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>                                                 (And I'm sorry, but
>don't even *try* to bring the Voyager story into this; the ship is
>threatened by a cheese contamination?  I almost fell off my chair.)
> 
>                                                                jms
ST:V was "on" in the background (it was a bad Monday for TV) when I
heard the line "take this cheese to sick bay".  I was reaching for the
remote when one of my larger teddy bears dove for the TV and hit the off
button.
<--- SPF1 for the discussion sensitive
I think that those who are focused on the mechanics of the Draffa plague
are missing the boat.  This was a story about PEOPLE and their REACTIONS
to a SITUATION that was very nearly OUT OF CONTROL.
Look at the reactions of Franklin and his medical staff; the reaction of
Garibaldi and security; the Minbari (Delenn and Lannier); Ivonova and
Sheridan; the rest of the population (human and alien).  Listen to the
news cast at the end of the program.  In other words, pay attention -- there 
will be a written test at the end of the season.
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My favorite line of the week:
"Take that cheese to sickbay!"
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! :)
Nearly as good as some of the lines from the infamous "lungs" episode.
:)
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 Was this the one I caught the end of, where they had to rev up the warp 
 engines for a plasma burst to cure the crew?
 I loved it when they got the engines up to "360 Kelvins!"...   A little bit
 more, and they could have boiled water for Capt. Picard's Earl Grey Tea.
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Joe,
  That's a good question.  This has happened many many times before,
why is it that in hollywood it seems fairly common that lots of people
hit upon the same idea at the same time?  Judging by how close I
believe people play this stuff to their chest, I really find it hard
to believe they're all me too things.
  Whenever there's a real popular story, it seems that a dozen people
have thought of telling the same sort of story at the same time.  This
glut of plague stories, corresponding with a real plague outbreak
(Ebola) at about the same time is very strange.  It happens all the
time though.
Any theories about this?
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This plot development was completely predictable, and probably
inevitable, considering how incredibly cheesy Voyager's plots
have been lately.
(OW! Where did those bat-wielding Narns come from? OW! OW! OW!)
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disease.
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>...the ship is
>threatened by a cheese contamination?  I almost fell off my chair.
"Get the cheese to sick bay!"
"Dammit Jim, I'm a doctor not a pizza chef!"
.
Well, I mean... they _were_ trying to be funny.
Weren't they?
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OK, maybe I did go off a LITTLE bit half cocked about the plague-in-B5 thing,
but it really is something that's been bugging me, what with the glut (and yes,
there IS a glut of them) going on...I realize it's not my place to say how you
should write B5.  
And as far as the VOYAGER thing, well, hey, we were all trashed when we watched
it, so it was a good excuse to let off some of the sillies  :)
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That was really my assumption when reading the synopsis of this episode, 
that it dealt more with our reactions to people who have various sorts of 
plagues than the diseases themselves (eg., an AIDS allegory).  I thought 
that was pretty clear (not having seen the episode in question yet, but 
the angle seemed pretty clear to me from reading the synopsis alone).
: (And I'm sorry, but
: don't even *try* to bring the Voyager story into this; the ship is
: threatened by a cheese contamination?  I almost fell off my chair.)
Oh, I don't take that much on VOYAGER all that seriously.  I thought it 
showed a very good sense of humor on the part of the writers (who, 
frankly, had trouble escaping the ol' paper bag on that Full Omicron 
Particle Jacket plotline), and I chuckled mightly at all the cheese 
jokes.  That's the first time the show has made me laugh this much in 
quite awhile...
- Elayne
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> This plot development was completely predictable, and probably
> inevitable, considering how incredibly cheesy Voyager's plots
> have been lately.
> (OW! Where did those bat-wielding Narns come from? OW! OW! OW!)
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Hey, what do you expect?  It's a cheesy show.  =)
(Sorry, couldn't resist it.)
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Yes.  Gharlane taps into JMS' brain with an Eddorian device that has the 
unfortunate side-effect of re-broadcasting near the area of the tap, a kind of 
psionic slop effect (also known as pse, pronounced "se" where the 'e' is a schwa). 
These less-worthy producers make very bad copies of JMS' ideas.
Gharlane's been doing this for years.  That's why we had the mass of bad undersea 
horror stories when "The Abyss" came out-- he's also tapping Cameron's mind.  Some 
say Gharlane is actually *controlling* them, feeding them ideas, but I doubt it.
- Tony
Why not?  What is it about some B5 fans that presupposes that the TV
must only be on 1 hour a week (not a bad idea actually), or that
watching another show is wrong, *especially* a Star Trek one?  Maybe
Voyager isn't that great, but most things out there are even worse :-)
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Heh.  I for one found the entire Voyager story truly sill, as well as 
disconnected.  But then, evidently, the worse the writing, and the more
inaccurate the science, the more popular the episode.
What struck me about C & L was that a plague struck a race, and there was
nothing that could be done.  They _all_ died.  Gone.  Extinct.  Now an
unhappy ending like that ST really doesen't have the guts to take on
any more.
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disgusting."  Me, watching Voyager    
Hour and a half, if the Tick isn't in reruns.
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KL>In article <199505240449...@relay1.geis.com>,
KL> <strac...@genie.geis.com> wrote:
KL>> [ ... ]        cheese contamination?
KL>ST:V was "on" in the background (it was a bad Monday for TV) when I
KL>heard the line "take this cheese to sick bay".
I want a FULL SCAN of writing credits.  Keep a PARTICULAR watch for
people from Firesign Theatre.
KL>I think that those who are focused on the mechanics of the Draffa plague
KL>are missing the boat.  This was a story about PEOPLE and their REACTIONS
KL>to a SITUATION that was very nearly OUT OF CONTROL.
Very true.  My misgivings about the details of the outbreak (and there
have to be details.. it would be a lousily told story if there were no
details) are just a sideshow.
        Regards.        Mel.
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hint: read some Terry Pratchett ;-)
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ASctually, I thought the Voyager episode (which was rather silly on general
principles, I mean, isn't the doctor part of the circuits?) Also made a 
fairly important point whther it meant to or not. Space exploration
can be dangerous. You never *know* what's out there.
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narrowly, to Nuremberg." - Jack Hughes, "The Independent on Sunday."
>>   Whenever there's a real popular story, it seems that a dozen people
>> have thought of telling the same sort of story at the same time.  This
>> glut of plague stories, corresponding with a real plague outbreak
>> (Ebola) at about the same time is very strange.  It happens all the
>> time though.
>> 
>> Any theories about this?
>> 
>> Jay
>It's obvious really, the odds of this happening are exactly
>a million to one.
>hint: read some Terry Pratchett ;-)
"Million to one chances crop up nine times out of ten"?
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> really hasn't been dealt with that much in SF.  (And I'm sorry, but
> don't even *try* to bring the Voyager story into this; the ship is
> threatened by a cheese contamination?  I almost fell off my chair.)
And it wasn't even a GOOD cheese!
Perhaps next season B-5 could be threatened by a yeast infection....
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> Voyager isn't that great, but most things out there are even worse :-)
I wouldn't go THAT far. I've seen wittier porn films.
Nice theme music though....
> What struck me about C & L was that a plague struck a race, and there was
> nothing that could be done.  They _all_ died.  Gone.  Extinct.  Now an
> unhappy ending like that ST really doesen't have the guts to take on
> any more.
Actually they SORT of did once in ST-NG.
There was an old guy living on this planet with his wife, and the planet was
threatened by some alien race.
[From memory] the alien race turned out to be an illusion.  What really happened
was that the old guy was really an omnipotent alien being himself who'd fallen
in love with a human and gone to that planet to be with her.  The REAL aliens
attacked, killing her.
This made the alien angry, VERY angry.
[Ryker, or other suitable character] - "So then what happened after the [call 
them Bosnian Serbs] killed your wife?"
Alien - "I killed the Bosnian Serbs."
[Ryker] - "Well, that's certainly understandable, they'd just killed your wife."
Alien - "No, I killed ALL of the Bosnian Serbs, EVERY single one, EVERYWHERE."
[Ryker] - "Oh...."
Actually not a bad episode, considering the namby-pambyism which tends to be
pervasive in the TNG universe.
Even better is when they're "scanning for magnetons."  Being a grad
student in physics, I happen to know what a magneton is.  It's a unit
describing the magnetic field strength of subatomic particles, e.g. an
electron has a field of one magneton.  In other words, a magneton is a
measurement unit, like inches, cenitmeters, ounces, minutes, etc.  So,
"scanning space for magnetons" is like scanning space for pounds.
Someone at Paramount needs to retake high school physics.......
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> In article <199505240449...@relay1.geis.com>,
>  <strac...@genie.geis.com> wrote:
> ] (And I'm sorry, but
> ] don't even *try* to bring the Voyager story into this; the ship is
> ] threatened by a cheese contamination?  I almost fell off my chair.)
> 
> 
> Hey, what do you expect?  It's a cheesy show.  =)
   Once again, the Firesign Theatre is seen to be prophetic; they came up
with a cheap Japanese monster movie entitled "Gorgonzola, the Cheese
Monster" YEARS before "Voyager" was even contemplated!
   "Take that cheese to sick bay" is a priceless Trek quote, all things
considered.
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Not to be confused with "Worms out of a hot cheese log..."
And then of course there's... The Plague... (right before Side Six, I 
believe).
:    "Take that cheese to sick bay" is a priceless Trek quote, all things
: considered.
I keep getting this follow-up line to the tune of a country song...
	"Take that cheese to Sick Bay
	I ain't working' here no more..."
I have to get out more.
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>Even better is when they're "scanning for magnetons."  Being a grad
>student in physics, I happen to know what a magneton is.  It's a unit
>describing the magnetic field strength of subatomic particles, e.g. an
>electron has a field of one magneton.  In other words, a magneton is a
>measurement unit, like inches, cenitmeters, ounces, minutes, etc.  So,
>"scanning space for magnetons" is like scanning space for pounds.
>Someone at Paramount needs to retake high school physics.......
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MBB> Voyager isn't quite living up to expectations, is it? :)
MBB> Thank you once again for creating B5...
MBB> On 24 May 1995 strac...@genie.geis.com wrote:
> (And I'm sorry, but don't even *try* to bring the Voyager 
> story into this; the ship is threatened by a cheese 
> contamination?  I almost fell off my chair.) jms
> > 
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|:  more, and they could have boiled water for Capt. Picard's Earl Grey Tea.
|Even better is when they're "scanning for magnetons." Being a grad
My personal favourite was when they ran into a cloud of "dark matter"
that was radiating strongly in the electromagnetic. 
("Well, you know, the thing about dark matter--the really key thing--is
that it's, you know, *dark*."  --Holly, more-or-less.)
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:In article <3q2dal$g...@panix.com>,
:Elayne Wechsler-Chaput <fire...@panix.com> wrote:
:>strac...@genie.geis.com wrote:
:>:      Next time I will try and locate every other producer in town and
:>: see what they plan to produce, so I can plan accordingly.  When I wrote
:>: the episode, Outbreak hadn't been promoted yet or known about, Voyager
:>: hadn't aired, ER hadn't told me what they were going to do...if I'd
:>: known there would be such a glut...well, I probably would've done so
:>: anyway, because this isn't so much about the plague and saying its'
:>: dangerous, but about our attitudes when we are confronted by this, which
:>: really hasn't been dealt with that much in SF.
:>
:>That was really my assumption when reading the synopsis of this episode, 
:>that it dealt more with our reactions to people who have various sorts of 
:...
:>
:>Oh, I don't take that much on VOYAGER all that seriously.  I thought it 
:>showed a very good sense of humor on the part of the writers (who, 
:>frankly, had trouble escaping the ol' paper bag on that Full Omicron 
:...
     I was hopeful of Voyager after the episode showing the destruction
     a badly redesigned replicator could cause... showed how taking
     technology for granted can sometimes bite you back.
     Those hopes were dashed after the episode with the cheese.  Considering
     the incredible amount of bacteria and other micro-organisms that would
     have to exist (a lot of it symbiotic with humans and necessary), it 
     would take an idiot to believe that the 'bio-neural' circuitry would
     be designed to be exposed enough to contract something.
     Now, if a couple of those jellibags had been damaged at some point and
     exposed... *that* would have been believable.  But, no.... they need
     to do something that endangers the whole friggin ship every single
     episode! 
     What I would like is to see the ship break down and then manage to
     flag down a passing superior race (like maybe 100 years ahead of
     the federation re: technology), then bargin for replacement parts
     and maybe an upgrade for the doctor as a pretext for giving him
     abilities which he already appears to have despite the fact that nobody
     has really fiddled with his original program all that much.
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I thought the B5 plague episode was good except for two things:
     (1) Mira's (Delan) acting wasn't so good this episode except for one 
	 short segment near the end where they are walking back towards 
	 Sheridan through the piles of dead bodies (when she isn't talking).
	 But then she blows it again.  Sigh.  Bill Mumy's acting was,
	 of course, excellent!  And that saved it... I just concentrated
	 on him rather then her.
     (2) Even an airborn virus would not likely wipe out an entire
	 population, even with the incubation period.  And I do not
	 think the most important fact: at which points in its cycle
	 is the disease contagious was mentioned at all.  That
	 little newsclip at the end would have been more effective
	 if the casualties had not been 100% on the planet.
	 On the otherhand, species-jumping viruses can be incredibly
	 lethal to the species they jump to.  If that fact were
	 brought out with more force, it would have legitimized
	 the episode a bit more.
-Matt
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