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CW FALL 2013-2014 SCHEDULE
(New programs in UPPER CASE; NN=New Night)

MONDAY
8-9 PM � Hart Of Dixie (NN)
9-10 PM � Beauty And The Beast (NN)

TUESDAY
8-9 PM � THE ORIGINALS
9-10 PM � Supernatural (NN)

WEDNESDAY
8-9 PM � Arrow
9-10 PM � THE TOMORROW PEOPLE

THURSDAY
8-9 PM � The Vampire Diaries
9-10 PM � REIGN

FRIDAY
8-9 PM � The Carrie Diaries (NN)
9-10 PM � America�s Next Top Model

David

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2013-14 NEW SERIES DESCRIPTIONS

Drama

The Originals � Family is power. The Original Vampire family swore it
to each other a thousand years ago. They pledged to remain together,
always and forever. Now, centuries have passed and the bonds of family
are broken. Time, tragedy and hunger for power have torn the Original
Family apart. When Klaus Mikaelson, the original vampire-werewolf
hybrid, receives a mysterious tip that a plot is brewing against him
in the supernatural melting pot that is the French Quarter of New
Orleans, he returns to the city his family helped build. Klaus�
questions lead him to a reunion with his diabolical former prot�g�,
Marcel, a charismatic vampire who has total control over the human and
supernatural inhabitants of New Orleans. Determined to help his
brother find redemption, Elijah follows Klaus and soon learns that the
werewolf Hayley has also come to the French Quarter searching for
clues to her family history, and has fallen into the hands of a
powerful witch named Sophie. Tensions between the town�s supernatural
factions are nearing a breaking point as Marcel commands his devoted
followers and rules with absolute power. For Klaus, the thought of
answering to his powerful prot�g� is unthinkable, and he vows to
reclaim what was once his � the power, the city and his family. While
they wait to see if their sister Rebekah will leave Mystic Falls and
join them, Klaus and Elijah form an uneasy alliance with the witches
to ensure that New Orleans will be ruled by THE ORIGINALS once again.
The series stars Joseph Morgan (�The Vampire Diaries,� �Immortals�) as
Klaus, Daniel Gillies (�The Vampire Diaries,� �Saving Hope�) as
Elijah, Claire Holt (�The Vampire Diaries,� �Pretty Little Liars�) as
Rebekah, Phoebe Tonkin (�The Vampire Diaries,� �The Secret Circle�) as
Hayley, Charles Michael Davis (�Grey�s Anatomy,� �Switched at Birth�)
as Marcel, Daniella Pineda (�The Fitzgerald Family Christmas,�
�Homeland�) as Sophie, Leah Pipes (�The Deep End,� �Sorority Row�) as
Cami and Danielle Campbell (�Starstruck,� �Tyler Perry�s Madea�s
Witness Protection�) as Davina. THE ORIGINALS is from Bonanza
Productions Inc. in association with My So-Called Company, Alloy
Entertainment, Warner Bros. Television and CBS Television Studios.
Julie Plec (�The Vampire Diaries,� �Kyle XY,� �Wasteland�), Leslie
Morgenstein (�The Vampire Diaries,� �Gossip Girl�) and Gina Girolamo
(�The Lying Game�) are executive producers. Plec wrote the pilot
episode, which was directed by Chris Grismer (�The Vampire Diaries�).

Reign � Hidden between the lines of the history books is the story of
Mary Stuart, the young woman the world would come to know as Mary,
Queen of Scots. Queen of Scotland since she was six days old, the
teenage Mary is already a headstrong monarch - beautiful, passionate,
and poised at the very beginning of her tumultuous rise to power.
Arriving in France with four close friends as her ladies-in-waiting,
Mary has been sent to secure Scotland�s strategic alliance by
formalizing her arranged engagement to the French king�s dashing son,
Prince Francis. But the match isn�t signed and sealed, it depends more
on politics, religion and secret agendas than affairs of the heart.
Prince Francis is intrigued by the fiery Scot, but like most young
men, he resists the idea of settling down into marriage, especially
when he has a history with a lady of the court and his own point of
view on the wisdom of an alliance with Scotland. Still, an attraction
between Mary and Francis is ignited. Further complicating things is
Bash, Francis� roguish half-brother, who has a history of his own -
despite his illegitimate birth, Bash is his father�s favorite. And now
that Bash has caught Mary�s eye, a royal triangle may be forming.
While at French Court, fierce foes and dark forces conspire to
sabotage Mary�s marriage to Francis and even threaten her life, until
a mysterious shrouded guide becomes her ally. With danger and sexual
intrigue around every dark castle corner, Mary rallies her
ladies-in-waiting and steels herself, ready to rule the new land and
balance the demands of her country and her heart. The series stars
Adelaide Kane (�Teen Wolf�) as Mary, Toby Regbo (�One Day�) as Prince
Francis, Torrance Coombs (�The Tudors�) as Bash, Megan Follows (�Anne
of Green Gables�) as Queen Catherine, Alan Van Sprang (�The Tudors�)
as King Henry, Celina Sinden (newcomer) as Greer, Caitlin Stasey
(newcomer) as Kenna, Anna Popplewell (�The Chronicles of Narnia: The
Voyage of the Dawn Treader�) as Lola, and Jenessa Grant (�Cyberbully�)
as Aylee. REIGN is from CBS Television Studios and Warner Bros.
Television with executive producers Stephanie SenGupta (�Hawaii
Five-0�), Laurie McCarthy (�The Ghost Whisperer�), Frank Siracusa
(�Beauty And The Beast�) and Brad Silberling (�Moonlight Mile�). The
pilot was directed by Brad Silberling.

The Tomorrow People � They are the next evolutionary leap of mankind,
a generation of humans born with paranormal abilities � the Tomorrow
People. Stephen Jameson stands at the crossroads between the world we
know and the shifting world of the future. Up until a year ago,
Stephen was a �normal� teenager � until he began hearing voices and
teleporting in his sleep, never knowing where he might wake up. Now,
Stephen�s issues have gone far beyond the usual teenage angst, and he
is beginning to question his sanity. In desperation, Stephen decides
to listen to one of the voices in his head, and it leads him to his
first encounter with the Tomorrow People � John, Cara and Russell � a
genetically advanced race with the abilities of telekinesis,
teleportation and telepathic communication. The Tomorrow People are
being hunted down by a paramilitary group of scientists known as
Ultra. Led by Dr. Jedikiah Price, Ultra sees the Tomorrow People as a
very real existential threat from a rival species, and the outcast
group has been forced to hide out in an abandoned subway station just
beneath the surface of the human world. Trading in secrets, Jedikiah
offers Stephen the chance for a normal life with his family and best
friend, Astrid, if he will help in the struggle to isolate and
eradicate the Tomorrow People. On the other hand, Cara, John and
Russell offer Stephen a different type of family and a home where he
truly belongs. Unwilling to turn his back on humanity or the world of
the Tomorrow People, Stephen sets out on his own path � a journey that
could take him into the shadowy past to uncover the truth about his
father�s mysterious disappearance, or into an unknown future with THE
TOMORROW PEOPLE. The series stars Robbie Amell (�Revenge�) as Stephen,
Luke Mitchell (�H20: Just Add Water�) as John, Peyton List (�Mad Men�)
as Cara, Aaron Yoo (�Disturbia,� �Nick and Norah�s Infinite Playlist�)
as Russell, Mark Pellegrino (�Lost,� �Supernatural�) as Dr. Jedikiah
Price, and Madeleine Mantock (upcoming �All You Need is Kill�) as
Astrid. THE TOMORROW PEOPLE is from Warner Bros. Television and CBS
Television Studios with executive producers Greg Berlanti (�Arrow,�
�Green Lantern�), Julie Plec (�The Vampire Diaries,� �Kyle XY�), Phil
Klemmer (�Political Animals,� �Chuck�) and Danny Cannon (�Nikita,�
�CSI: NY�). The pilot was directed by Danny Cannon.

Midseason

Drama

The 100 � Ninety-seven years ago, nuclear Armageddon decimated planet
Earth, destroying civilization. The only survivors were the 400
inhabitants of 12 international space stations that were in orbit at
the time. Three generations have been born in space, the survivors now
number 4,000, and resources are running out on their dying �Ark� - the
12 stations now linked together and repurposed to keep the survivors
alive. Draconian measures including capital punishment and population
control are the order of the day, as the leaders of the Ark take
ruthless steps to ensure their future, including secretly exiling a
group of 100 juvenile prisoners to the Earth�s surface to test whether
it�s habitable. For the first time in nearly a century, humans have
returned to planet Earth. Among the 100 exiles are Clarke, the bright
teenage daughter of the Ark�s chief medical officer; Wells, son of the
Ark�s Chancellor; the daredevil Finn; and the brother/sister duo
Bellamy and Octavia, whose illegal sibling status has always led them
to flaunt the rules. Technologically blind to what�s happening on the
planet below them, the Ark�s leaders � Clarke�s widowed mother, Abby;
the Chancellor, Jaha; and his shadowy second in command, Kane � are
faced with difficult decisions about life, death and the continued
existence of the human race. For the 100 young people on Earth,
however, the alien planet they�ve never known is a mysterious realm
that can be magical one moment and lethal the next. With the survival
of the human race entirely in their hands, THE 100 must find a way to
transcend their differences, unite and forge a new path on a wildly
changed Earth that�s primitive, intense and teeming with the unknown.
The series stars Eliza Taylor (newcomer) as Clarke, Paige Turco
(�Person of Interest,� �Damages�) as Abby, Thomas McDonell
(�Suburgatory�) as Finn, Eli Goree (�Emily Owens, M.D.�) as Wells,
Marie Avgeropoulos (�50/50�) as Octavia, Bob Morley (newcomer) as
Bellamy, Kelly Hu (�X2: X-Men United,� �Arrow�) as Cece, Christopher
Larkin (�Squad 85�) as Monty, Devon Bostick (�Aim High�) as Jasper,
with Isaiah Washington (upcoming �Blue Caprice,� �Grey�s Anatomy�) as
Chancellor Jaha, and Henry Ian Cusick (�Lost,� �Scandal�) as Kane.
Based on the upcoming book series by Kass Morgan, THE 100 is from
Bonanza Productions Inc. in association with Alloy Entertainment,
Warner Bros. Television and CBS Television Studios with executive
producers Matthew Miller (�Human Target,� �Chuck�), Jason Rothenberg
(upcoming �Twilight Zone� feature), Bharat Nalluri (�Torchwood,�
�Emily Owens, M.D.�), Leslie Morgenstein (�The Vampire Diaries�) and
Gina Girolamo (�The Secret Circle�). The pilot was directed by Bharat
Nalluri.

Star-Crossed � When Emery was 6 years old, an alien spacecraft
crash-landed in her small town. Whether they came in peace or with
more sinister intentions didn�t matter: a fierce battle erupted as
humans fought for control over their new rivals, an alien species
called the Atrians. In the midst of the conflict, Roman, a 6-year-old
Atrian boy, found his way to a shed behind Emery�s house, where she
protected him from harm, bringing him food, comfort � and friendship.
In their brief time together, Emery and Roman forged a deep bond, but
the authorities wasted no time tracking Roman down and capturing him
in a violent confrontation. Emery has grown up believing that Roman
was killed that day. Ten years later, the Atrians have been acclimated
to life on Earth, but they are interned in a heavily-guarded camp
known as the Sector to keep them separate from humans. Now, for the
first time, a group of Atrian teens will enroll in a suburban human
high school, with the goal of testing the feasibility of human/alien
integration. The eyes of the nation and the whole world are fixed on
this historical social experiment, an endeavor fraught with suspicion
and fear. In the mayhem of the first day, Emery is amazed to learn
that Roman was not killed by the authorities and is, in fact, one of
the Atrian students. Their childhood bond is quickly rekindled � in a
school and a society that distrusts everything about the Atrians,
Emery and Roman have found each other again. However, their
relationship is threatened by the small-mindedness of their respective
communities and the political agendas of people in power. While the
world around them rages with anger and prejudice, their bond becomes
increasingly strong and increasingly dangerous. As an epic Romeo and
Juliet romance unfolds, a violent encounter between Roman�s father and
Emery�s father occurs in the Sector. Can Roman and Emery�s love � and
peace between the species � survive? The series stars Aimee Teegarden
(�Friday Night Lights�) as Emery, Matt Lanter (�90210�) as Roman, Grey
Damon (�The Secret Circle�) as Grayson, Natalie Hall (�Pretty Little
Liars�) as Taylor, Malese Jow (�The Vampire Diaries,� �Big Time Rush�)
as Julia, Titus Makin, Jr. (�Glee�) as Lukas, Chelsea Gilligan (�How I
Met Your Mother�) as Teri and Greg Finley (�The Secret Life of the
American Teenager�) as Drake. STAR-CROSSED is from Ole Productions,
Isla de Babel SL and 360 Powwow in association with CBS Television
Studios and Warner Bros. Television with executive producers Meredith
Averill (�The Good Wife,� �Life on Mars�), Josh Appelbaum (�Life on
Mars,� �Mission: Impossible � Ghost Protocol�), Bryan Furst
(�Daybreakers,� �Tough Trade�), Sean Furst (�Daybreakers,� �Tough
Trade�), Daniel Gutman (�Dance!,� �12 Corazones�), Andre Nemec (�Life
on Mars,� �Mission: Impossible � Ghost Protocol�), Scott Rosenberg
(�Life on Mars,� �October Road� and Richard Shephard (�Golden Boy,�
�Ringer�). The pilot was written by Meredith Averill and directed by
Gary Fleder (�Beauty And The Beast,� �Vegas,� �Runaway Jury�).

Unscripted

Famous In 12 � There is a family in the U.S. that has what it takes to
become famous � the question is: Can they pull it off in 12 weeks?
That�s the challenge in the new unscripted series FAMOUS IN 12, a
unique social experiment that tracks the lives of one determined
family as they move to the entertainment capital of the world � Los
Angeles � and seek fame in a 12-week time frame. Members of the family
will all have unique and varied talents, and they will each get a
series of challenges to create a public profile fit for a Kardashian.
The family will be guided by the TMZ machine, which will create a
series of opportunities for them. TMZ and Harvey Levin will help, but
it is up to the family to pull it off. When they succeed at their
challenges, they will appear on the TMZ TV show and TMZ.com, which
will raise their profile. Family members will exploit all forms of
social media to wage a campaign of fame. In addition to the
challenges, the family will circulate day to day � at the gym,
restaurants, bars, parties and other places where celebs hang and
opportunities call. Executive-produced by David Garfinkle (�The
Surreal Life�), Jay Renfroe (�The Surreal Life�) and Harvey Levin
(TMZ), FAMOUS IN 12 is from Renegade 83 and Harvey Levin Productions
in association with Warner Horizon Television and Telepictures.

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"David" <diml...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> CW FALL 2013-2014 SCHEDULE
> (New programs in UPPER CASE; NN=New Night)
>
> MONDAY
> 8-9 PM - Hart Of Dixie (NN)
> 9-10 PM - Beauty And The Beast (NN)

yikes. CW is taking two of their bigger shows and dumping them to Monday
where the network has struggled mightily.

> TUESDAY
> 8-9 PM - THE ORIGINALS
> 9-10 PM - Supernatural (NN)

Odd that CW didn't just do the easy thing and pair THE ORIGINALS with THE
VAMPIRE DIARIES.

> WEDNESDAY
> 8-9 PM - Arrow
> 9-10 PM - THE TOMORROW PEOPLE

Two shows with 'superheroes'. Seems like a god pairing. I'll at least
sample THE TOMORROW PEOPLE.

> THURSDAY
> 8-9 PM - The Vampire Diaries
> 9-10 PM - REIGN

A very odd pairing and an extremely inept move on the part of CW to slot
REIGN in against GREY'S ANATOMY and GLEE.

> FRIDAY
> 8-9 PM - The Carrie Diaries (NN)
> 9-10 PM - America's Next Top Model

A good spot for THE CARRIE DIARIES. Odd to see ANTM on the schedule as I
thought they were scaling it back to summer / mid-season filler even though
it still outperforms many of their scripted series.


Ian J. Ball

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In article <kfm9p8pkeomm0s1q2...@4ax.com>,
David <diml...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> CW FALL 2013-2014 SCHEDULE
> (New programs in UPPER CASE; NN=New Night)
>
> MONDAY
> 8-9 PM � Hart Of Dixie (NN)
> 9-10 PM � Beauty And The Beast (NN)

OK, looks like I'll be back to watching "Hart of Dixie" - after skipping
the entire second season! (that should be interesting!!) - as there's
nothing else on Mondays at 8pm.

(I'm probably stuck watching "Sleepy Hollow" on FOX at 9pm...)

> TUESDAY
> 8-9 PM � THE ORIGINALS
> 9-10 PM � Supernatural (NN)

Poor "Supernatural"! - getting paired with *that* stinker!! :(

On my end, I'll be skipping C-Wub this night.

> WEDNESDAY
> 8-9 PM � Arrow
> 9-10 PM � THE TOMORROW PEOPLE

Good line up - that's a solid block.

I'll pro'lly watch these two, and record "Revolution" and "Criminal
Minds" for later viewing...

> THURSDAY
> 8-9 PM � The Vampire Diaries
> 9-10 PM � REIGN

OK, I'm glad CBS moved "Person of Interest" out of Thursday nights at
9pm now - that'll give me a clear shot a "Reign".

8pm Thursdays are a problem... - looks like I may be stuck watching
"Wonderland" (and recording TBBT) after all.

> FRIDAY
> 8-9 PM � The Carrie Diaries (NN)
> 9-10 PM � America�s Next Top Model

Heh - TCD gets Friday. Shouldn't last long there... ;)

--
"Surf-crazed aliens... Of course." - Amber, "Alien Surf Girls",
Episode #1.1, "Wipeout".
Wait a minute... "Of course"?! "*Of course*"?!! Did I miss a step here??!!

Ian J. Ball

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On May 16, 6:15 am, "Obveeus" <Obve...@aol.com> wrote:
> "David" <dimla...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > CW FALL 2013-2014 SCHEDULE
> > (New programs in UPPER CASE; NN=New Night)
>
> > FRIDAY
> > 8-9 PM - The Carrie Diaries (NN)
> > 9-10 PM - America's Next Top Model
>
> A good spot for THE CARRIE DIARIES.

Heh - nice 'spin', Obv.

This is The C-Wub's worst timeslot, by far, and you know it.

Obveeus

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No, their worst timeslot has been Monday as it has most underperformed
compared to timeslot potential. The Friday 8pm hour has only been failing
since NIKITA got there.


Ian J. Ball

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May 16, 2013, 9:53:17 AM5/16/13
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Get off the pipe, bro!!!

sctvguy1

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May 16, 2013, 9:54:56 AM5/16/13
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On Thu, 16 May 2013 09:15:56 -0400, Obveeus wrote:

> "David" <diml...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> CW FALL 2013-2014 SCHEDULE (New programs in UPPER CASE; NN=New Night)
>>
>> MONDAY 8-9 PM - Hart Of Dixie (NN)
>> 9-10 PM - Beauty And The Beast (NN)
>
> yikes. CW is taking two of their bigger shows and dumping them to
> Monday where the network has struggled mightily.
>
>> TUESDAY 8-9 PM - THE ORIGINALS 9-10 PM - Supernatural (NN)
>
> Odd that CW didn't just do the easy thing and pair THE ORIGINALS with
> THE VAMPIRE DIARIES.

NCIS and NCIS:LA are going to kill these new shows! Why didn't they pair
up "The Originals" with TVD?
--
"What do you mean there's no movie?"

Obveeus

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Friday 8pm was one of CW's best performing timeslots until NIKITA got there.


Ian J. Ball

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On May 16, 6:54 am, sctvguy1 <sctvg...@invalid.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 16 May 2013 09:15:56 -0400, Obveeus wrote:
> > "David" <dimla...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> CW FALL 2013-2014 SCHEDULE (New programs in UPPER CASE; NN=New Night)
>
> >> TUESDAY 8-9 PM - THE ORIGINALS 9-10 PM - Supernatural (NN)
>
> > Odd that CW didn't just do the easy thing and pair THE ORIGINALS with
> > THE VAMPIRE DIARIES.
>
> NCIS and NCIS:LA are going to kill these new shows!

Not really - their audiences are *quite* different.

> Why didn't they pair up "The Originals" with TVD?

Because The C-Wub knew that that would make it too easy for everyone
to just avoid both (horrid) shows at once?! ;)

Obveeus

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"sctvguy1" <sctv...@invalid.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 16 May 2013 09:15:56 -0400, Obveeus wrote:
>
>> "David" <diml...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> CW FALL 2013-2014 SCHEDULE (New programs in UPPER CASE; NN=New Night)
>>>
>>> MONDAY 8-9 PM - Hart Of Dixie (NN)
>>> 9-10 PM - Beauty And The Beast (NN)
>>
>> yikes. CW is taking two of their bigger shows and dumping them to
>> Monday where the network has struggled mightily.
>>
>>> TUESDAY 8-9 PM - THE ORIGINALS 9-10 PM - Supernatural (NN)
>>
>> Odd that CW didn't just do the easy thing and pair THE ORIGINALS with
>> THE VAMPIRE DIARIES.
>
> NCIS and NCIS:LA are going to kill these new shows!

At this point, SUPERNATURAL is pretty impervious to
counter-programming...and despite some claims, the show has always been a
female draw more than a male one, unlike SMALLVILLE. on the other hand, THE
ORIGINALS is getting tasked here with leading the night against one of the
highest rated shows on television.

> Why didn't they pair up "The Originals" with TVD?

I totally agree. THE ORIGINALS would have a much better chance of retaining
audience at 9pm on Thursday and REIGN would have a much better chance
finding an audience if it was a female skewing counterprogram to the NCIS
stuff on Tuesday..


David

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I'm scratching my head at what you think "Carrie"s 0.4 rating will
translate into on Friday.

Ian J. Ball

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On May 16, 7:13 am, David <dimla...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Is "negative 'i'" still considered a "number"?...

Obveeus

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May 16, 2013, 10:33:29 AM5/16/13
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Probably a 0.2 rating...which would put it on par with NIKITA and get it
another, 'short season'. Of course, THE CARRIE DIARIES not only is getting
twice the demo ratings of NIKITA now, it also gets better ratings in the
female demo that CW still prizes most, so even when it drops to a 0.2 its
0.2 will be worth more than the 0.2 that NIKITA pulled in.


Adam H. Kerman

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May 16, 2013, 10:39:56 AM5/16/13
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Obveeus <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:

>Friday 8pm was one of CW's best performing timeslots until NIKITA got there.

Remind us what show used to air then? Was it Supernatural?

Adam H. Kerman

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May 16, 2013, 10:41:09 AM5/16/13
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I refuse to watch, but maybe it's really popular with clothing manufacturers
to buy national air time.

David

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On Thu, 16 May 2013 10:33:29 -0400, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:

>"David" <diml...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 16 May 2013 09:49:04 -0400, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>>"Ian J. Ball" <ijb...@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>On May 16, 6:15 am, "Obveeus" <Obve...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>> "David" <dimla...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > CW FALL 2013-2014 SCHEDULE
>>>>> > (New programs in UPPER CASE; NN=New Night)
>>>>>
>>>>> > FRIDAY
>>>>> > 8-9 PM - The Carrie Diaries (NN)
>>>>> > 9-10 PM - America's Next Top Model
>>>>>
>>>>> A good spot for THE CARRIE DIARIES.
>>>>
>>>>Heh - nice 'spin', Obv.
>>>>
>>>>This is The C-Wub's worst timeslot, by far, and you know it.
>>>
>>>No, their worst timeslot has been Monday as it has most underperformed
>>>compared to timeslot potential. The Friday 8pm hour has only been failing
>>>since NIKITA got there.
>>
>> I'm scratching my head at what you think "Carrie"s 0.4 rating will
>> translate into on Friday.
>
>Probably a 0.2 rating...which would put it on par with NIKITA and get it
>another, 'short season'.

So then what's the point of singling out "Nikita" over and over?

>Of course, THE CARRIE DIARIES not only is getting
>twice the demo ratings of NIKITA now, it also gets better ratings in the
>female demo that CW still prizes most, so even when it drops to a 0.2 its
>0.2 will be worth more than the 0.2 that NIKITA pulled in.

A snail race.

Obveeus

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"Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote in message
news:kn2r3s$o6j$3...@news.albasani.net...
SMALLVILLE.


Obveeus

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"David" <diml...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 16 May 2013 10:33:29 -0400, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>"David" <diml...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 16 May 2013 09:49:04 -0400, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Ian J. Ball" <ijb...@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>On May 16, 6:15 am, "Obveeus" <Obve...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>> "David" <dimla...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > CW FALL 2013-2014 SCHEDULE
>>>>>> > (New programs in UPPER CASE; NN=New Night)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > FRIDAY
>>>>>> > 8-9 PM - The Carrie Diaries (NN)
>>>>>> > 9-10 PM - America's Next Top Model
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A good spot for THE CARRIE DIARIES.
>>>>>
>>>>>Heh - nice 'spin', Obv.
>>>>>
>>>>>This is The C-Wub's worst timeslot, by far, and you know it.
>>>>
>>>>No, their worst timeslot has been Monday as it has most underperformed
>>>>compared to timeslot potential. The Friday 8pm hour has only been
>>>>failing
>>>>since NIKITA got there.
>>>
>>> I'm scratching my head at what you think "Carrie"s 0.4 rating will
>>> translate into on Friday.
>>
>>Probably a 0.2 rating...which would put it on par with NIKITA and get it
>>another, 'short season'.
>
> So then what's the point of singling out "Nikita" over and over?

What is the point of being continually defensive and trying to rewrite
history away from NIKITA being the lowest rated show on CW getting a
renewal? I know you like it, but why pretend it isn't a ratings dud?


Ian J. Ball

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On May 16, 7:50 am, "Obveeus" <Obve...@aol.com> wrote:
> "David" <dimla...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:d1s9p89d8p9fufsf1...@4ax.com...
> > On Thu, 16 May 2013 10:33:29 -0400, "Obveeus" <Obve...@aol.com> wrote:
> >>"David" <dimla...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>> On Thu, 16 May 2013 09:49:04 -0400, "Obveeus" <Obve...@aol.com> wrote:
> >>>>"Ian J. Ball" <ijb...@mac.com> wrote:
> >>>>>On May 16, 6:15 am, "Obveeus" <Obve...@aol.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> "David" <dimla...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>> > CW FALL 2013-2014 SCHEDULE
> >>>>>> > (New programs in UPPER CASE; NN=New Night)
>
> >>>>>> > FRIDAY
> >>>>>> > 8-9 PM - The Carrie Diaries (NN)
> >>>>>> > 9-10 PM - America's Next Top Model
>
> >>>>>> A good spot for THE CARRIE DIARIES.
>
> >>>>>Heh - nice 'spin', Obv.
>
> >>>>>This is The C-Wub's worst timeslot, by far, and you know it.
>
> >>>>No, their worst timeslot has been Monday as it has most underperformed
> >>>>compared to timeslot potential.  The Friday 8pm hour has only been
> >>>>failing
> >>>>since NIKITA got there.
>
> >>> I'm scratching my head at what you think "Carrie"s 0.4 rating will
> >>> translate into on Friday.
>
> >>Probably a 0.2 rating...which would put it on par with NIKITA and get it
> >>another, 'short season'.
>
> > So then what's the point of singling out "Nikita" over and over?
>
> What is the point of being continually defensive and trying to rewrite
> history away from NIKITA being the lowest rated show on CW getting a
> renewal?  I know you like it, but why pretend it isn't a ratings dud?

Ah, "projection".

He's not the one being defensive - *you* are.

David

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May 16, 2013, 10:59:15 AM5/16/13
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On May 16, 10:50 am, "Obveeus" <Obve...@aol.com> wrote:
> "David" <dimla...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:d1s9p89d8p9fufsf1...@4ax.com...

> > On Thu, 16 May 2013 10:33:29 -0400, "Obveeus" <Obve...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >>"David" <dimla...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> >>> I'm scratching my head at what you think "Carrie"s 0.4 rating will
> >>> translate into on Friday.
>
> >>Probably a 0.2 rating...which would put it on par with NIKITA and get it
> >>another, 'short season'.
>
> > So then what's the point of singling out "Nikita" over and over?
>
> What is the point of being continually defensive and trying to rewrite
> history away from NIKITA being the lowest rated show on CW getting a
> renewal?  I know you like it, but why pretend it isn't a ratings dud?

*I* like it? I haven't watched it since season 1 episode 3. To you I
keep appearing to be in the tank just because I'm capable of drawing
conclusions based on networks' observable actions: Which is that
ratings don't mean much to them.

Adam H. Kerman

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May 16, 2013, 11:03:03 AM5/16/13
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Obveeus <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
>"Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>>Obveeus <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:

>>>Friday 8pm was one of CW's best performing timeslots until NIKITA got
>>>there.

>>Remind us what show used to air then? Was it Supernatural?

>SMALLVILLE.

Oh, thanks. I was thinking Central Time, not Eastern Time. Supernatural
aired after.

Obveeus

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May 16, 2013, 11:12:40 AM5/16/13
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The network's observable actions: NIKITA was a poor ratings performer so it
got dumped to Friday. It's ratings, even on Friday, have gotten so low that
it was given a '6 episode final season as a courtesy to fans.' It seems
pretty clear that ratings DO matter, even if other things (like trying to
pad out episode counts for syndication) also matter. CW is operating just
like the other networks in this respect.


Ian J. Ball

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May 16, 2013, 11:22:48 AM5/16/13
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In article <kn2sq1$sb8$1...@dont-email.me>, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com>
wrote:

> The network's observable actions: NIKITA was a poor ratings performer so it
> got dumped to Friday. It's ratings, even on Friday, have gotten so low that
> it was given a '6 episode final season as a courtesy to fans.' It seems
> pretty clear that ratings DO matter, even if other things (like trying to
> pad out episode counts for syndication) also matter. CW is operating just
> like the other networks in this respect.

Ah, so it's a sign of "weakness" when "Nikita" gets put on Fridays, but
somehow it's a "good move" when "The Carrie Diaries" gets dumped there?

Thanks for clearing that up!!

Barry Margolin

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May 16, 2013, 11:28:46 AM5/16/13
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In article <kn2of4$v7q$1...@dont-email.me>,
Maybe because they're TOO similar. If they wanted to do that, they might
as well just make TVD 2 hours long, and enlarge the ensemble.

--
Barry Margolin
Arlington, MA

Obveeus

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May 16, 2013, 11:34:43 AM5/16/13
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"Ian J. Ball" <ijball-...@mac.invalid> wrote:
> In article <kn2sq1$sb8$1...@dont-email.me>, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
>> The network's observable actions: NIKITA was a poor ratings performer so
>> it
>> got dumped to Friday. It's ratings, even on Friday, have gotten so low
>> that
>> it was given a '6 episode final season as a courtesy to fans.' It seems
>> pretty clear that ratings DO matter, even if other things (like trying to
>> pad out episode counts for syndication) also matter. CW is operating
>> just
>> like the other networks in this respect.
>
> Ah, so it's a sign of "weakness" when "Nikita" gets put on Fridays, but
> somehow it's a "good move" when "The Carrie Diaries" gets dumped there?
>
> Thanks for clearing that up!!

What part of this confuses you? THE CARRIE DIARIES is the CW's next weakest
renewal (along with ANTM) so of course it is a good move to put it on
Friday.


David

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May 16, 2013, 11:57:14 AM5/16/13
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On May 16, 11:12 am, "Obveeus" <Obve...@aol.com> wrote:
> "David" <dimla...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On May 16, 10:50 am, "Obveeus" <Obve...@aol.com> wrote:
> >> What is the point of being continually defensive and trying to rewrite
> >> history away from NIKITA being the lowest rated show on CW getting a
> >> renewal? I know you like it, but why pretend it isn't a ratings dud?
>
> >*I* like it? I haven't watched it since season 1 episode 3. To you I
> >keep appearing to be in the tank just because I'm capable of drawing
> >conclusions based on networks' observable actions: Which is that
> >ratings don't mean much to them.
>
> The network's observable actions:  NIKITA was a poor ratings performer so it
> got dumped to Friday.  It's ratings, even on Friday, have gotten so low that
> it was given a '6 episode final season as a courtesy to fans.'

Even if "Nikita" only got renewed to have a conclusion that means it
was a bubble show for most of the season, otherwise it would've gotten
the conclusion this season.

And a 0.3 rating is probably not the dividing line between success or
failure, even by CW's standards. Further, their season average is
about 30% of 4th place ABC's, so they're very unlikely to be having
any success based on ratings. And since they're unlikely to ever come
up with a mainstream hit, all they're doing is tossing away more money
to keep CW going. Unless ratings don't mean much to them.

And a quick search shows that CW is there to create content for the
studios, and mainly makes money off foreign sales and the Netflix
deal.

http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/446733-How_The_CW_Stays_Undead.php

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/entertainmentnewsbuzz/2011/10/netflix-cw-deal-cbs-warner-bros.html

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/cw-mark-pedowitz-la-complex-netflix-vampire-diaries-318772

Obveeus

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May 16, 2013, 12:26:27 PM5/16/13
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"David" <diml...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:27ab5d8b-08d9-4bd9...@i3g2000yqf.googlegroups.com...
>On May 16, 11:12 am, "Obveeus" <Obve...@aol.com> wrote:
>> The network's observable actions: NIKITA was a poor ratings performer so
>> it
>> got dumped to Friday. It's ratings, even on Friday, have gotten so low
>> that
>> it was given a '6 episode final season as a courtesy to fans.'
>
>Even if "Nikita" only got renewed to have a conclusion that means it
>was a bubble show for most of the season, otherwise it would've gotten
>the conclusion this season.

You have watched enough TV to know that is not the case. Many shows that
are going down in ratings flames and have little/no chance at renewal end
with cliffhangers rather than resolutions. Moreover, NIKITA knew it was in
contention for renewal due to the attempt to pad the episodes count for
'syndication', so ratings failure wasn't the deciding factor. For ratings
'bubble shows', CW has THE CARRIE DIARIES and ANTM both performing better
than NIKITA and more properly described as 'bubble shows'.

>And a quick search shows that CW is there to create content for the
>studios,

Every network exists as an outlet for the studios.
Yes, they keep spinning reasons why lower rating are not the only thing that
matters. That in no way means that ratings do not matter.


David

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May 16, 2013, 1:46:15 PM5/16/13
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On May 16, 12:26 pm, "Obveeus" <Obve...@aol.com> wrote:
> "David" <dimla...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:27ab5d8b-08d9-4bd9...@i3g2000yqf.googlegroups.com...
>
> >On May 16, 11:12 am, "Obveeus" <Obve...@aol.com> wrote:
> >> The network's observable actions: NIKITA was a poor ratings performer so
> >> it
> >> got dumped to Friday. It's ratings, even on Friday, have gotten so low
> >> that
> >> it was given a '6 episode final season as a courtesy to fans.'
>
> >Even if "Nikita" only got renewed to have a conclusion that means it
> >was a bubble show for most of the season, otherwise it would've gotten
> >the conclusion this season.
>
> You have watched enough TV to know that is not the case.  Many shows that
> are going down in ratings flames and have little/no chance at renewal end
> with cliffhangers rather than resolutions.

If they can do it next year they could've done it this year, unless
"Nikita" was in serious contention for renewal until it was too late.

> Moreover, NIKITA knew it was in
> contention for renewal due to the attempt to pad the episodes count for
> 'syndication', so ratings failure wasn't the deciding factor.  For ratings
> 'bubble shows', CW has THE CARRIE DIARIES and ANTM both performing better
> than NIKITA and more properly described as 'bubble shows'.

The dividing line is certainly not somewhere between "Carrie"/"Hart of
Dixie"/"Top Model" and "Nikita." It can't even be said that CW is
trying to stem their losses while waiting for a turnaround, as it's
never going to happen for them.

suzeeq

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May 16, 2013, 1:55:00 PM5/16/13
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I don't watch LA so it'll be a nice filler between NCIS and POI for me.

anim8rFSK

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May 16, 2013, 2:00:20 PM5/16/13
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In article
<ijball-NO_SPAM-33D...@news.eternal-september.org>,
"Ian J. Ball" <ijball-...@mac.invalid> wrote:

> > WEDNESDAY
> > 8-9 PM � Arrow
> > 9-10 PM � THE TOMORROW PEOPLE
>
> Good line up - that's a solid block.
>
> I'll pro'lly watch these two, and record "Revolution" and "Criminal
> Minds" for later viewing...

Yeah, that's my entire CW viewing block. Revolution needs to be
recorded so you can go back and confirm the "I can't believe anyone was
stupid enough to say that" moments.

--
"Every time a Kardashian gets a TV show, an angel dies."

anim8rFSK

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May 16, 2013, 2:03:33 PM5/16/13
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In article <kn2re4$k62$1...@dont-email.me>, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com>
wrote:
Would we ever have believed that we'd actually *miss* Smallville?

Obveeus

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May 16, 2013, 2:04:43 PM5/16/13
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"David" <diml...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On May 16, 12:26 pm, "Obveeus" <Obve...@aol.com> wrote:
>> "David" <dimla...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >Even if "Nikita" only got renewed to have a conclusion that means it
>> >was a bubble show for most of the season, otherwise it would've gotten
>> >the conclusion this season.
>>
>> You have watched enough TV to know that is not the case. Many shows that
>> are going down in ratings flames and have little/no chance at renewal end
>> with cliffhangers rather than resolutions.
>
>If they can do it next year they could've done it this year, unless
>"Nikita" was in serious contention for renewal until it was too late.

Or, as with many shows, the writers/showrunners don't particularly care if
they provide an ending because they is always some random hope of furthering
the series on another net or a tv movie or a comic book or etc...

>> Moreover, NIKITA knew it was in
>> contention for renewal due to the attempt to pad the episodes count for
>> 'syndication', so ratings failure wasn't the deciding factor. For ratings
>> 'bubble shows', CW has THE CARRIE DIARIES and ANTM both performing better
>> than NIKITA and more properly described as 'bubble shows'.
>
>The dividing line is certainly not somewhere between "Carrie"/"Hart of
>Dixie"/"Top Model" and "Nikita."

Of course it is. The dividing line is always *somewhere* which means that
some shows lie above the threshold and some below it. A network isn't
likely to cancel or renew every single show they have, after all.

> It can't even be said that CW is
>trying to stem their losses while waiting for a turnaround, as it's
>never going to happen for them.

...except that you continue to ignore that
1. CW is more like a cable network in terms of costs.
2. the reality that there are tv shows/seasons/networks that lose money.

Regardless of whether you are losing money, you still want to lose LESS
money, if possible, so you still have a dividing line between shows worthy
of renewal and shows less worthy of renewal. You still have to weight those
shows against the potential of the new pilot series and decide which shows
are more likely to pull in viewers. You still have to take into account
corporate ownership forcing you to carry a losing show another season for
syndication purposes. You still have to take into account the costs for one
show vs. another (as shows almost always go up in cost as they get older).


Adam H. Kerman

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May 16, 2013, 2:09:11 PM5/16/13
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anim8rFSK <anim...@cox.net> wrote:
>"Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
>>"Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>>>Obveeus <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:

>>>>Friday 8pm was one of CW's best performing timeslots until NIKITA got
>>>>there.

>>>Remind us what show used to air then? Was it Supernatural?

>>SMALLVILLE.

>Would we ever have believed that we'd actually *miss* Smallville?

Speak for yourself. At leasn Ian can still get Chin on Longmire.

Obveeus

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"anim8rFSK" <anim...@cox.net> wrote:

> In article <kn2re4$k62$1...@dont-email.me>, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
>> "Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote in message
>> > Obveeus <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >>Friday 8pm was one of CW's best performing timeslots until NIKITA got
>> >>there.
>> >
>> > Remind us what show used to air then? Was it Supernatural?
>>
>> SMALLVILLE.
>
> Would we ever have believed that we'd actually *miss* Smallville?

I think CW would still be airing it if they had the choice. The problem was
in retaining the lead actor...and the HELLCATS result didn't really solve
that problem.


David

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May 16, 2013, 3:20:38 PM5/16/13
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On May 16, 2:04 pm, "Obveeus" <Obve...@aol.com> wrote:
> "David" <dimla...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> >If they can [end "Nikuta"] next year they could've done it this year, unless
> >"Nikita" was in serious contention for renewal until it was too late.
>
> Or, as with many shows, the writers/showrunners don't particularly care if
> they provide an ending because they is always some random hope of furthering
> the series on another net or a tv movie or a comic book or etc...

Of course the producers don't want to work towards an ending. But if
CW could ask them to do an ending next season they could've just as
easily asked them to back in February. And no show needs 6 hours to do
a proper ending.

> >The dividing line is certainly not somewhere between "Carrie"/"Hart of
> >Dixie"/"Top Model" and "Nikita."
>
> Of course it is.  The dividing line is always *somewhere* which means that
> some shows lie above the threshold and some below it.

Yes, a dividing line exists somewhere, just not below shows getting a
0.4-0.6 rating.

> > It can't even be said that CW is
> >trying to stem their losses while waiting for a turnaround, as it's
> >never going to happen for them.
>
> ...except that you continue to ignore that
> 1.  CW is more like a cable network in terms of costs.
> 2.  the reality that there are tv shows/seasons/networks that lose money.

For once I'm not ignoring either one of your usual premises. Costs
can't possibly explain how the network as a whole can survive with a
0.7 average with ratings playing any large part. And even buying that
TV shows lose money, it makes no sense for the CW since this is what
they're always going to be. You don't try to stem your losses if
you're always going to be losing money; you fold.

anim8rFSK

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May 16, 2013, 7:52:25 PM5/16/13
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In article <kn37lt$t64$1...@dont-email.me>, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com>
wrote:
Did Welling just make enough money to retire or what?

David

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May 16, 2013, 8:07:05 PM5/16/13
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On Thu, 16 May 2013 16:52:25 -0700, anim8rFSK <anim...@cox.net>
wrote:
>In article <kn37lt$t64$1...@dont-email.me>, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com>
>wrote:
>
>> "anim8rFSK" <anim...@cox.net> wrote:

>> > Would we ever have believed that we'd actually *miss* Smallville?
>>
>> I think CW would still be airing it if they had the choice. The problem was
>> in retaining the lead actor...and the HELLCATS result didn't really solve
>> that problem.
>
>Did Welling just make enough money to retire or what?

I just saw he was cast in a football movie
http://www.deadline.com/2013/05/tom-welling-draft-day-movie-casting/

And his production company is doing one of USA's pilots in the post
this morning.

anim8rFSK

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May 16, 2013, 10:53:11 PM5/16/13
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In article
<9229ad7e-08c6-40d8...@w8g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>,
Hmm. Doesn't seem like a lot to give up a series for though.

Hunter

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May 17, 2013, 5:44:03 AM5/17/13
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On Thu, 16 May 2013 09:07:33 -0400, David <diml...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>CW FALL 2013-2014 SCHEDULE
>(New programs in UPPER CASE; NN=New Night)
>
>MONDAY
>
>9-10 PM � Beauty And The Beast (NN)
----
Watching
>
>TUESDAY
>8-9 PM � THE ORIGINALS
-----
Watching
>
>WEDNESDAY
>8-9 PM � Arrow
>9-10 PM � THE TOMORROW PEOPLE
-----
Watching.
>
>THURSDAY
>8-9 PM � The Vampire Diaries
----
Watching.
>
>9-10 PM � REIGN
-----
At least sampling.
>
>FRIDAY
----
Nothing.

------>Hunter

"No man in the wrong can stand up against
a fellow that's in the right and keeps on acomin'."

-----William J. McDonald
Captain, Texas Rangers from 1891 to 1907

Stan Brown

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May 21, 2013, 10:01:10 PM5/21/13
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On Thu, 16 May 2013 09:07:33 -0400, David wrote:
> TUESDAY

> 9-10 PM ? Supernatural (NN)

Right, because 10 PM Tuesday isn't already a massive train wreck.



--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com
Shikata ga nai...

suzeeq

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May 21, 2013, 10:20:09 PM5/21/13
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Stan Brown wrote:
> On Thu, 16 May 2013 09:07:33 -0400, David wrote:
>> TUESDAY
>
>> 9-10 PM ? Supernatural (NN)
>
> Right, because 10 PM Tuesday isn't already a massive train wreck.

What about 9pm...?
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