YES !!! New B5 Group
Ed Redondo
Date: 26 Mar 1996 16:22:43 -0500
Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers
RESULT
moderated group rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated passes 2241:109
There were 2241 YES votes and 109 NO votes, for a total of 2350 valid
votes.
There were 3 abstains and 14 invalid ballots.
For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO)
votes. There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes.
There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted. If
no
serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of
news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly thereafter.
This RESULT posting has been broken into three articles to keep each
message under 64 kilobytes in length.
Newsgroups line:
rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated Babylon 5 creators meet Babylon 5
fans. (Moderated)
This was being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about
this proposal should be directed to the proponent.
Proponent: Jay Denebeim <dene...@deepthot.cary.nc.us>
Proponent: Chris Carter <car...@teleport.com>
Proponent: David Stinson <dsti...@ix.netcom.com>
Proponent: G. O. Eddore <ghar...@ccshp1.ccs.csus.edu>
Proponent: John Pietrzak <piet...@escalante.cs.byu.edu>
Proponent: John Schilling <schi...@spock.usc.edu>
Mentor: John Pimentel <pime...@roots.ultranet.com>
Votetaker: Warren Lavallee <war...@Syra.NET>
RATIONALE: rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated
For the past few years, the rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5 newsgroup has been
a thriving resource and conversational outlet for the fans of the
television program BABYLON 5. However, in recent months the
proliferation of flame posts, USENET spam, deliberate trolling,
and accidental and purposeful posting of spoilers have made a
congenial discussion of the show difficult.
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* The plots and characters of Babylon 5 episodes.
* Musings and speculations about where the show is going.
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The difference between speculation and story ideas can be rather
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1) Story Ideas
2) Flames
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For example:
If Morden is afraid of green penguins, and Draal is shown to have
access to them, a speculation would be that Draal will use them
against Morden in the future. However if Draal only has a purple
moose, saying that he could use it against Morden would be a story
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====================================== Ed Redondo ============
Jay Denebeim
Ed Redondo <evrw...@powergrid.electriciti.com> wrote:
>There were 2241 YES votes and 109 NO votes, for a total of 2350 valid
>votes.
>There were 3 abstains and 14 invalid ballots.
BTW this is the HIGHEST voter turnout for a non-controversial vote in
history to the tune of about 500 votes. The previous holder was the
great linux reorganization.
Jay
--
Jay Denebeim dene...@deepthot.cary.nc.us
duke.edu!wolves!deepthot!denebeim
Fuck censorship! Oh *shit* there goes another 100, er $200,000
michael kelly
dene...@deepthot.cary.nc.us (Jay Denebeim) writes:
|> Ed Redondo <evrw...@powergrid.electriciti.com> wrote:
|>
|> >There were 2241 YES votes and 109 NO votes, for a total of 2350 valid
|> >votes.
|> >There were 3 abstains and 14 invalid ballots.
|>
|> BTW this is the HIGHEST voter turnout for a non-controversial vote in
|> history to the tune of about 500 votes. The previous holder was the
|> great linux reorganization.
What do you mean by non-controversial? All the noise in these parts
seemed to indicate controversy.
The first .startrek reorg (both of them!) had multi-K votes.
What was the turnout on the "macedonia" vote?
--
+ Mike Kelly, Notre Dame Department of Physics mke...@ovid.helios.nd.edu +
+ +
+ Oh, and never mind the words, just hum along and keep on going. +
+ - Ian Anderson +
porkm...@usa.pipeline.com
'mke...@titanium.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly)' wrote:
>
>dene...@deepthot.cary.nc.us (Jay Denebeim) writes:
>
>|> Ed Redondo <evrw...@powergrid.electriciti.com> wrote:
>|>
>|> >There were 2241 YES votes and 109 NO votes, for a total of 2350 valid
>|> >votes.
>|> >There were 3 abstains and 14 invalid ballots.
>|>
>|> BTW this is the HIGHEST voter turnout for a non-controversial vote in
>|> history to the tune of about 500 votes. The previous holder was the
>|> great linux reorganization.
>
>What do you mean by non-controversial? All the noise in these parts
>seemed to indicate controversy.
>
>The first .startrek reorg (both of them!) had multi-K votes.
>
>What was the turnout on the "macedonia" vote?
>
>+ Mike Kelly, Notre Dame Department of Physics mke...@ovid.helios.nd.edu
+
>+
+
>+ Oh, and never mind the words, just hum along and keep on going.
+
>+ - Ian Anderson
The "macedonia" vote? Sorry, don't get it. Hey Mike, I agree with you,
just didn't get the sarcastic humor (I'm guessing it was sarcasm, and I'm
guessing it was humor...maybe I'm wrong on both counts). You wacky
Fighting Irish. And Jethro Tull? Come on. If we're going to talk about
70's groups with instruments that don't belong, give me Electric Light
Orchestra. Now *there's* some music I can listen to. Get rid of that
wussy flute.
-A.J. Tucker-
>
Thomas J Lee
JD>BTW this is the HIGHEST voter turnout for a non-controversial vote in
JD>history to the tune of about 500 votes. The previous holder was the
JD>great linux reorganization.
This was a non-controversial vote?
Just so my signature isn't longer than my message, I'd like to
thank you and the others for all the hard work past (getting the
moderated group created) and all the hard work to come (moderating the
durn thing). Best of luck, hope the software works, and I'll be lurking
with all the rest of them when April 2nd rolls around. I'll probably
stay here too, unless it proves to be a waste of my time.
Tom Lee (tj...@columbia.edu) | My wife says I obsess about Babylon 5.
Audiovisual and Computer Lab Support | I think she's a Shadow agent. :-)
Columbia University Law School Library | Quotation of the Day follows ...
"Mothers of large families (who claim to common sense)
Will find a Tiger well repay the trouble and expense."
-- Hilaire Belloc
Jay Denebeim
michael kelly <mke...@titanium.helios.nd.edu> wrote:
>What do you mean by non-controversial? All the noise in these parts
>seemed to indicate controversy.
From the UVV's WWW site:
Record for most votes cast for a single CFV: 3236 votes, set by
soc.support.youth.gay-lesbian-bi, October-November 1994, votetaker:
Ron Dippold (rdip...@qualcomm.com)
Record for most votes cast for a single non-controversial CFV: 1824
votes, set by comp.os.linux reorganization, July-August 1993,
votetaker: Ian Kluft (ikl...@amdahl.com)
So, controversial in this context means controversial topic. B5 is
not what I would call controversial. rec.music.white-power (who will
probably beat us) is.
David Stinson
dene...@deepthot.cary.nc.us (Jay Denebeim) wrote:
:In article <4jeog9$4...@news.nd.edu>,
:michael kelly <mke...@titanium.helios.nd.edu> wrote:
:
:>What do you mean by non-controversial? All the noise in these parts
:>seemed to indicate controversy.
:
:From the UVV's WWW site:
:
:Record for most votes cast for a single CFV: 3236 votes, set by
:soc.support.youth.gay-lesbian-bi, October-November 1994, votetaker:
:Ron Dippold (rdip...@qualcomm.com)
:
:Record for most votes cast for a single non-controversial CFV: 1824
:votes, set by comp.os.linux reorganization, July-August 1993,
:votetaker: Ian Kluft (ikl...@amdahl.com)
:
:So, controversial in this context means controversial topic. B5 is
:not what I would call controversial. rec.music.white-power (who will
:probably beat us) is.
:
:Jay
Well, the srj proposal that was in there while our was, would probably have
broken the controversial at 20,000+ votes, but its under question due to
alleged fraud...
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Sue
>In article <4jcvfj$1sc2...@cs1.electriciti.com>,
>Ed Redondo <evrw...@powergrid.electriciti.com> wrote:
>>There were 2241 YES votes and 109 NO votes, for a total of 2350 valid
>>votes.
>>There were 3 abstains and 14 invalid ballots.
>BTW this is the HIGHEST voter turnout for a non-controversial vote in
>history to the tune of about 500 votes. The previous holder was the
>great linux reorganization.
>Jay
>--
>Jay Denebeim dene...@deepthot.cary.nc.us
> duke.edu!wolves!deepthot!denebeim
>Fuck censorship! Oh *shit* there goes another 100, er $200,000
Hey Jay!
Who said these newsgroups (rastb5 and rastb5.mod) was not
controversial?? Whoever it was hasn't been checking out the
moderation threads in discussion over here! : - )
BTW the bantering tone who have been useing the past day or two on
some of the other threads has been quite refreshing. Didn't know you
had it in ya! : - )
---
Sue sue.bi...@sympatico.ca
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