"Stargate" TV Series NEWS
Glen Oliver
"Stargate" will hit the airwaves next year as a TV series.
The cable network Showtime has committed to 44 episodes (2 seasons).
Richard Dean Anderson ("MacGyver") will star.
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Glen
vixe...@aol.com
>From: Glen Oliver <oli...@bga.com>
>"Stargate" will hit the airwaves next year as a TV series.
>The cable network Showtime has committed to 44 episodes (2 seasons).
>Richard Dean Anderson ("MacGyver") will star.
Thanks fabulous!! Which character will he play? I hope they get James
Spader to
recreate his role. RDA could be the Kurt Russell character.
Thanks for the inside info.
MsVixen
Jonathan Blum
In article <19961106170...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
What I want to know is, is Jaye Davidson (Ra) looking for work? :-)
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From: Glen Oliver <oli...@bga.com>
>
> "Stargate" will hit the airwaves next year as a TV series.
> The cable network Showtime has committed to 44 episodes (2 seasons).
> Richard Dean Anderson ("MacGyver") will star.
>
In <19961106170...@ladder01.news.aol.com> vixe...@aol.com writes:
>
> Thanks fabulous!! Which character will he play? I hope they get James
> Spader to recreate his role. RDA could be the Kurt Russell character.
>
This is rather *extremely* unlikely, since Richard Dean Anderson comes
from the Henry Winkler School Of Social Responsibility. "MacGyver"
would never stoop to touching an icky nasty terrible ugly child-killing
*GUN*, and face it, Kurt Russell's character in the movie was hardly
opposed to the use of firearms.
Of course, with Richard Dean Anderson involved with the project, we'll
end up with the hero boxing everyone into submission with his bare hands
and inventing Magical Gadgets to solve problems, so he never has to engage
in a lethal fire-fight or use real-world science and engineering, which
would require the writers to actually *know* something.
Let's just say that I expect it to last about as long as "LEGEND,"
unless they hire some decent writers, and someone helps Anderson
grow up to the point where he realizes a gun is a *tool* for survival,
and not some kind of mechanical incarnation of Satan.
....And the writers they hire will need to be competent enough to
be able to distinguish between MacGyver Magic and real-world technology,
so they're not hand-waving fantasy solutions into existence a la
"MacGyver."
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Incidentally,
the sub-plot in the movie, Russell's character being all upset because
his son had been killed in a "firearms accident," was also unconscionable;
no field-grade military officer survives to that rank without learning safe
weapons handling, and more importantly, without teaching his KIDS safety
and proper behavior. There is NO SUCH THING as a "Firearms Accident."
There is only NEGLIGENCE, and direct culpability.
Emmerich and his Bozo Brigade are no more competent writers than the
"Politically-Correct" propagandists who used to write all the Fantasy
Stories for "MacGyver."
Ron Murillo
vixe...@aol.com wrote:
>
>
> Thanks fabulous!! Which character will he play? I hope they get James
> Spader to
> recreate his role. RDA could be the Kurt Russell character.
>
> MsVixen
I wonder if they will strand the characters on the planet of the film or
use the StarGate to visit different planets each week. I think staying
on one planet would get pretty boring.
--
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Matthew Milam
jb...@Glue.umd.edu (Jonathan Blum) wrote:
>In article <19961106170...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
> <vixe...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>From: Glen Oliver <oli...@bga.com>
>>>"Stargate" will hit the airwaves next year as a TV series.
>>>The cable network Showtime has committed to 44 episodes (2 seasons).
>>>Richard Dean Anderson ("MacGyver") will star.
>>Thanks fabulous!! Which character will he play? I hope they get James
>>Spader to
>>recreate his role. RDA could be the Kurt Russell character.
>What I want to know is, is Jaye Davidson (Ra) looking for work? :-)
>Regards,
>Jon Blum
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>chess... when it was just me playing solitaire!"
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[Quoting Oli...@bga.com]
> "Stargate" will hit the airwaves next year as a TV series.
> The cable network Showtime has committed to 44 episodes (2
> seasons). Richard Dean Anderson ("MacGyver") will star.
"Committed" is a good word... ;)
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>>>From: Glen Oliver <oli...@bga.com>
>>>"Stargate" will hit the airwaves next year as a TV series.
>>>The cable network Showtime has committed to 44 episodes (2 seasons).
>>>Richard Dean Anderson ("MacGyver") will star.
Heres what Dean Delvin said about when asked if he had
anything to do with the "Stargate" TV Series :
As for STARGATE..let me make this
clear .WE HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT SHOW!!!
WE DO NOT SUPPORT THAT SHOW!!!
We really wanted to do the movie sequels but now we'll
never get the chance. It's a real bummer!
Dean Devlin
John J. Kachmar
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User Support
JJKA...@aol.com wrote:
: >>>From: Glen Oliver <oli...@bga.com>
Tell Dean to go ahead with his sequels anyway. A concurrent TV series
didn't stop Highlander 3.
DarkStar
Glen Oliver <oli...@bga.com> wrote in article <328128...@bga.com>...
> "Stargate" will hit the airwaves next year as a TV series.
> The cable network Showtime has committed to 44 episodes (2 seasons).
> Richard Dean Anderson ("MacGyver") will star.
>
> ----
> Glen
>
OH NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'd rather watch Voyager!
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Invid fan
In article <328211...@uclink4.berkeley.edu>, Ron Murillo
<te...@uclink4.berkeley.edu> wrote:
> I wonder if they will strand the characters on the planet of the film or
> use the StarGate to visit different planets each week. I think staying
> on one planet would get pretty boring.
> --
> ?_
More important, do the original creators have any involvment? As I
understand it, they have spec scripts for two more movies, but don't have
the rights. Instead we're getting this.
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In <328211...@uclink4.berkeley.edu> Ron Murillo <te...@uclink4.berkeley.edu> writes:
>I wonder if they will strand the characters on the planet of the film or
>use the StarGate to visit different planets each week. I think staying
>on one planet would get pretty boring.
Yeah, that's a problem that plagues so many shows... :-)
- Jeff
Christopher K Bern
Ron Murillo (te...@uclink4.berkeley.edu) wrote:
:
:
: I wonder if they will strand the characters on the planet of the film or
: on one planet would get pretty boring.
: ?_
You're absolutely right. One planet only has a couple of stories to
tell, and that was probably all done in the movie. A series involving
one planet is extremely limited, and might have to concentrate on the...
characters! *horrified gasp*.
Remember a small planet, third from it's solar body, 3/4 covered in
water, that you happen to inhabit? Pretty boring, huh? Pretty hard to
find good stories for a TV series, huh?
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Glen Oliver
DarkStar wrote:
(re: "StarGate" TV series)
> OH NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> I'd rather watch Voyager!
And after you say *this*, we're supposed to take your opinion
seriously? ;-)
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Glen
James Gassaway
jb...@Glue.umd.edu (Jonathan Blum) writes:
>In article <19961106170...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
> <vixe...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>From: Glen Oliver <oli...@bga.com>
>>>"Stargate" will hit the airwaves next year as a TV series.
>>>The cable network Showtime has committed to 44 episodes (2 seasons).
>>>Richard Dean Anderson ("MacGyver") will star.
>>Thanks fabulous!! Which character will he play? I hope they get James
>>Spader to
>>recreate his role. RDA could be the Kurt Russell character.
Doesn't RDA have a problem about using guns in a role? Kinda hard to
play a Special Forces officer without using one. :)
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Ron Murillo <te...@uclink4.berkeley.edu> writes:
>I wonder if they will strand the characters on the planet of the film or
>use the StarGate to visit different planets each week. I think staying
>on one planet would get pretty boring.
(Stargate Rebellion and Stargate Retaliation). The James
Spaader character remains on the Stargate world, acting as
liaison between the Terrans and the ... forget-the-name-of
the-world-people. Kurt Russell's character returns to Earth,
but comes back later in the first book. The two main plot
points are the Terrans exploitation of the people on the
other planet as they try to understand and replicate the
technology of the Stargate gods, and the return of *more*
ancient Egyptian gods to ... hmmm, was it Abydan?
-- Jean
User Support
Ian J. Ball (IJB...@aol.com) wrote:
: In article <19961107202...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
: JJKA...@aol.com wrote:
:
: > Heres what Dean Delvin said about when asked if he had
: > anything to do with the "Stargate" TV Series :
: >
: > As for STARGATE..let me make this
: > clear .WE HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT SHOW!!!
: > WE DO NOT SUPPORT THAT SHOW!!!
: >
: > We really wanted to do the movie sequels but now we'll
: > never get the chance. It's a real bummer!
: >
: > Dean Devlin
: You know, that needn't be the case. "Stargate" will be on Showtime, a
: channel with a viewership of slightly over 3 or 4 people. ;>
:
: Most people will not even know the show is on. I think if Devlin wants to
: do a sequel, he could, and I doubt the Production Company would say no.
You could have said the same thing about the new Outer Limits or
Poltergeist: the Legacy. Both shows are also first-run on Showtime, and
end up in syndication a year later. I expect the same thing will happen
with Stargate: the Series.
jjka...@aol.com
In article <invid-ya02318000...@news.zippo.com>,
in...@localnet.com (Invid fan) writes:
>
>In article <328211...@uclink4.berkeley.edu>, Ron Murillo
><te...@uclink4.berkeley.edu> wrote:
>
>> I wonder if they will strand the characters on the planet of the film
or
>> use the StarGate to visit different planets each week. I think staying
>> on one planet would get pretty boring.
>> --
>> ?_
>
>More important, do the original creators have any involvment? As I
>understand it, they have spec scripts for two more movies, but don't have
>the rights. Instead we're getting this.
>
>
This is what DEAN DEVIN told me:
As for STARGATE ..let me make this
clear .WE HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT SHOW!!!
WE DO NOT SUPPORT THAT SHOW!!!
We really wanted to do the movie sequels but now we'll
never get the chance. It's a real bummer!
Dean Devlin
Ian J. Ball
> Heres what Dean Delvin said about when asked if he had
> anything to do with the "Stargate" TV Series :
>
> As for STARGATE..let me make this
> clear .WE HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT SHOW!!!
> WE DO NOT SUPPORT THAT SHOW!!!
>
> We really wanted to do the movie sequels but now we'll
> never get the chance. It's a real bummer!
>
> Dean Devlin
You know, that needn't be the case. "Stargate" will be on Showtime, a
channel with a viewership of slightly over 3 or 4 people. ;>
Most people will not even know the show is on. I think if Devlin wants to
do a sequel, he could, and I doubt the Production Company would say no.
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Ian J. Ball wrote:
>
> You know, that needn't be the case. "Stargate" will be on Showtime, a
> channel with a viewership of slightly over 3 or 4 people. ;>
>
> Most people will not even know the show is on. I think if Devlin wants to
> do a sequel, he could, and I doubt the Production Company would say no.
A more likely scenario is that Showtime will syndicate the show after
being run on Showtime just as they've done with the New Outer Limits and
Poltergeist The Legacy. So many people who don't have Showtime will
still be able to see it - eventually.
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|didn't stop Highlander 3.
It should have, though.
Man, SOMETHING should have.
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sequel
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jjka...@aol.com
In article <IJBall-0811960953120001@mac_rbk_3.chem.ucla.edu>,
IJB...@aol.com (Ian J. Ball) writes:
>
>You know, that needn't be the case. "Stargate" will be on Showtime, a
>channel with a viewership of slightly over 3 or 4 people. ;>
>
>Most people will not even know the show is on. I think if Devlin wants to
>do a sequel, he could, and I doubt the Production Company would say no.
But I have no dobt it will be on free TV in a year or so like they did
with THE OUTER LIMITS .
David Hines
In article <55r0pt$g...@news.csus.edu>,
Gharlane of Eddore <ghar...@ccshp1.ccs.csus.edu> wrote:
>From: Glen Oliver <oli...@bga.com>
>>
>> "Stargate" will hit the airwaves next year as a TV series.
>> The cable network Showtime has committed to 44 episodes (2 seasons).
>> Richard Dean Anderson ("MacGyver") will star.
>
>>
>> Thanks fabulous!! Which character will he play? I hope they get James
>> Spader to recreate his role. RDA could be the Kurt Russell character.
>
>from the Henry Winkler School Of Social Responsibility. "MacGyver"
>would never stoop to touching an icky nasty terrible ugly child-killing
>*GUN*, and face it, Kurt Russell's character in the movie was hardly
>opposed to the use of firearms.
Nope; it's confirmed, according to a news release I saw on a ClariNet
newsgroup. I agree, it *is* odd, but there you have it...
David Hines
dzh...@midway.uchicago.edu
Gharlane of Eddore
In <55uqm6$3...@crl11.crl.com> dtr...@crl.com (James Gassaway) writes:
>
> Doesn't RDA have a problem about using guns in a role? Kinda hard to
> play a Special Forces officer without using one. :)
>
Absolutely. I won't go into details, but the guy is completely psycho
on the subject, with no good reason. "Problem" doesn't begin to describe
the situation, he and his old producer, Winkler, are *nuts* on the subject;
Sarah Brady is more open-minded on the subject.
Gharlane of Eddore
From: Glen Oliver <oli...@bga.com>
>
> "Stargate" will hit the airwaves next year as a TV series.
> The cable network Showtime has committed to 44 episodes (2 seasons).
> Richard Dean Anderson ("MacGyver") will star.
JJKA...@aol.com wrote:
>
> Heres what Dean Delvin said about when asked if he had
> anything to do with the "Stargate" TV Series :
>
> > As for STARGATE..let me make this
> > clear .WE HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT SHOW!!!
> > WE DO NOT SUPPORT THAT SHOW!!!
> >
> > We really wanted to do the movie sequels but now we'll
> > never get the chance. It's a real bummer!
> >
> > Dean Devlin
>
In <55tqbt$8...@netaxs.com> r...@netaxs.com (User Support) writes:
>
> Tell Dean to go ahead with his sequels anyway.
> A concurrent TV series didn't stop Highlander 3.
No, point out to Dean that the first "HIGHLANDER" movie wasn't all
that great, the second "HIGHLANDER" movie should have been titled
"HIGHLANDER: THERE *SHOULD* ONLY HAVE BEEN ONE!" and the third
"HIGHLANDER" movie should have been subtitled "Silly Comedy Starring
a Blind Fat Man Trying To Pretend He's Physically Ept."
The *worst* episodes of the "HIGHLANDER" TV series are orders of
magnitude superior to the movies, in conception, production values,
acting, direction, camera work, editing, music, actors, and even
sets and locations. There's simply no comparison.
As for "STARGATE,"
you might also point out to Dean the incredible farrago of logical
discontinuities, stupid waste of ideas, and huge frittering of
budget on mass combat scenes that were way WAY too long, and
almost literally put people to sleep. "STARGATE" had some good
stuff in it, some good ideas, and in several scenes actually was
fairly clever and didn't insult the audience; but the rest of it
was sheerest garbage buried in a huge waste of budget. It was not
a good movie, not a well-made movie, and certainly demonstrated
no particular degree of imagination in terms of SF concept.
The writing was particularly lame-brained and incompetent, in
terms of real-universe science, logic, and knowledge of military
and social concept. (And we won't even *mention* the huge gaffes
concerning language.)
(Exploring strange worlds via an Elder Race's left-behind system of
FTL portals is a *VERY* old idea in SF, and frankly, that was the only
thing in the movie I hadn't seen in high-cost filmed SkiFfy before.
Heck, even Doctor Who did Aliens-As-Egyptian-Gods, and that was a
couple of decades back.....)
Bad Movie. Bad Movie. DUMB Movie. Painful to see that much money
going up in smoke, wasted on costumes and set design and extras, when
they should have either hired a different scenarist, or gotten Dean
Devlin a consultant/technical advisor who could actually THINK.....
On the plus side, at least they didn't spend as much on it as "WATERWORLD,"
and it *was* ever so slightly better than the Costner Bomb.
Gharlane of Eddore
From: Glen Oliver <oli...@bga.com>
>
> "Stargate" will hit the airwaves next year as a TV series.
> The cable network Showtime has committed to 44 episodes (2 seasons).
> Richard Dean Anderson ("MacGyver") will star.
>
In <19961106170...@ladder01.news.aol.com> vixe...@aol.com writes:
>
> Thanks fabulous!! Which character will he play? I hope they get James
> Spader to recreate his role. RDA could be the Kurt Russell character.
>
In <55r0pt$g...@news.csus.edu>,
Gharlane of Eddore <ghar...@ccshp1.ccs.csus.edu> wrote:
>
> This is rather *extremely* unlikely, since Richard Dean Anderson comes
> from the Henry Winkler School Of Social Responsibility. "MacGyver"
> would never stoop to touching an icky nasty terrible ugly child-killing
> *GUN*, and face it, Kurt Russell's character in the movie was hardly
> opposed to the use of firearms.
>
In <E0LF8...@midway.uchicago.edu>
dzh...@midway.uchicago.edu (David Hines) writes:
>
> Nope; it's confirmed, according to a news release I saw on a ClariNet
> newsgroup. I agree, it *is* odd, but there you have it...
>
Do you mean "confirmed" as in, Anderson is confirmed as employed, or
confirmed as he's playing the Russell character? We're pretty sure he's
IN the show, but unless Anderson's been mugged lately (and experienced
a concomitant re-evaluation of his right to be able to protect himself!)
I doubt very much that he'd be willing to consider a role that would
require him to handle and use firearms.
The James Spader part, I'd believe; or some other, MacGyver-esque
character, I'd believe.
A complete rewrite of the base format provided by the movie, I'd also
find acceptable. (Heck, I'd *prefer* it, but that's another story.)
Anderson is a reasonable actor, and between "MacGyver" and "LEGEND,"
he appears to have trimmed down considerably, and his physical acting
showed very good condition and flexibility. His speaking has also
improved hugely; he no longer sounds like a stoned-out Valley Boy
when he tries to talk. I frankly never liked a single episode of
"MacGyver," due to the incredibly obtuse and half-witted scripts,
and the sledge-hammer "subtlety" of the political and social messages
the star and producer felt called upon to inject into every episode.
I detest fantasy technology, particularly when it's used to provide
rabbit-out-of-the-hat plot solutions..... and "MacGyver" was worse than
ST:TNG in that regard.
If "STAR GATE" turns out to just be another re-cycle of the "MacGyver"
approach, I'll be watching it with about as much attention as the public
paid to "LEGEND."
jjka...@aol.com
>Ian J. Ball wrote:
>>> You know, that needn't be the case. "Stargate" will be on Showtime, a
>> channel with a viewership of slightly over 3 or 4 people. ;>
>> >> Most people will not even know the show is on. I think if Devlin
wants to
>> do a sequel, he could, and I doubt the Production Company would say no.
SHOWTIME STARGATE series and why he may not have
anything to do with STARGATE movie :
As for STARGATE ..let me make this
clear .WE HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT SHOW!!!
WE DO NOT SUPPORT THAT SHOW!!!
We really wanted to do the movie sequels but now we'll
never get the chance. It's a real bummer!
[ The below is in answer to why he isnt doing the sequels]
Unfortunately it's not anywhere near that simple. Besides the fact that
the
television series diminishes the "special" feeling of STARGATE, it also
dampens
the spirits of the actors who where in the film. They begin to loose
interest.
Not to mention the fact that we don't own StarGate anymore. It was bought
from
Le Studio Cannel Plus (the people who financed it) by MGM. And they have
their
own plans for STARGATE and so far, they haven't listened to us at all.
It's a
drag because there is enormous interest out there for the sequel. I get
e-mail
on it nearly every day. We've tried over and over again to buy STARGATE
back,
but to no avail.
You see, the series has killed the sequels. It's just a total drag!
-Dean Devlin
David Hines
In article <561kd1$o...@news.csus.edu>,[regarding Richard Dean Anderson in the _Stargate_ TV show]
> Do you mean "confirmed" as in, Anderson is confirmed as employed, or
> confirmed as he's playing the Russell character? We're pretty sure he's
> IN the show, but unless Anderson's been mugged lately (and experienced
> a concomitant re-evaluation of his right to be able to protect himself!)
> I doubt very much that he'd be willing to consider a role that would
> require him to handle and use firearms.
*shrug* See for yourself.
--------------------BEGIN CLARINET EXCERPT------------------------------
"Stargate SG-1" will be executive produced by Jonathon Glassner
and Brad Wright, who will continue as they have for the past three
years as producers of "The Outer Limits," which is executive produced
by the Trilogy Entertainment Group for MGM. Michael Greenburg,
Anderson's partner in Gekko Film Corp., will serve as "Stargate
SG-1"'s co-executive producer. MGM will produce "Stargate SG-1" in
association with Glassner/Wright Double Secret Productions and
Gekko.
"I have always seen the franchise potential in the original
`Stargate' movie and believe that the creative freedom offered by a
44-episode commitment will give Gekko and MGM tremendous scope to
explore the movement between different realms, realities and times,"
said Anderson. "While science fiction is a new genre for me,
`Stargate SG-1' is laced with action and adventure, which have become
my favorite elements as they have provided me the greatest latitude
to probe and broaden the characters I have portrayed."
Anderson will star as Jack O'Neil, the character originated by
Kurt Russell in the theatrical film. An intense, hard-as-nails soldier
with no ties to a tragic past, he must lead a team of highly trained
experts on a classified mission through an infinite corridor that slices
across universes. For when a 10,000-year-old mystery unlocks the
key to earth's hidden past, the truth about mankind's beginnings
just may lead to its untimely demise.
--------------------END CLARINET EXCERPT------------------------------
Of course, _The Outer Limits_ folks are working on it, so I don't know
if you'll consider this to be good news...
David Hines
dzh...@midway.uchicago.edu
Travers Naran
David Hines (dzh...@midway.uchicago.edu) pontificated:
>
> --------------------BEGIN CLARINET EXCERPT------------------------------
>
> "Stargate SG-1" will be executive produced by Jonathon Glassner
> and Brad Wright, who will continue as they have for the past three
> years as producers of "The Outer Limits," which is executive produced
> by the Trilogy Entertainment Group for MGM. Michael Greenburg,
> Anderson's partner in Gekko Film Corp., will serve as "Stargate
> SG-1"'s co-executive producer. MGM will produce "Stargate SG-1" in
> association with Glassner/Wright Double Secret Productions and
> Gekko.
> "I have always seen the franchise potential in the original
> `Stargate' movie and believe that the creative freedom offered by a
> 44-episode commitment will give Gekko and MGM tremendous scope to
> explore the movement between different realms, realities and times,"
> said Anderson. "While science fiction is a new genre for me,
> `Stargate SG-1' is laced with action and adventure, which have become
> my favorite elements as they have provided me the greatest latitude
> to probe and broaden the characters I have portrayed."
"... realms, realities and times ..."
Isn't this the same recipie that has given us the worst Skiffy of all
time?
"While science fiction is a new genre for me, 'Stargate SG-1' is laced
with action and adventure..."
Ah, how *wonderful*. At least he didn't claim that being new to
SF would make him more original or innovative than the others already
in the field.
> Anderson will star as Jack O'Neil, the character originated by
> Kurt Russell in the theatrical film. An intense, hard-as-nails soldier
> with no ties to a tragic past, he must lead a team of highly trained
> experts on a classified mission through an infinite corridor that slices
> across universes. For when a 10,000-year-old mystery unlocks the
> key to earth's hidden past, the truth about mankind's beginnings
> just may lead to its untimely demise.
Um, okay. The premise sounds alright except for one thing: isn't
this the same creative team that brought us _Poltergeist: The Legacy_?
They had an interesting premise too and then they made the pilot
based on it...
At any rate, it sounds as if they are going to alter the basic story
threads in order to do this series. It could work... ST:Voyager
could have worked as well..
James Gassaway
No details? You're spoiling my entire day! :) I just vaguely remember
hearing something about Mr. Anderson and guns when they announced ...
(what was the name of that show?!?)... blanking on it, but his recent,
quickly deceased western fantasy series. Is there a short version?
(Just to satisfy my curiosity.)
Matthew Milam
dzh...@midway.uchicago.edu (David Hines) wrote:
>In article <561kd1$o...@news.csus.edu>,
>Gharlane of Eddore <ghar...@ccshp1.ccs.csus.edu> wrote:
>[regarding Richard Dean Anderson in the _Stargate_ TV show]
>> Do you mean "confirmed" as in, Anderson is confirmed as employed, or
>> confirmed as he's playing the Russell character? We're pretty sure he's
>> IN the show, but unless Anderson's been mugged lately (and experienced
>> a concomitant re-evaluation of his right to be able to protect himself!)
>> I doubt very much that he'd be willing to consider a role that would
>> require him to handle and use firearms.
>*shrug* See for yourself.
>--------------------BEGIN CLARINET EXCERPT------------------------------
> "Stargate SG-1" will be executive produced by Jonathon Glassner
>and Brad Wright, who will continue as they have for the past three
>years as producers of "The Outer Limits," which is executive produced
>by the Trilogy Entertainment Group for MGM. Michael Greenburg,
>Anderson's partner in Gekko Film Corp., will serve as "Stargate
>SG-1"'s co-executive producer. MGM will produce "Stargate SG-1" in
>association with Glassner/Wright Double Secret Productions and
>Gekko.
> "I have always seen the franchise potential in the original
>`Stargate' movie and believe that the creative freedom offered by a
>44-episode commitment will give Gekko and MGM tremendous scope to
>explore the movement between different realms, realities and times,"
>said Anderson. "While science fiction is a new genre for me,
>`Stargate SG-1' is laced with action and adventure, which have become
>my favorite elements as they have provided me the greatest latitude
>to probe and broaden the characters I have portrayed."
> Anderson will star as Jack O'Neil, the character originated by
>Kurt Russell in the theatrical film. An intense, hard-as-nails soldier
>with no ties to a tragic past, he must lead a team of highly trained
>experts on a classified mission through an infinite corridor that slices
>across universes. For when a 10,000-year-old mystery unlocks the
>key to earth's hidden past, the truth about mankind's beginnings
>just may lead to its untimely demise.
>--------------------END CLARINET EXCERPT------------------------------
>Of course, _The Outer Limits_ folks are working on it, so I don't know
>if you'll consider this to be good news...
>David Hines
>dzh...@midway.uchicago.edu
Why????
David DeRubeis
David Hines wrote\
[SNIP]
clarinet excerpt:
> "I have always seen the franchise potential in the original
> `Stargate' movie and believe that the creative freedom offered by a
> 44-episode commitment will give Gekko and MGM tremendous scope to
> explore the movement between different realms, realities and times,"
> said Anderson. "While science fiction is a new genre for me,
> `Stargate SG-1' is laced with action and adventure, which have become
> my favorite elements as they have provided me the greatest latitude
> to probe and broaden the characters I have portrayed."
Two concepts stick out: "franchise potential" and "science fiction is a
new genre for me".
Be afraid. Be *very* afraid...
David
David DeRubeis
Matthew Milam wrote:
>
> dzh...@midway.uchicago.edu (David Hines) wrote:
>
>
> >Of course, _The Outer Limits_ folks are working on it, so I don't
> >know if you'll consider this to be good news...
>
>
If you need to ask...
David
Gharlane of Eddore
That's "DEVLIN," you nimnul.
In <19961110164...@ladder01.news.aol.com> jjka...@aol.com writes:
>
> Below are statements I got from DEAN DELVIN about the
That's "DEVLIN," you nimnul.
> SHOWTIME STARGATE series and why he may not have
> anything to do with STARGATE movie :
>
> > As for STARGATE ..let me make this clear
> > .WE HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT SHOW!!!
> > WE DO NOT SUPPORT THAT SHOW!!!
> >
> > We really wanted to do the movie sequels but now we'll
> > never get the chance. It's a real bummer!
>
> [ The below is in answer to why he isnt doing the sequels]
>
> > Unfortunately it's not anywhere near that simple.
> > Besides the fact that the television series diminishes the
> > "special" feeling of STARGATE, it also dampens the spirits
"Special?" Yeah, on a nearby schoolground, there's a separate
building set aside for the "special" students, the ones who
have trouble walking and talking. In this sense, the use of
the term "Special" is quite appropriate to "STARGATE."
> > of the actors who where in the film. They begin to loose
^^^^^ ^^^^^
were lose
> > interest.
Yeah, well, if you wrote them a script worth appearing in, you
might find them a bit more receptive.
> > Not to mention the fact that we don't own StarGate anymore.
"Any more" is two words in this context.
> > It was bought from Le Studio Cannel Plus (the people who
^^^^^^ (? Spelling ?)
> > financed it) by MGM. And they have their own plans for
> > STARGATE and so far, they haven't listened to us at all.
> > It's a drag because there is enormous interest out there
> > for the sequel. I get e-mail on it nearly every day.
> > We've tried over and over again to buy STARGATE back,
> > but to no avail.
> > You see, the series has killed the sequels.
> > It's just a total drag!
> > -Dean Devlin
>
I can't believe anyone would *bother* trying to buy back an
unoriginal botchery like "STARGATE." If you want to use the
concept and the title, just dig out any of the hundreds of
books that have used devices called "stargates," created by
Vanished Elder Races, *MANY* of which antedate the birthdates
of both Emmerich and Devlin, so there's no possibility of an
idea-priority suit..... Or had you forgotten that Andre
Norton wrote a BOOK called "STARGATE" FORTY FRAPPING YEARS AGO?
(Amusingly, that particular book dealt with a portal that opened
to alternate time tracks rather than other planets.)
All you have to do is buy the rights to any of the books that use
the device, and cook up a title that won't leave you vulnerable.
"THE PORTAL." "GATEWAY." "TUNNEL IN THE SKY." (buy the
rights from the Heinlein estate, if you can; would make a WONDERFUL
movie.)
You want another example, in TV/movie media?
Look up a "DOCTOR WHO" sequence called "THE PYRAMIDS OF MARS."
Funny about that...... a story about a left-over Space Alien from
an Elder Race, who'd been thought to be a god in old Egypt.....
who has left behind an artifact that allows fast transit to another
planet (Mars, in this case) ...where the heroes have to battle him.
Gee, it's kind of a wonder that the guys who funded "STARGATE"
were able to "sell" the property to someone else, when they didn't
bloody own it in the FIRST gronking place. Does MGM know they
bought unoriginal material they can't use without all kinds of
intellectual-property vulnerabilities?
The fact that Devlin is making noises about how now he can't do
sequels is just an indication that he has no background in the genre.
Heck, the folks at Universal were referring to the FTL transit gates
in the old "BUCK ROGERS" series as "star gates," a decade and a half
before Emmerich decided to do Lawrence Of Arabia with FX work.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Here's another one.... Murray Leinster's novel, "THE WAILING ASTEROID,"
which was done as a relatively unimpressive zero-budget Brit SF film
titled "THE TERRORNAUTS." (approx 1967) The script was done by John
Brunner. There's an interstellar star-gate transit platform in
that one, again, tens of thousands of years old, left by a previous
human race, and the heroes stumble through the millennia-old gate
to another world.
If Devlin and Emmerich seriously want to do a good SF, or even Sci-Fi,
movie, why not buy the rights to "THE WAILING ASTEROID"/"THE TERRORNAUTS,"
and do a *GOOD* remake? Lots of wonderful opportunity for swordplay,
cruising spaceships, monsters, great situations and characters, lotsa fun.
Emitting fluids and moaning over the "loss" of a relatively mundane
and unoriginal concept is the act of someone devoid of imagination
and ability.
Note that Harlan Ellison has refused to work with Roland Emmerich due
to Emmerich's inability to complete a sentence without using the word
"like" as a clausal conjunction; note that Dean Devlin is displaying
considerable ineptitude in his chosen profession; and then ask yourself
if having these two individuals restrained from making more high-budget
SkiFfyfilms with illogical plotlines would necessarily be a Bad Thing.
Seriously, if Devlin wants to make a movie using those concepts and
ideas, his best course is to option some material already in print,
and just DO it..... it's either that, or write something entirely
different, or shut up and stop complaining; it's not like he invented
anything for the LAST movie, or did anything very impressive.
DarkStar
Glen Oliver <oli...@bga.com> wrote in article <328358...@bga.com>...
> (re: "StarGate" TV series)
>
>
> > OH NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > I'd rather watch Voyager!
>
> And after you say *this*, we're supposed to take your opinion
> seriously? ;-)
Of course not! Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one.
Let's just say that I believe everyone is entitled to their INFORMED
opinion.
But if you want me to get started on Voyager............................
(No! They don't! Be quiet you stupid fool!)
__________________________________________________________
DS
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DarkStar
Matthew Milam <mcs...@interaccess.com> wrote in article
> >> "Stargate" will hit the airwaves next year as a TV series.
> >> The cable network Showtime has committed to 44 episodes (2 seasons).
> >> Richard Dean Anderson ("MacGyver") will star.
> >>
> >> ----
> >> Glen
> >>
> >OH NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >I'd rather watch Voyager!
> >____________________________________________________
> >DarkStar
> Why??? You hate RDA??
>
>
No. Point of fact, I think Anderson's a very competant actor. I very much
enjoyed Mac Guyver and Legend. I just hate seeing hime affixing his name to
a project that comes from such a weak film.
___________________________________________________________
DS
Matt McIrvin
In article <56aop5$m...@news.csus.edu>, ghar...@ccshp1.ccs.csus.edu
(Gharlane of Eddore) wrote:
> You want another example, in TV/movie media?
>
> Look up a "DOCTOR WHO" sequence called "THE PYRAMIDS OF MARS."
>
> Funny about that...... a story about a left-over Space Alien from
> an Elder Race, who'd been thought to be a god in old Egypt.....
> who has left behind an artifact that allows fast transit to another
> planet (Mars, in this case) ...where the heroes have to battle him.
When I saw the ads for "Stargate," they reminded me of a Saturday morning
cartoon I saw years ago, title forgotten. One week the bad guy was an alien
who had been worshipped in Egypt as Anubis, and lived in a pyramid that was
really a spaceship. I suspect that the direct inspiration for the cartoon
and for "Stargate" was probably Erich von Daniken, but of course the idea
predates von Daniken's silliness in science fiction.
(A lot of the schlock skiffy since the 1970s seems to arise from old,
stupid fictional ideas that the producers think are new and original
because they have been recently recycled *as alleged fact* by popular
pseudoscientists.)
--
Matt McIrvin <http://world.std.com/~mmcirvin/>
The Dragon
In article <56625c$h...@crl12.crl.com>, James Gassaway <dtr...@crl.com> wrote:
>ghar...@ccshp1.ccs.csus.edu (Gharlane of Eddore) writes:
>>In <55uqm6$3...@crl11.crl.com> dtr...@crl.com (James Gassaway) writes:
>>> Doesn't RDA have a problem about using guns in a role? Kinda hard to
>>> play a Special Forces officer without using one. :)
The episode of why MacGyver doesn't use guns may be more revealing of RDA
than I first thought. In this version of Stargate, Jack O'Neil will be
haunted by his son's death and swear off the evil metal for life.
>>Absolutely. I won't go into details, but the guy is completely psycho
>>on the subject, with no good reason. "Problem" doesn't begin to describe
>>the situation, he and his old producer, Winkler, are *nuts* on the subject;
>>Sarah Brady is more open-minded on the subject.
>No details? You're spoiling my entire day! :) I just vaguely remember
>hearing something about Mr. Anderson and guns when they announced ...
>(what was the name of that show?!?)... blanking on it, but his recent,
>quickly deceased western fantasy series. Is there a short version?
>(Just to satisfy my curiosity.)
The show I think was "Legend". Though I only saw the pilot and it was
ok, but not great. Though RDA was never a favourite of mine, though I
have a younger sister who drools over him *sigh*
--
This has been ... Toni Taia :"I have never listened to anyone who criticized
dra...@sans.vuw.ac.nz :my taste in space travel, sideshows or gorillas
Teddy Bear X-Wing locked on :When this occurs, I pack up my dinosaurs and
Sheridan's Starfury. KOed! :leave the room." - Ray Bradbury 1980. Age 60.
Gharlane of Eddore
In <55uqm6$3...@crl11.crl.com> dtr...@crl.com (James Gassaway) writes:
>
> Doesn't RDA have a problem about using guns in a role? Kinda hard to
> play a Special Forces officer without using one. :)
>
ghar...@ccshp1.ccs.csus.edu (Gharlane of Eddore) writes:
>
> Absolutely. I won't go into details, but the guy is completely
> psycho on the subject, with no good reason. "Problem" doesn't begin
> to describe the situation, he and his old producer, Winkler, are
> *nuts* on the subject; Sarah Brady is more open-minded on the subject.
>
In <56625c$h...@crl12.crl.com> dtr...@crl.com (James Gassaway) writes:
>
> No details? You're spoiling my entire day! :) I just vaguely remember
> hearing something about Mr. Anderson and guns when they announced ...
> (what was the name of that show?!?)... blanking on it, but his recent,
> quickly deceased western fantasy series. Is there a short version?
> (Just to satisfy my curiosity.)
>
Nope, no details, just comments; Henry Winkler don' like guns, violence,
or people getting shot, so when he makes a TV show, like "MacGyver," he
prefers to have the hero use gobbledy-gook magical pseudo-tech to handle
problems. And fists. Lots of fists and punching. And good guys can
get shot and die, because nasty bad guns are used by nasty bad evil people,
but the heroes can't use guns or shoot back.
Richard Dean Anderson, ditto. He's quite willing to play hockey and
fight with sticks, he's quite willing to have major fist-fights in
every show, depicting blows that would cripple or otherwise permanently
impair any healthy normal person, but nasty bad icky ugly evil guns,
no no.
Now, to be honest, I *liked* the scene in the pilot movie for "LEGEND"
where Anderson's hero talks the Evil Gunman into doing something else
for a living, i.e. writing dime novels about his past adventures, so
he could die of old age, rich and famous.... offering to introduce the
gunman to his literary agent was inspired, hilarious, and great fun.
But you can't base a suspense-adventure TV series on that kind of
pacifism and technophobia; it just doesn't play believeably.
The last one I remember trying something like this was Bill Bixby,
whose excellent adventure/suspense show, "THE MAGICIAN," was about
a non-violent do-gooder who used his brain to avoid even physical
confrontations where possible; but even Bixby's hero occasionally got
to the point where he punched someone in the gut, given sufficient
provocation. He just didn't have major fisticuffs and old-west-style
haymaker bashing bouts in every single episode, and for this reason,
I have a bit more respect for Bixby's attempt.
On "MacGyver...."
Winkler and Anderson gave us a show with stupid fantasy tech, and
habitual violent physical confrontations that were simply unbelieveable.
(..And I *still* wince over the limp writing, limping dialog, and wooden
performances turned in by rather poorly cast and directed actors.)
Anderson's acting has improved a lot in recent years, and he no longer
sounds like a California Valley Boy who's accidentally been left out
in the sun for a couple of decades too long (funny, considering that
he didn't *come* from California, if I remember right) .... and his
physical acting has also improved.
But he's got a long way to go before I'll be a fan, and ditto for
Mr. Winkler's other productions.
Be it noted: Henry Winkler and Richard Dean Anderson both have
reputations for being NICE people, in a town filled with crazies and
nasties; Winkler and Anderson are referred to as good people to work
with, people who don't have ego problems, and who take care of their
co-workers....... but from my viewpoint, they're overcompensating
for their peers to such an extent that they are engaging in just
as much adrenaline-jerking as the folks who made "MIAMI VICE,"
and the unceasing propaganda has caused Mr. Anderson to be referred
to both as "Feinstein's Poster Boy" and as "Sarah Brady's Hero."
Did anyone watch this week's two-parter suspense film? I came close
to watching it despite Anderson's presence, due to my fondness for
Daphne Zuniga, but she wasn't enough to make me sit through four
hours of a product listing RDA as the star.....
Was it any good, or did I make a Good Decision by avoiding it?
Matthew Milam
tna...@van-as-08b11.direct.ca (Travers Naran) wrote:
>David Hines (dzh...@midway.uchicago.edu) pontificated:
>>
>> --------------------BEGIN CLARINET EXCERPT------------------------------
>>
>> "Stargate SG-1" will be executive produced by Jonathon Glassner
>> and Brad Wright, who will continue as they have for the past three
>> years as producers of "The Outer Limits," which is executive produced
>> by the Trilogy Entertainment Group for MGM. Michael Greenburg,
>> Anderson's partner in Gekko Film Corp., will serve as "Stargate
>> SG-1"'s co-executive producer. MGM will produce "Stargate SG-1" in
>> association with Glassner/Wright Double Secret Productions and
>> Gekko.
>> "I have always seen the franchise potential in the original
>> `Stargate' movie and believe that the creative freedom offered by a
>> 44-episode commitment will give Gekko and MGM tremendous scope to
>> explore the movement between different realms, realities and times,"
>> said Anderson. "While science fiction is a new genre for me,
>> `Stargate SG-1' is laced with action and adventure, which have become
>> my favorite elements as they have provided me the greatest latitude
>> to probe and broaden the characters I have portrayed."
>"... realms, realities and times ..."
>Isn't this the same recipie that has given us the worst Skiffy of all
>time?
>"While science fiction is a new genre for me, 'Stargate SG-1' is laced
>with action and adventure..."
>Ah, how *wonderful*. At least he didn't claim that being new to
>SF would make him more original or innovative than the others already
>in the field.
>> Anderson will star as Jack O'Neil, the character originated by
>> Kurt Russell in the theatrical film. An intense, hard-as-nails soldier
>> with no ties to a tragic past, he must lead a team of highly trained
>> experts on a classified mission through an infinite corridor that slices
>> across universes. For when a 10,000-year-old mystery unlocks the
>> key to earth's hidden past, the truth about mankind's beginnings
>> just may lead to its untimely demise.
>Um, okay. The premise sounds alright except for one thing: isn't
>this the same creative team that brought us _Poltergeist: The Legacy_?
>They had an interesting premise too and then they made the pilot
>based on it...
>At any rate, it sounds as if they are going to alter the basic story
>threads in order to do this series. It could work... ST:Voyager
>could have worked as well..
I wish you guys would watch the show first before you judge it.
_______________________________________________________________
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David DeRubeis
Matthew Milam wrote:
>
>
> I wish you guys would watch the show first before you judge it.
>
When you get to be a certain age, you tend to notice when history is repeating
itself. When the people in charge of a Sci-Fi show say that they're newbies to SF,
but they think the genre has "action potential", this is a *very bad sign*. In
addition, they're the people who brought us the very dissapointing Outer Limits
retread.
Maybe I'll be pleasently surprised. After all, I thought B5 was just a Trek clone
DS9 rip-off when it started, and I was wrong. But then, I didn't know anything
about Straczynski at the time; if I had seen what he had posted on the net
concerning his plans for B5 before the series started, I would have known better.
None of the info I've seen on Stargate does anything to counter my intitial
scepticism.
I'll probably give it a look when it hits general syndication, but I'm not going to
get my hopes up. TV sci-fi has a much too dismal track record for that.
Now I *am* looking foward to David Gerrold's upcoming series Starwolf. The people
working there know SF, and there's a chance it could be something quite good if the
suits keep their gruby hands off the thing.
David
Kyle Haight
In article <56gm99$j...@news.csus.edu>,
>to watching it despite Anderson's presence, due to my fondness for
>Daphne Zuniga, but she wasn't enough to make me sit through four
>hours of a product listing RDA as the star.....
>
>Was it any good, or did I make a Good Decision by avoiding it?
I found it highly mediocre, although the very ending was amusing (if I
interpreted it correctly). The whole film was about the consequences
of there being this killer virus loose on this plane. Near the end,
it is indicated that there didn't seem to be such a virus -- the
original had a 48 hour incubation period, and after two days nobody
else on the plane had died. So far so good.
Then, at the very end, 6 months after everyone has left the plane and
gone on with their lives, we learn that the stewardess who was most
closely exposed to the virus has just died with similar symptoms.
I can only assume that this means that RDA's character screwed up
in his blithe assertions that there was no virus on the plane, and
consequently released a highly toxic virus with a 6 month incubation
period, resulting in the probable death of most of the people on
the planet. Ah well, at least they weren't killed by icky nasty guns.
Apart from that amusing ending, there was a lot to dislike. The
script was pocked with inanities, and the woman playing the "good guy"
CIA doctor talked like she had peanut butter in her mouth.
All in all, I probably could have found better things to do with the
lifespan.
--
Kyle Haight
kha...@netcom.com
"We are mice, posting to Usenet in the first stages of a complex plan
to Take Over The WORLD!"
Franklin Hummel
In article <56gm99$j...@news.csus.edu>,
Gharlane of Eddore <ghar...@ccshp1.ccs.csus.edu> wrote:
>
>Did anyone watch this week's two-parter suspense film? I came close
first night. But the several reviews I read of it said it was boring as
hell, which is especially death for what is suppose to be a suspense movie.
>to watching it despite Anderson's presence, due to my fondness for
>Daphne Zuniga, but she wasn't enough to make me sit through four
>hours of a product listing RDA as the star.....
The reason you watch Zuniga might be the same reason other folks
(female, in particular) watch Anderson: eye candy. (He's not to my
taste, though.)
>Was it any good, or did I make a Good Decision by avoiding it?
From the reviews, you made a Good Decision.
-- Franklin Hummel [ hum...@world.std.com ]
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Steve Patterson
In article <E0wvG...@world.std.com>, hum...@world.std.com (Franklin Hummel) says:
>
>In article <56gm99$j...@news.csus.edu>,
>Gharlane of Eddore <ghar...@ccshp1.ccs.csus.edu> wrote:
>>
>>Did anyone watch this week's two-parter suspense film? I came close
>
> I heard PANDORA'S CLOCK did well in the ratings, at least on the
>first night. But the several reviews I read of it said it was boring as
>hell, which is especially death for what is suppose to be a suspense movie.
... and while you're out to lunch, Frank, would you mind picking me up a pastrami
on rye? (Mustard, no mayo, with a dill on the side.)
Despite the fact that guns were only seen in one short segment (and, yes,
some sub-moronic screaming meemie which passes for an innocent in H'wood
was shot by 'em, though both sides of the issue were presented) and that
the "twist" ending was as obvious as a lighthouse an hour before the end,
"PANDORA'S CLOCK" actually made for decent viewing. Yes, the SFX gits
needed to have a look at the real world sometime (a Lear jet with a
weapons pay? Holding three AIM-7s? With tumbling wireframe status
indicators in the cockpit?), but much of the show actually showed some
thought. I was quite surprised to see that some writers out there have heard about
radar interference streaking (RDA's character was a pilot in Desert Storm,
and when his check-pilot asked about the interference on the 747's doppler
weather radar RDA figured out Someone Was After His Butt).
I'd have given it two stars out of four... not something to tell the kids
about, but not a waste of viewing time either.
------------------------------------------------------------
Steven J. Patterson spatt...@wwdc.com
W.O.R.L.D.'S....S..L..O..W..E..S..T....W...R...I...T...E...R
"Men may move mountains, but ideas move men."
-- M.N. Vorkosigan, per L.M. Bujold
Gharlane of Eddore
In <561kd1$o...@news.csus.edu>,
>
> Do you mean "confirmed" as in, Anderson is confirmed as employed,
> or confirmed as he's playing the Russell character? We're pretty
> sure he's IN the show, but unless Anderson's been mugged lately
> (and experienced a concomitant re-evaluation of his right to be able
> to protect himself!) I doubt very much that he'd be willing to
> consider a role that would require him to handle and use firearms.
>
In <E0oDI...@midway.uchicago.edu>
dzh...@midway.uchicago.edu (David Hines) writes:
>
> *shrug* See for yourself.
>
> --------------------BEGIN CLARINET EXCERPT------------------------------
>
> "Stargate SG-1" will be executive produced by Jonathon Glassner
> and Brad Wright, who will continue as they have for the past three
> years as producers of "The Outer Limits," which is executive produced
> by the Trilogy Entertainment Group for MGM. Michael Greenburg,
> Anderson's partner in Gekko Film Corp., will serve as "Stargate
> SG-1"'s co-executive producer. MGM will produce "Stargate SG-1" in
> association with Glassner/Wright Double Secret Productions and
> Gekko.
> "I have always seen the franchise potential in the original
Note the use of the term "franchise" in this context.
Draw your own conclusions.
> `Stargate' movie and believe that the creative freedom offered by a
> 44-episode commitment will give Gekko and MGM tremendous scope to
"Creative freedom" in the absence of creativity, talent, and genre
competence will result in the same thing it did in "EARTH 2" and
"SPACE: ABYSMAL & BORING" and "SinkQuest: Doesn't Survive Viewing".....
very expensive crummy kiddie-fantasy. Since the folks at
"OUTER LIMITS" have had the sense to occasionally buy real
stories to produce, the show hasn't been uniformly bad, but
I only watch re-run episodes my friends have recommended...
life is too short to suffer that much, and I stopped watching
N.O.L. habitually, halfway through the first year.
> explore the movement between different realms, realities and times,"
> said Anderson. "While science fiction is a new genre for me,
> `Stargate SG-1' is laced with action and adventure, which have
> become my favorite elements as they have provided me the greatest
> latitude to probe and broaden the characters I have portrayed."
> Anderson will star as Jack O'Neil, the character originated by
> Kurt Russell in the theatrical film. An intense, hard-as-nails soldier
> with no ties to a tragic past, he must lead a team of highly trained
Ah. This might work acceptably for Anderson; the movie character was
desolated by the fact that his son had been killed by stupidity and
ignorance ( the kid, raised by a field-grade military officer, had
somehow *never* been instructed and trained in safe behavior around
firearms, and said field-grade officer left unsecured, loaded guns
just lying around the house.....riiiiiiight. )
I find it eminently believeable that Richard Dean Anderson would
feel comfortable playing such an incompetent scumbag, insisting
that the fault in the matter was that of the hardware, and refusing,
a la MacGyver, to ever ever touch or otherwise employ a firearm.
So what's he gonna do, use a crossbow that shoots knockout darts?
Lots of fist-fights? (note the "laced with action and adventure"
above) Throw rocks? Lots of high-speed chases in cars, on skis,
in small aircraft, in hang gliders, maybe cross-country running with
baseball bats?
Let's just say I expect it to turn out to be slightly less good
than "LEGEND," but to survive at least the first season due to
the track record and reputation of the producers. ("Hey, these
guys *must* be good, they kept 'Outer Limits' on the air even
with rotten ratings....")
> experts on a classified mission through an infinite corridor that
> slices across universes. For when a 10,000-year-old mystery unlocks
> the key to earth's hidden past, the truth about mankind's beginnings
> just may lead to its untimely demise.
> --------------------END CLARINET EXCERPT------------------------------
>
> Of course, _The Outer Limits_ folks are working on it, so I don't know
> if you'll consider this to be good news...
>
I don't. I have yet to see a script on "THE OUTER LIMITS" that doesn't
make me grind my teeth. I kept my copy of the Steve Barnes show,
"A STITCH IN TIME," because it was a good enough story that most of it
actually survived being produced by a couple of mediocre horror-fantasy
producers..... but most of what I remember from the numerous times I've
steeled myself to watch the new "O.L.," is outrage, rising gorge, and
complete disgust for the way they manage to take a good idea and make
it incredibly stupid before the show is half over.
They've got everything they need to do *whatever* they want, be it
Fantasy, straight horror, classic SF, or even comedy-SkiFfy, and the
best they can come up with is a never-ending stream of crude demolitions
of what *could* have been high-impact, memorable, seminal, award-winning
shows... and yet, there's enough production and performance talent there
that they *do* occasionally earn some awards, despite their ham-handedly
bass-ackwards approach.
Problem is, they haven't yet learned to cope with the series format of
an anthology Spec-eFf show, and are producing material that's largely
dreck; and now they're branching out into something that *could* be
vaguely akin to legitimate SF, with all the glory, the joy, the
intense fan support they *could* achieve, given some even halfway
competent scriptwriters and genre awareness on the part of the
production staff.... and the first thing they've done is hire Mister
Message to act, and start talking about "action-adventure" and an
"infinite corridor that slices across universes."
Ask yourself if the folks who are making the "NEW OUTER LIMITS" are
really capable of trying to "...explore the movement between different
realms, realities and times," when they don't even know what SF and
competent storytelling are all about. "STARGATE" was about a
transit portal, not a a gateway to "different realities and times."
Am I the only one who's wondering if we should be expecting to see all
the scripts that were so bad that even "SLIDERS" wouldn't buy them?
After all, with "SLIDERS"' move to El Lay, there's probably a dearth
of opportunity for the skiffy-hacks in Vancouver, and they have to
have *somewhere* to market all that reject material they've been putting
in the trunk....
Maybe it's just me, but I'm not holding my breath in anticipation over
the quality of this show.
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jjka...@aol.com
In article <328C973F...@ligand.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu>, David DeRubeis
<deru...@ligand.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu> writes:
> In addition, they're the people who brought us the very dissapointing
Outer
>Limits retread.
I agree with you about that but then it seems we must be
wrong. I like B5 much better than T.O.L. but in all the ratings
I have seen T.O.L. beats B5 ass. WHY?
Gharlane of Eddore
In <328C973F...@ligand.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu>, David DeRubeis
<deru...@ligand.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu> writes:
>
> In addition, they're the people who brought us the very dissapointing
> Outer Limits retread.
>
In <19961116231...@ladder01.news.aol.com>
jjka...@aol.com writes:
>
> I agree with you about that but then it seems we must be
> wrong. I like B5 much better than T.O.L. but in all the ratings
> I have seen T.O.L. beats B5 ass. WHY?
>
This is because it takes an I.Q. of at least ninety to cope with the
storylines and concepts on "BABYLON 5," while "OUTER LIMITS" is aiming
for the folks who have to stop chewing their gum to follow commercials.
.....and since O.L. has more advertising support, shows up on the
high-priced Yuppie Cable Channels, and is a tradition, *AND* since
there are a lot more of the audience type that it's shooting for,
it *apparently* has more watchers.... but don't worry about it.
"BABYLON 5" has made its mark already, and will probably survive
in style.
smkmi...@aol.com
>Um, okay. The premise sounds alright except for one thing: isn't
>this the same creative team that brought us _Poltergeist: The Legacy_?
>They had an interesting premise too and then they made the pilot
>based on it...
Poltergeist: The Legacy: The Series, r e a l l y sucks cheese logs. Great
production value, good acting, TERRIBLE scripting. The same with
about 2/3 of The Outer Limits - 30% of them are really good, but the
rest are r e a l l y bad.
Martin Rheaume
> snip....
> I found it highly mediocre, although the very ending was amusing (if I
> interpreted it correctly). The whole film was about the consequences
> of there being this killer virus loose on this plane. Near the end,
> it is indicated that there didn't seem to be such a virus -- the
> original had a 48 hour incubation period, and after two days nobody
> else on the plane had died. So far so good.
>
> Then, at the very end, 6 months after everyone has left the plane and
> gone on with their lives, we learn that the stewardess who was most
> closely exposed to the virus has just died with similar symptoms.
>
> I can only assume that this means that RDA's character screwed up
> in his blithe assertions that there was no virus on the plane, and
> consequently released a highly toxic virus with a 6 month incubation
> period, resulting in the probable death of most of the people on
> the planet. Ah well, at least they weren't killed by icky nasty guns.
> --
> Kyle Haight
> kha...@netcom.com
>
My theory is that the virus, at first, was not an airbone virus, but was
using blood transmission. At the begining of the movie, it is easy to
see that the amricain professor, had blood on him from the escape
employee.....
Any though ?
Christopher Morton
On 7 Nov 1996 22:50:43 GMT, "DarkStar" <gwy...@holly.colostate.edu>
wrote:
>
>
>Glen Oliver <oli...@bga.com> wrote in article <328128...@bga.com>...
>> "Stargate" will hit the airwaves next year as a TV series.
>> The cable network Showtime has committed to 44 episodes (2 seasons).
>> Richard Dean Anderson ("MacGyver") will star.
>>
>> ----
>> Glen
>>
>OH NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>I'd rather watch Voyager!
God help me, I agree!
"Being raped is not enough to justify killing someone." - I Johnston (ia...@tattoo.ed.ac.uk)
Christopher Morton
On 6 Nov 1996 17:28:55 -0500, jb...@Glue.umd.edu (Jonathan Blum)
wrote:
>In article <19961106170...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
> <vixe...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>From: Glen Oliver <oli...@bga.com>
>>>"Stargate" will hit the airwaves next year as a TV series.
>>>The cable network Showtime has committed to 44 episodes (2 seasons).
>>>Richard Dean Anderson ("MacGyver") will star.
>
>>Thanks fabulous!! Which character will he play? I hope they get James
>>Spader to
>>recreate his role. RDA could be the Kurt Russell character.
>
>What I want to know is, is Jaye Davidson (Ra) looking for work? :-)
Too bad Divine's dead! : )
Hey, maybe Rue Paul.....
Christopher Morton
>"DarkStar" <gwy...@holly.colostate.edu> wrote:
>
>
>
>>Glen Oliver <oli...@bga.com> wrote in article <328128...@bga.com>...
>>> "Stargate" will hit the airwaves next year as a TV series.
>>> The cable network Showtime has committed to 44 episodes (2 seasons).
>>> Richard Dean Anderson ("MacGyver") will star.
>>>
>>> ----
>>> Glen
>>>
>>OH NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>I'd rather watch Voyager!
>>____________________________________________________
>>DarkStar
>Why??? You hate RDA??
It probably has something to do with his apparent misconception that
his work actually has some significance beyond advertising revenue.
Too bad he doesn't realize that it doesn't.
Christopher Morton
On Fri, 08 Nov 1996 07:58:45 -0800, Glen Oliver <oli...@bga.com>
wrote:
>DarkStar wrote:
>(re: "StarGate" TV series)
>
>
>> OH NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>> I'd rather watch Voyager!
>
>And after you say *this*, we're supposed to take your opinion
>seriously? ;-)
Yes you are and for one reason:
Roxanne Biggs Dawson : )
Christopher Morton
On 13 Nov 1996 02:29:15 GMT, "DarkStar" <gwy...@holly.colostate.edu>
wrote:
>
>
>Matthew Milam <mcs...@interaccess.com> wrote in article
>> >> "Stargate" will hit the airwaves next year as a TV series.
>> >> The cable network Showtime has committed to 44 episodes (2 seasons).
>> >> Richard Dean Anderson ("MacGyver") will star.
>> >>
>> >> ----
>> >> Glen
>> >>
>> >OH NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>> >I'd rather watch Voyager!
>> >____________________________________________________
>> >DarkStar
>> Why??? You hate RDA??
>>
>>
>No. Point of fact, I think Anderson's a very competant actor. I very much
>enjoyed Mac Guyver and Legend. I just hate seeing hime affixing his name to
>a project that comes from such a weak film.
I think that Anderson's a very adequate actor. Perhaps some day he'll
achieve the ability of a James Doohan or a Peter Jurasik. Until that
day, he's just a propagandist with an inflated perception of himself
and his insipid "message".