logical choice is, right? Larry Luckinbill!
>> They're virtually the same guy! Did we do good or what??"
>>
>> Then they forced the movie into production before it was ready to try
>> to beat a strike, and kept cutting his budget and shooting days, 'til
>> he ended up standing on a mountain with one lousy rock creature suit
>> and didn't get to shoot it.
>
> Sounds like a bunch of A-holes, much like WB is to B5. I swear, some
> people (certain Paramount, Warner Brothers, TNT, FOX and Sci-Fi/Syfy
> suits) are alive only because it's against the law to KILL them. Do
> they get their rocks off by screwing with people and making a mess of
> things, even when it's to the detriment of their own company?
>
Their only power is to say "No" and take money away, they have no
authority to say "Yes" or increase budgets. So in order to feel that
they "have done something", they have to exercise the only power they have.
--
"Dude. They've gone fractal."
Jack Bohn
>Anim8rFSK wrote:
>
>>Paramount sabatouged V every step of the way. Sybok was supposed to be
>>played by Sean Connery, who even had input to the script. The magic
>>planet? Sha-ka-ree? Guess who named it after himself?
>>
>>"Bill, babycakes, if you can't get Sean Connery, you know who the next
>>logical choice is, right? Larry Luckinbill! They're virtually the same
>>guy! Did we do good or what??"
>
>Sudden weird idea that they suggest the Sha-ka-ree expedition be
>lead by Shakira! Or, I guess back then, Chaka Khan.
Chak Khan, Chaka Khan, Chaka Chaka Chaka
<Kirk steps up to the mike>
KHAAAAAAANNNN!!!!!
--
I gave you a days respite.
-Jack
Anim8rFSK
Michael Bowker <mi...@rawbw.com> wrote:
It's like "somebody finally made a movie with Dina Meyer that's
completely unwatchable"
--
Tiger Woods has just been named "Athlete of the Decade"
Michael Bowker
LOL That was Meyers? I knew that Romulin looked familiar. Bad movie.
The Translucent Amoebae
> Michael Bowker <mi...@rawbw.com> wrote:
> > m»dc»t wrote:
> > > x-no-archive: yes On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 19:18:37 -0800, A Watcher
>
>
>
> Didn't that have the redeeming feature of plenty of gratuitous nudity?
>
The StarGate movie was a different kind of film than the tv series...
In the movie, it was very clear that O'Neil was a seriously broken
soldier,
And in the TV series, that element of him was completely glossed over.
And in the early TV shows, He wasn't the goofball that he later
evolved into.
Mark Nobles
> On Dec 19, 2:01 am, Mark Nobles <cmn-nos...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > Michael Bowker <mi...@rawbw.com> wrote:
> > > mÔøΩdcÔøΩt wrote:
> > > > x-no-archive: yes On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 19:18:37 -0800, A Watcher
> > > > <stocks...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> > > >> Jack Frost2: Revenge of the Mutant Killer Snowman
> >
> > > >> I was surfing the channels looking for something to watch. The Chiller
> > > >> channel has this gem on right now.
> >
> > > > I take it you've never seen a SyFy original movie, then?
> >
> > > Two words. Barbarian Queen.
> >
> > Didn't that have the redeeming feature of plenty of gratuitous nudity?
> >
> > I nominate "Stargate" with Kurt Russell as Jack O'Neil (one L and no
> > sense of humor)
>
> The StarGate movie was a different kind of film than the tv series...
> In the movie, it was very clear that O'Neil was a seriously broken
> soldier,
> And in the TV series, that element of him was completely glossed over.
> And in the early TV shows, He wasn't the goofball that he later
> evolved into.
Absolutely. But there was one reference in the series, I think it was a
later season, where there was a single reference made to his son and
the tragedy.
And it is actually reasonable that he was put back together by getting
back to work, it wasn't just glossed over.
Anim8rFSK
Mark Nobles <cmn-n...@comcast.net> wrote:
> The Translucent Amoebae <transa...@seanet.com> wrote:
>
> > On Dec 19, 2:01 am, Mark Nobles <cmn-nos...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > > Michael Bowker <mi...@rawbw.com> wrote:
> > > > m�dc�t wrote:
> > > > > x-no-archive: yes On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 19:18:37 -0800, A Watcher
> > > > > <stocks...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > > >> Jack Frost2: Revenge of the Mutant Killer Snowman
> > >
> > > > >> I was surfing the channels looking for something to watch. The
> > > > >> Chiller
> > > > >> channel has this gem on right now.
> > >
> > > > > I take it you've never seen a SyFy original movie, then?
> > >
> > > > Two words. Barbarian Queen.
> > >
> > > Didn't that have the redeeming feature of plenty of gratuitous nudity?
> > >
> > > I nominate "Stargate" with Kurt Russell as Jack O'Neil (one L and no
> > > sense of humor)
> >
> > The StarGate movie was a different kind of film than the tv series...
> > In the movie, it was very clear that O'Neil was a seriously broken
> > soldier,
> > And in the TV series, that element of him was completely glossed over.
> > And in the early TV shows, He wasn't the goofball that he later
> > evolved into.
>
> Absolutely. But there was one reference in the series, I think it was a
> later season, where there was a single reference made to his son and
> the tragedy.
There are a couple. Some alien entity came back as Charlie, and we met
his ex? wife, Harley Jane Kozak, very early on. And then more than a
decade later, one of the reunion movies, Continuum, had Daniel try to
prove to Jack he knew him by telling him about Charlie killing himself
with Jack's gun, but it turned out Charlie was alive and well in this
universe, which made it all the more twisted that they were trying to
reset the timeline to one where Charlie was dead.
>
> And it is actually reasonable that he was put back together by getting
> back to work, it wasn't just glossed over.
--
krp
Oh I have a NEW candiate to replace both of my former nominees (Plan 9 from
Outer Space and Mars Needs Women.) I just managed to see "DISTRICT 9. That
crap is the world class winner for "Stinker of all time." The thing takes
stupidity to a nedw level. The script was obviously composed in a "special
education" class. I have seen world class BAD acting. This BOMB makes Plan
acting seem likke Academy Award performances. The film was done in South
Africa. My suggesting? GO BACK TO MINTING KUGERANDS!
Anim8rFSK
"Mac Breck" <macthe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Sounds like a bunch of A-holes, much like WB is to B5. I swear, some
> people (certain Paramount, Warner Brothers, TNT, FOX and Sci-Fi/Syfy
> suits) are alive only because it's against the law to KILL them.
One of the metric foreign artists tried to kill my boss at FOX in the
parking lot one night. He'd recruit these guys from the Phillipines or
wherever and tell them they'd be making, say, $26,000, but not bother to
tell them about income tax or witholdings. So the guy would move here,
rent a place, and open his first check for $500 and it would be ...
$300. Which meant he couldn't afford to eat. This guy went after boss
and was strangling him when they pulled him off. No one could explain
*why* they stopped him though.
They brought over a guy from Los Angeles who had never paid income taxes
with much the same result. He told them to take their employment
contract and what to do with it and packed up to move home, but we
warned him he was in the system now.
Something similar happened with a guy from Canada, and when he went to
quit they mysteriously lost his porfolio and all his papers and green
card, so he could flee the country, but he couldn't stay and work here.
--
Tiger Woods has just been named "Athlete of the Decade"
trag
> The Translucent Amoebae <transamoe...@seanet.com> wrote:
> > The StarGate movie was a different kind of film than the tv series...
> > In the movie, it was very clear that O'Neil was a seriously broken
> > soldier,
> > And in the TV series, that element of him was completely glossed over.
> > And in the early TV shows, He wasn't the goofball that he later
> > evolved into.
>
> Absolutely. But there was one reference in the series, I think it was a
> later season, where there was a single reference made to his son and
> the tragedy.
>
> And it is actually reasonable that he was put back together by getting
> back to work, it wasn't just glossed over.
Actually, there was an entire episode devoted to it. I think it was
in season 1, but might have been 2. The one where they find those
blue crystally things which are all blasted to pieces except one or
two. And wackiness ensues and we meet his (kinda' hot) ex-wife and
his son gets impersonated but we're led to believe in a good way.
trag
> "Mac Breck" <macthevor...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:ifednWnKdK59B7HW...@supernews.com...
>
> >A Watcher wrote:
> >> Jack Frost2: Revenge of the Mutant Killer Snowman
>
> >> I was surfing the channels looking for something to watch. The
> >> Chiller channel has this gem on right now.
>
> > Dr. T and the Women
> > Any Sci-Fi/Syfy Original with Olivier Gruner in it.
>
> The WORST: "MARS NEEDS WOMEN!"
Come, now. "Santa Clause Conquers the Martians" is much much worse.
David E. Powell
Didn't Harve Bennett write Mars Needs Women?
Anim8rFSK
<aaabb6b9-5e39-497a...@d20g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
trag <tr...@io.com> wrote:
Harley Jane Kozak was quite hot, although she was played down for that
episode. She's one of the few big loose ends SG1 left. Here she saw
all sorts of evidence of aliens (or at least major league wackiness) and
Jack's involvement, and we never heard how they explained it or what
they did with her; in fact, I don't think she was ever even mentioned
again. And she needed closure from Charlie's return at least as much as
Jack did!
About the only one I was more disappointed in when they vanished without
a mention was the just cured Sarah/Osiris, followed by Jack's clone.
Anim8rFSK
<e4118ec0-b54f-4658...@19g2000vbq.googlegroups.com>,
"David E. Powell" <David_Po...@msn.com> wrote:
> On Jan 5, 6:32�pm, trag <t...@io.com> wrote:
> > On Dec 19 2009, 3:46 am, "krp" <kr...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> > > "Mac Breck" <macthevor...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >
> > >news:ifednWnKdK59B7HWnZ2dnUVZ jqd...@supernews.com...
> >
> > > >A Watcher wrote:
> > > >> Jack Frost2: Revenge of the Mutant Killer Snowman
> >
> > > >> I was surfing the channels looking for something to watch. �The
> > > >> Chiller channel has this gem on right now.
> >
> > > > Star Trek V
> > > > Dr. T and the Women
> > > > Any Sci-Fi/Syfy Original with Olivier Gruner in it.
> >
> > > The WORST: � "MARS NEEDS WOMEN!"
> >
> > Come, now. � "Santa Clause Conquers the Martians" is much much worse.
>
> Didn't Harve Bennett write Mars Needs Women?
And did they write back?
The answer to your question is 'no' but take a look at the body of work
from the guy that *did* writer MNW
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0118041/
Mike Van Pelt
No, the worst ever (with the possible exception of "Manos: The
Hands of Fate", which I've never seen, and if might be worse,
I want to keep it that way) has to be "The Creeping Terror."
1) A budget that'd cause Terry Nation to say "You're daft. I
couldn't even make the trailer for that pittance."
2) A "monster" made from a 500 pound pile of carpet remnants
with tennis balls on the ends of Slinky springs for eyes.
It couldn't be moved quickly, so the only way it could
catch and eat its victims was if they fell on the ground and
screamed helplessly while it oh-so-slowly crept over them.
3) The invaders space ship was just a drainage culvert.
4) The crowning lump of offal on this fetid pile, they lost the
sound track completely. No dialog. The entire "film" is
carried by a guy they dragged in at the last minute from
his day job of narrating 1950's Drivers Education films.
Yes, 90 minutes or so of droning narration, "And John told
Mary that the monster had eaten the entire cheerleading
squad, and Mary said that was really awful..." while the
"actors" silently flapped their lips.
--
Mike Van Pelt "If they're going to talk about
mvp.at.calweb.com Camelot, then we get to talk about
KE6BVH The Lady in the Lake." - ?
Dimensional Traveler
thinking of a different clone?
--
"The Internet lied again!"
Anim8rFSK
Dimensional Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
That's the clone, at the end of the only episode he appeared or was
mentioned in. In an incredibly creepy moment, teen clone with adult
mind and memories was looking forward to hitting on 14 year old girls.
Ick.
And then, nothing, even in cases where they could have used a spare Jack.
--
As Adam West as Bruce Wayne as Batman said in "Smack in the Middle"
the second half of the series pilot when Jill St. John as Molly as
Robin as Molly fell into the Batmobile's atomic pile:
"What a way to go-go"
Dimensional Traveler
world outside SGC. They've got umpteen hundreds of thousands working on
research contracts, building F-302s and 304s, Area 51, who knows how
many military and contractors who've been off-world, elected officials
and their staff who know about SGC, etc. and yet the whole thing is "Top
Secret" and completely unknown by any of the public.
Mark Nobles
> It's like "somebody finally made a movie with Dina Meyer that's
> completely unwatchable"
You mean other than "Starship Troopers", outside those 3 seconds that
Syfy won't show?
David E. Powell
The Rodger Young sequence was pretty cool. So was the satire in it
(which Heinlein purists wouldn't like but...)
Anim8rFSK
<fc3ca244-fb68-481a...@p23g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,
"David E. Powell" <David_Po...@msn.com> wrote:
There's no satire in it; at least, no intentional satire. Verhoven
thought he was making a straightforward action/adventure film.
Dimensional Traveler
> In article
> <fc3ca244-fb68-481a...@p23g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,
> "David E. Powell" <David_Po...@msn.com> wrote:
>
>> On Jan 8, 6:11 pm, Mark Nobles <cmn-nos...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> Anim8rFSK <ANIM8R...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>> It's like "somebody finally made a movie with Dina Meyer that's
>>>> completely unwatchable"
>>> You mean other than "Starship Troopers", outside those 3 seconds that
>>> Syfy won't show?
>> The Rodger Young sequence was pretty cool. So was the satire in it
>> (which Heinlein purists wouldn't like but...)
>
> There's no satire in it; at least, no intentional satire. Verhoven
> thought he was making a straightforward action/adventure film.
>
Mark Nobles
> Anim8rFSK wrote:
> > "David E. Powell" <David_Po...@msn.com> wrote:
> >> On Jan 8, 6:11 pm, Mark Nobles <cmn-nos...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >>> Anim8rFSK <ANIM8R...@cox.net> wrote:
> >>>> It's like "somebody finally made a movie with Dina Meyer that's
> >>>> completely unwatchable"
> >>> You mean other than "Starship Troopers", outside those 3 seconds that
> >>> Syfy won't show?
> >> The Rodger Young sequence was pretty cool. So was the satire in it
> >> (which Heinlein purists wouldn't like but...)
> >
> > There's no satire in it; at least, no intentional satire. Verhoven
> > thought he was making a straightforward action/adventure film.
> >
> I thought he claimed to be making an anti-war/anti-facism movie.
So he not only didn't read the book, he didn't even know there ~is~ a
book?
David E. Powell
> In article
> <fc3ca244-fb68-481a-abca-53766d573...@p23g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,
> "David E. Powell" <David_Powell3...@msn.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jan 8, 6:11 pm, Mark Nobles <cmn-nos...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > > Anim8rFSK <ANIM8R...@cox.net> wrote:
> > > > It's like "somebody finally made a movie with Dina Meyer that's
> > > > completely unwatchable"
>
> > > You mean other than "Starship Troopers", outside those 3 seconds that
> > > Syfy won't show?
>
> > The Rodger Young sequence was pretty cool. So was the satire in it
> > (which Heinlein purists wouldn't like but...)
>
> There's no satire in it; at least, no intentional satire. Verhoven
> thought he was making a straightforward action/adventure film.
I caught a "RoboCop" media satire vibe from the TV ads in it, much
like RoboCop, and the end shows it itself is a propaganda film from
this future society.
Harold Groot
No, he knew there was a book. He made a point of saying that he
wasn't going to read it. If memory serves he said something along the
lines that he didn't want to be limited by the book, he was going to
make the movie he wanted based on the screenplay he was given rather
than getting involved with the book that the screenplay was supposed
to be based on.