Whitestars vs Earth Cruisers: Episode Inconsistency
Datalore
episodes. It's a question that came to mind when I was RE-watching the 4th
season episodes concerning the Earth civil war.
Background:
Fact 1: In more than one earlier episodes, we were told by Sheridan that
during the Earth-Minbari War, the Earth Alliance Heavy Cruisers (such as his
ship, the Agamemnon) could never get a "target lock" on a MINBARI heavy
cruiser because the Minbari had some kind of "stealth technology" that Earth
could never figure out.
Fact 2: Early in Season 2 there was an episode (I forgot the name) in which
a renegade Minbari Cruiser (the Tregati) tried to provoke Sheridan into a
fire fight. When Sheridan saw that the Starfury's were getting CLEAR TARGET
LOCKS on the Minbari fighters, he saw that the Tregati were inviting
suicide -- wanting to go down in battle -- otherwise they'd be using their
stealth technology. When he called their bluff and did NOT initiate
hostilities against the charging Minbari fighters, they did NOT fire at the
Starfurys and simply returned to the mother ship. THE WAY SHERIDAN PRESENTS
HIS REASONING CLEARLY INDICATES that even 10 years after the Minbari War was
over, EARTH SHIPS STILL did not have the "anti-stealth" technology to get a
target lock on a Minbari ship.
FACT 3: The Whitestar ships were constructed -- we were told many times --
with a COMBINATION of Minbari and VORLON technology.
FACT 4: During the Earth Civil War, Earth Alliances destroyers had NO
problem locking onto Sheridan's White Star ships, and destroyed dozens of
them.
QUANDARY: This makes NO SENSE. Shouldn't Whitestar ships be AT LEAST as
technologically advanced as 10 year old Minbari Cruisers. After all, VORLON
technology was THOUSANDS of years more advanced. A ship with COMBINED
technology should at least have the Minbari "stealth technology" that proved
so effective against Earth Ships in the Earth-Minbari war. AND YET those
same 10 year old Earth ships are now able to get a clear target lock on
Whitestar ships and blow them apart (quite dramatically -- special effects
wise- I would add).
So what happened JMS? Did the designers of the Whitestar forget that "tiny
little detail?" Or did you intentionally overlook it to make the war harder
for Sheridan to win? It seems that he'd have been much better off with a
fleet of surplus Minbari Cruisers that would have been impervious to Earth
attach; he could have knocked out the engines of every Earth ship from B5 to
Mars and arrested President Clark in time to be back at B5 for dinner.
Anyone want to take a stab at this? (No, not in the Narn style)
jere7my tho?rpe
<abga...@earthlink.net> wrote:
*FACT 3: The Whitestar ships were constructed -- we were told many times --
*with a COMBINATION of Minbari and VORLON technology.
*
*FACT 4: During the Earth Civil War, Earth Alliances destroyers had NO
*problem locking onto Sheridan's White Star ships, and destroyed dozens of
*them.
*
*QUANDARY: This makes NO SENSE.
*
*Anyone want to take a stab at this? (No, not in the Narn style)
In "The Face of the Enemy," when Sheridan finally gets back on the
bridge of the Agamemnon, her captain tells him that the Aggie's sensors
have been specially upgraded to track him. To me, that says that the EA
developed a way to counteract Minbari stealth technology sometime between
seasons 2 and 4--probably through the use of Shadow technology.
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> In "The Face of the Enemy," when Sheridan finally gets back on the
> bridge of the Agamemnon, her captain tells him that the Aggie's sensors
> have been specially upgraded to track him. To me, that says that the EA
> developed a way to counteract Minbari stealth technology sometime between
> seasons 2 and 4--probably through the use of Shadow technology.
>
>
Well, if you remember, the season 2 premire, "Points of Departure", Sheridan
asks Ivanova, what kind of tracking system they had installed. Well that should
have indicated that they made advances in EA tracking systems.
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>
> Here's a brain teaser for all of you who look for inconsistencies between
> episodes. It's a question that came to mind when I was RE-watching the 4th
> season episodes concerning the Earth civil war.
>
> Background:
>
> Fact 1: In more than one earlier episodes, we were told by Sheridan that
> during the Earth-Minbari War, the Earth Alliance Heavy Cruisers (such as his
> ship, the Agamemnon)
Actually, no. Agamenon was the first Omega Destroyer to come off the
lines
after the War. And she's been upgraded since. That's stated in the first
"ISN" episode in season II or III ("And now for a word" I think it's
called).
> FACT 4: During the Earth Civil War, Earth Alliances destroyers had NO
> problem locking onto Sheridan's White Star ships, and destroyed dozens of
> them.
>
> QUANDARY: This makes NO SENSE. Shouldn't Whitestar ships be AT LEAST as
> technologically advanced as 10 year old Minbari Cruisers. After all, VORLON
> technology was THOUSANDS of years more advanced. A ship with COMBINED
> technology should at least have the Minbari "stealth technology" that proved
> so effective against Earth Ships in the Earth-Minbari war. AND YET those
> same 10 year old Earth ships are now able to get a clear target lock on
> Whitestar ships and blow them apart (quite dramatically -- special effects
> wise- I would add).
>
> So what happened JMS? Did the designers of the Whitestar forget that "tiny
> little detail?" Or did you intentionally overlook it to make the war harder
> for Sheridan to win? It seems that he'd have been much better off with a
> fleet of surplus Minbari Cruisers that would have been impervious to Earth
> attach; he could have knocked out the engines of every Earth ship from B5 to
> Mars and arrested President Clark in time to be back at B5 for dinner.
>
> Anyone want to take a stab at this? (No, not in the Narn style)
I wondered about that my self for a little while. But then I concluded
that it was an acceptable progression. Why? Here you go:
Earth was under the influence of the shadows. Shadows could lock on to
whitestars all day long. Since the Shadows wanted to proliferate the
fighting, it's reasonable to me that they passed along a quick and
dirty upgrade that allowed ships to do so. If that's unreasonable
to some, well then consider this:
Earth did have shadow tech in their posession (which they later
studied and used to create some hybrid destroyers toward the
end of season IV). Makes sense to me that one of the bright
boys and girls in R&D back on Earth learned a new thing or two
and used to make put out the upgrade. Or if that's too much of
a strech, consider this:
Earth had know about the problem since the war. We also know that
generally B5 didn't top of the line star furries. The Starfurries
may have been hold overs from the actually war tehcnology and did
get the new sensor package that allow detection and tracking of
Minbari ships. And, also take note of the fact that the sensor
suite on a starfurys than capitol ships do. Note that B5 itself
didn't seem to have too much trouble locking onto the Tragati (sp?).
And if that fails, then there this:
It was war time. The greatest source of technological and tactical
breakthroughs durring wartime is frustrated junior officers. Where
there's a will, there's a way.
What I do find disturbing is that you're quite right. Not one
mention of this is brought up durring the show. Now I don't
know wheather it was an over sight on the part of JMS or wound
up on the cutting room floor, but it sure would have been nice
to hear some, if not any, reference to it.
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> FACT 4: During the Earth Civil War, Earth Alliances destroyers had NO
> problem locking onto Sheridan's White Star ships, and destroyed dozens of
> them.
This is not exactly correct, only one WS was shown to be destroyed while
crashing into a normal destroyer, the three others seen were hit by the
advanced destroyers. So I figure that the Shadows may have helped the EA
not only with their armour but more early with scanners to detect Minbari
and Vorlon ships. This seems logical to me, as the Shadows sure wanted the
EA to be able to fight these!
Werner Spahl (ui2...@sun1.lrz-muenchen.de)
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Werner Spahl
> Well, if you remember, the season 2 premire, "Points of Departure", Sheridan
> asks Ivanova, what kind of tracking system they had installed. Well that should
> have indicated that they made advances in EA tracking systems.
Probably the B5 tracking system itself was updated later when the new
defense grid was installed.
Eric DeFonso
Werner Spahl <ui2...@mail.lrz-muenchen.de> wrote:
>On Thu, 8 Oct 1998, Datalore wrote:
>
>> FACT 4: During the Earth Civil War, Earth Alliances destroyers had NO
>> problem locking onto Sheridan's White Star ships, and destroyed dozens of
>> them.
>
>This is not exactly correct, only one WS was shown to be destroyed while
>crashing into a normal destroyer, the three others seen were hit by the
>advanced destroyers. So I figure that the Shadows may have helped the EA
>not only with their armour but more early with scanners to detect Minbari
>and Vorlon ships. This seems logical to me, as the Shadows sure wanted the
>EA to be able to fight these!
Also...perhaps I am mistaken, but I thought it was not necessary to even have a
target lock on another ship in order to destroy it.
Eric D
mcc goodguy-1
>
> On Thu, 8 Oct 1998, Datalore wrote:
>
> > FACT 4: During the Earth Civil War, Earth Alliances destroyers had NO
> > problem locking onto Sheridan's White Star ships, and destroyed dozens of
> > them.
>
> This is not exactly correct, only one WS was shown to be destroyed while
> crashing into a normal destroyer, the three others seen were hit by the
> advanced destroyers. So I figure that the Shadows may have helped the EA
> not only with their armour but more early with scanners to detect Minbari
> and Vorlon ships. This seems logical to me, as the Shadows sure wanted the
> EA to be able to fight these!
>
> "The meaning of my life is to make me crazy!"
I never understood in that episode where there were shadow enhanced
Omega class destroyers, how just a couple dozen whitestars could inflict
so much damage on them. That supposidly flashy organic armor seemed
totaly useless.
When the good guys had to take on shadow ships, it'd take the crossfire
of 2 or 3 or more capitol ships sustained for up to tens of seconds to
take one out sometimes.
What was real unrealistic was singular beams seemed to be doing the
damage, it might have been a bit more believable if several whitestars,
fireing all their beams on a single spot, might cut through, and rather
than randomly fireing on various parts of a ship, aiming to penetrate
the reactor casing. Touch that, and all the shadow armor in the
universe wont stop your ship blowing to bits.
Aubrey W. Adkins
whitestars, you will see several get hit and not be destroyed. In an
earlier episode a whitestar using its main battery destroyed a full
blown shadow battlecrab. It took all its power to do so, but it did. If
the whitestars, which are in a fight to the death, no quarter given, are
using all the power available to their weapons systems, then they should
be able to tear the advanced destroyers apart and they did. Remember,
they were outnumbered. They are much faster and more maneuverable as
stated by Ivonava and they used it to their advantage. If you watch
carefully you will notice that the earthforce fighters aren't
particularly effective against whitestars.
I believe Sheridan delibretly did not use the whitestars to fullest
advantage in order to conceal their real capabilities from earthforce
spies amongst his "converted" forces.
Aubrey
JExell1066
dumb ass they had shadow tech?
get a fucking life
mcc goodguy-1
I dimly recall one shadow battlecrab being taken out, but like only
after it had been paralyzed by Lyta, and held still in place for at
least a minute.
Aubrey W. Adkins
do so. It is doubtful that the advanced destroyers even came close to
withstanding the punishment a battlecrab could endure. Since the
whitestars were outnumbered and still prevailed, it indicates as much.
Aubrey
ope...@pdq.net
"Datalore" <abga...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Here's a brain teaser for all of you who look for inconsistencies between
> episodes. It's a question that came to mind when I was RE-watching the 4th
> season episodes concerning the Earth civil war.
>
> Background:
>
> Fact 1: In more than one earlier episodes, we were told by Sheridan that
> during the Earth-Minbari War, the Earth Alliance Heavy Cruisers (such as his
> cruiser because the Minbari had some kind of "stealth technology" that Earth
> could never figure out.
>
> Fact 2: Early in Season 2 there was an episode (I forgot the name) in which
> a renegade Minbari Cruiser (the Tregati) tried to provoke Sheridan into a
> fire fight. When Sheridan saw that the Starfury's were getting CLEAR TARGET
> LOCKS on the Minbari fighters, he saw that the Tregati were inviting
> suicide -- wanting to go down in battle -- otherwise they'd be using their
> stealth technology. When he called their bluff and did NOT initiate
> hostilities against the charging Minbari fighters, they did NOT fire at the
> Starfurys and simply returned to the mother ship. THE WAY SHERIDAN PRESENTS
> HIS REASONING CLEARLY INDICATES that even 10 years after the Minbari War was
> over, EARTH SHIPS STILL did not have the "anti-stealth" technology to get a
> target lock on a Minbari ship.
>
>
> problem locking onto Sheridan's White Star ships, and destroyed dozens of
> them.
>
> technologically advanced as 10 year old Minbari Cruisers. After all, VORLON
> technology was THOUSANDS of years more advanced. A ship with COMBINED
> technology should at least have the Minbari "stealth technology" that proved
> so effective against Earth Ships in the Earth-Minbari war. AND YET those
> same 10 year old Earth ships are now able to get a clear target lock on
> Whitestar ships and blow them apart (quite dramatically -- special effects
> wise- I would add).
>
> So what happened JMS? Did the designers of the Whitestar forget that "tiny
> little detail?" Or did you intentionally overlook it to make the war harder
> for Sheridan to win? It seems that he'd have been much better off with a
> fleet of surplus Minbari Cruisers that would have been impervious to Earth
> attach; he could have knocked out the engines of every Earth ship from B5 to
> Mars and arrested President Clark in time to be back at B5 for dinner.
>
> Anyone want to take a stab at this? (No, not in the Narn style)
>
I do believe there is quite a reasonable explanation; The Earth Alliance has
NOT been able to resolve the Minbari's stealth technology and that it is a
case of design forcing tactics. In 'No Surrender, No Retreat' we see that
only one WS is destroyed when making a head to head attack on the EAS Pollux
in which the WS suffers repeated direct blows from the Destroyer's forward
guns causing the WS to crash onto the Pollux's bow. In this case it was the
WS inability to regain control after suffering damage that causes its demise.
(Notice the other WS Captain wisely chose to break its attack at the correct
moment.) When facing the Advanced Destroyers approximately 4-6 WS's are
destroyed making a similar head on attack and one seems to be moderately to
lightly damaged by several hits from Thunderbolts at poink blank range. None
of these instances require a sensors lock on the WS. The WS when attacking a
target maneuver to some extent like jet fighters and are forced to direct
their attacks with their direction of motion (Except for some instances-this
is space combat after all) and so are more vulnerable to heavier ships that
can direct their fire through turret mounted weapons because hey have to
maintain a consistant vector. My conclusion is that it is the WS's size that
is its nemessis in this case and not some inconsistancy. They pack
tremendous firepower and maneuverability but have to compromise on the
attack. Delenn explained this in 'Movements of Fire and Shadow.' During
'NS, NR' and between it and 'BtDatL' several occassional shots manage to hit
the WS's but never often enough to cripple them though undoubtedly some were
destroyed in similar fashion making the necessary head on attack (The success
rate of such attacks= 33% WS of course have superior armor).
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Datalore
Your reply shows that you are not only rude and offensive, but just plain
stupid. Yes, in the BATTLE FOR MARS Earth Force had shadow technology, but
NOT in the Battle to Liberate Proxima 3. THOSE EA destroyers were NOT
equipped with shadow technology and yet they were still able to target and
destroy Whitestars.
So my question remains valid.
By the way, if posting and responding to this newsgroup is contrary to
having a "fucking life," then why did YOU WASTE YOUR TIME responding to my
question -- just like me and all the other "dumb asses" who waste their time
thinking about Babylon 5.
The next time you someone to make yourself feel more important, better check
your facts. Otherwise you might look like an idiot.
JExell1066 wrote in message <19981010175457...@ng142.aol.com>...
Datalore
Your reply shows that you are not only rude and offensive, but just plain
stupid. Yes, in the BATTLE FOR MARS Earth Force had shadow technology, but
NOT in the Battle to Liberate Proxima 3. THOSE EA destroyers were NOT
equipped with shadow technology and yet they were still able to target and
destroy Whitestars.
So my question remains valid. And you've revealed you ignorance of the
show.
By the way, if posting and responding to this newsgroup is contrary to
having a "fucking life," then why did YOU WASTE YOUR TIME responding to my
question -- just like me and all the other "dumb asses" who waste their time
thinking about Babylon 5.
The next time you call someone names just to make yourself feel more
important, better check your facts first. Otherwise you might reveal to
others how insecure, troubled, anti-social, and adolescent you are.
Good luck becoming an adult. You've got a long road to travel.
Datalore
jere7my tho?rpe
<abga...@earthlink.net> wrote:
*Your reply shows that you are not only rude and offensive, but just plain
*stupid. Yes, in the BATTLE FOR MARS Earth Force had shadow technology, but
*NOT in the Battle to Liberate Proxima 3. THOSE EA destroyers were NOT
*equipped with shadow technology and yet they were still able to target and
*destroy Whitestars.
We don't know if the Agamemnon was equipped with Shadow scanners when
Sheridan came on board in "The Face of the Enemy"; it didn't have
Shadow-spines sticking out all over the place, but that doesn't mean
anything. We _do_ know that their sensors had been upgraded so they'd be
able to track Sheridan's fleet, since the captain said so; it seems
reasonable to assume that the EA got new sensor tech from the Shadows, but
it could have been recent advances in Earth tech.
Aubrey W. Adkins
crashed into the EAS ship before it could retain control of itself.
Aubrey
Michael Wen
: What was real unrealistic was singular beams seemed to be doing the
: damage, it might have been a bit more believable if several whitestars,
: fireing all their beams on a single spot, might cut through, and rather
: than randomly fireing on various parts of a ship, aiming to penetrate
: the reactor casing. Touch that, and all the shadow armor in the
: universe wont stop your ship blowing to bits.
Another odd thing is that the White Star hull, which can absorb shock and
repair itself, seems to be more effective against shadow weapons than
against primitive earth weapons.
Aubrey W. Adkins
Aubrey
Jerel Robinson
Trigati exited HS and launched fighters, Sheridan noted the station
could track them. At this time Babylon 5 still had the sensor suite used
by Earth during the Earth Minabri War as stated by Sheridan. Obviously
Earth has developed better sensors otherwise Sheridan would have never
asked what senso suite the the Station had. Another point purely based
on conjecture is that Earth could have gleaned some sensor tech from the
shadows allowing possible lock ons. Later on Babylon 5 was refitted with
a new sensors in the episode GROPOS. I am just offering some insight,
no more.
If everybody thought the same, then nobody would ever think very
much-Aesychlus.
Thanks,
Jerrr
Aubrey W. Adkins
never broke the minbari stealth technology. That is what gave him the
idea they were on a suicide mission.
Aubrey
SenorBeef
Jerel Robinson wrote:
I don't see why they necesarily needed a sensor lock. You could just
visually target stuff and hope to get a lucky hit, which is consistent with
what happened..
mcc goodguy-1
>
> Jerel Robinson wrote:
>
> > Ok, good points, but some information has been left out. When the
> > Trigati exited HS and launched fighters, Sheridan noted the station
> > could track them. At this time Babylon 5 still had the sensor suite used
> > much-Aesychlus.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jerrr
>
> I don't see why they necesarily needed a sensor lock. You could just
> visually target stuff and hope to get a lucky hit, which is consistent with
> what happened..
Another thing I never can understand why the whitestars don't seem to
have any long range standoff capability.
If an f-18 went up against a WW-I era battleship, i'd bet the fighter
would win. Not because of firepower. A battleship carries tens of
thousands of pounds of high explosive, a throw weight far greater than a
plane, and foot thick steel armor plate.
I'd be a turkey shoot cause the fighter could send missiles from far
beyond the effective range of a battleship defenses, and be accurate
ehough to hit vulnerable spots.
A truely superior technological force could rather than destroy,
maintain peace by having ships that could simply sit safely beyond the
range of bad guy's guns, hugely superior, but useless, and simply fire
away taking out the enemy ships weapons and engine systems. Not fly in
at point blank range.
Anthony M. Christopher
mcc goodguy-1 <mco...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> A truely superior technological force could rather than destroy,
>maintain peace by having ships that could simply sit safely beyond the
>range of bad guy's guns, hugely superior, but useless, and simply fire
>away taking out the enemy ships weapons and engine systems. Not fly in
>at point blank range.
At least until another enemy fleet jumped in right behind them...
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TMB
Christopher) wrote:
>In article <362811...@earthlink.net>,
>mcc goodguy-1 <mco...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>> A truely superior technological force could rather than destroy,
>>maintain peace by having ships that could simply sit safely beyond the
>>range of bad guy's guns, hugely superior, but useless, and simply fire
>>away taking out the enemy ships weapons and engine systems. Not fly in
>>at point blank range.
>
>At least until another enemy fleet jumped in right behind them...
>
Or have the ability to open a jump point with an accuracy of +/- a few
hundred meters and come upon a foe with all weapons charged and ready,
like the Minbari...
Dennis
Dennis
mcc goodguy-1 wrote in message <362811...@earthlink.net>...
>SenorBeef wrote:
>>
>> Jerel Robinson wrote:
>>
>> > Ok, good points, but some information has been left out. When the
>> > Trigati exited HS and launched fighters, Sheridan noted the station
>> > could track them. At this time Babylon 5 still had the sensor suite
used
>>t Earth could have gleaned some sensor tech from the
>> > shybody thought the same, then nobody would ever think very
>> > much-Aesychlus.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Jerrr
>>
>> I don't see why they necesarily needed a sensor lock. You could just
>> visually target stuff and hope to get a lucky hit, which is consistent
with
>> what happened..
>
>
>
> Another thing I never can understand why the whitestars don't seem to
>have any long range standoff capability.
>
> If an f-18 went up against a WW-I era battleship, i'd bet the fighter
>would win. Not because of firepower. A battleship carries tens of
>thousands of pounds of high explosive, a throw weight far greater than a
>plane, and foot thick steel armor plate.
>
> I'd be a turkey shoot cause the fighter could send missiles from far
>beyond the effective range of a battleship defenses, and be accurate
>ehough to hit vulnerable spots.
>
mcc goodguy-1
>
> And how exiting would that be? ;-)
>
It wouldn't be much exiting, but consistant. The interstellar
alliance has such longevity implied by Deconstruction because the
whitestar fleet and especialy the new excalibur class superdestroyer,
for all intents and purposes, has made Sheridan all but invincable, and
his cause inevitable and irreversable. What races he can't persuade by
waving the carrot of giving a few bits or technology, his fleet is his
ultimate trump card.
People in the moderated group have put down sheridan for certain
things saying he'll pay for it and it will ruin the alliance. Bull,
his rangers are absolutely loyal to him, and if anyone opposes his
policy, he just blockades or quickly disarms his opposition.
lond...@my-dejanews.com
"Dennis" <nojun...@ever.com> wrote:
(Do not believe this warrants a spoiler warning)
Also, it may be that the targeting sensors have evolved to such a level of
sophistication that incoming missiles could be destroyed by the targeted
warship's cannons. I recall that being the case in the teaser to 'Movements
of Fire and Shadow.' Missiles have been consistantly used throught the show
for mostly the purpose of bombarding stationary targets (ie 'Severed Dreams'
'In the beginning') I suspect the Drazi were desperately seeking to defend
their colony and hoped their missiles would prove effective (Similarly, one
could say, to how the Germans began using their 88mm AAA as AT weapons to
replace their 37mm's in 1941) All in all, Naval combat in B5 seems to emulate
that in the Second World War while Trek seems to be closer to that in the
First World War in that Trek places more importance on the power of the
individual warships and relegates the 'fighters' to the status of something
like torpedo boats/destroyers.
(Observe that in DS9 a few of the Dominion 'fighters' have the capability to
destroy a warship.)
> And how exiting would that be? ;-)
>
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Replicant
Werner Spahl wrote:
> This is not exactly correct, only one ....<snip>...he
> EA to be able to fight these!
And remember that, when Sheridan went to Ganimedes to destroy the Shadow ship,
the Agamemnon have no problems to lock on Sheridan's White Star when they wer
covered by the atmosphere of Jupiter!
Replicant
Aubrey W. Adkins wrote:
> If you rewatch the battle between the advanced destroyers and
> ...<snip>...from earthforce
> spies amongst his "converted" forces.
> Aubrey
I am following the thread and I have to confess I am not a wizard about
organic technology. The only thing I know is that the ship is "alive" and in
some grade self regenerative. Could anyone explain me more about it?
Replicant
SenorBeef wrote:
> <snip>
>
> I don't see why they necesarily needed a sensor lock. You could just
> visually target stuff and hope to get a lucky hit, which is consistent with
> what happened..
Do you really believe this? Or maybe you can just use the force Luke!