A Nitpicker's Review of Stargate Universe's: Air (Spoiler Warning)
Merrick Baldelli
"It will drive you derentis!" - Shrieks the Morning Wraith
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Heh, it's been some time since I've remotely sat down and
attempted to write a review for any show or series. The last time
that I had made this sort of attempt it was back in the beginning days
of Enterprise where we had at least 7 - 8 different reviewers all
taking a different (and sometimes difficult) perspective on an
otherwise sucktastic show. And once again, seeing that there's
another show being produced on Sci-Fi -- excuse me -- SyFryed that is
milking the Stargate Cash Cow; I've decided on taking up the mantle of
nitpicking an otherwise bland and much hyped show. Unlike the
Enterprise Reviews, I'm going to take a more casual approach and
simply bring up the glaring problems that I saw with the production of
this show.
Characters:
As it had been said before by someone else whom I completely
agree with -- they are on the whole -- unlikable. Gone from this
particularly show was a sense of military congruity and discipline
(even if it were cavalier to near completely gone by the end) that we
had experienced with SG-1 and Atlantis.
In it's place is the one-step-away from chaos we're all
familiar with from our mandatory reading of William Golding's "Lord of
the Flies". Unfortunately instead of drawing the necessary
conclusions of this being bad, we are instead faced with dealing with
the "entertainment value" of something we've already seen enough of:
"Lost" and shows trying to be like "Lost".
At first, having read some of the comments about Dr. Durza,
err, I mean Dr. Rush's character being something akin to Dr. Smith
from "Lost in Space" a character with a great evil streak the first
few episodes and then later completely emasculated to nothing more
than a shrill -- I see Carlyle being nothing more than an emo man that
I positively loathe and detest. He has no good lines, he acts
completely spineless (and not in the way that used to make Dr. Smith
completely camp), and him trying to exert authority is completely
unbelievable.
In fact, when Chloe later goes at Rush and skankslaps him down
to the floor for doing nothing from stopping her father -- Senator
Kinsey-lite -- from sacrificing himself to give the folk on Destiny
another day of life support to live... I actually found myself
cheering her on (to myself) and wishing she finish the job of treating
him like the spineless piece of shit that he is.
There's nothing about him that precludes the reputation that
they were trying to set up for him through the first half of the
episode (or two parter, depending on where you were), and his crying
in his room because he's not liked and he misses his dead girlfriend
only instills within me the want to smack him down 'til he grows a
spine, or leaves him as a grease stain against the wall.
Lou Diamond Phillips... Waste of talent (not that I think he
actually has much), and it was apparent that the only reason why he
was included was because his name is recognizable.
Probably for the same reason that Michael Shanks was included
in the credits, even though he never once acted in this movie --
everything we had seen of Shanks in this on video and was overlaid
onto stock footage was nothing more than sound bytes and footage from
other episodes within the SG-1 series.
The rest? Too young, too unknown, or were just window
dressing for people in the hopes of trying to cultivate a feeling of
being stranded. I'd feel more for them if they weren't so young,
inexperienced, or were thrown in for their names and hope that fans
would be able to recognize them.
Like Ming-Na. Know the name, could recognize here from a
couple of movies and shows along the way... But had as much presence
and need in this episode as the couch (which was never sat in) on the
Observation Deck.
Oh, and show of hands. How many people think Soldier Greer is
going to end up a clone of the shit that happened to Lt. Aiden Ford in
Stargate Atlantis?
*raises hand*
Technology:
Did I miss something along the way when I didn't hear a
blasted thing about who has with them the Ancient gene in order for
them to be able to operate the machinery on the Destiny? There didn't
seem to be any Ancient Technology on the Icarus Base (other than the
Stargate, but we know that can operate without the Ancient gene). I'm
sure I didn't -- but here we are... Alex Rogan -- err I mean Josh
Peck -- err I mean Eli Wallace happily operating any and all equipment
without so much as a hesitation in activation.
We have Dr. Durza -- err I mean Dr. Rush -- happily querying
multiple requests from an Ancient Ship and getting answers to the
various queries.
It had been established in both Stargate SG-1 and further in
Atlantis that in order to use the higher functions of the Ancient's
equipment, one definitely needed to have strands (or fragments
thereof) of the Ancient gene in order for the equipment to answer and
operate.
Destiny is after all an Ancient Ship, this would seem only
logical given not only the troubles they've had with the Goa'uld, but
also the Wraith and other races trying to steal/acquire Ancient
Technology.
Then comes the entire lack of common sense that I understand
of anything deep-space missioned. If this is supposed to be an
un-manned ship that's going to be sent deep into the known (and
unknown) universe for Ancients to come and visit and take advantage of
it being far enough out -- I would think that Destiny would have some
sort of automated system in place in order to maintain itself at peak
efficiency for the eventual Ancients that come to the ship. This
isn't something that the Ancients were going to say, "oh, let's go out
to Destiny next year, it'll be far enough out." No, this is a ship
that's going to be out for decades and perhaps even centuries before
the come out through this magical Stargate to man. This would mean
that automated systems and even various forms of robotics running the
place until such time as the Ancients would be ready to man it.
We had seen nothing of even robotics trying to maintain the
ship, as I'm sure there would be such things, including machine shops
of all sorts in order to produce, replace and repair defective and
parts breaking down within the ship. Hell, even if this ship were
running for millions of years (which I believe the thousands of years
comment is grossly underestimated)
Instead, we're left with the same feeling of desolation of
Atlantis except that where Atlantis was kept magically pristine
because of the city shields and being happily hidden in water on a
planet -- Destiny is a broken down scow in worse shape than the
engineering section of the Traveler Ship in Atlantis' "The Lost Tribe"
because it's in space and subject to surprisingly more objects hitting
it, along with bacteria that's absent in water.. but not in space..
(Yes, you're feeling it -- I couldn't suspend my disbelief at
all)
The Stargates I fear are going through yet another re-write as
to what they can and cannot do. Some of what happened in this episode
made sense, but the rest was a long shot in the worst way. But I'll
digress from nitpicking this, allowing these fuckwits to get enough
rope before they hang themselves with it.
Psychology:
Put bluntly -- whatever psychology that was going to be set up
within this episode was thrown out the airlock because the writers
were too freakin' busy trying to be like "Lost" and give the
impression of professionals turning into panicking Chicken Littles all
trying to be the next Napoleon of the group in order to create
needless strife as filler for this two-hour episode.
Common sense would've dictated that if there were issues with
the air supply -- the first thing one should do was not only try to
patch whatever holes, but also start looking for replacement filters.
Yes -- technology does break down -- even Ancient Technology... Which
means that they should have also been looking for replacement
scrubbers. This would've meant that Dr. Durza and Alex Rogan should
have been searching for areas that would serve as supply annexes in
order to see whether there were... Yes, you guessed it -- REPLACEMENT
SCRUBBERS.
No, instead we get a whole lot of chickens with their heads
cut off and milling about a small section of the ship that is having
air filtration problems. Are they thinking of moving to other parts
of the ship to maximize what air that is throughout the ship to
breathe? Of course not...
The ship is huge they said... Yet here they are in such a
small section where the air is polluted and thinning out. Again, no
common sense for maximizing breathable survival, and setting up the
contrived plot that they HAVE to go off-ship to find what they need to
survive...
.... ON A FUCKING PLANET THAT'S NOT EVEN INDUSTRIALIZED IN THE
NEXT EPISODE?!
*facepalm*
I digress... The issue here is that the writers are trying to
set up a pecking order, and are doing it in the hopes that ratings
will show them how to properly write it out.
Bottom Line:
It's hard for me to imagine that this show already has 20 in
the can ready for broadcast. If I were to make a snappy judgment
based on this 2-for-1 episode, I think SyFryed rushed it out without
much forethought; attempting to bank on the mindless fans that will
take shite than no shite at all.
It seems entirely too familiar to me that Bonnie Hammer(ed)
and her ass-licking hyenas that she has put in place at SyFryed are
repeating history that the two ass licking shit-throwing monkeys at
Paramount (Berman & Braga) did by pushing out aborted fetuses after
aborted fetuses in the name of Trek from VOY to ENT without putting
any thought into improving on the design, but instead simply recycling
the same tired ideas in an entirely un-original manner.
Even as I finish up writing this piece, I'm contemplating how
many more episodes of this stinking poo will I put myself through
before I say, "I'm not watching it, anymore." I'm wagering two more
episodes.
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- Captain Infinity
Dimensional Traveler
don't have a gene" bit. The reason for the genetic check in Atlantis
was the Wraith. It was initiated _after_ the war with the Wraith began
to prevent them from using Ancient equipment. It never was a factor in
the Milky Way because the Wraith weren't seen as a threat to it. So,
what are the odds that Destiny was built and launched before the Wraith
War went bad?
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Things I learned from Usenet #29: Do not chew the peach.
Veni, Vidi, Snarki.
Anim8rFSK
Dimensional Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
Well . . . the Antarctic base required the gene to work it. Yeah, I
know, I know, but I still can't give you 'never a factor in the Milky
Way'
And didn't that learning device that ate Jack's face choose him because
of the gene?
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Stargate Universe SGU: It puts the "U" in "SUCKS"!
It's the show 'Defiling Gravity' would be if DG had more regulars,
fewer abortions, worse writers, and no budget for lighting.
Dimensional Traveler
Anim8rFSK
Dimensional Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
I've lost track.
Dimensional Traveler
Pete B
says...
> > . ..
> >
> One thought that just occurred to me regarding the whole "have a gene,
> don't have a gene" bit. The reason for the genetic check in Atlantis
> was the Wraith. It was initiated _after_ the war with the Wraith began
> to prevent them from using Ancient equipment. It never was a factor in
> the Milky Way because the Wraith weren't seen as a threat to it. So,
> what are the odds that Destiny was built and launched before the Wraith
> War went bad?
Good retcon :)
Anim8rFSK
Dimensional Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
"Don't wank the Peach"
D. Stussy
news:ANIM8Rfsk-3BC8E...@news.dc1.easynews.com...
> [signature lines:]
> Stargate Universe SGU: It puts the "U" in "SUCKS"!
> It's the show 'Defiling Gravity' would be if DG had more regulars,
> fewer abortions, worse writers, and no budget for lighting.
Now, THAT was good.
I wasn't that impressed with the first show, but then again, we had 10
seasons of SG1 and 6? of Atlantis, so certain parts of the general story
are old. Let's see how well they do for episode 2.
Dimensional Traveler
Merrick Baldelli
And yet, it had been consistently shown that O'Neill was
always shown as the only one to operate any Ancient Technology as
demonstrated in "Lost City" and the weapons base and further shown off
for the spin off for Atlantis in the Eight Season when the wonderful
piece of wood -- Flanagan came along.
Further it had been demonstrated that Thor had genetically
modified O'Neill in such a way as to prevent others -- including the
Asgard's own Loki -- from trying to replicate the Ancient gene
(through cloning) that O'Neill now carried since his first encounter
with the Ancient Teaching Device.
It would certainly be common sense that *all* Ancient
Technology would be genetically keyed to their DNA given that they
also were originally involved in the accord involving the Asgard, Nox,
Farthings and Goa'uld prior to dealing with the Wraiths in the Pegasus
Galaxy... Particularly given the Goa'uld are opportunistic about
technology acquisition.
Interesting speculation -- but earlier episodes prior to the
crew of Farscape came along strongly indicate that this is not the
case.
Merrick Baldelli
Episode 3. The two hour premiere was actually episodes 1 & 2.
Anim8rFSK
Merrick Baldelli <mbal...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Further it had been demonstrated that Thor had genetically
> modified O'Neill in such a way as to prevent others -- including the
> Asgard's own Loki -- from trying to replicate the Ancient gene
> (through cloning) that O'Neill now carried since his first encounter
> with the Ancient Teaching Device.
I was never clear on this. The ancient devices don't work without the
gene, but O'Neill didn't have the gene to begin with, so the first
device not only worked without the gene, but GAVE HIM the gene? What
kind of system is that?
Does his kid clone have the gene or not? We all assumed he could work
the Atlantis defense chair at Area 51, but maybe not?
And LOKI can't replicate the gene, but the Earth docs came up with a
shot to give everybody?
--
JM Morrison
> In article <62krc5136gjah1gk6...@4ax.com>,
> Merrick Baldelli <mbal...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Further it had been demonstrated that Thor had genetically
>> modified O'Neill in such a way as to prevent others -- including the
>> Asgard's own Loki -- from trying to replicate the Ancient gene
>> (through cloning) that O'Neill now carried since his first encounter
>> with the Ancient Teaching Device.
>
> I was never clear on this. The ancient devices don't work without the
> gene, but O'Neill didn't have the gene to begin with, so the first
> device not only worked without the gene, but GAVE HIM the gene? What
> kind of system is that?
>
> Does his kid clone have the gene or not? We all assumed he could work
> the Atlantis defense chair at Area 51, but maybe not?
>
> And LOKI can't replicate the gene, but the Earth docs came up with a
> shot to give everybody?
>
Not quite. The Ancient gene is present but relatively rare in the
natural human population. O'Neill (and Shepard in SG:A) have double
copies of the gene naturally, inherited from mother and father. The
others in Atlantis, and probably quite a few in other areas of the
Stargate program, were given the gene through artificial human means.
Genetic therapy, viral cloning or whatever. This works better with some
people than others, so some people have greater abilities with Ancient
tech than others.
I don't recall one way or the other whether Destiny is coded with this
Ancient gene lock thingy. As others have mentioned, the ship supposedly
left before the Wraith war so maybe it was unnecessary.
The handwaving about not cloning O'Neill was a one shot storyline and
best forgotten entirely.
-jmm
D. Stussy
news:30irc512s27n4hpl7...@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 23:51:18 -0700, "D. Stussy"
> <spam+ne...@bde-arc.ampr.org> wrote:
>
> >"Anim8rFSK" <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote in message
> >news:ANIM8Rfsk-3BC8E...@news.dc1.easynews.com...
> >> [signature lines:]
> >> Stargate Universe SGU: It puts the "U" in "SUCKS"!
> >> It's the show 'Defiling Gravity' would be if DG had more regulars,
> >> fewer abortions, worse writers, and no budget for lighting.
> >
> >Now, THAT was good.
> >
> >I wasn't that impressed with the first show, but then again, we had 10
> >seasons of SG1 and 6? of Atlantis, so certain parts of the general story
> >are old. Let's see how well they do for episode 2.
>
> Episode 3. The two hour premiere was actually episodes 1 & 2.
Not according to my information. Both the premier and the October 9
episode are titled "Air." (Parts 1 and 2, not 1-3).
Anim8rFSK
JM Morrison <jmmn...@shaw.ca> wrote:
Tanj dammit, I don't want to forget the Jack clone! I want him to date
Cassie (who they also forgot about). One of the best things about SG1
was that they did remember, and I hate that JackJr and Cassie and
Sarah/Osiris just vanished when there were good points to mention them
again. :\
Anim8rFSK
"D. Stussy" <spam+ne...@bde-arc.ampr.org> wrote:
Part 3 is "Head"
--
D. Stussy
> In article <halhd8$s21$1...@snarked.org>,
> "D. Stussy" <spam+ne...@bde-arc.ampr.org> wrote:
> > "Merrick Baldelli" <mbal...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:30irc512s27n4hpl7...@4ax.com...
> > > On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 23:51:18 -0700, "D. Stussy"
> > > <spam+ne...@bde-arc.ampr.org> wrote:
> > > >"Anim8rFSK" <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote in message
> > > >news:ANIM8Rfsk-3BC8E...@news.dc1.easynews.com...
> > > >> [signature lines:]
> > > >> Stargate Universe SGU: It puts the "U" in "SUCKS"!
> > > >> It's the show 'Defiling Gravity' would be if DG had more regulars,
> > > >> fewer abortions, worse writers, and no budget for lighting.
> > > >
> > > >Now, THAT was good.
> > > >
> > > >I wasn't that impressed with the first show, but then again, we had
10
> > > >seasons of SG1 and 6? of Atlantis, so certain parts of the general
story
> > > >are old. Let's see how well they do for episode 2.
> > >
> > > Episode 3. The two hour premiere was actually episodes 1 & 2.
> >
> > Not according to my information. Both the premier and the October 9
> > episode are titled "Air." (Parts 1 and 2, not 1-3).
>
> Part 3 is "Head"
No such episode title. (As known on 9/1/09 - replays deleted):
10/02/09 1/2 Air Parts 1 and 2 [9 pm ET/PT - 2 hours]
10/09/09 3 Air Part 3
10/16/09 4 Darkness
10/23/09 5 Light
10/30/09 6 Water
TBA Earth
TBA Time
TBA Life
TBA Justice
TBA Space
TBA Divided
TBA Faith
TBA Human
TBA Lost
TBA Sabotage
TBA Pain
TBA Subversion
TBA Incursion Part 1
TBA Incursion Part 2
http://www.gateworld.net/universe/s1/index.shtml also identifies October 9
as "Air" (Part 3).
If you still disagree, please identify your source of information.
Tim Bruening
> Atlantis that in order to use the higher functions of the Ancient's
> equipment, one definitely needed to have strands (or fragments
> thereof) of the Ancient gene in order for the equipment to answer and
> operate.
> Destiny is after all an Ancient Ship, this would seem only
> logical given not only the troubles they've had with the Goa'uld, but
> also the Wraith and other races trying to steal/acquire Ancient
> Technology.
It could be that everyone who joins the Stargate program is injected with the
Ancient Gene(tm) as a matter of course.
The Destiny had been in a battle. This could have disabled the automatic
maintenance machinery.
> Common sense would've dictated that if there were issues with
> the air supply -- the first thing one should do was not only try to
> patch whatever holes, but also start looking for replacement filters.
> Yes -- technology does break down -- even Ancient Technology... Which
> means that they should have also been looking for replacement
> scrubbers. This would've meant that Dr. Durza and Alex Rogan should
> have been searching for areas that would serve as supply annexes in
> order to see whether there were... Yes, you guessed it -- REPLACEMENT
> SCRUBBERS.
> No, instead we get a whole lot of chickens with their heads
> cut off and milling about a small section of the ship that is having
> air filtration problems. Are they thinking of moving to other parts
> of the ship to maximize what air that is throughout the ship to
> breathe? Of course not...
> The ship is huge they said... Yet here they are in such a
> small section where the air is polluted and thinning out. Again, no
> common sense for maximizing breathable survival, and setting up the
> contrived plot that they HAVE to go off-ship to find what they need to
> survive...
>
I was assuming that the Destiny was so decrepted that the Destiny expedition
only had physical access to a small portion of the ship. Many doors were
closed because there was no air on the other side.
.... ON A FUCKING PLANET THAT'S NOT EVEN INDUSTRIALIZED IN THE
NEXT EPISODE?!
The planet has little plant lie, yet its low on CO2, implying that on the
planet is something that is removing the CO2 without benefit of plant life.
That something could be what was used on the Destiny to scrub the CO2.
Tim Bruening
"D. Stussy" wrote:
> "Anim8rFSK" <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:ANIM8Rfsk-B92F6...@news.dc1.easynews.com...
> > In article <halhd8$s21$1...@snarked.org>,
> > "D. Stussy" <spam+ne...@bde-arc.ampr.org> wrote:
> > > Not according to my information. Both the premier and the October 9
> > > episode are titled "Air." (Parts 1 and 2, not 1-3).
> >
> > Part 3 is "Head"
>
> No such episode title. (As known on 9/1/09 - replays deleted):
>
> 10/02/09 1/2 Air Parts 1 and 2 [9 pm ET/PT - 2 hours]
> 10/09/09 3 Air Part 3
> 10/16/09 4 Darkness
The light bulbs need changing?
>
> 10/23/09 5 Light
> 10/30/09 6 Water
The Destiny has a water shortage?
> TBA Earth
The crew visits Earth via the communications stones?
> TBA Time
The Destiny travels backwards in time to the Big Bang? It encounters a black
hole like in "A Matter of Time"?
> TBA Life
> TBA Justice
The trial of Greer?
> TBA Space
> TBA Divided
Mutiny on the Destiny?
> TBA Faith
> TBA Human
> TBA Lost
> TBA Sabotage
> TBA Pain
> TBA Subversion
> TBA Incursion Part 1
> TBA Incursion Part 2
Dr Rush helps the Lucian Alliance invade the Destiny?
spi...@freenet.co.uk
It could also simply be that as the ship was launched before their move to
pegasus, they didn't INCLUDE the ancient gene activation technology in their
equipment at the time. After all, stargates don't use it. The ancient
repositories don't use it. They probably added it as a security measure
after the wraith became a problem.
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| spi...@freenet.co.uk | |
| Andrew Halliwell BSc | "The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't |
| in | suck is probably the day they start making |
| Computer science | vacuum cleaners" - Ernst Jan Plugge |
Merrick Baldelli
<spam+ne...@bde-arc.ampr.org> wrote:
>"Merrick Baldelli" <mbal...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 23:51:18 -0700, "D. Stussy"
>> <spam+ne...@bde-arc.ampr.org> wrote:
>>
>> >"Anim8rFSK" <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote in message
>> >news:ANIM8Rfsk-3BC8E...@news.dc1.easynews.com...
>> >> [signature lines:]
>> >> Stargate Universe SGU: It puts the "U" in "SUCKS"!
>> >> It's the show 'Defiling Gravity' would be if DG had more regulars,
>> >> fewer abortions, worse writers, and no budget for lighting.
>> >
>> >Now, THAT was good.
>> >
>> >I wasn't that impressed with the first show, but then again, we had 10
>> >seasons of SG1 and 6? of Atlantis, so certain parts of the general story
>> >are old. Let's see how well they do for episode 2.
>>
>> Episode 3. The two hour premiere was actually episodes 1 & 2.
>
>Not according to my information. Both the premier and the October 9
>episode are titled "Air." (Parts 1 and 2, not 1-3).
I know that some people have the want to correct me because of
the need of the material -- but you did simply reiterate what I had
already said.
Thanks for playing.
Merrick Baldelli
wrote:
>In article <62krc5136gjah1gk6...@4ax.com>,
> Merrick Baldelli <mbal...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Further it had been demonstrated that Thor had genetically
>> modified O'Neill in such a way as to prevent others -- including the
>> Asgard's own Loki -- from trying to replicate the Ancient gene
>> (through cloning) that O'Neill now carried since his first encounter
>> with the Ancient Teaching Device.
>
>I was never clear on this. The ancient devices don't work without the
>gene, but O'Neill didn't have the gene to begin with, so the first
>device not only worked without the gene, but GAVE HIM the gene? What
>kind of system is that?
It's possible that it had done a little re-writing of his gene
in order to generate the ATA quality that is necessary for Ancient
Technology to work.
Or it had been retconned that he originally had the gene and
the SGC simply didn't have the necessary equipment to determine what
was needed. After all -- if you recall -- Dr. Frasier did give
sufficient benefit of doubt when she was trying to determine whether
young Jack O'Neill (played by Michael Welch) in "Fragile Balance" was
the real deal but shrunk. And further, Loki said that O'Neill did
have the necessary key as he was able to use and utilize the Ancient
knowledge.
>Does his kid clone have the gene or not? We all assumed he could work
>the Atlantis defense chair at Area 51, but maybe not?
No -- as explained by Thor to Loki -- O'Neill's gene had been
sufficiently altered to prevent him from being completely cloned for
his protection.
>And LOKI can't replicate the gene, but the Earth docs came up with a
>shot to give everybody?
This I think is just bad writing. But then again, the gene
work that the Asgard were doing were to save their race from
replicative fade/diminished return and not to reproduce Ancients from
Human stock.
erilar
Anim8rFSK <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote:
> Part 3 is "Head"
and this is a ship. . . . . . .
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"D. Stussy" <spam+ne...@bde-arc.ampr.org> wrote:
Sigh. "Humor. It is a difficult concept"
Air
Head
Airhead
Those one word ep titles are just way too precious. Ep 13 better have
Eliza Dushku in it.
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Merrick Baldelli <mbal...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Thanks. The whole Ancient Gene Shot thing has always both puzzled me and
made me uneasy. You'd think there's be broader based applications based
on said technology by now. Blue eyes for everybody!
Legend11
Well that's what I heard too. The pilot being parts 1 & 2 of Air,
tonight's being part 3 of Air. Not only that, in most interviews with
the producers and actors I've seen it has been mentioned at least once
that the first three parts are all about them getting decent "air" to
breath. 'Head'? Never heard of that.
Part 5, 'Light'. Mmm, interesting. Maybe it will look a little less
gloomy after that. My mum when she comes round to my house always turns
up the dimmer switches on my lamps while saying; "It looks like bloody
'poverty alley' in here, young man!" It's amazing what a bit of light
can do in terms of one's mood...for characters and viewers in this case.
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Merrick Baldelli
wrote:
>Part 3 is "Head"
As in... Air...?
Merrick Baldelli
>It could also simply be that as the ship was launched before their move to
>pegasus, they didn't INCLUDE the ancient gene activation technology in their
>equipment at the time. After all, stargates don't use it. The ancient
>repositories don't use it. They probably added it as a security measure
>after the wraith became a problem.
The Ancients had been sufficiently advanced even before they
had left for the Pegasus Galaxy that any remaining technology that
they have left behind could pose a serious threat to the developing
races. It would be common sense that there would be safeguards for
that technology so that it can't be activated even haphazardly.
Further, there has been evidence in earlier episodes of
Stargate SG-1 that the Ancients were part of the accord that the
various races had in place with the Goa'uld (this accord had also
included the Nox, Asgard, and Furlings as you recall), which indicates
that they would be doubly cautious of their technology falling into
Goa'uld hands. Hence it would be sensible for them to ensure that
without the ATA gene, the Goa'uld wouldn't be able to activate it.
spi...@freenet.co.uk
> Further, there has been evidence in earlier episodes of
> Stargate SG-1 that the Ancients were part of the accord that the
> various races had in place with the Goa'uld (this accord had also
> included the Nox, Asgard, and Furlings as you recall), which indicates
> that they would be doubly cautious of their technology falling into
> Goa'uld hands. Hence it would be sensible for them to ensure that
> without the ATA gene, the Goa'uld wouldn't be able to activate it.
not have even left their home planet. The accord was between the nox,
furlings, asgard and ancients. WE were the fifth race.
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Merrick Baldelli wrote:
> On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 11:17:06 +0100, spi...@freenet.co.uk wrote:
>
> >It could also simply be that as the ship was launched before their move to
> >pegasus, they didn't INCLUDE the ancient gene activation technology in their
> >equipment at the time. After all, stargates don't use it. The ancient
> >repositories don't use it. They probably added it as a security measure
> >after the wraith became a problem.
>
> The Ancients had been sufficiently advanced even before they
> had left for the Pegasus Galaxy that any remaining technology that
> they have left behind could pose a serious threat to the developing
> races. It would be common sense that there would be safeguards for
> that technology so that it can't be activated even haphazardly.
> Further, there has been evidence in earlier episodes of
> Stargate SG-1 that the Ancients were part of the accord that the
> various races had in place with the Goa'uld (this accord had also
> included the Nox, Asgard, and Furlings as you recall), which indicates
> that they would be doubly cautious of their technology falling into
> Goa'uld hands. Hence it would be sensible for them to ensure that
> without the ATA gene, the Goa'uld wouldn't be able to activate it.
If a Goa'uld's HOST had the ATA gene, I assume that the Goa'uld would have
access!
Merrick Baldelli
<tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>If a Goa'uld's HOST had the ATA gene, I assume that the Goa'uld would have
>access!
Tim, go away... Worked out already even in the "Thor's
Hammer" and "Fifth Race". Even though Thor's Hammer had been built by
the Asgard, given the advancement of the Ancients, it's pretty
apparent that they had worked out how to exclude any host that has
been taken over by a Goa'uld.
This was of course reinforced by "Fifth Race" when T'ealc
looks into the Ancient Teaching Device and it doesn't activate.
Merrick Baldelli
>The goa'ould might not have been a threat when the ancients left. They might
>not have even left their home planet. The accord was between the nox,
>furlings, asgard and ancients. WE were the fifth race.
In the episode "The Fifth Race", one of the set of symbols for
the meeting of these groups was... yes, you guessed it -- Ancient. Go
watch the episode again please.
Further, there are indications that prior to their exodus to
the Pegasus Galaxy, Ancient technology had already been genetically
keyed to them, as it has been explained in SGA's "Rising" and SG1's
"The Pegasus Project". This would be a common sense precaution given
the advancement of the Ancients.
spi...@freenet.co.uk
> On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 15:56:28 +0100, spi...@freenet.co.uk wrote:
>
>>The goa'ould might not have been a threat when the ancients left. They might
>>not have even left their home planet. The accord was between the nox,
>>furlings, asgard and ancients. WE were the fifth race.
>
> In the episode "The Fifth Race", one of the set of symbols for
> the meeting of these groups was... yes, you guessed it -- Ancient. Go
> watch the episode again please.
Um. Try reading that again please.
Where did I say anything about the ancients NOT being one of the races in
the accord? I said they sodding WHERE!
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anim8rfsk
Merrick Baldelli wrote:
> On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:28:55 -0700, Anim8rFSK <ANIM...@cox.net>
> wrote:
>
> >Part 3 is "Head"
>
> As in... Air...?
THANK you.
"He gets me! He really gets me!"
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We know he gets you, we keep shipping you Received Receipt. But he
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Tim Bruening
Merrick Baldelli wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 13:17:43 -0700, "D. Stussy"
> <spam+ne...@bde-arc.ampr.org> wrote:
>
> >"Merrick Baldelli" <mbal...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:30irc512s27n4hpl7...@4ax.com...
> >> On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 23:51:18 -0700, "D. Stussy"
> >> <spam+ne...@bde-arc.ampr.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> >"Anim8rFSK" <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote in message
> >> >news:ANIM8Rfsk-3BC8E...@news.dc1.easynews.com...
> >> >> [signature lines:]
> >> >> Stargate Universe SGU: It puts the "U" in "SUCKS"!
> >> >> It's the show 'Defiling Gravity' would be if DG had more regulars,
> >> >> fewer abortions, worse writers, and no budget for lighting.
> >> >
> >> >Now, THAT was good.
> >> >
> >> >I wasn't that impressed with the first show, but then again, we had 10
> >> >seasons of SG1 and 6? of Atlantis, so certain parts of the general story
> >> >are old. Let's see how well they do for episode 2.
> >>
> >> Episode 3. The two hour premiere was actually episodes 1 & 2.
> >
> >Not according to my information. Both the premier and the October 9
> >episode are titled "Air." (Parts 1 and 2, not 1-3).
>
> I know that some people have the want to correct me because of
> the need of the material -- but you did simply reiterate what I had
> already said.
Why does steam jet out the base of the Destiny's stargate when it turns off?
I'll Always Be 12/10/09
<4AD2E6C3...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
Tim Bruening
<tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
If it didn't vent, the pressure would
cause an explosion
Tim Bruening
Why is there a steam buildup at all? I don't recall any such problems with other
stargates!
Merrick Baldelli
<dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
>anim8rfsk wrote:
>> Merrick Baldelli wrote:
>>> On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:28:55 -0700, Anim8rFSK <ANIM...@cox.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Part 3 is "Head"
>>> As in... Air...?
>>
>> THANK you.
>>
>> "He gets me! He really gets me!"
>
>We know he gets you, we keep shipping you Received Receipt. But he
>won't _keep_ you! :-P
Well no... because it would take too much work trying to get
him properly house trained.
Merrick Baldelli
Well I admit that it wasn't too much of a stretch. Then
again, given the material of this episode; it could be logically
deduced.
Tim Bruening
"D. Stussy" wrote:
> 10/02/09 1/2 Air Parts 1 and 2 [9 pm ET/PT - 2 hours]
> 10/09/09 3 Air Part 3
> 10/16/09 4 Darkness
> 10/23/09 5 Light
> 10/30/09 6 Water
> TBA Earth
> TBA Time
> TBA Life
> TBA Justice
> TBA Space
Scott and Young go for a spacewalk and get dislodged?
> TBA Divided
Rush returns and starts a civil war?
> TBA Faith
Rush leads a religious revival? Young prays for his wife to have more faith in
their marriage? (A woman I know once prayed for her husband to return to her
and have more faith in their marriage. He did that night).
> TBA Human
Rush becomes a cyborg? Young and Emily go on crying jags?
> TBA Lost
> TBA Sabotage
I nominate Rush or Greer as saboteurs.
Chet Weaver
"Tim Bruening" <tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in message
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>
>
> "D. Stussy" wrote:
>
>> 10/02/09 1/2 Air Parts 1 and 2 [9 pm ET/PT - 2 hours]
>> 10/09/09 3 Air Part 3
>> 10/16/09 4 Darkness
>> 10/23/09 5 Light
>> 10/30/09 6 Water
>> TBA Earth
>> TBA Time
>> TBA Life
>> TBA Justice
>> TBA Space
>
> Scott and Young go for a spacewalk and get dislodged?
>
to house them all. On the flipside, it could be that a bunch of new holes
open up in the Destiny's hull, further restricting the available space to
something considerably less comfortable. Or it could be about Rush trying
to get off the planet and back to Destiny.
>> TBA Divided
>
> Rush returns and starts a civil war?
>
Maybe an accident on a planet separates the away team from the gate and each
other, and both teams must find a new path to the gate on their own.
>> TBA Faith
>
> Rush leads a religious revival? Young prays for his wife to have more
> faith in
> their marriage? (A woman I know once prayed for her husband to return to
> her
> and have more faith in their marriage. He did that night).
>
Maybe word gets out about what really happened on the planet, or something
equally or more salacious, and everyone begins to lose their confidence in
Young's leadership abilities. More so than usual.
>> TBA Human
>
> Rush becomes a cyborg? Young and Emily go on crying jags?
>
Maybe one of the Destiny crew is abducted by aliens, and their interrogation
method involves convincing him/her that s/he is one of them who was secretly
planted there as a spy to gather information for them. "Amnesia" about
their "alien life" was part of the "process" so s/he could "blend in," and
him/her not "remembering" right away was "to be expected," so they'll throw
a lot of emotional stuff his/her way to make them believe this is the
"truth." But then it'll turn out to be all a dream... OR WILL IT!?
>> TBA Lost
>> TBA Sabotage
>
> I nominate Rush or Greer as saboteurs.
>
Continuing from the alien abduction plot, these strange beings are behind it
when things start going screwy on the Destiny. It could be one of the
aliens themselves, or a brainwashed human.
>> TBA Pain
>> TBA Subversion
>> TBA Incursion Part 1
>> TBA Incursion Part 2
>
After Sabotage, thing become slightly more alien-centric. They remain
something of a shadowy side-plot until Incursion, when they actually invade
the ship and the Destiny crew must find a way to fight them off. Probably
by sneaking onto their ship and stealing some weapons.
-- Chet Weaver
TB
> "Tim Bruening" <tsbru...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in message
>
> news:4B300134...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us...
>
>
>
> > "D. Stussy" wrote:
>
> >> TBA Faith
>
> > Rush leads a religious revival? Young prays for his wife to have more
> > faith in
> > their marriage? (A woman I know once prayed for her husband to return to
> > her
> > and have more faith in their marriage. He did that night).
>
> Maybe word gets out about what really happened on the planet, or something
> equally or more salacious, and everyone begins to lose their confidence in
> Young's leadership abilities. More so than usual.
Or word gets out about Young beating up Telford. Or Young is caught
boinking Chloe silly.
>
> >> TBA Human
>
> > Rush becomes a cyborg? Young and Emily go on crying jags?
>
> Maybe one of the Destiny crew is abducted by aliens, and their interrogation
> method involves convincing him/her that s/he is one of them who was secretly
> planted there as a spy to gather information for them. "Amnesia" about
> their "alien life" was part of the "process" so s/he could "blend in," and
> him/her not "remembering" right away was "to be expected," so they'll throw
> a lot of emotional stuff his/her way to make them believe this is the
> "truth." But then it'll turn out to be all a dream... OR WILL IT!?
Young is abducted by aliens, who use his adulterous activities and
resulting marital problems as emotional weapons to convince him to
turn spy. He resists by focusing on his love for Emily or TJ or
both. The aliens might also blackmail him by threatening to blow the
whistle on him for attacking Telford and Rush.
Alternative: The aliens clone a human and leave him/her on some planet
for the Destiny crew to find. Said human is an unwitting alien spy.
Tim Bruening
"Tim Bruening" wrote in message
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>
>
> "D. Stussy" wrote:
>> TBA Pain
I'm not looking forward to that episode!
>> TBA Subversion
>> TBA Incursion Part 1
>> TBA Incursion Part 2
>
After Sabotage, thing become slightly more alien-centric. They remain
something of a shadowy side-plot until Incursion, when they actually invade
the ship and the Destiny crew must find a way to fight them off. Probably
by sneaking onto their ship and stealing some weapons.
I suggest getting the Destiny to dive into a star again. If that doesn't scare
the aliens into leaving, then selectively drop the shields in the areas controlled
by the aliens in order to fry them.
Don Stockbauer
How can you make a gate out of a star?
Chet Weaver
> On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 23:33:55 -0800, "Chet Weaver" wrote:
>
> "Tim Bruening" wrote in message
> news:4B300134...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us...
>>
>>
>> "D. Stussy" wrote:
>
>>> TBA Pain
>
> I'm not looking forward to that episode!
>
>>> TBA Subversion
>>> TBA Incursion Part 1
>>> TBA Incursion Part 2
>>
> After Sabotage, thing become slightly more alien-centric. They remain
> something of a shadowy side-plot until Incursion, when they actually
> invade
> the ship and the Destiny crew must find a way to fight them off. Probably
> by sneaking onto their ship and stealing some weapons.
>
> I suggest getting the Destiny to dive into a star again. If that doesn't
> scare
> the aliens into leaving, then selectively drop the shields in the areas
> controlled
> by the aliens in order to fry them.
>
I'm sure that'll work once, assuming they don't already know the Destiny is
designed to do that. The aliens could be lead by a vengeful Dr. Rush, or
helped by a brainwashed spy, or also have a ship that can dive into stars,
or gain control of Destiny before it dives. It certainly won't work on the
same aliens twice. And if they do that, I doubt they'll be dropping any
shields. The ship itself isn't likely to survive having major parts of it
missing like that. Of course, that doesn't stop anyone from bluffing.
-- Chet Weaver
Don Stockbauer
> "Chet Weaver" <zeroo...@aim.com> found these unused words:
>
>
>
>
>
> >"Tim Bruening" <tsbru...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in message
> episodes. Biggest bluffers of the last two decades.
Why not just stick with science fact?
Tim Bruening
Don Stockbauer wrote:
Its a gate TO the stars, not a gate made from stars.
Tim Bruening
"D. Stussy" wrote:
> 10/02/09 1/2 Air Parts 1 and 2 [9 pm ET/PT - 2 hours]
> 10/09/09 3 Air Part 3
> 10/16/09 4 Darkness
> 10/23/09 5 Light
> 10/30/09 6 Water
> TBA Earth
> TBA Time
> TBA Life
> TBA Justice
> TBA Space
Young and Scott go out in a shuttle and get seperated from the Destiny?
> TBA Divided
> TBA Faith
> TBA Human
> TBA Lost
Same as in "Space"?
> TBA Sabotage
> TBA Pain
> TBA Subversion
> TBA Incursion Part 1
> TBA Incursion Part 2
The Lucians attack?
Pete B
1791c1...@m26g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>, don.sto...@gmail.com
says...
> > >I'm sure that'll work once, assuming they don't already know the Destiny is
> > >designed to do that. �The aliens could be lead by a vengeful Dr. Rush, or
> > >helped by a brainwashed spy, or also have a ship that can dive into stars,
> > >or gain control of Destiny before it dives. �It certainly won't work on the
> > >same aliens twice. �And if they do that, I doubt they'll be dropping any
> > >shields. �The ship itself isn't likely to survive having major parts of it
> > >missing like that. �Of course, that doesn't stop anyone from bluffing.
> >
> > Quite true, I hear that Mickey Moore and All� Gor� are set to direct
> > episodes. Biggest bluffers of the last two decades.
>
> Why not just stick with science fact?
F. A. Rien doesn't believe in such things
Tim Bruening
1791c1...@m26g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>, don.sto...@gmail.com
says...
> > >I'm sure that'll work once, assuming they don't already know the Destiny is
> > >designed to do that. �The aliens could be lead by a vengeful Dr. Rush, or
> > >helped by a brainwashed spy, or also have a ship that can dive into stars,
> > >or gain control of Destiny before it dives. �It certainly won't work on the
> > >same aliens twice. �And if they do that, I doubt they'll be dropping any
> > >shields. �The ship itself isn't likely to survive having major parts of it
> > >missing like that. �Of course, that doesn't stop anyone from bluffing.
> >
> > Quite true, I hear that Mickey Moore and All� Gor� are set to direct
> > episodes. Biggest bluffers of the last two decades.
>
> Why not just stick with science fact?
If we stuck with established science fact, we wouldn't have had any
Stargate series to begin with!
Tim Bruening
"D. Stussy" wrote:
> "Anim8rFSK" <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:ANIM8Rfsk-B92F6...@news.dc1.easynews.com...
> > In article <halhd8$s21$1...@snarked.org>,
> > "D. Stussy" <spam+ne...@bde-arc.ampr.org> wrote:
> > > "Merrick Baldelli" <mbal...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:30irc512s27n4hpl7...@4ax.com...
> > > > On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 23:51:18 -0700, "D. Stussy"
> > > > <spam+ne...@bde-arc.ampr.org> wrote:
> > > > >"Anim8rFSK" <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote in message
> > > > >news:ANIM8Rfsk-3BC8E...@news.dc1.easynews.com...
> > > > >> [signature lines:]
> > > > >> Stargate Universe SGU: It puts the "U" in "SUCKS"!
> > > > >> It's the show 'Defiling Gravity' would be if DG had more regulars,
> > > > >> fewer abortions, worse writers, and no budget for lighting.
> > > > >
> > > > >Now, THAT was good.
> > > > >
> > > > >I wasn't that impressed with the first show, but then again, we had
> 10
> > > > >seasons of SG1 and 6? of Atlantis, so certain parts of the general
> story
> > > > >are old. Let's see how well they do for episode 2.
> > > >
> > > > Episode 3. The two hour premiere was actually episodes 1 & 2.
> > >
> > > Not according to my information. Both the premier and the October 9
> > > episode are titled "Air." (Parts 1 and 2, not 1-3).
> >
> > Part 3 is "Head"
>
> No such episode title. (As known on 9/1/09 - replays deleted):
>
> 10/02/09 1/2 Air Parts 1 and 2 [9 pm ET/PT - 2 hours]
> 10/09/09 3 Air Part 3
> 10/16/09 4 Darkness
> 10/23/09 5 Light
> 10/30/09 6 Water
> TBA Earth
> TBA Time
> TBA Life
> TBA Justice
> TBA Space
> TBA Divided
Rush and Camile led a mutiny against Young. Young defeated the mutiny, and
wonders how to work with Rush's group. IMHO, Dr. Phil should be brought in as
a consultant, since he's an expert on family disputes.
> TBA Faith
> TBA Human
It appears that Rush may lose his humanity by being hooked up to a nasty Chair.
> TBA Lost
> TBA Sabotage
Another Rush and Camile attempt to undermine Young?