Is there a B5 eqilvalent to the word "Trekkie"?
Truth_Seeker
other, similar to the way "Star Trek" fans refer to themselves as
"Trekkies".
"Babbie" certainly doesn't sound appropriate and "Babyloner" sounds a
little lonely, so I've simply come up with "B5-er" (just a suggestion
unless there is no established word yet).:-)
Dan Dassow
Over the years some have used "Bablers", "B5-ers", "lurkers", "First
Ones", and "disciples of the Church of Joe" to describe fans of
Babylon 5, but no term seems to be in common use.
Dan Dassow
Matt Ion
"TNT Haters"
SLerman
I vaguely recall seeing the term 5-er (or Five-er) used sometimes. I
think "person with good taste" has also been used.
Joseph DeMartino
> other, similar to the way "Star Trek" fans refer to themselves as
> "Trekkies".
Fortunately, no.
And "Trekies" is generally a word applied *to* "Trek" fans, not by
them. Last time I checked the preferred term was still "Trekkers".
If anyone tries to hang any such ridiculous name on "B5" fans I will
personally introduce him to the Narn Bat Squad. <g>
Regards,
Joe
Jan
SLerman says...
JMS wrote:
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From: jms...@aol.com (Jms at B5)
Subject: BABYLON 5 PILOT EPISODE ON CFT
To: rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated
Date: 2/3/1994 6:05:00 AM
Most B5 viewers that I've heard from call themselves Fivers, when
they identify themselves as anything other than what they are, people of
infinite taste and sensibility....
jms
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"B5 fan" has always worked for me.
Jan
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> Truth_Seeker <preslav_kos...@abv.bg> wrote:
>
>> I was wondering if there is any official way for B5 fans to call each
>> other, similar to the way "Star Trek" fans refer to themselves as
>> "Trekkies".
>
> Fortunately, no.
The show wasn't popular enough for any one term to take off. Among
others Babylonian was suggested. It's as cornily inaccurate as
teenagers calling themselves Goths.
> And "Trekies" is generally a word applied *to* "Trek" fans, not by
> them. Last time I checked the preferred term was still "Trekkers".
The trouble is I knew a guy who worked on one of the movies. That would
make hime a Trekker because he was a part of the creating of it and me a
Trekkee because I was just a customer. I've never put on Star Fleet
uniform costume so there's a limit to how fanish I get.
> If anyone tries to hang any such ridiculous name on "B5" fans I will
> personally introduce him to the Narn Bat Squad. <g>
I'll being expecting their call ...
<*>
Dan Dassow
So in effect, the common practice is to call ourselves "B5 fans" and
call the defenders of the faith the "Narn Bat Squad".
Dan Dassow
Stefan
"Trekkies / Trekker", "Gater", "Fiver" is quite common.
http://www.midwinter.com/b5/b5_jms_answers.txt
Search for "Fiver".
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Mac Breck
> Joseph DeMartino wrote:
>> Truth_Seeker <preslav_kos...@abv.bg> wrote:
>>
>>> I was wondering if there is any official way for B5 fans to call
>>> each other, similar to the way "Star Trek" fans refer to themselves
>>> as "Trekkies".
>>
>> Fortunately, no.
>
> The show wasn't popular enough for any one term to take off. Among
> others Babylonian was suggested. It's as cornily inaccurate as
> teenagers calling themselves Goths.
after Babylonian Productions, so not so inaccurate in that light.
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Mac Breck
> On Dec 17, 4:10 pm, Truth_Seeker <preslav_kos...@abv.bg> wrote:
>> I was wondering if there is any official way for B5 fans to call each
>> other, similar to the way "Star Trek" fans refer to themselves as
>> "Trekkies".
>
> Fortunately, no.
>
> And "Trekies" is generally a word applied *to* "Trek" fans, not by
> them.
It wasn't derogatory in the old days (the 1960s & 1970s).
> Last time I checked the preferred term was still "Trekkers".
Eh, pretentious, snooty.
> If anyone tries to hang any such ridiculous name on "B5" fans I will
> personally introduce him to the Narn Bat Squad. <g>
>
> Regards,
>
> Joe
Babylonians? "Fivers" or "B5ers" sounds OK, though.
SLerman
> In article <b189904f-8967-4ba4-ae2b-e3bed6e75...@j24g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
> SLerman says...
>
>
>
> >On Dec 17, 4:10=A0pm, Truth_Seeker <preslav_kos...@abv.bg> wrote:
> >> I was wondering if there is any official way for B5 fans to call each
> >> other, similar to the way "Star Trek" fans refer to themselves as
> >> "Trekkies".
>
> >> "Babbie" certainly doesn't sound appropriate and "Babyloner" sounds a
> >> little lonely, so I've simply come up with "B5-er" (just a suggestion
> >> unless there is no established word yet).:-)
>
> >I vaguely recall seeing the term 5-er (or Five-er) used sometimes. I
> >think "person with good taste" has also been used.
>
> JMS wrote:
>
> ----------------------
> Subject: BABYLON 5 PILOT EPISODE ON CFT
> To: rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated
> Date: 2/3/1994 6:05:00 AM
>
> Most B5 viewers that I've heard from call themselves Fivers, when
> they identify themselves as anything other than what they are, people of
> infinite taste and sensibility....
>
> jms
> ------------------------
>
> "B5 fan" has always worked for me.
>
> Jan
>
> --
> “Shared pain is lessened; shared joy is increased; thus do we refute entropy”
> --Spider Robinson
>
> fight cancer.
Thanks Jan. I was going to write "infinite taste", but I wasn't
certain if that was a real JMS quote or if I was just making it up.
Truth_Seeker
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On 18 ������, 07:46, Matt Ion <soundy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 17/12/2009 1:10 PM, Truth_Seeker wrote:
>
> "TNT Haters"
That's for sure! :-)
Charlie E.
<macthe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Joseph DeMartino wrote:
>> On Dec 17, 4:10 pm, Truth_Seeker <preslav_kos...@abv.bg> wrote:
>>> I was wondering if there is any official way for B5 fans to call each
>>> other, similar to the way "Star Trek" fans refer to themselves as
>>> "Trekkies".
>>
>> Fortunately, no.
>>
>> And "Trekies" is generally a word applied *to* "Trek" fans, not by
>> them.
>
>It wasn't derogatory in the old days (the 1960s & 1970s).
>
>
>> Last time I checked the preferred term was still "Trekkers".
>
>Eh, pretentious, snooty.
>
>
>> If anyone tries to hang any such ridiculous name on "B5" fans I will
>> personally introduce him to the Narn Bat Squad. <g>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Joe
>
>Babylonians? "Fivers" or "B5ers" sounds OK, though.
To be honest, I always liked the term 'Babblers,' if only for the
inherent humor in it... ;-)
Charlie
Dan Dassow
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Dan Dassow
Kay Shapero
>
> "B5 fan" has always worked for me.
>
Likewise.
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Kay Shapero
macthe...@yahoo.com says...
> >
> > And "Trekies" is generally a word applied *to* "Trek" fans, not by
> > them.
>
> It wasn't derogatory in the old days (the 1960s & 1970s).
FWIW in the early '70s when I got involved, both "Trekkies" and
"Trekkers" were in use. Users of the latter thought the other term
derogatory. Users of the former thought the latter term pretentious.
The rest of us thought the whole thing silly. Over the years, I've used
both from time to time. :)
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Amy Guskin
(in article <MPG.25960a6a8...@news.west.earthlink.net>):
> In article <hgga3...@drn.newsguy.com>, janmsc...@aol.com says...
>
>>
>> "B5 fan" has always worked for me.
>>
> Likewise. <<
I will see your "likewise," and ditto it. I don't think we need a
descriptive collective term.
Amy
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Duggy
> The trouble is I knew a guy who worked on one of the movies. That would
> make hime a Trekker because he was a part of the creating of it and me a
> Trekkee because I was just a customer.
That's a inappropriate application of rules.
It makes him a Film Maker and you a Film Viewer (not a FIlm Makee).
A trekker is someone who treks not someone who makes Star Trek films,
I wouldn't want to guest what a Trekee would be in that context.
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Doug Freyburger
> Doug Freyburger <dfrey...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> The trouble is I knew a guy who worked on one of the movies. That would
>> make hime a Trekker because he was a part of the creating of it and me a
>> Trekkee because I was just a customer.
>
> That's a inappropriate application of rules.
>
> It makes him a Film Maker and you a Film Viewer (not a FIlm Makee).
>
> A trekker is someone who treks not someone who makes Star Trek films,
There's also the parallel for techer and techie. I am definitely a
techer. Those who call me a techie are not technical enough to be among
those who pay my salary. There are folks who work in technology who
call themselves techies. Sure enough when they need to get to third
level support they end up on the line with me.
> I wouldn't want to guest what a Trekee would be in that context.
Chortle.
Duggy
> >> On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 00:54:26 -0500, Kay Shapero wrote
>
>
> > In article <hgga3j01...@drn.newsguy.com>, janmschroe...@aol.com says...
>
> >> "B5 fan" has always worked for me.
>
> > Likewise. <<
>
> I will see your "likewise," and ditto it. I don't think we need a
> descriptive collective term.
Me too.
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Matt Ion
> And "Trekies" is generally a word applied *to* "Trek" fans, not by
> them. Last time I checked the preferred term was still "Trekkers".
Yes and no. Originally, "trekkies" (small "t") was a quasi-derogatory
term applied TO the fans, but was quickly adopted BY the fans as a badge
of honor... much like the term "geek" itself (most true geeks I know of
are proud to be geeks; nerds, however, are a different animal).
One TNG took Trek out of the "geek" realm and made it mainstream fare,
someone somewhere decided that it would no longer do for the new,
larger, Mom-and-Pop fanbase to be labeled with a quasi-derogatory title,
and thus the term "Trekker" (big "T") was coined to appease the PC
sensibility.
I, personally, much prefer to be identified as a "trekkie". "Trekkers"
are bandwagoners, as far as I'm concerned. Wannabes. Hangers-on.
They're not the true geeks; they're the general TV public who "got into"
Trek because it was the COOL thing to watch for a time.
I think that's your true defining factor there: Trekkers are Trekkers
because it's COOL (or was, anyway) to be a Trekker. Trekkies are
trekkies because they were Trek geeks long before the Trekkers came
along; COOL never entered into it.
You'll note with the slow decline of the franchise over the last
decade-and-a-half, the number of Trekkers has declined accordingly.
Trekkies, on the other hand, are forever.
Joseph DeMartino
>
> Once TNG took Trek out of the "geek" realm and made it mainstream fare,
> someone somewhere decided that it would no longer do for the new,
> larger, Mom-and-Pop fanbase to be labeled with a quasi-derogatory title,
> and thus the term "Trekker" (big "T") was coined to appease the PC
> sensibility.
Nonsense. "Trekker" (capitalized or not) long pre-dates "ST:TNG". I
should know - I was there. The term was coined by older,moe serious
and mostly male, "Trek" fans who wanted to distinguish themselves from
the "true" "trekkies" who were largely seen as 13 year old girls with
crushes on Mr. Spock. The latlter did embrace "trekkie" as a label,
in part because it sounded cute. The former rejected it for the same
reason. And all long before "TNG" (or any of the feature films) were
a gleam in Paramount's eye. (I remember "trekkie" vs. "trekker"
arguments at the 2nd and 3rd New York "Trek" conventions in the early
70s, and in fanzines before that.)
Interesting theory, it just has nothing to do with the actual events.
Regards,
Joe
Kay Shapero
@l13g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>, jdem...@bellsouth.net says...
> Nonsense. "Trekker" (capitalized or not) long pre-dates "ST:TNG". I
> should know - I was there. The term was coined by older,moe serious
> and mostly male, "Trek" fans who wanted to distinguish themselves from
> the "true" "trekkies" who were largely seen as 13 year old girls with
> crushes on Mr. Spock.
Actually most of the ST fans using either term that I encountered in the
early '70s were in their late teens/early twenties and to a large extent
female. It WAS a reaction to "Trekkie" being seen as a derogatory
mundane put-down.
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voxwoman
And what is WRONG with 13 year old girls having crushes on Mr Spock,
and making people call them "Zarabeth"? You don't think such children
would start reading "real" SF and growing to love the genre?
(who me? I think I was 11 when I did that)
-Wendy
John W. Kennedy
> And what is WRONG with 13 year old girls having crushes on Mr Spock,
> and making people call them "Zarabeth"? You don't think such children
> would start reading "real" SF and growing to love the genre?
> (who me? I think I was 11 when I did that)
I rather fancy the problem is being a 25-year-old male (and,
incidentally, straight) and being mistaken for a 13-year-old girl with
a crush on Mr. Spock, especially by persons who reject the childishly
unreal "Trek" in favor of the stark, objective realism of "Two-Fisted
Tales" or "My True Story".
Duggy
> I like Narn Bat Squad.
I like Hot Sailors
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Duggy
> And what is WRONG with 13 year old girls having crushes on Mr Spock,
> and making people call them "Zarabeth"? You don't think such children
> would start reading "real" SF and growing to love the genre?
> (who me? I think I was 11 when I did that)
Can, not will.
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Matt Ion
I stand corrected then; I'd never heard the term before TNG took off and
the term was adopted by fans who disliked being lumped in with those
"trekkie geeks".
Stefan
-- Footnote --
Robert Wise ("Star Trek - The Movie" director) in an '79-interview(*):
that he didn't knew "Star Trek" before and that he viewed the whole
series "And now I'm a trekkie" he ended.
And he isn't a 13yearold girl, obviously. ;-)
Stefan
('*) Source: book about StarTrek; I don't know for sure, if that
Robert Wise interview is a special of one of the ST-The Movie-DVDs.
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