Bruce on Claudia
Jms at B5
For those who've asked for a third person's opinion on the whole CC thing,
Bruce has given his typically uncensored opinion at:
http://www.tvguide.com/tv/circuits/0815A.htm
jms
Mark Kreighbaum
Jms at B5 wrote:
>
> Bruce has given his typically uncensored opinion at:
>
> http://www.tvguide.com/tv/circuits/0815A.htm
>
http://www.tvguide.com/tv/circuits/0815a.htm
jms
Note URL correction.
necKro
In article <19970815222...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
Jms at B5 <jms...@aol.com> wrote:
>For those who've asked for a third person's opinion on the whole CC thing,
>Bruce has given his typically uncensored opinion at:
>
>http://www.tvguide.com/tv/circuits/0815A.htm
(it's actually http://www.tvguide.com/tv/circuits/0815a.htm - it's case
sensitive.)
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William Edward Woody
jms...@aol.com (Jms at B5) wrote:
> For those who've asked for a third person's opinion on the whole CC thing,
> Bruce has given his typically uncensored opinion at:
>
> http://www.tvguide.com/tv/circuits/0815A.htm
BTW, the TV Guide HTML server seems case sensitive--I was unable to reach
the article at the above URL, but the following one worked for me:
http://www.tvguide.com/tv/circuits/0815a.htm
Note the lower case 'a' in the file name.
Wierder and wierder...
- Bill
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Anne Green
>For those who've asked for a third person's opinion on the whole CC
thing,
>Bruce has given his typically uncensored opinion at:
>http://www.tvguide.com/tv/circuits/0815A.htm
> jms
The above link didn't work for my browser. It should be:
http://www.tvguide.com/tv/circuits/0815a.htm
Here's a copy of it anyway:
BOXLEITNER BASHES CARUSO & CHRISTIAN
Babylon 5 hunk Bruce Boxleitner, coping with costar Claudia Christian's
recent departure from the series, lashed into top TV stars for abusing
their status and suggested pampered actors like David Caruso "need a
really good ass-kicking." In a candid interview, the actor, who plays
Capt. John Sheridan on the cult sci-fi series, told Daily Dish he felt
betrayed by Christian. "I've followed Claudia and her comments that she
left the show because she was fired," he said. "I was there, and she was
not fired. We were all given a favored-nations contract, which meant
every cast member got the same deal, and Claudia turned it down. If I
sound a little bitter, it's because we were close. It seems she was
bailing out when the show was finally bearing fruit." Boxleitner,
however, is convinced the TNT series will not suffer from Christian's
absence in the coming season. "I replaced an actor on Babylon 5, and
this show survived many other cast changes. No actor isn't replaceable.
Just ask David Caruso." The mention of Caruso, who bolted from NYPD Blue
at the height of his TV stardom for a movie career that sagged, reminded
Boxleitner of James Arness, who starred on Gunsmoke for an unprecedented
21 seasons. "They could learn [from Arness] how one treats the office of
a star of a TV series," said Boxleitner, who costarred with Arness in
the ABC series How the West Was Won. "The David Carusos and these people
really need a good ass-kicking. I'd tell Caruso that to his face. These
guys are a bunch of jerks. Pampered little idiots. I use Caruso as an
example because here he is, back again, and I hear it's already a living
hell. To me, Claudia made a mistake, but I wish her luck." -- Craig
Modderno
TV Guide
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Captain Infinity
In article <19970815222...@ladder01.news.aol.com>
jms...@aol.com (Jms at B5) wrote :
>For those who've asked for a third person's opinion on the whole CC thing,
>Bruce has given his typically uncensored opinion at:
>
>http://www.tvguide.com/tv/circuits/0815A.htm
>
>
> jms
You may have better luck finding it at:
http://www.tvguide.com/tv/circuits/0815a.htm
Those pesky capital letters...what a pain, eh?
--
Captain Infinity
jdn
When I click on this link (8/15, 8:25pm Eastern Time), I get "Object not
found." What does that say abut Bruce's opinion?
Jms at B5 wrote in article
<19970815222...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
:For those who've asked for a third person's opinion on the whole CC thing,
Shawn Menninga
Jms at B5 (jms...@aol.com) wrote:
: For those who've asked for a third person's opinion on the whole CC thing,
: Bruce has given his typically uncensored opinion at:
:
: http://www.tvguide.com/tv/circuits/0815A.htm
:
:
: jms
Just a note, it's 0815a.htm, not 0815A.htm. For the cut-and-paste
types, that's http://www.tvguide.com/tv/circuits/0815a.htm
-SMQ
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In <19970815222...@ladder01.news.aol.com>
>
> For those who've asked for a third person's opinion on the whole CC thing,
> Bruce has given his typically uncensored opinion at:
>
> http://www.tvguide.com/tv/circuits/0815A.htm
>
You might want to try
http://www.tvguide.com/tv/circuits/0815a.htm
if you really want to read the article; the server there seems to
differentiate between cap and lc letters.....
Tom Hall
In article <19970815222...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, jms...@aol.com
says...
>
>For those who've asked for a third person's opinion on the whole CC thing,
>Bruce has given his typically uncensored opinion at:
>
>http://www.tvguide.com/tv/circuits/0815A.htm
^
case is wrong -- should be "a", not "A"..... :)
Tom
Larry Caldwell
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In article <1997081523...@f41.hotmail.com>,
"Anne Green" <annem...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Here's a copy of it anyway:
> Just ask David Caruso." The mention of Caruso, who bolted from NYPD Blue
> at the height of his TV stardom for a movie career that sagged, reminded
> Boxleitner of James Arness, who starred on Gunsmoke for an unprecedented
> 21 seasons. "They could learn [from Arness] how one treats the office of
> a star of a TV series," said Boxleitner, who costarred with Arness in
> the ABC series How the West Was Won. "The David Carusos and these people
> really need a good ass-kicking. I'd tell Caruso that to his face. These
Boxleitner is married to Melissa Gilbert, who is still collecting
residuals for "Little House on the Prairie," and probably will be for the
rest of her life.
The world cheerfully ignored him when he was Tron, only paid a little
attention when he was Scarecrow, but as Sheridan, people know his name,
follow his carreer and pay him to speak at conventions. That sort
of publicity is bankable gold to an actor. You can't *buy* publicity
like that.
Even sweeter from an actor's perspective, he's not going to get stuck doing
21 seasons. At the end of the arc the story ends. He gets to collect
his residuals, and go looking for work with an enthusiastic fan base behind
him, while his face is on TNT prime time five days a week. He's also first
in line for a role in the feature film(s), which pay a whole lot better than
TV work. You can conservatively estimate that in the next decade, starring
in B5 will be worth seven digits over and above his weekly paycheck.
Of *course* he thinks Caruso and Christian are crazy. He had his pen out
before the contract settled on the table.
-- Larry
Joshua Jasper
In article <VAi9z0O5...@teleport.com>,
However, correctly taking a movie gamble can pay off if you
_work_things_out_ with your TV employers. Kevin Sorbo most likley got
more for the time he spent on Kull The Conquerer than he did on Hercules.
Claudia and Caruso simply burnt thier bridges. Reguardless of who's right
or wrong (JMS/WB or CC) in the fiasco, Claudia _has_ damaged her name,
lied (according to JMS, and probably WB) ergo her reputation in the biz
has taken a hit. That can't help. Also, missing the Borg spot on Voyager
has done some harm as well, IIRC, she's not working now. If the movie
she's trying for (she is trying for a movie, right?) flops, she could
take a major hit in her income. She ought to fire her agent, IMO.
Sinboy
William Edward Woody
ab...@mindspring.com (Andrew Bell) wrote:
> >The world cheerfully ignored him when he was Tron, only paid a little
> >attention when he was Scarecrow, but as Sheridan, people know his name,
> >follow his carreer and pay him to speak at conventions. That sort
> >of publicity is bankable gold to an actor. You can't *buy* publicity
> >like that.
>
> questions (and PTEN might not be bankrupt) if it had been a hit. (A
> shame, since it is the best thing on television, but the truth
> nonetheless.) B5 gives Boxleitner a small core of rabidly
> enthusiastic fans, not enough to make that big a difference in his
> career.
Perhaps it wouldn't make much difference in his career, but then--
According to Cinemania 97, Boxleitner has appeared in 23 movies. Yet
until Babylon 5 came along, how many of us have heard of him?
Me, I suspect the publicity may not be necessarly like bankable gold,
but it sure helps when passing your resume around to have had a starring
role in a show with a core of rabidly enthusiastic fans. It means that
you can guarentee if he appears as the star in the right movie or the
right television show, that rabid core of fans will buy tickets or tune in.
It's like Patrick Stewart: though according to Cinemania he's touring
as a stage actor since '61, debut on Broadway in '71, and appearing in
movies since '75, if it weren't for Star Trek, I would never have known
how wonderful an actor he was.
And now that I do know, I want to see Conspiracy Theory in part because
he's the bad guy in that movie.
Andrew Bell
On 16 Aug 1997 20:16:21 -0400, lar...@teleport.com (Larry Caldwell)
wrote:
>In article <1997081523...@f41.hotmail.com>,
>"Anne Green" <annem...@hotmail.com> wrote:, quoting TV Guide
>> Just ask David Caruso."
Caruso left after a short run in a network show that could run ten
years, ditto Crosby. Claudia "left" -- more accurately, explored
other options, the net result of doing so ending up with her not
getting a contract with B5 -- four years into a five year
syndicated/cable show. She'll still get the residuals for the 80% of
the eps she was in. She does need a post-B5 career, and getting on
with it while she's still reasonably young and stunning isn't that bad
an idea. B-5 would probably have been better, but she never actively
sought to break her ties with the show, it just worked out that way.
>> The mention of Caruso, who bolted from NYPD Blue
>> at the height of his TV stardom for a movie career that sagged, reminded
>> Boxleitner of James Arness, who starred on Gunsmoke for an unprecedented
>> 21 seasons.
21 seasons and JMS would be in a rubber room...
>The world cheerfully ignored him when he was Tron, only paid a little
>attention when he was Scarecrow, but as Sheridan, people know his name,
>follow his carreer and pay him to speak at conventions. That sort
>of publicity is bankable gold to an actor. You can't *buy* publicity
>like that.
I think you overestimate B5. Seasons four and five wouldn't have been
questions (and PTEN might not be bankrupt) if it had been a hit. (A
shame, since it is the best thing on television, but the truth
nonetheless.) B5 gives Boxleitner a small core of rabidly
enthusiastic fans, not enough to make that big a difference in his
career.
Andrew Bell
Stanley Friesen
violation.
Question: did I understand right, he complemented James Arness on his
handling of _Gunsmoke_? (I'm glad - I like the show).
The peace of God be with you.
Stanley Friesen
CRepublic
>21 seasons. At the end of the arc the story ends. He gets to >collect
his residuals, and go looking for work with an enthusiastic >fan base
behind him, while his face is on TNT prime time five >days a week. He's
also first in line for a role in the feature film(s), >which pay a whole
lot better than TV work. You can >conservatively estimate that in the
next decade, starring in B5 will >be worth seven digits over and above his
weekly paycheck.
>
>Of *course* he thinks Caruso and Christian are crazy. He had >his pen
Form what you say he is right. Not so?
It's also fairly nice from the fans perspective since replacing a
major charicter is no fun.
Jerome Chan
In article <19970815222...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
jms...@aol.com (Jms at B5) wrote:
> For those who've asked for a third person's opinion on the whole CC thing,
> Bruce has given his typically uncensored opinion at:
>
> http://www.tvguide.com/tv/circuits/0815A.htm
>
>
> jms
<http://www.tvguide.com/tv/circuits/0815a.htm>
The internet is case sensitive among other things.
---
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Karen Lee
On 17 Aug 1997 18:25:31 -0400, wo...@alumni.caltech.edu (William Edward Woody)
wrote:
*Perhaps it wouldn't make much difference in his career, but then--
*
*According to Cinemania 97, Boxleitner has appeared in 23 movies. Yet
*until Babylon 5 came along, how many of us have heard of him?
Well, I saw a play called Status Quo Vadis on Broadway in 1974 starring Bruce
Boxleitner. The play was only open a short time but I've kept an eye out for
Bruce since then, he was great. It didn't say it in the playbill but Bruce told
me it WAS his broadway debut along with another guy also in his broadway debut,
Ted Danson. I didn't remember Ted Danson.
So I guess that would be at least 1 of us 8-)
*It's like Patrick Stewart: though according to Cinemania he's touring
*as a stage actor since '61, debut on Broadway in '71, and appearing in
*movies since '75, if it weren't for Star Trek, I would never have known
*how wonderful an actor he was.
* - Bill
Have you ever seen I Claudius? It was done over 20 years ago and has a killer
cast, including Patrick Stewart. BTW, what was his broadway debut?
Cheers, Karen
Stacy Brown
On 17 Aug 1997, Miche wrote:
> In article <woody-17089...@192.0.2.1>
> wo...@alumni.caltech.edu (William Edward Woody) writes:
>
> > According to Cinemania 97, Boxleitner has appeared in 23 movies. Yet
> > until Babylon 5 came along, how many of us have heard of him?
>
> Me! He wasn't a household name, but he wasn't exactly a total unknown
> either.
Maybe some of you guys haven't heard of a little TV show called "Scarecrow
and Mrs. King" that ran for 4 seasons back in the mid 80's. Bruce played
an American spy in a NSA-like agency, and Kate Jackson played Amanda King,
a hapless housewife who ended up as a pseudo-spy alongside him. That show
had good ratings when it was on, and it's still on in reruns for one of
the cable channels I believe.
In addition, Melissa Gilbert is indeed a household name, thanks to "Little
House on the Prairie". Since their romance first began, Bruce was
mentioned quite often when Melissa was. They don't bother to talk about
SO's/spouses of well-known actors if the spouse in question isn't also
fairly well known.
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Karen Lee wrote:
>
> On 17 Aug 1997 18:25:31 -0400, wo...@alumni.caltech.edu (William Edward Woody)
> wrote:
>
> *It's like Patrick Stewart: though according to Cinemania he's touring
> *as a stage actor since '61, debut on Broadway in '71, and appearing in
> *movies since '75, if it weren't for Star Trek, I would never have known
> *how wonderful an actor he was.
>
> cast, including Patrick Stewart. BTW, what was his broadway debut?
I dunno about that, but I really liked him as Leondegrance in
Excalibur. :)
Biff
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In article <33fca7a1...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, kare...@ix.netcom.com
(Karen Lee) wrote:
>*It's like Patrick Stewart: though according to Cinemania he's touring
>*as a stage actor since '61, debut on Broadway in '71, and appearing in
>*movies since '75, if it weren't for Star Trek, I would never have known
>*how wonderful an actor he was.
>* - Bill
>
>Have you ever seen I Claudius? It was done over 20 years ago and has a killer
>cast, including Patrick Stewart. BTW, what was his broadway debut?
Then there's "Dune" the (rotten) movie. When I saw part of it again after
TNG ended, I said, what's Capt. Picard doing on a desert planet? <grin>
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J. Lee Lehman
Larry Caldwell wrote:
>
> Boxleitner is married to Melissa Gilbert, who is still collecting
> residuals for "Little House on the Prairie," and probably will be for the
> rest of her life.
>
> The world cheerfully ignored him when he was Tron, only paid a little
> attention when he was Scarecrow, but as Sheridan, people know his name,
> follow his carreer and pay him to speak at conventions. That sort
> of publicity is bankable gold to an actor. You can't *buy* publicity
> like that.
I, for one, would have only breathed a sigh of relief if Boxlightweight
had been spaced, while I am thoroughly bummed by Claudia's decision.
However, the most curious thing I find about Boxlightweight's sordid
little comments, is that I don't EVER remember seeing him as being
listed BEFORE as being that tight with her personally.
As for me, I think I recognize "sucking up" when I see it, even if the
persons he's trying to impress may be immune.
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Timothy W. Lynch
wo...@alumni.caltech.edu (William Edward Woody) writes:
>According to Cinemania 97, Boxleitner has appeared in 23 movies. Yet
>until Babylon 5 came along, how many of us have heard of him?
That would be me. Then again, I'd also heard of Patrick Stewart
before TNG (your other example), so I'm probably a rotten data point
all 'round. :-)
[For the record, I'd also heard of Katsulas and Furst prior to the
show, and Jeff Conaway long before his appearance.]
Tim Lynch
Gary Farber
In <5t8654$l...@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Timothy W. Lynch <tly...@alumnae.caltech.edu> wrote:
: wo...@alumni.caltech.edu (William Edward Woody) writes:
: >According to Cinemania 97, Boxleitner has appeared in 23 movies. Yet
: >until Babylon 5 came along, how many of us have heard of him?
: That would be me. Then again, I'd also heard of Patrick Stewart
: before TNG (your other example), so I'm probably a rotten data point
: all 'round. :-)
YM there were people who didn't watch "I, Claudius"? ;-)
: [For the record, I'd also heard of Katsulas and Furst prior to the
: show, and Jeff Conaway long before his appearance.]
YM there were people who did see STNG, ANIMAL HOUSE, or TAXI? ;-)
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Diane K De
>>On 17 Aug 1997, Miche wrote:
> In article <woody-17089...@192.0.2.1>
> wo...@alumni.caltech.edu (William Edward Woody) writes:
>
> > According to Cinemania 97, Boxleitner has appeared in 23 movies. Yet
> > until Babylon 5 came along, how many of us have heard of him?
>
> Me! He wasn't a household name, but he wasn't exactly a total unknown
> either.
Maybe some of you guys haven't heard of a little TV show called "Scarecrow
and Mrs. King" that ran for 4 seasons back in the mid 80's. Bruce played
an American spy in a NSA-like agency, and Kate Jackson played Amanda King,
a hapless housewife who ended up as a pseudo-spy alongside him. That show
had good ratings when it was on, and it's still on in reruns for one of
the cable channels I believe.<<
In the 1983-84 season S&MK got an 18.4 HH rating, ranking it #20. That's
nothing to sneeze at. These days, due to audience fragmentation, only a
handful of shows are watched by as many people. Those "Gambler" movies
were also watched by an incredible number of people. I think the first
one was the #1 TV movie of the season it was broadcast.
Granted, I was not a viewer of either effort, but I would say that a few
people out there know who Bruce is. In fact, given B5's relative
obscurity and rating in the mid-3's, a lot of those people wonder what
ever happened to him.
DD
Howard S Shubs
In article <19970818215...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
dian...@aol.com (Diane K De) wrote:
>>>I, for one, would have only breathed a sigh of relief if Boxlightweight
>had been spaced, while I am thoroughly bummed by Claudia's decision.
>However, the most curious thing I find about Boxlightweight's sordid
>little comments, is that I don't EVER remember seeing him as being
>listed BEFORE as being that tight with her personally.
You haven't paid much attention, have you? I seem to remember hearing
about a lot of things Boxlightner did with CC on the set, such as playing
jokes on people and such. You sound like a CC suck-up, actually. She
screwed up. That's too bad. Now she's got to live with her screw up.
Dave Thomer
>
> Granted, I was not a viewer of either effort, but I would say that a few
> people out there know who Bruce is. In fact, given B5's relative
> obscurity and rating in the mid-3's, a lot of those people wonder what
> ever happened to him.
Way back when, before terms like Zocalo, Z'ha'dum and Zathras had any
meaning to me, I was visiting a friend of mine one night who insisted
that we watch that night's episode of Babylon 5, because it was an
outstanding series and all of us in the room might like it, and besides
he was going to watch it no matter what we did, so we may as well enjoy
it. (He was a determined sort.) After a few nifty CGI shots, and a
scene in a throne room somewhere, the action shifted to the interior of
the station, and the first thought that popped into my head was, "Hey,
look, Scarecrow's in charge of the station!"
Now I just shake my head. "You're watching The Coming of Shadows, and
all you have to say is 'Scarecrow's in charge of the station?' Slick
move, maestro." Who knew?
Dave
ShutUpRob
In article <woody-17089...@192.0.2.1>, wo...@alumni.caltech.edu
(William Edward Woody) writes:
>According to Cinemania 97, Boxleitner has appeared in 23 movies. Yet
>until Babylon 5 came along, how many of us have heard of him?
>
>
Scarecrow & Mrs. King
Tron
Those pesky 'Gambler' movies
You betchum I'd heard of Boxleitner before B5 -- I even had
to learn how to spell his name so that I wouldn't pronounce
it Box-en-leitner a long time before B5 came along. :)
-- Rob Jensen
=========================================
"I don't suffer from insanity; I enjoy every minute of it."
William Edward Woody
> *It's like Patrick Stewart: though according to Cinemania he's touring
> *as a stage actor since '61, debut on Broadway in '71, and appearing in
> *movies since '75, if it weren't for Star Trek, I would never have known
> *how wonderful an actor he was.
>
> cast, including Patrick Stewart. BTW, what was his broadway debut?
According to Cinemania, he debut on Broadway in the Peter Brook production
of A Midsummer Night's Dream in 1971.
Ice Hunter
ShutUpRob wrote:
>
> In article <woody-17089...@192.0.2.1>,
> wo...@alumni.caltech.edu
> (William Edward Woody) writes:
>
> >According to Cinemania 97, Boxleitner has appeared in 23 movies. Yet
> >until Babylon 5 came along, how many of us have heard of him?
> >
> >
>
> Scarecrow & Mrs. King
> Tron
> Those pesky 'Gambler' movies
>
Plus: "How the West Was Won" and "Bring 'em Back Alive".
LCR1701d
In article <hshubs-1808...@ip150.dallas4.tx.pub-ip.psi.net>,
hsh...@mindspring.com (Howard S Shubs) writes:
>Then there's "Dune" the (rotten) movie. When I saw part of it again after
>TNG ended, I said, what's Capt. Picard doing on a desert planet? <grin>
>
>
Don't forget "Excalibur". Captain Picard in chain mail.
Len R.
Joshua Jasper
In article <33fca7a1...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>,
Karen Lee <kare...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>
>On 17 Aug 1997 18:25:31 -0400, wo...@alumni.caltech.edu (William Edward Woody)
>wrote:
>
>*
>*According to Cinemania 97, Boxleitner has appeared in 23 movies. Yet
>*until Babylon 5 came along, how many of us have heard of him?
>
>Well, I saw a play called Status Quo Vadis on Broadway in 1974 starring Bruce
>Boxleitner. The play was only open a short time but I've kept an eye out for
>Bruce since then, he was great. It didn't say it in the playbill but Bruce told
>me it WAS his broadway debut along with another guy also in his broadway debut,
>Ted Danson. I didn't remember Ted Danson.
>
>So I guess that would be at least 1 of us 8-)
>
>
>*as a stage actor since '61, debut on Broadway in '71, and appearing in
>*movies since '75, if it weren't for Star Trek, I would never have known
>*how wonderful an actor he was.
>
>Have you ever seen I Claudius? It was done over 20 years ago and has a killer
>cast, including Patrick Stewart. BTW, what was his broadway debut?
>
Let's not forget lady Jane as well. IIRC that was pre TNG
Joshua Jasper
In article <5t8654$l...@gap.cco.caltech.edu>,
Timothy W. Lynch <tly...@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
>
>wo...@alumni.caltech.edu (William Edward Woody) writes:
>
>
>before TNG (your other example), so I'm probably a rotten data point
>all 'round. :-)
>
>show, and Jeff Conaway long before his appearance.]
>
Katsulas was kinda hard to miss, and who on earth _didn't_
remember young Will Robinson...
Sinboy
ps, let's not forget Wade: "Hey, that's not you, that's some older guy!"
William Edward Woody
In article <33F840...@ix.netcom.com>, lee...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
> As for me, I think I recognize "sucking up" when I see it, even if the
> persons he's trying to impress may be immune.
Ah, heck; I'm sure you've encountered prema donnas in your life.
And while I'm not suggesting that Ms. Christian was one--don't
you think some prema donnas deserve a little ass kicking?
And as to Mr. Caruso's career--he must have managed to piss off
a lot of people when a reference to his career going into the toilet
shows up on the Comedy Central cardboard-toon series "South Park"...
- Bill
Ron Sharp
Howard S Shubs <hsh...@mindspring.com> wrote in article
<hshubs-1808...@ip150.dallas4.tx.pub-ip.psi.net>...
>
> Then there's "Dune" the (rotten) movie. When I saw part of it again
after
> TNG ended, I said, what's Capt. Picard doing on a desert planet? <grin>
You didn't like Dune?? You have to see the Extended-for-TV version, the
change in director makes all the difference. I really think Alan Smithee
should get a life-time achivement Oscar!
(Tongue firmly in cheek on this one--but a search on Alan Smithee's
"career" is a hoot.)
Ron Sharp.
Louis-Dominique Dubeau
Stacy Brown <s...@comp.uark.edu> writes:
> Maybe some of you guys haven't heard of a little TV show called "Scarecrow
> and Mrs. King" that ran for 4 seasons back in the mid 80's. Bruce played
> an American spy in a NSA-like agency, and Kate Jackson played Amanda King,
> a hapless housewife who ended up as a pseudo-spy alongside him. That show
> had good ratings when it was on, and it's still on in reruns for one of
> the cable channels I believe.
And they even dubbed that show into French. When it 1st ran, my
English wasn't good enough so I watched the dubbed version.
Then there's Tron... but maybe that movie is not very popular outside
of geekdom. (For those who didn't know: Peter Jurassik also played in
that movie.)
Regards,
ldd
Joshua Jasper
In article <5tffgj$l...@ssbunews.ih.lucent.com>,
J. Potts <nav...@pubs.ih.lucent.com> wrote:
>In article <sinboyEF...@netcom.com>,
>Joshua Jasper <sin...@netcom.com> wrote:
>> Caruso is back, IIRC on CBS staring in his own show. Of course,
>>he had more fame than claudia before he left. I think he's playing sn
>>elected official of a sort. Anyone know?
>
>
>Hmmm, I thought he was playing a DA. I know I've seen *lots* of adds for
>it recently. I haven't decided if I'm going to give it try though. I was
>extremely annoyed with the arrogant manner in which he left NYPD Blue,
>not that I'm any great fan of the show. I catch the odd episode here and
>there, but I rarely sat and watched it during the first season. It's sorta
>the same way I feel about Rosanne what's-her-name. At one point she made
>an arrogant remark about being the main source of income for the network
>she was on so they better be nice to her. I scrupulously avoid anything
>she's in, though I use to like watching her standup routine.
>
>--
>JRP
>"BLONDE? Blonde? You didn't TELL me you were a blonde....."
> --Gharlane of Eddore
There are very few people in media that don't have a vast ego.
Living in LA, you get to meet some of them. I think it's something that
they pipe into the air in the studios that makes almost everyone's self
image grow ten times. The JMS/MOJO JMS/CC and for those on rasfw as well,
the writers guild/JMS feud are good evidence. This isn't to say that the
people become evil, but show buisness _does_ warp your perceptions alot,
if you son't watch it.
Sinboy
William Edward Woody
"Ron Sharp" <r...@janna.com> wrote:
> You didn't like Dune?? You have to see the Extended-for-TV version, the
> change in director makes all the difference. I really think Alan Smithee
> should get a life-time achivement Oscar!
Personally, I think Alan Smithee did better work directing Thunderheart
than with the TV cut of Dune.
John Schilling
wo...@alumni.caltech.edu (William Edward Woody) writes:
>ab...@mindspring.com (Andrew Bell) wrote:
>> >The world cheerfully ignored him when he was Tron, only paid a little
>> >attention when he was Scarecrow, but as Sheridan, people know his name,
>> >follow his carreer and pay him to speak at conventions. That sort
>> >of publicity is bankable gold to an actor. You can't *buy* publicity
>> >like that.
>>
>> I think you overestimate B5. Seasons four and five wouldn't have been
>> questions (and PTEN might not be bankrupt) if it had been a hit. (A
>> shame, since it is the best thing on television, but the truth
>> nonetheless.) B5 gives Boxleitner a small core of rabidly
>> enthusiastic fans, not enough to make that big a difference in his
>> career.
>Perhaps it wouldn't make much difference in his career, but then--
>According to Cinemania 97, Boxleitner has appeared in 23 movies. Yet
>until Babylon 5 came along, how many of us have heard of him?
I had. I rather suspect most people here had.
And you're asking the wrong crowd. "Us" being Babylon 5 fans, it
is safe to assume that all of us have seen him in B5, and that some
of us had not seen him in anything else previously. The obvious,
and wrong, conclusion is that Babylon 5 is more visible than anything
else he had previously done.
The reality is, however, that however sucessful and highly-rated a
syndicated drama Babylon 5 is, it is *still* a syndicated drama,
and thus minor league stuff in Hollywood terms. A few years in an
average, mundane *network* drama like, say "Scarecrow and Mrs. King"
is worth far more in terms of visibility, exposure and reputation
in the industry as a whole than Babylon 5 will ever be.
Throw in the assorted movie roles, and the secondhand publicity he
gets from his wife, and Babylon 5's importance to Boxleitner's
career is reduced to its proper perspective. One more line on the
resume, nothing more.
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Greg Bryant
Gary Farber (gfa...@panix.com) wrote:
: In <5t8654$l...@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Timothy W. Lynch <tly...@alumnae.caltech.edu> wrote:
: : wo...@alumni.caltech.edu (William Edward Woody) writes:
: : >According to Cinemania 97, Boxleitner has appeared in 23 movies. Yet
: : >until Babylon 5 came along, how many of us have heard of him?
I heard of him when he was in TRON, and Kenny Rogers The Gambler (all
before Scarecrow and Mrs. King).
--
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<*>gbr...@kent.edu<*>
Kent State University
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It was the year everything changed.
Francis A. Ney, Jr.
In article <woody-18089...@192.0.2.1> wo...@alumni.caltech.edu writes:
> > *It's like Patrick Stewart: though according to Cinemania he's touring
> > *as a stage actor since '61, debut on Broadway in '71, and appearing in
> > *movies since '75, if it weren't for Star Trek, I would never have known
> > *how wonderful an actor he was.
> >
> > Have you ever seen I Claudius? It was done over 20 years ago and has a
> killer
> > cast, including Patrick Stewart. BTW, what was his broadway debut?
>
> According to Cinemania, he debut on Broadway in the Peter Brook production
> of A Midsummer Night's Dream in 1971.
And if people have been paying attention, a new movie of his is about to be
released. He plays a major bad guy in _Masterminds_, which looks to be "Home
Alone in a prep school."
Storyline: Stewart is the head of security at a prep school, where he hatches
a plan to hold ten kids hostage for $650M. One teenage student is the fly in
his ointment, the thorn in his side, the . . . you get the picture.
While not SF, the trailers look impressive. I'll pay to see this Sony
release, unlike Starship Troopers, for which I'm saving my AMC free movie
pass.
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Chris Lawrence
On 20 Aug 1997 11:26:58 -0400, Louis-Dominique Dubeau <l...@step.polymtl.ca>
wrote:
>Then there's Tron... but maybe that movie is not very popular outside
>of geekdom.
Well, it is Al Gore's favorite film.
Ok, that just proves your point :-)
Chris, who avidly watched Scarecrow & Mrs. King when he was a kid.
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William Edward Woody
fre...@aol.com (FPP) wrote:
> wo...@alumni.caltech.edu (William Edward Woody) wrote:
> > "Ron Sharp" <r...@janna.com> wrote:
> > > You didn't like Dune?? You have to see the Extended-for-TV version, the
> > > change in director makes all the difference. I really think Alan Smithee
> > > should get a life-time achivement Oscar!
> >
> > Personally, I think Alan Smithee did better work directing Thunderheart
> > than with the TV cut of Dune.
>
> It's kind of hard to tell on-line...
Kidding? Why, I'm perfectly serious!
I've always been a great fan of Mr. Smithee's work. From his earliest
days directing "Death of a Gunfighter" to his latest work on such movies
as "Ghost Feaver", "Let's Get Harry", "Thunderheart", and "Hellraiser VI:
Bloodline", his consistant vision has shined through. His attention
to quality, the detail, the vision: why, I can't think of a better
director (or producer, for that matter) who has graced the Hollywood
scene for years.
Why, I even met Mr. Smithee once. A quiet, unassuming man; I only talked
to him for a moment while in a sandwich line at Disney, but you could
feel the very power of his cinematic vision when he talked about his
latest production there.
- Bill
(Who can't stop grinnin' like a fool at the total cr-p I just wrote!)
Linda Brown
Am I the only person out ther who will now have to get cable to view B5?
Linda
Joel Mathis
Rumor has it lbr...@tiger.towson.edu said...
> Am I the only person out ther who will now have to get cable to view B5?
I all ready got cable with the sole intention of watching B5. Pretty
good investment too. My TV is pretty much stuck on the History channel
and I get the uncut X-Files several weeks before the edited reruns start
in broadcast syndication. There's enough out there now that you get
cable for B5 and you like some other programming to help the cost.
--
Joel Mathis
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http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Set/3533/
This week, vote on Best Writer other than J. Michael Straczynski.
Ron Sharp
William Edward Woody <wo...@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote in article
<woody-20089...@192.0.2.1>...
>
> "Ron Sharp" <r...@janna.com> wrote:
> > You didn't like Dune?? You have to see the Extended-for-TV version,
the
> > change in director makes all the difference. I really think Alan
Smithee
> > should get a life-time achivement Oscar!
>
> Personally, I think Alan Smithee did better work directing Thunderheart
> than with the TV cut of Dune.
Regardless of which was his best film, you have to admit that the sheer
scope of his directing, producing, acting, writing is amazing!
Ron Sharp.
Ed Wright
> >[For the record, I'd also heard of Katsulas and Furst prior to the
> >show, and Jeff Conaway long before his appearance.]
Yeah, ditto on Jeff Conaway. He was in a little movie called Grease.
Sure, I've heard of him.
Brian Buckeye
On 22 Aug 1997 18:20:45 -0400, Linda Brown <lbr...@tiger.towson.edu>
wrote:
>Am I the only person out ther who will now have to get cable to view B5?
>Linda
>
I don't even have that choice; I can't get cable where I live.
And I'm certainly not sheeling out large buckage for a satellite
system, as good as B5 has proven to be.
Looks like I'll be spending more time at my buddy's house....
Mike Betti
Bri...@bicsoft.com (Brian Buckeye) wrote:
I recently upgraded my cable package to include TNT -- a bunch more
bucks a month to do it. It will stay as long as B5 is on TNT -- then
I downgrade again.
Mike
Steve Schonberger
Gee, where I live (hilly Seattle suburbs) I can only get the sound for one
channel and the picture for another on broadcast television, unless (I
suppose) I build a hundred-meter tall antenna or something. Neither of
those channels carry Babylon 5 anyway. If I want to watch television, I
need cable, satellite, a huge antenna tower, or a house somewhere on a
mountain top.
--
Steve Schonberger <stev...@csealumni.UNL.edu>
I'd mangle my address to avoid spam, but it's too late already.
Linda Brown <lbr...@tiger.towson.edu> wrote in article
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