Biography: Ford A. Thaxton
ser...@my-deja.com
Originally posted by Lukas Kendall on January 28, 1998 at 01:05:30:
ABOUT FORD THAXTON
This post will have little to no meaning to people not familiar with
the newsgroup rec.music.movies, but I simply must vent about the one
film music "persona" whom I truly cannot stand.
DO NOT READ THIS if you don't want to hear about it. This will be
personal. I'M SERIOUS! This is very specific venting that I will not
foist on unsuspecting readers.
***
I'll start off by saying that most of the people producing soundtrack
albums who you, as fans, read about, are themselves fans. That's why
they got into it. These are people not much righter than you or I who
happened to parlay a love of film music with the proper connections
into a good job and/or lifestyle. No harm there - it's what I'm trying
to do!
I'll also say that these people are, by and large, nerds. This is not
a bad thing. Today, being a nerd is kind of hip, and there simply is
no better description for one who memorizes facts about Jerry
Goldsmith music than a grade-A, class-one nerd. There are a lot nerds
out there who are good people and who do good work. They have their
hang ups, as do we all, but they get by through possessing a certain
amount of human decency and humility.
Ford Thaxton (real name, Buford) is a nasty, nasty piece of work. In
this little essay I will reveal all I know about this unpleasant Hutt
(as in, Jabba the) who takes great pleasure in being the town bully on
rec.music.movies and slamming the work of Jeff Bond, my trusty FSM
cohort, and myself.
It may be hard for people to read this and think, how mean, Ford has
been really helpful to people who have a question about a soundtrack
album, and after all he is "in the business." Put simply, we are
dealing with a deranged person who comes from a tortured background.
His family is dysfunctional, to put it mildly, and everything bad
that has ever happened to him is reflected in the cruelty and pounding
tone of his "writing."
***
Some physical characteristics:
Ford is probably over 300 pounds. Now I love all living things, and
have no problem with people who are overweight, or downright obese.
But I do have problems with people who make my life difficult -- on
purpose! -- and in this case everything is fair game.
So we're envisioning 300 pounds. Now imagine suspenders, a bald dome,
and thick coke-bottle glasses. This is Ford Thaxton. He wags his
finger in your face when he talks and dominates any discussion with
idiotic comments such as "Have you taken your meds today?"
Some background:
Besides his childhood, the details of which I barely know, thank god,
Ford's schooling is minimal, to say the least, and he somehow got
involved in producing a radio show about soundtracks in his native
Olympia, Washington. Through this he managed to contact some film
composers - this is probably in the mid-'80s - and he "produced" his
first album with Dennis McCarthy on Star Trek: The Next Generation's
"Encounter at Farpoint" (1987).
The story there is that Ford was visiting Dennis at the time - a
truly nice guy and warm human being who will not turn away someone,
even a total freak like Ford. They were at the mastering session and
Dennis basically turned over decisions of sequencing to Ford. ooooh,
the seas parted, the sky went pitch black at noon and a career was
born.
From there Ford moved to LA some time in the late-80s where
reportedly he worked for like two weeks at Varese Sarabande before
leaving (or being fired). He worked on some albums for GNP/Crescendo
in the late 1980s before a fall-out with Crescendo's Neil Norman sent
him running back to Olympia, tail between his legs. Somewhere in here
he got hooked up with Silva Screen where he produced such memorable
albums as "Frankenhooker" and a ton of low-grade horror dreck.
(Ford has a complete lack of taste and a tin ear, which has
contributed not only to his obnoxiously hosted radio shows, but some
truly unmemorable and flawed, wasted albums, with everything from
guillotine edits to illiterate liner notes to arbitrary sequencing.)
Through this time, envision a man, to use the term loosely, who
existed to make telephone calls. This is someone who found a coterie of
composers who didn't have the heart to tell him to get lost (the way
James Horner personally did). He would then call them EVERY WEEK, if
not every other day, to suck up, chat them up, and waste their time.
Around this time was when he made the infamous call to the now-late
Mort Stevens, "So Mort, I hear you're dying of cancer...", and in his
most hilarious act ever, ran up $250 in PHONE SEX charges while staying
with a well known composer.
You've gotta be pretty dumb to do that - like they're not going to
find out?
***
Around this time is also where I come in. People sometimes ask about
my background, and I'll tell it: I was a high school student on
Martha's Vineyard, MA, where I grew up, and I published FILM SCORE
MONTHLY (then going not even by this title, but as "The Soundtrack
Club") as a small newsletter, for fun. One summer my dad, a doctor,
treated a successful television composer for allergies or something and
I met this gentleman (now a good friend of the family), I think during
the summer of 1991. The composer offered to put me in contact with some
people who might be interested in the newsletter, as it then was, and
could help with other contacts and information.
One of these referrals was Ford Thaxton - and I was thoroughly warned
that this guy was downright nuts and a bully and to be very careful.
But at the same time he knew people, had an encyclopedic knowledge of
film music, and, hell, how much damage could he do from across the
continent? (Shortly thereafter Ford borrowed $1000 from this composer,
a debt which went unpaid for years until Ford made it up to him by
producing an album for free.)
So, from 1991 until probably 1994 I was on Ford's "call list," and I,
Lukas Kendall, your humble editor, was at the receiving end of a phone
call almost every single day. Such phone calls were of complete
unimportance: desire to spread "news" first - now fulfilled by
rec.music.movies, except we beat him with most news at FSM.com anyway -
dumb questions, personal insults, unintentional harassment of my poor
mom, but more than anything persistent bullying.
Keep in mind: I was between 16 and 20 years old, a rube from an
island. People ask why I seem so loathe of Ford personally, and this is
why: he repeatedly berated and abused me when I was new to the
"business."
I would never take advantage of someone this young but that's exactly
what Ford did. And by take advantage, I mean bully me into accepting
his opinions as gospel, threatening to "cut me off" from his contacts
(an empty threat if there ever was one), and berating me into
apologizing if I dared name one of Ford's transgressions.
And believe me there are many. This is someone who has hoarded tapes
like no one else. Someone who has tons of tons of cool things on DAT,
many of which he has either directly bootlegged himself, or copies of
which have found their way to bootleggers. Someone who would SELL tape
copies of unreleased scores to alleged FRIENDS to pay for his Doritos
and Diet Coke habit. Someone who regularly produces albums under
pseudonyms (such as Arch Stanton on some utter shit from Edel, and
Jason Alexander Stone on the 2CD Joe Harnell compilation).
Someone who was directly involved in putting together the Off World
Blade Runner bootleg, which really opened the floodgates for illegal
recordings.
***
This is truly a small, insecure, mean person who would need to beat up
on a naive kid over the phone every single day. I still remember my
freshman year at Amherst College and my roommates despising this "Ford"
who would telephone all the time.
Moving on, Ford's only real "break" as a record producer came with the
4CD Arista box set of the Star Wars Trilogy. Out of respect for
Lucasfilm and the producer on this project, my friend Nick Redman, I
will not go into details. Suffice it to say I was privy to them,
being the liner note writer on the project (which was a lot of fun!),
and they are that Ford became a complete, irrational prima donna and
would never again work for either Lucasfilm, Redman, or 20th Century
Fox.
In fact it brings me great joy that Fox deliberately excluded Ford,
contractually, from his true dream project: the 6CD Irwin Allen box set
put out by Crescendo two years ago. Fox and the producers simply would
not allow Ford any access to the material for fear of the havoc that
he would create.
Shortly after this I finally put my foot down and broke what I
consider to be the only abusive relationship I have ever been in, in my
entire life. One night I noticed that there was a person called
"Cuecutter" posting repeated and nasty messages on the Babylon 5
newsgroup in the most identifiable fractured English ever seen. Yes,
it could only be the work of Ford Thaxton - as anyone who reads
rec.music.movies knows, his style of non-writing is impossible for him
either to improve, or hide.
I identified "Cuecutter" as such, to the gratitude of the B5
denizens, and found myself being screamed at by Ford on the phone,
literally 15 minutes after I posted this revelation.
This would be the last time I would speak directly to Ford Thaxton.
Since then he has tried to call me and I always hang up instantly,
just as I always delete his e-mails without opening them. This was 1994.
***
Whatever whipping-boy function I once served for Ford is now
fulfilled by the innocent questioners and fans on rec.music.movies.
Although I rarely post to rmm, I do read it regularly, and I have seen
Ford attack, berate and illogically harass upwards of dozens of
innocent users. At the same time I see people come to Ford's defense
when attacked, because he is perceived as someone "in the know," which
is ludicrous. This is someone *loathed* by most, and only barely
tolerated by the rest. This is someone with a tin ear whose albums are
sheer idiocy, filled with incorrect takes and unreleasable edits.
On a Psych 101 level, this is someone whose entire life has seen him
abused, and thus he seeks instead to be the authority figure,
discplining others, to soothe his own pain. Although this is pitiable,
it is not acceptable. I know I'm one to talk about authority figures,
since I act as the same kind of dispenser of information via FILM SCORE
MONTHLY, but I would never approach the sheer malice and personal spite
of Ford -- a fact Ford does not understand, for I only focus my evil on
one person: him.
But there are many differences between us. I do not post several times
a day to correct people on matters of opinion, not fact. I do not
search dejanews to find incriminating information on people. I do not
call up episodes from the past (except with Ford!). I do not harass
Internet providers of people with whom I disagree, and I certainly do
not find people's HOME PHONE NUMBERS to berate them.
And contrary to what Ford repeatedly alleges, I am not without
humility. A lot of FSM to me is fun, and entertainment, and I am secure
enough in what I do not to care if I am criticized, just as I am sure
many composers do not care if I criticize them. Why would James Newton
Howard care if I give a CD of his a bad review? He might be interested,
he might disagree, but he's not going to go, how dare this person
disrespect me. I met James Newton Howard, he's really cool and I do
respect him. One of the most frustrating things is how Ford has
horrible tastes and needs to suck up to marginal composers, defending
them to his last breath, as a substitute for his lack of any worthwhile
intellectual contribution to film music.
OK, now I'm going in circles. I will end. I realize the distasteful
nature of this diatribe, which is why I did not post it to
rec.music.movies. But this is upwards of one-half a decade of venting.
If I think of any other Ford stories - there seem to be more daily - I
will add them. All I'll say is, you've gotta get me pretty riled up to
write anything this long about one person.
Lukas Kendall
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Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
Tim
one post asking about the Michael O'Hare thing. I've seen a few of
these Ford posts here and the fellow has obviously made himself
unpopular. But I always thought intelligent people countered offensive
views with proper arguments. It's children or developmentally delayed
adults who respond in this way.
--
Tim
____ "Which way did they go? ____
__|____>====_ How fast were they going? __|____>====_
\_____________> I must find them; \_____________>
D(_)(_)^^(_)^ I am their leader." D(_)(_)^^(_)^
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Dianne Heins
> This is truly pathetic. I've lurked here for a couple of weeks and made
> one post asking about the Michael O'Hare thing. I've seen a few of
> these Ford posts here and the fellow has obviously made himself
> unpopular. But I always thought intelligent people countered offensive
> views with proper arguments. It's children or developmentally delayed
> adults who respond in this way.
>
Not necessarily after *years* of the same drivel.
norv...@sirius.com
Really, this is what people here have had to listen to for years, over and
over, monomaniacally, so frankly, Tim, I'm glad that someone has all this
information about what Thaxton is really like. As for "It's children or
developmentally delayed adults who respond in this way," I hope you don't
think that Thaxton is in any way mature...
Fordat1
:ABOUT FORD THAXTON
Other then it's rather childish rant and full of incorrect information, it's
not even that well written.
It's worth noting that Mr. Kendall has run into me several times after writing
this and flees in fear when I wish to discuss this with him face to face..
Some folks don't like to face those they right about.
They even hide before screen names.
CRUSADE IS DEAD.
ENJOY IT WHILE YOU CAN.
Ford A. Thaxton (for...@aol.com)
Fordat1
So in yuor view, Two wrongs make a right?
Interesting.
Ford A. Thaxton (for...@aol.com)
Tammy Smith
BTW, Ford, you don't win if Crusade leaves the airwaves--people still
love B5, & it will return, as a feature-film! So give this anti-jms
stuff up--it's old, & it's pathetic!
Tammy
Fordat1
In article <MPG.120a2ef0828a81ec9896c6@news>, dhe...@pcisys.net wrote:
>Tim wrote...
>> This is truly pathetic. I've lurked here for a couple of weeks and made
>> one post asking about the Michael O'Hare thing. I've seen a few of
>> these Ford posts here and the fellow has obviously made himself
>> unpopular. But I always thought intelligent people countered offensive
>> views with proper arguments. It's children or developmentally delayed
>> adults who respond in this way.
>
> Not necessarily after *years* of the same drivel.
:Really, this is what people here have had to listen to for years, over and
:over, monomaniacally,
There is a major flaw in your logic.
NO ONE MAKES YOU READ WHAT I POST?
I Don't recall putting a gun to your head and making you read it.
Do you?
Feel free to ignore it.
Ford A. Thaxton (for...@aol.com)
Fordat1
Sorry, Tim--he deserved it!
:BTW, Ford, you don't win if Crusade leaves the airwaves--people still
l:ove B5, & it will return, as a feature-film! So give this anti-jms
;stuff up--it's old, & it's pathetic!
:Tammy
Tammy, it will be most amusing to return to you in about five years when you
say the exact same thing.
The trouble there won't be a B5 feature, it's just not in the cards.
It all comes to an end on Sept 1.
Ford A. Thaxton (for...@aol.com)
Tim
>
> Sorry, Tim--he deserved it!
I've seen other people who seem deranged with their posts and are
generally regarded as unstable contributers of nothing much. And you
are right, I haven't been here long so my tolerance level is much higher
at this point in time.
I just don't like seeing personal attacks. When the offender gets
really bad, I've really found it's best to killfile (not just post
endless posts of "I'm gonna killfile you, but first I have to say...")
or ignore and actually, the problem goes away, it really does. It's
just like the bully or show-off; if it has an audience it stays...
I feel that people's posts can be ridiculed but that it is still my
contention that anyone stooping to personal attacks is pretty
tiny-minded and those attacks degrade a NG's quality. A world of text
does allows one to be much braver and ruder than one would if you were
face to face with the source of torment.
Boy, what a proselytising self-righteous a$$h@le I am, huh? Sorry 8)
Jamie Wells
Fordat1 <for...@aol.com> wrote:
>:Originally posted by Lukas Kendall on January 28, 1998 at 01:05:30:
>
> :ABOUT FORD THAXTON
>
>Other then it's rather childish rant and full of incorrect information, it's
>not even that well written.
You, of course, being the expert in how to "right"(sp) well.
>
>It's worth noting that Mr. Kendall has run into me several times after writing
>this and flees in fear when I wish to discuss this with him face to face..
>
If he always flees, how do you know it's fear? Perhaps disgust;
he did say he would no longer speak to you.
>Some folks don't like to face those they right about.
>
He's already fed up with you, and I don't blame him.
>
>CRUSADE IS DEAD.
>
Yay!
>
>ENJOY IT WHILE YOU CAN.
>
No, I won't.
Berserker
Smith) wrote:
>Sorry, Tim--he deserved it!
Riiiight.
>
>BTW, Ford, you don't win if Crusade leaves the airwaves--people still
>love B5, & it will return, as a feature-film! So give this anti-jms
>stuff up--it's old, & it's pathetic!
As a feature film? Have you slammed your head in the car door
recently?
>
>Tammy
Berserker
This is ad hominem in the extreme, a complete non argument. What's
worse, it's a little frightening. Ford doesn't investigate JMS behind
the scenes for what he does. It's really disturbing that the B5
fandom wants to uphold the behavior of netstalkers like Lukas Kendall,
who can't distinguish between online prattle and invading the private
affairs of a person. I don't go online to have people snooping around
on me and I hope to god that most of the B5 fandom doesn't encourage
this.
Tammy Smith
Deal with it! :)
Tammy
Tammy Smith
I'm convinced that these two will twist anything I say around to suit
their anti-jms agenda, even saying that there won't be a B5 film when B5
has a growing following around the world. It would be absolutely stupid
of Warners not to do a film! And if it takes several years, well, it
was ten years at least before the first Trek film came out. Also, if
they think no one will work with jms because he is "difficult", funny,
James Cameron sure gets work, & he isn't a nice guy, from what I've
heard! Also, if they think jms is done because of Crusade, everyone has
successes & failures in Hollywood. If everyone was cast aside by the
studios after a failure, hardly anyone would be working! jms will be
back!
Tammy
Tammy Smith
where you got your information.
I've liked series that don't have a lot of fans, & B5 isn't like those
at all. I've been there--I know when a series isn't popular! I think
you're just doing a lot of wishful thinking here!
You haven't won, Ford, & you never will! Go harass some other famous
person, other than jms, who won't acknowledge you, okay?
Tammy
norv...@sirius.com
imra...@aol.com (ImRastro) wrote:
> Bezerker wrote:
>>This is ad hominem in the extreme, a complete non argument. What's
>>worse, it's a little frightening. Ford doesn't investigate JMS behind
>>the scenes for what he does. It's really disturbing that the B5
>>fandom wants to uphold the behavior of netstalkers like Lukas Kendall,
>>who can't distinguish between online prattle and invading the private
>>affairs of a person. I don't go online to have people snooping around
>>on me and I hope to god that most of the B5 fandom doesn't encourage
>>this.
Berserker, I know that certain people like to blame many evils on B5
fandom, but I used to be involved in "Doctor Who" fandom, and the craziest
things happened in that, offline and online. There are people I know in DW
fandom who'd think nothing of using what they know about fans against them
in real life. Some high-and-mighty princess on rec.arts.drwho went on a
crusade against someone who'd pissed her off -- in fact, it was just like
B5 fans trying to get Ford in trouble with AOL. ;-) Like, if this person
has made you angry, get [its] account pulled. Such outrageous behavior
happens offline, too (like the time when some DW fan I'd annoyed online
screamed across the room at me at a convention and had a snit the likes of
which have convinced me never to go to a con again!).
Then there were those *wonderful* "Blake's 7" fans who looked upon Paul
Darrow as God Incarnate, and when Paul went on a rampage against "adult"
B7 fanfic (despite writing an utterly crap book, himself, with rape on a
bloody floor), they jumped on the bandwagon and "outed" writers who wrote
under pseudonyms (or not). Just for writing what they pleased, a lot of
fans were wrecked in B7 fandom, and most of the trust was lost for a long
time in a fanatic civil war. I haven't been back to see if it's recovered.
As far as I can tell, B5 fandom is probably on its way toward joining its
British elders (like DW and B7) in that regard, but this could be typical
fannish politics anywhere, and I'm sure it's happened in Trek, too! (B5
fandom likes to quote the "building communities" line from B5, but I've
seen some inexcusable behavior.) I apologize for finding it halfway
amusing, when looked at from the perspective above. It's bad enough when
people post private e-mail because they're carrying a massive grudge
against someone, with no regard for privacy (which happened a lot with
r.a.dw people!)...
You're surprisingly rational up there, 'zerker... almost gives me some
respect for ya. ("That makes it all worthwhile," you can now say, like
Kerr Avon from "Blake's 7" <g>)
> Totally agree. Come on people, we don't know who this guy is or where he
> really gets his facts from. Even if every word is true (and hey, could be) It
> has no relevancy here. If you don't like Ford, don't read him. I think
> everyone knows that.
Yeah, I know. When I think about it more, from the years of other stuff
I've seen in other fandoms, it gives me creeps, pure and simple. I only
found it deserved because Ford makes too easy (and noisy) a target.
> One thing I can say for Ford though, he's never scared me....a person
who would
> post all this personal stuff does.
Hell hath no fury like a fannish person scorned. Man, after some of the
things I've seen in all these years in fandom (almost 20), I have no idea
why I *stay*. Must be perversity... ;-)
As I say, I've seen inexcusable behavior from B5 fans --
www.thestation.com got pretty much run into the ground because of bad
admin and rebellious fans waging war against it, and now I've seen another
site shut down because someone took a thestation.com war over there...
Gods, I LOVE fan politics!!
> BTW- I'm pretty sure this is a repost as it has appeared here before (unless I
> imagined it....)
> Makes me wonder why soemone felt they had to go to the trouble......
Probably trying to alert the newbies...
Tim Skirvin
> ABOUT FORD THAXTON
Watch it, folks. This thing could become cancellable spam far too
easily.
- Tim Skirvin (tski...@uiuc.edu)
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Theron Fuller
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>
>
> Originally posted by Lukas Kendall on January 28, 1998 at 01:05:30:
The major problem with an ad hominem attack such as this is that it's total
"tabloid journalism." I don't know who posted this. I don't know anything
about the person who proportedly wrote this account. Anybody with an
Internet account can post some garbage like this about anybody else.
Anybody, and that includes you, can be stalked by someone posting something
like this all over the Internet.
Regards,
Theron Fuller
Captain Infinity
In article <19990729134734...@ng-cg1.aol.com>
Fordat1 wrote:
>:Originally posted by Lukas Kendall on January 28, 1998 at 01:05:30:
>
> :ABOUT FORD THAXTON
>
>Other then it's rather childish rant and full of incorrect information, it's
>not even that well written.
>
>It's worth noting that Mr. Kendall has run into me several times after writing
>this and flees in fear when I wish to discuss this with him face to face..
>
>Some folks don't like to face those they right about.
You misspelled "they're".
>They even hide before screen names.
Who does that?
**
Captain Infinity
JMarien3
on Thu, 29 July 1999 02:11 PM EDT wrote:
<SNIP>
>I've seen other people who seem deranged with their posts and are
>generally regarded as unstable contributers of nothing much. And you
>are right, I haven't been here long so my tolerance level is much higher
>at this point in time.
>
>I just don't like seeing personal attacks. When the offender gets
>really bad, I've really found it's best to killfile (not just post
>endless posts of "I'm gonna killfile you, but first I have to say...")
>or ignore and actually, the problem goes away, it really does. It's
>just like the bully or show-off; if it has an audience it stays...
>
<SNIP THE REST>
Having read the Biography, some thoughts:
1) I have no idea on the level of truthfulness of the tale told there. Still
...
2) It's a personal attack, no matter how true. It's wrong for the flameboy
thaxton to do it to others (hell, to almost everyone!) and it's wrong to do it
to him ...
3) ... no matter how "justified" it may seem.
4) I'll judge the flameboy by his posts, and those are reprehensible at best
...
5) ... which is why I totally agree with Tim here that the "Ignore Option" is
the best way to handle the situation ...
6) ... as I first posted on 7 June and still maintain we should all do.
7) Leaving him ranting to an empty room, with no one listening, is the best way
to deal with the situation and also to deny him the attention he so desparately
craves.
Fordat1
:Yes, Ford, there will be a movie--B5 has too much of a following.
:Deal with it! :)
What following?
The ratings for CRUSADE are awful.
Sales of B5 product are heading south (Trust me on this one)
The main appeal of the show to males 35+
it's didn't do very well with woman.
There won't be a feature Tammy.
It would be alot of fun to remind of this in about 5 years.
Care to revisit it then?
Ford A. Thaxton (for...@aol.com)
ImRastro
>This is ad hominem in the extreme, a complete non argument. What's
>worse, it's a little frightening. Ford doesn't investigate JMS behind
>the scenes for what he does. It's really disturbing that the B5
>fandom wants to uphold the behavior of netstalkers like Lukas Kendall,
>who can't distinguish between
>online prattle and invading the private
>affairs of a person. I don't go online to have people snooping around
>on me and I hope to god that most of the B5 fandom doesn't encourage
>this.
Totally agree. Come on people, we don't know who this guy is or where he
really gets his facts from. Even if every word is true (and hey, could be) It
has no relevancy here. If you don't like Ford, don't read him. I think
everyone knows that. One thing I can say for Ford though, he's never scared
me....a person who would post all this personal stuff does. BTW- I'm pretty
Fordat1
:Suncoast said that the B5 videos are selling just fine, so I don't know
:where you got your information.
Many sources and I tend to be pretty much on the mark no matter how much you
don't like it.
:You haven't won, Ford, & you never will!
JMS lost his shows and his bridges to both TNT and WB.
It's a joy to behold.
:Go harass some other famous
:person, other than jms, who won't acknowledge you, okay?
:Tammy
JMS famous?
Only in B5 fandom, in the real world who knows him?
Ford A. Thaxton (for...@aol.com)
Patricia Woods
> Yes, Ford, there will be a movie--B5 has too much of a following.
>
> Deal with it! :)
>
> Tammy
I don't think you'll ever see a B5 movie. Tammy there really isn't
enough of
a fan base to warrant a movie. X-files was widely popular but the movie
didn't do very well. Of course, I'll be extremely happy if I'm proven
wrong
since I thought B5 was the best thing on TV, seasons 2-4 anyway.
Pat
Fordat1
N
Tammy Smith wrote:
Yet another example of a B5 fan not checking the facts before opening their
mouths.
"X-Files: Fight The Future" grossed 185 Million dollars World-Wide.
It is considered to be quite a success, so much so that Fox has already
greenlighted a sequel that I think is supposed to appear sometime in 2001.
Does anyone in their right mind think a B5 movie would gross even a fourth of
what X-Files did?
Regards
Ford A. Thaxton (for...@aol.com)
Patricia Woods
Fordat1 wrote:
I was thinking of North American and not World-Wide gross. And if
you bothered to read you will note that I said I didn't think there would
ever be a B5 movie. So as much as I hate it I'm agreeing with you.
And btw do not send me a cover e-mail. Responding to the group is
sufficient. I don't care to read your replies twice.
Pat
ay...@my-deja.com
Mud slinging is fine as long as it is our side that is doing it.
What a fine example as a crusaders you are.
>
> Tammy
>
>
-Amos Yung
ay...@my-deja.com
>
> Deal with it! :)
>
As evident from the tremendous rating that B5 and Crusade has been
getting, right?
But then again, since when do people need evidence or rational thoughts
to be a lunatic fan?
> Tammy
Ford at least has some sense of reality. You genuinely don't seem to be
capable of handling it at all. Your desparate and fanatic *need* for a
fantasy escape is one for the medical books.
Tim
Getting away from the negitivity of this thread, I'm not sure one could
do a movie of B5.
Other than the pilot (which I did not like one bit - my friends and I
saw it after watching tapes season 3 and 4) and A CAll to Arms, I feel
the TV movies hve not been all that good. Of course I watched and
enjoyed them, but the plots really contributed nothing to the B5 story
and they really seemed more like the Star Trek genre (no offense - I
love ST as well, though mostly the original series); that is
developments and events in the movie have no real effect on the series
as a whole - they are stand alone. In the Beginning was great when I
saw it, because I had not yet seen season 1 or 2 and therefore found it
enthralling, but it still was all by itself.
Similarly, because the story of B5 has been told, I don't even think a
movie would be appropriate.
--
Tim
____ "Which way did they go? ____
__|____>====_ How fast were they going? __|____>====_
\_____________> I must find them; \_____________>
D(_)(_)^^(_)^ I am their leader." D(_)(_)^^(_)^
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David Stinson
:This is truly pathetic. I've lurked here for a couple of weeks and made
:one post asking about the Michael O'Hare thing. I've seen a few of
:these Ford posts here and the fellow has obviously made himself
:unpopular. But I always thought intelligent people countered offensive
:views with proper arguments. It's children or developmentally delayed
:adults who respond in this way.
No, it was a quote from an article in an online magazine in the Movie Music
business, from someone who knows Ford and how he works in his business. It
wasn't just made up, but was a statement in reply to statements made by Ford
against the author of the article and his magazine.
Beleive me, when you've experienced Ford calling you a "lair" (Ford's
repetitive misspelling of "liar" for somewhere approaching the third
hundred times) and get to know his habits - you'll understand. I use to
predict at the end of my replies as to exactly how he would respond, which he
then did exactly as predicted.
I no longer reply ro him, now I just have him killfiled as not worth my
attention.
--
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David Stinson
:
:This is ad hominem in the extreme, a complete non argument. What's
:worse, it's a little frightening. Ford doesn't investigate JMS behind
:the scenes for what he does. It's really disturbing that the B5
:fandom wants to uphold the behavior of netstalkers like Lukas Kendall,
:who can't distinguish between online prattle and invading the private
:affairs of a person. I don't go online to have people snooping around
:on me and I hope to god that most of the B5 fandom doesn't encourage
:this.
Actually Lukas Kendall works in the same buisiness as Ford, and has dealt with
Ford and his actions in that business. You might want to check your facts.
Patricia Woods
> I am beginning to see the nastiness of this Thaxton fellow.
>
> Getting away from the negitivity of this thread, I'm not sure one could
> do a movie of B5.
>
> Other than the pilot (which I did not like one bit - my friends and I
> saw it after watching tapes season 3 and 4) and A CAll to Arms, I feel
> the TV movies hve not been all that good. Of course I watched and
> enjoyed them, but the plots really contributed nothing to the B5 story
> and they really seemed more like the Star Trek genre (no offense - I
> love ST as well, though mostly the original series); that is
> developments and events in the movie have no real effect on the series
> as a whole - they are stand alone. In the Beginning was great when I
> saw it, because I had not yet seen season 1 or 2 and therefore found it
> enthralling, but it still was all by itself.
>
> Similarly, because the story of B5 has been told, I don't even think a
> movie would be appropriate.
> --
> Tim
>
Yes, I agree. The story has been well told. I wouldn't mind seeing
thefurther adventures of G'kar and Lyta and maybe even David Sheridan's
story as a tv movie. But let's face it. That's highly unlikely. But as far
as a movie
well, there just isn't enough mass market appeal. Babylon 5 has only ever
had
a small fan base. To me the elements of B5 , the novel-like format, is what
was so intriguing about B5 but it also contributed to the low ratings. Most
casual viewers like to be able to watch an episode here and there and not
have to worry about missing next weeks episode. That was easy to do
with, for example Star Trek, but extremely difficult with B5.
I enjoyed In the Beginning but for me most of it was repetition. A
Call
to Arms wasn't bad, but the musical style of the score really took away
from
my enjoyment of the movie. I didn't mine Thirdspace as much as some, but
wish it had been written better. The premise was certainly intriguing.
River
of Souls was the worse of the lot. With JMS's track record with the tv
movies
one wonders what type of treatment he would give a motion picture. Maybe
it's better to leave well enough alone.
Pat
Tammy Smith
a following.
Tammy
Tammy Smith
in Hollywood don't acknowledge you, not "famous" people necessarily.
Suncoast said the videos were selling well. I'd sure like to know where
you got your information, but, as usual, you probably won't say.
Tammy
Fordat1
In article <37a2c432....@news.rhodes.edu>, berse...@hotmail.com wrote:
:
:This is ad hominem in the extreme, a complete non argument. What's
:worse, it's a little frightening. Ford doesn't investigate JMS behind
:the scenes for what he does. It's really disturbing that the B5
:fandom wants to uphold the behavior of netstalkers like Lukas Kendall,
:who can't distinguish between online prattle and invading the private
:affairs of a person. I don't go online to have people snooping around
:on me and I hope to god that most of the B5 fandom doesn't encourage
:this.
;Actually Lukas Kendall works in the same buisiness as Ford, and has ;dealt
with Ford and his actions in that business. You might want to ;check your
facts.
AS USUAL
Mr. Stinson is lying or just badly informed.
I'm a record producer with over eighty plus albums to my credit as well
producing the longerest running soundtrack radio seies in North America
Mr. Kendall is a fanzine publisher who started his own little CD Club
I will let the tone and content of his post speak for itself, which IMHO says
more about him and his state of mind then anything else
As for Mr. Stinson, his JMS asskissing has become legend.
--
David A. Stinson
Ford A. Thaxton (for...@aol.com)
Fordat1
wasn't just made up,
As a matter of fact most of the information contained is incorrect,wrong or
just flat out lies.
(You know about lying, don't you Mr. Stinson?)
I'll let the tone and content of it speak for itself.
Ford A. Thaxton (for...@aol.com)
Tammy Smith
What stupid logic!
Forget it--this place is just about being mean & negative. No matter
what I say, someone will have an insult ready. So why even bother
playing this stupid game?
Tammy
Fordat1
:
:Pat, I think you will be proven wrong--B5 now has time to build more of
:a following.
Reality Check:
The post in all B5 groups have fallen off BIG TIME
The ratings for CRUSADE are awful.
And you'll be saying the exact same thing 20 years from now.
And it still won't happen.
Ford A. Thaxton (for...@aol.com)
Berserker
Stinson) wrote:
>In article <37a2c432....@news.rhodes.edu>, berse...@hotmail.com wrote:
>:
>:This is ad hominem in the extreme, a complete non argument. What's
>:worse, it's a little frightening. Ford doesn't investigate JMS behind
>:the scenes for what he does. It's really disturbing that the B5
>:fandom wants to uphold the behavior of netstalkers like Lukas Kendall,
>:who can't distinguish between online prattle and invading the private
>:affairs of a person. I don't go online to have people snooping around
>:on me and I hope to god that most of the B5 fandom doesn't encourage
>:this.
>
>
>Actually Lukas Kendall works in the same buisiness as Ford, and has dealt with
>Ford and his actions in that business. You might want to check your facts.
Does that mean that he can't be a troll and a liar? If Lukas Kendall
worked in politics, could I trust everything he had to say about Bill
Clinton?
Andrew H. Litkowiak
> Yes, Ford, there will be a movie--B5 has too much of a following.
>
> Deal with it! :)
A following does not a movie make, not always.
I'll be pleased, but extremely suprised if a B5 theatre movie is made.
This just ain't Trek. The fan base may be dedicated, but it's pretty
darned small.
And, right or wrong, deserved or not, JMS appears to be getting a
reputation as someone who is "difficult to work with".
Who is going ot hand him $10-20 million without some major creative
strings attached?
A B5 movie? I'll go see it.
A Crusade style movie? I don't think so.
Andy Litkowiak
Fordat1
:So, thinking that B5 will get a film version makes me a fanatical fan?
:What stupid logic!
Not really.
Based on the available information,ratings,etc.
The chances of a feature film are about on par with winning the lottery.
Deal with it and move on.
Ford A. Thaxton (for...@aol.com)
Ryan Nock
seemed more like someone was poking a little fun at young master Thaxton.
It all seemed too contrived to be real, and I got a nice laugh out of it.
I'm laughing right now that most of you are taking this all so seriously.
Oh, and as for JMS not being known outside of Babylon 5 fans, he was
one of the primary guests at Chicago's Wizard World this past weekend,
promoting his new comic (or to the more enlightened, sequential art) series,
"Rising Stars." I got an advance copy from the convention, and it looks
nice. It wasn't colored, since they had to rush to get it ready for
promotion, but it still looks nice.
I don't think I'd want to see a Babylon 5 theatrical movie. If they
did it, they would have to do it soon, and preferably about the Teep War.
Other ideas include the last Shadow War with Babylon 4 (but that wouldn't
quite make sense, having no mention of Babylon 5 in the movie), or (here's
an idea I haven't heard thrown out yet) the story of Ivanova after she left
B5 for unrequited love (well, not quite, but that had something to do with
it).
I have a friend who posts a lot on another forum, and I intend to
fiddle with the Thaxton biography to make it a nice parody. Thank you,
series5, whoever you are.
norv...@sirius.com
JMS has taken to saying that he's in no hurry. (Is anyone hurrying him,
other than fans?) He claims that he won't make an effort to do one until
the "Star Wars" prequels are finished and out. Oh, help. Lucas is so
behind schedule, it could be 6 more years before we see the last one,
maybe more. I don't see that B5 will be much of a product in, say, 2005.
But then again, look at all the remakes we get of "old classics"... of
course, in cases like "The Avengers", the movie was absolute crap, while
the series was great fun. Not a good sign.
>Other than the pilot (which I did not like one bit - my friends and I saw
>it after watching tapes season 3 and 4) and A CAll to Arms, I feel the
>TV movies hve not been all that good.
I like "The Gathering" -- surprise. Seems that not a lot of people did. Of
course, it wasn't the first B5 I saw, since I joined in 2nd season. I have
no idea if I'd have liked it when it first came out.
"In the Beginning" was pretty good, though something seemed contrived.
Right, these characters meet each other during the war and don't remember
each other later? Whatever.
"A Call to Arms", I enjoyed.
"Thirdspace" was pretty much turdspace and "River of Souls" wasn't much to
my taste.
Frankly, I could happily have lost either "Thirdspace" or "River of Souls"
in exchange for a 2-hour version of "Sleeping in Light"... :-)
>Of course I watched and enjoyed them, but the plots really contributed
>nothing to the B5 story and they really seemed more like the Star Trek
>genre (no offense
I take no offense about that -- as far as I'm concerned, "Thirdspace"
might as well have been Trek. The only way I think it really impacted the
story was that it apparently destroyed a lot of ships, and thus diminished
the force available that went to take back Earth in late 4th season. But
they won, so it wasn't that much of an impact...
>that is developments and events in the movie have no real effect on the
>series as a whole - they are stand alone.
Other than "A Call to Arms" leading into "Crusade", I think you're right.
>because the story of B5 has been told, I don't even think a movie would
>be appropriate.
Agreed -- unless it could be about the Telepath War (which was *not* 5th
season with Byron, despite what some think; that was just the storm
building).
Diane K De
>Date: Fri, 30 July 1999 05:25 PM EDT
>Message-id: <norville-300...@ppp-sfx202--101.sirius.net>
>
>In article <37A19FB0...@morgan.ucs.mun.ca>, Tim
><tmar...@morgan.ucs.mun.ca> writes:
>>I'm not sure one could do a movie of B5.
>
>JMS has taken to saying that he's in no hurry. (Is anyone hurrying him,
>other than fans?)
Don't you think that the real reason is that Warner Brothers isn't particularly
interested?
Given the current situation, I doubt that JMS would or could hold them back if
they really were interested in making the movie.
Even if he did have that power, holding them back would be stupid. A bird in
the hand, etc.
He's not that stupid. In fact, I think he's a very savvy, smart guy. If there
was interest now, he'd be jumping at it. Six years from now B5 interest could
be nil and management at WB could be very unfriendly to the idea.
DD
Diane K De
>What stupid logic!
>
>what I say, someone will have an insult ready. So why even bother
>playing this stupid game?
>
>Tammy
>
I think many of us are being realistic and pragmatic, not negative.
I attended VOR last year and I loved Bruce Boxleitner's attitude about a movie.
He said he didn't see much of a possibility for it and that he'd believe it
when he sees a script.
As far as even Hollywood's awareness of Babylon 5, he has said at recent
conventions that many people he speaks to as he has gone out for other roles,
don't even know what he was doing for the last five years. Transcripts of this
are available somewhere on the net.
Like him, I am a pragmatic person. I have a wide circle of friends who aren't
SF fans and their awareness of B5 is very limited.
X-Files can earn money as a movie, but it has twelve times the number of TV
viewers as Babylon 5 had. The people in Hollywood would look at such things.
DD
norv...@sirius.com
dian...@aol.com (Diane K De) wrote:
>norv...@sirius.com wrote:
>>In article <37A19FB0...@morgan.ucs.mun.ca>,
>>Tim <tmar...@morgan.ucs.mun.ca> writes:
>>>I'm not sure one could do a movie of B5.
>>JMS has taken to saying that he's in no hurry. (Is anyone hurrying him,
>>other than fans?)
>
> Don't you think that the real reason is that Warner Brothers isn't
particularly
> interested?
Probably. I don't really buy that "wanting to wait for 'Star Wars' to
finish". I mean, Lucas will take forever about that, and after TPM, I'm
not sure I trust the quality of his future movies (though I enjoyed TPM
while seeing it). Waiting till 2005 (at least) seems a very strange idea.
> Given the current situation, I doubt that JMS would or could hold them back if
> they really were interested in making the movie.
> Even if he did have that power, holding them back would be stupid. A bird in
> the hand, etc.
> He's not that stupid. In fact, I think he's a very savvy, smart guy.
If there
> was interest now, he'd be jumping at it. Six years from now B5 interest could
> be nil and management at WB could be very unfriendly to the idea.
You might be surprised to hear this, Diane, since I usually seem to
disagree with you, but I do agree with this. :-)
nanorc
> >They even hide before screen names.
>
> Who does that?
Jaime.
Nanorc
...he's always been a bit of a freak
Blackhawk
<Infi...@world.std.com> wrote:
> Once Upon A Time,
> In article <19990730202005...@ng-cq1.aol.com>
> JMarien3 wrote:
>
> >The point of the flameboys' posts is the
> >attacks in them, not the opinions buried deep within them. When you
reply, they
> >just keep coming and coming, and you end up playing by their rules.
>
> Usenet is Battleship Bingo, and there *are no* rules. YAHTZEE!!!
hey, Hey, HEY WAITAMINUTE!!!
That Yahtsee fell on Park Place. You owe me rent bruthaa!
***
Blackhawk
Queen to Kings Bishop 1, check!
(The Rook has betrayed you)
JMarien3
>
>
>So, thinking that B5 will get a film version makes me a fanatical fan?
>What stupid logic!
>
>Forget it--this place is just about being mean & negative. No matter
>what I say, someone will have an insult ready. So why even bother
>playing this stupid game?
>
attacks in them, not the opinions buried deep within them. When you reply, they
just keep coming and coming, and you end up playing by their rules.
So, killswitch them. Ignore them.
Captain Infinity
>The point of the flameboys' posts is the
>attacks in them, not the opinions buried deep within them. When you reply, they
>just keep coming and coming, and you end up playing by their rules.
Usenet is Battleship Bingo, and there *are no* rules. YAHTZEE!!!
**
Captain Infinity
Patricia Woods
> Pat, I think you will be proven wrong--B5 now has time to build more of
> a following.
>
> Tammy
I hope that's true, but I'm not holding my breathe.
Pat
Mortis
<openbook-300...@ppp-asfm03--133.sirius.net>, in which
open...@sirius.com (Blackhawk) typed:
>
>That Yahtsee fell on Park Place. You owe me rent bruthaa!
Yeah, but I just hopped up and down three times in the Reversal Zone.
So fork over that rent.
JENGA!
Mortis
Master of the Unknown, KPS
Nebulosis Defunctus
"They groaned, they stirred, they all uprose,
Nor spake, nor moved their eyes;
It had been strange, even in a dream,
To have seen those dead men rise."
-The Rime of the Ancient Mariner
holef...@webtv.net
<<< Usenet is Battleship Bingo, and there *are no* rules. YAHTZEE!!!
hey, Hey, HEY WAITAMINUTE!!!
That Yahtsee fell on Park Place. You owe me rent bruthaa!
Yeah, but I just hopped up and down three times in the Reversal Zone. So
fork over that rent.
Mortis >>>
That boys and girls is the game of Life!
Mr. Hole a sick, perverted person. Callously fighting for miserable
bastards everywhere..................now with 25% more flavor in every
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How's your hole..........family?
sesquipedalian
ImRastro
>Pat, I think you will be proven wrong--B5 now has time to build more of
>a following.
That could be true. I can't predict the future....But you know, even though I
would really love to see a B5 movie, I don't think the premis of the show as it
ended really lends itself to that. I mean Star Trek ended with the crew of the
enterprize still flying around space just like they always had. A wide open
field. Not so with B5 which has wrapped up most of its history. The only
possible movie I could really see would be the psycore war......But that would
be a good one.
David E. Powell
Fordat1 wrote in message <19990730123034...@ng-bj1.aol.com>...
>From: gka...@webtv.net (Tammy Smith)
>:
>:Pat, I think you will be proven wrong--B5 now has time to build more of
>:a following.
>
norv...@sirius.com
>>The post in all B5 groups have fallen off BIG TIME
Ford, ever think that maybe you chased some people away from here? Nah,
how could that be? :-)
>>The ratings for CRUSADE are awful.
Well, considering TNT is on a relatively limited number of cable
systems... <shrug> I'm "lucky" in that they're part of my basic cable in
this area.
>>And you'll be saying the exact same thing 20 years from now.
So will you, Ford.
>>And it still won't happen.
And you'll be just as boring then as you are now, so there you go.
> How long did it take for Star Trek to have a Movie Made?
Well, that was "Star Trek", so that was a special case.
Considering two of the B5 TV-movies made, I'd rather a movie *not* be
done, which I've already said. I don't think one will be done. We'll see.
Fordat1
:How long did it take for Star Trek to have a Movie Made?
10 years, however you really shouldn't use that as an example.
CLASSIC TREK appealed to a very young demo when it was first one.
Mostly from 10 to 24 year olds.
B5 main appeal was males 35+.
In ten years time they'll be in their late 40's.
That audience doesn't go to feature films anywhere near as much as 20 to 30
year olds's do.
In short B5 demo's aren't going to get someone to spend 40 million dollars on a
feature.
That's show biz.
Ford A. Thaxton (for...@aol.com)
Fordat1
In article <#k3MMLI3#GA.58@cpmsnbbsa03>, "David E. Powell"
<David_Po...@email.msn.com> wrote:
>Fordat1 wrote in message <19990730123034...@ng-bj1.aol.com>...
>>Reality Check:
>>The post in all B5 groups have fallen off BIG TIME
Ford, ever think that maybe you chased some people away from here? Nah,
how could that be? :-)
>>The ratings for CRUSADE are awful.
:Well, considering TNT is on a relatively limited number of cable
:systems... <shrug> I'm "lucky" in that they're part of my basic cable in
:his area.
Well it's nice to see that you really haven't checked your facts.
TNT is THE BIGGEST cable network out there, it's available to about 80 percent
of households with basic cable.
As opposed to say The Sci-Fi channel which is only in about 50% of households.
In short, TNT has a very large available audience.
>>And you'll be saying the exact same thing 20 years from now.
:So will you, Ford.
In 20 years I suspect CRUSADE will have faded in TV rerun history.
A small footnote at best.
>>And it still won't happen.
:And you'll be just as boring then as you are now, so there you go.
The truth bores you?
:-)
Ford A. Thaxton (for...@aol.com)
norv...@sirius.com
imra...@aol.com (ImRastro) wrote:
> Ford wrote:
>>In 20 years I suspect CRUSADE will have faded in TV rerun history.
>
> wasn't enough to ever get re-run. Diane probably knows.
I remember that "Battlestar Galactica" only lasted 17 eps, yet, oddly
enough, it was rerun for years in syndication. (I don't have Sci-Fi
Channel on my system, but I've heard that they still play it sometimes.) I
think it was a special case of some sort, because it did actually have a
fandom. <shrug>
I don't expect "Crusade" to be anywhere near that lucky. I expect it to be
remembered the same way that BG fans remember "Galactica: 1980" (which
lasted 6 or 7 eps), in fact. What a shame for B5 to have a bastard
child... (Personally, I don't think that "Crusade" is the utter drek that
G:80 was. But it *is* rather depressing.)
V
>
>Ford wrote:
>
>>In 20 years I suspect CRUSADE will have faded in TV rerun history.
>
>With only 13 eps it probably won't make it even that far. I thought that
>wasn't enough to ever get re-run. Diane probably knows.
Oh, I'm sure she thinks she does.
V
ImRastro
Fordat1
N
In article <19990803214801...@ng-cp1.aol.com>,
:I remember that "Battlestar Galactica" only lasted 17 eps, yet, oddly
:enough, it was rerun for years in syndication. (I don't have Sci-Fi
:Channel on my system, but I've heard that they still play it sometimes.) I
:think it was a special case of some sort, because it did actually have a
fandom. <shrug>
Can't this B5 bozo's at least get the facts right for a change?
BSG run for a total of 22 episodes in it's original network or 24 episodes in
syndication (If you break up the opening episode into three one hour shows).
Galactica 1980 run for Seven Episodes.
:I don't expect "Crusade" to be anywhere near that lucky. I expect it to be
:remembered the same way that BG fans remember "Galactica: 1980" :(which lasted
6 or 7 eps), in fact. What a shame for B5 to have a bastard
:child... (Personally, I don't think that "Crusade" is the utter drek that
:G:80 was. But it *is* rather depressing.)
No it's worse then G:80, but not by much.
Ford A. Thaxton (for...@aol.com)
King John I of Nevada
I have seen in a LONG LONG time.
Ford, for cryin out loud, don't you have ANYTHING better to do then
spend time with a group of people who, by enlarge, detest you or ignore
you or who just plain can't stand you?
As for those of us who only think that B5, Crusade, etc. are just
entertainment and not worth a tizzy over, can we PRETTY PLEASE just
skip fordat1 and try to enjoy ourselves? Please? Please? Pretty please?
huh? Can we, huh?
Toodles,
John
--
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Zabana Brandon
Brandon Williford
Prolix68
King John I of Nevada
Zabana Brandon
>
> In article <37AA85...@telusplanet.net>,
> prol...@telusplanet.net wrote:
> > Dear Mr. King John of Nevada;
> >
> > It seems that we have both fallen off of the wagon.
> > ('cept I took mine across an ocean ... oops).
> >
> > Perhaps it's time for a meeting.
> >
> > With warmest regards,
> >
> > Zabana Brandon
> > Brandon Williford
> > Prolix68
> >
> I *just* *couldn't* *take* *it* *ANYMORE*!!!
I completely understand. Once I learned that he took
his raves about Crusade across the Atlantic ... :)
Ice
>
> Tim wrote...
> > This is truly pathetic. I've lurked here for a couple of weeks and made
> > one post asking about the Michael O'Hare thing. I've seen a few of
> > these Ford posts here and the fellow has obviously made himself
> > unpopular. But I always thought intelligent people countered offensive
> > views with proper arguments. It's children or developmentally delayed
> > adults who respond in this way.
> >
>
> Not necessarily after *years* of the same drivel.
It has been years. I've only recently checked in again on this group and
Ford hasn't changes his whine or hatred or writing style at all. I
recognized the seperated sentences and unsupported statements immediately.
He was wrong about every prediction he made for B5(and unapologetic I
suspect), and he seems to be no less obsessed with personal and professional
attacks on JMS than he was years ago.
As far as making himself unpopular with us... Anyone else remember Ford
"sharing" articles from AOL's Star Trek groups anti-Babylon5 folder? This
came after endless claims of the greater character of ST fans over B5 fans.
I just can't imagine everything being "right" for this person. The biography
may be in error, but I wouldn't be surprised if it were correct. By past
habits, Ford would jump all over it if it was wrong, even for just a
spelling error as if that in some way negated the entire message.
And it had gone on for years.
Ice