SPOILERS: Legacies and the Earth-Minbari War
Bernard HP Gilroy
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When Sinclair asks the Minbari general/aide/whatever, "You'd
start a war over this?", he responds, "Why not? That's what caused
the last one." (Or some such.) Then Garibaldi jumps in with, "The
death of Duhkat was an accident" or something similar.
Question: How does this make sense in light of "Soul Hunter".
My impression from _that_ episode is that Dukhat died at the Line. He
was certainly on a Minbari cruiser there. Does this mean Earth Force
killed him (accidentally or not) and then the Minbari carted his body
around as a sort of propoganda thing? How long must someone be dead
before he's beyond the reach of a Soul Hunter? (On this line, Keroon
or whatever his name was said something about the missing body
interfering with the dead general's reincarnation but I didn't catch
it.)
My recollection of "Soul Hunter" is hazy so perhaps someone
can explain the apparent contradictions?
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Bernard HP Gilroy | man and more a fool who's not afraid
gil...@leland.stanford.edu | of rejection." -- Billy Joel
Opinions expressed are mine but subject to unnotified change.
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brett jaffee
> There was something which struck me during "Legacies"...
> but first, these words from our sponsors...
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> When Sinclair asks the Minbari general/aide/whatever, "You'd
> start a war over this?", he responds, "Why not? That's what caused
> the last one." (Or some such.) Then Garibaldi jumps in with, "The
> death of Duhkat was an accident" or something similar.
> Question: How does this make sense in light of "Soul Hunter".
> My impression from _that_ episode is that Dukhat died at the Line. He
> was certainly on a Minbari cruiser there. Does this mean Earth Force
> killed him (accidentally or not) and then the Minbari carted his body
> around as a sort of propoganda thing? How long must someone be dead
> before he's beyond the reach of a Soul Hunter? (On this line, Keroon
> or whatever his name was said something about the missing body
> interfering with the dead general's reincarnation but I didn't catch
> it.)
I don't recall anything that indicated that Dukhat died at the line. From
what we've heard, I think that Dukhat was gravely injurd at the first
encountered, and died on Minbari, or on some other Minbari world.
Brett
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In article <30mg4p$h...@nntp2.Stanford.EDU> Bernard HP Gilroy,
gil...@leland.Stanford.EDU writes:
> Question: How does this make sense in light of "Soul Hunter".
>My impression from _that_ episode is that Dukhat died at the Line. He
>was certainly on a Minbari cruiser there. Does this mean Earth Force
>killed him (accidentally or not) and then the Minbari carted his body
>around as a sort of propoganda thing? How long must someone be dead
>before he's beyond the reach of a Soul Hunter? (On this line, Keroon
>or whatever his name was said something about the missing body
>interfering with the dead general's reincarnation but I didn't catch
>it.)
The way I read it is that it now seems that Dukhat (sp?) was mortally
wounded in the first, violent encounter between Earth and Minbari (what's
the Minbari homeworld called, anyway?), and taken from the scene to
somewhere else where the soul hunters tried to save his soul. The Minbari
prevented that. The events are separate.
OR, Dukhat was already dead, and the ship carrying his body was destroyed
by Earth accidently.
jes sum thawts...
sparky
gh...@wam.umd.edu
Bernard HP Gilroy <gil...@leland.Stanford.EDU> wrote:
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> When Sinclair asks the Minbari general/aide/whatever, "You'd
>start a war over this?", he responds, "Why not? That's what caused
>the last one." (Or some such.) Then Garibaldi jumps in with, "The
>death of Duhkat was an accident" or something similar.
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>My impression from _that_ episode is that Dukhat died at the Line. He
>was certainly on a Minbari cruiser there. Does this mean Earth Force
>killed him (accidentally or not) and then the Minbari carted his body
>around as a sort of propoganda thing? How long must someone be dead
>before he's beyond the reach of a Soul Hunter? (On this line, Keroon
>or whatever his name was said something about the missing body
>interfering with the dead general's reincarnation but I didn't catch
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do you mean: "Is Dukhat this guy in Legacies" ?
if so, then : no, some other Minbari
> My recollection of "Soul Hunter" is hazy so perhaps someone
>can explain the apparent contradictions?
><b|Hp|g> | "I really wish I was less of a thinking
>Bernard HP Gilroy | man and more a fool who's not afraid
>gil...@leland.stanford.edu | of rejection." -- Billy Joel
>Opinions expressed are mine but subject to unnotified change.
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> When Sinclair asks the Minbari general/aide/whatever, "You'd
> start a war over this?", he responds, "Why not? That's what caused
> the last one." (Or some such.) Then Garibaldi jumps in with, "The
> death of Duhkat was an accident" or something similar.
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> Question: How does this make sense in light of "Soul Hunter".
> My impression from _that_ episode is that Dukhat died at the Line. He
> was certainly on a Minbari cruiser there. Does this mean Earth Force
> killed him (accidentally or not) and then the Minbari carted his body
> around as a sort of propoganda thing?
> How long must someone be dead before he's beyond the reach of a Soul Hunter?
Well Delenn was being drained as she was dying. I don't think souls hang
around very long after the body dies. I would say the Soul Hunter has to
be there at the moment of death.
> Bernard HP Gilroy
The Soul Hunter stated "You created a wall of bodies." to prevent him
from getting the soul of Dukhat. I'm a wondering here if the wall of
bodies means the deaths that occured on the Battle of the Line.
The Minbari after all dead need to produce alot of deaths to confuse the
Soul Hunter. What better way than to blitz earth..
Wars have been fought over sillier things.
"Incredible. You would plan such a thing? You would do such a thing?"
Up until now we've assumed he's speaking in the future tense. Maybe
he was talking about something that has already happened.
-- GSH
For those watching Babylon 5 in the UK...
"Beware the censors... There is a hole in your episode."
Steven Sharp
We had information from various sources that a) an important Minbari, possibly
a member of the Grey Council, was killed in the incident that started the war,
and b) the Minbari commander at the Line committed suicide around the time of
the surrender. Most of us assumed that the Dukhat that the Soul Hunter made
reference to was the second person. Legacies informs us that he was the first.
Apparently he must not have died instantly in the incident, unless the Soul
Hunter was trying to fight his way toward Dukhat while it was going on.
Andrew J. Jackson
started with a bad first contact. The Minbari did something they thought
was non-aggressive, but the Earth ship thought otherwise and fired.
In the beginning of the episode, the station goes to battle stations when
the Minbari war crusier approaches with its gun ports opened. Delenn
arrived just in time to explain that with the body of a prominent Minbari
on board, the open gun ports is a gesture akin to our missing man
formation.
What if during the first contact incident the body of Dukhat was on board the
Minbari ship, with its gun ports opened, and the Earth vessel go a VERY
nervous? Any comments?
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Andrew J. Jackson "First Law of Crisis:
ajac...@keck.tamu.edu Panic about one thing at a time!
-- Dr. Who (#5)
gh...@wam.umd.edu
ahh...except for the fact that the general consensus is that Dukhat
died BECAUSE OF the First Contact mishap (understatement!)