B5's Well of Forever
Andrew H. Litkowiak
Dureena leans over and we get a nice cleavage shot. Made the whole episode
worth watching :-)
Woo hoo! Running for cover now!
Andy Litkowiak
Berserker wrote:
> This hasnt shown up in rastb5 yet, so I am reposting it. Remember if
> you want to respond, set the followup to rast also to get everything
> back on the level.
>
> OH MY GOD THAT WAS HORRIBLE. I MISSED THE SPURS TAKING THE LEAD TO
> WATCH THIS. OH I FEEL DIRTY I HAVE TO WASH MYSELF.
>
> Blech. Stupid, stupid, stupid. This episode was touchy feely
> garbage, not even remotely science fiction. Ohhh! how horrible!
>
> I'm sorry, let me stop shaking for a moment. Class, what did this
> episode do wrong?
>
> 1)It was immensely boring. No sense of wonder, no sense of danger. I
> could care less. What Well of Forever??? It's like a big... beehive.
>
> 2)It was horribly, horribly paced.
>
> 3)It has already established a set of Crusade cliches. Galen acts
> mysterious. Stupid Gideon plays along. Galen gets in touch with his
> feelings and then moves on. That has been the point of the last TWO
> episodes, people! And he does so again next week!!!
>
> 4)Where was the science fiction? Sure, you're entitled to a *fun*
> episode every once and awhile, but this was like bad fanfiction. It
> missed so many obvious if cliched turns. I mean, instead of doing
> some pseudo-philosophical "it's like a big book," i'd at least like to
> see it maybe MAKE you want to see something. As it was, we got two -
> count 'em - characters aside from Galen react in some way to this
> well. Eilerson's reaction was predictable, both in its greed and the
> convenient way everyone put him down. Dureen'as was, well, a bit odd,
> given that as a thief she's no doubt robbed a few graves...
>
> 5)Pseudo-philosophizing. Galen wonders "why." Oh, that's deep. The
> writer's been reading Chicken Soup for the Soul it appears. There was
> not a deep question asked in this episode.
>
> 6)It couldn't even get the humor right. They managed to get a mere
> *one* joke out of the creatures having sex with the ship. The
> situation was a bit stupid, anyway, but this was a bit embarassing
> with zero payoff in the laugh department.
>
> 7)There's a real problem with the characters here. You could tell
> that this episode was filmed later, though apparently it was to air
> sooner, or something. That's not the problem. The problem is, THE
> CHARACTERS KNOW EACH OTHER, BUT WE DON'T KNOW THE CHARACTERS. After
> three episodes, two of them dominated by two characters, we still
> don't know anybody. In Gideon and Galen's case, it's shoddy writing
> and JMS hanging this event ten years ago in front of us. in the case
> of the others, they're simply not getting screen time.
>
> But it gets worse. Dureena make some reference to wanting to trust
> people. That has zero resonance to me. I don't know her. Then we
> have everyone going "shutup, Eilerson" as if they're all disgusted
> with him. He's done nothing to be disgusted with though, at least not
> onscreen. It's like JMS wrote five episodes and threw them away,
> leaving all that chaacterization in them unfufilled. Suffice it to
> say, Crusade has had some of the lamest characters I've ever seen.
> They're not even cliches - they're just puppets to give speeches or
> pine over some lost love that has no meaning for us.
>
> 8)Ah, how can I forget. This episode had an idiotic premise. Galen
> makes a promise to a friend (apparently the technomages are a love
> commune) so he diverts the ship to fulfil it. He can't wait five
> years. Gideon of course goes along. At no time is the show's very
> basic premise mentioned. Say what you want about Voyager, but they're
> constantly remninding themselves that they're years from home.
>
> 9)The one chance at real characterization, Matheson, was done
> horribly. He whines to his captain and the captain makes everything
> ok, in a very rushed finish. Thi wasn't even mind rape - this was
> like rape by a bureaucrat, or something. Oooh, how scary. The
> bureaucrat wants me to report to the Senate!!!
>
> This episode was the most scattershot, confused, pseudo-philosophical
> blather that I've seen in some time. The dialogue was pretty much
> awful, the character motivation crap, the resolution completely
> anticlimatic. I guess like Evan Chen, JMS and Fiona Avery are
> interested in breaking a lot of rules - rules like "A plot is suppose
> to make sense," and "characters should have sensible and clear
> motivations." Between wrestling and this garbage, I'll take
> wrestling. Even the worst of B5 season one, like Infection, felt like
> it had a point, and you had enough background happenings to feel
> greater things happening. This is just Deep Thoughts, by joe
> Straczynski. Next week looks just as bad...
Tammy Smith
I guess Berserker must be an unfeeling robot...
Tammy
PS--What is so wrong with emotional stuff on TV? Are you *that*
cynical, Berserker?
Kailin
down while wearing black leather pants. Geez, you'd think it would have
been obvious what the best part of the episode was. Actually, I liked a
lot about it, but I might have just been looking at Peter Woodward and
Daniel Dae Kim too much to notice anything else.
> Gee. I can't agree. You must have missed the part that made it all work.
>
> Dureena leans over and we get a nice cleavage shot. Made the whole episode
> worth watching :-)
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Galen in Crusade "If I'm going to die, I'd rather do so in a room with a
view."
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A. Safron
Andrew H. Litkowiak <and...@starnetinc.com> wrote in article
<3773082A...@starnetinc.com>...
> Gee. I can't agree. You must have missed the part that made it all work.
>
> Dureena leans over and we get a nice cleavage shot. Made the whole
episode
> worth watching :-)
>
>
Has it been two episodes? Whatever. It seems to me that Galen takes
over the show because he is enigmatic and one of those superb
Shakespearean actors who can leave you breathless even with his
head shaved. Meanwhile, Capt. Gideon is standing around
with his mouth open in surprise, waiting for Galen's next trick.
I don't know if JMS had Galen in the spotlight when he wrote Crusade,
but it seems to coming out that way. It's a shame TNT cut
the series short. Imagine 5 years of techno-mage.
-Ann Safron
Jms at B5
>but it seems to coming out that way. It's a shame TNT cut
>the series short. Imagine 5 years of techno-mage.
It actually wasn't my intention. The way the show was originally going to lay
out was to sprinkle Galen's appearances here and there. Of this 13, we would
have some of the ones shot after 105, then 101-105, then the rest after 105.
But because they all (minus 101-105) got bunched together at the front, you'll
now get a bunch of Galens, then no Galens at all for a long time.
jms
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Diane K De
I can't speak for Berserker but I love emotional stuff.
The problem with this episode is it didn't engage my emotions. If anything,
this whole enterprise comes off as going through the motions.
And engaging my brain didn't help, it hurt.
DD