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Cynthia

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Jun 8, 2002, 7:25:32 AM6/8/02
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I work for the company doing the closed-captioning of Babylon 5 for
DVD release. We are reformatting the captions from the original files,
which were mostly done without scripts. We have the first six episodes
here already (I'll be doing 1 & 2 myself tomorrow) but alas, still no
scripts.

(Basically, I said to my boss, "Hey, JMS is a very cool guy, posts
online all the time -- someone ought to contact him and ask for copies
of the scripts." She, naturally, said, "Great idea! Go ahead!" LOL
Serves me right. However, I am NOT gonna just e-mail the man. Nuh-uh.)

Anyway, does anyone have suggestions as to where the best, most
authentic sites would be for verifying things like spellings of
names/places etc? Someone who might have had access to those scripts
and would therefore have it for-sure right? I'd REALLY like us to get
this stuff right.

Thanks,

Cynthia Delmar, Senior Caption Editor
National Captioning Institute
Burbank, CA

Moyra J. Bligh

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On 8 Jun 2002 04:25:32 -0700, cde...@ncicap.org (Cynthia) wrote:

>Anyway, does anyone have suggestions as to where the best, most
>authentic sites would be for verifying things like spellings of
>names/places etc?

I'd go with Lurkers
http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/lurker.html

Guide to the first episode lives here
http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/us/guide/001.html

And may I be the first to say - Thank You! and Hurray!
You've just made a ton of peoples weekends by posting this.

Posted & emailed.

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Joseph DeMartino

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Jun 9, 2002, 1:31:18 AM6/9/02
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> Anyway, does anyone have suggestions as to where the best, most
> authentic sites would be for verifying things like spellings of
> names/places etc? Someone who might have had access to those scripts
> and would therefore have it for-sure right? I'd REALLY like us to get
> this stuff right.

I'd be more than happy to verify this stuff for you. Just send me the
episodes on disc as you finish them and I'll get right on it. <g>

Slightly more seriously, there's always "The Lurker's Guide to BABYLON
5", which is probably the best "B5" info site.

http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/lurker.html

And, in all seriousness, feel free to send me anything you're not sure
of via e-mail at NOSPAMj...@bellsouth.net (Just remove the NOSPAM
from the link.) I am only working part time at the moment (somebody
forgot to tell people hereabouts that the recession is over) and have
way too much time on my hands. After four years of lobbying Warner
Bros. to get the DVDs released, it would be a real kick if I could
contribute in some small way to their quality.

Regards,

Joe

C W CHAN

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Jun 9, 2002, 7:32:43 AM6/9/02
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cde...@ncicap.org (Cynthia) writes:

>I work for the company doing the closed-captioning of Babylon 5 for
>DVD release. We are reformatting the captions from the original files,
>which were mostly done without scripts. We have the first six episodes
>here already (I'll be doing 1 & 2 myself tomorrow) but alas, still no
>scripts.

Not that I'm complaining about this bit of news, and I am really
not trying to jinx this, but recalling JMS's cryptic post regarding
the news of DVDs:

JMS> There's nothing that I can share at this time that would not
JMS> preclude others in the food chain from doing the same on this
JMS> subject.

either:

This is a hoax (well, it may be lunchtime somewhere in the world,
but it ain't april anywhere)

OR

The studio heads has had their thunder stolen (the best laid plans...)


Please, please let it be the latter.

(Hey, maybe someone can ask really nicely about the transfer, extras,
and all that *grin*)

On another point, would anyone else offer to do the captions for B5 for
nothing (well, maybe room and board). Perhaps we should tell Cynthia
to watch it in order, and not to skip around the episodes? Who knows,
we may get a new fan?

Chuen Chan c.c...@uq.net.au
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Tim

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Jun 9, 2002, 8:58:47 AM6/9/02
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Sounds like someones trying to have us on to me. 'Cynthia Delmar, Senior
Caption Editor'. Are we really ment to believe this is anything but someone
getting their jollies at our expense? Come on....

"Cynthia" <cde...@ncicap.org> wrote in message
news:a96ff9de.02060...@posting.google.com...

Brian O'Neill

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Jun 9, 2002, 10:11:07 AM6/9/02
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Well, it's not absolutely for certain accurate, but I wrote it BASED in
either the existing captioning or what JMS has posted online, when
either was available. Some cases may not be 100% accurate, but I'm not
aware of any:

http://www.oinc.net/B5/Enc/

-Brian

Moyra J. Bligh

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Jun 9, 2002, 3:22:38 PM6/9/02
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On 9 Jun 2002 11:32:43 GMT, zzcw...@fox.uq.net.au (C W CHAN) wrote:

>The studio heads has had their thunder stolen (the best laid plans...)

Methinks they've had their thunder stolen. <g>

Her e-mail address works, she's responded to me.

http://www.ncicap.org/
Is the National Captioning Institute.

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Blair Leatherwood

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Jun 9, 2002, 3:13:40 PM6/9/02
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Google is a marvelous thing. You can confirm that the National Captioning
Institute exists. You can see what they've done. You can even find Cynthia
Delmar listed as a shop steward for NCI as a member of NABET Local 53. You can
research just about anything on Google to get a really good idea if someone's
pulling your leg...or not.

The jollies I'm getting right now is that it looks like DVD is for real....

Jms at B5

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Jun 9, 2002, 9:05:43 PM6/9/02
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>The jollies I'm getting right now is that it looks like DVD is for real....

Yeah, it's real...I was holding off saying anything until WB or someone else
could announce it, but since it's come up here via the captioning
institute...yeah, as noted, it's real.

Season One will be out in a boxed set this Fall, and they're going to be
including at minimum two commentaries from me, probably on Signs and Portents
and Chrysalis (it's a matter of how much time and energy I can give to it given
that there's no fees involved and I'm in the midst of Jeremiah), and if
possible, Babylon Squared, maybe Sky Full of Stars. They'd also like to film
an on-camera intro by me (but I guess folks will buy it anyway, even with that
particular horror included).

They're pulling together a lot of stuff on this release so that there are
plenty of extras this time around, now that the value of the DVDs has been
shown by the first release
.

jms

(jms...@aol.com)
(all message content (c) 2002 by synthetic worlds, ltd.,
permission to reprint specifically denied to SFX Magazine
and don't send me story ideas)


Jan

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Jun 9, 2002, 9:33:28 PM6/9/02
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JMS posted:

<,Season One will be out in a boxed set this Fall, and they're going to be


including at minimum two commentaries from me, probably on Signs and Portents
and Chrysalis (it's a matter of how much time and energy I can give to it given
that there's no fees involved and I'm in the midst of Jeremiah), and if
possible, Babylon Squared, maybe Sky Full of Stars. They'd also like to film
an on-camera intro by me (but I guess folks will buy it anyway, even with that
particular horror included).>>

YYYIIIPPPEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jan

Wesley Struebing

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Jun 9, 2002, 11:20:24 AM6/9/02
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On 8 Jun 2002 04:25:32 -0700, cde...@ncicap.org (Cynthia) wrote:

>I work for the company doing the closed-captioning of Babylon 5 for
>DVD release. We are reformatting the captions from the original files,
>which were mostly done without scripts. We have the first six episodes
>here already (I'll be doing 1 & 2 myself tomorrow) but alas, still no
>scripts.
>

WOOHOO! (unoffically, of course...)
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Reed Snellenberger

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Jun 9, 2002, 10:28:16 PM6/9/02
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Jms at B5 wrote:

> and Chrysalis (it's a matter of how much time and energy I can give to it given
> that there's no fees involved and I'm in the midst of Jeremiah), and if

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Do you take MasterCard?

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WRWhite963

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Jun 9, 2002, 10:50:54 PM6/9/02
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>
>Season One will be out in a boxed set this Fall, and they're going to be
>including at minimum two commentaries from me, probably on Signs and Portents
>and Chrysalis (it's a matter of how much time and energy I can give to it
>given
>that there's no fees involved and I'm in the midst of Jeremiah), and if
>possible, Babylon Squared, maybe Sky Full of Stars. They'd also like to film
>an on-camera intro by me (but I guess folks will buy it anyway, even with
>that
>particular horror included).
>

Much rejoicing!

As for the intro, we'd love to hear your thoughts on B5 - no horror there. We
saw you at least once in Sleeping in Light - the camera doesn't hate you, Joe.
(Now I'm reminded of a classic Animaniacs toon - paraphrased: (german accent)
"Repeat after me: The camera doesn't hate me. The camera is NOT a big
schpider..."

And I'm relieved they're not skimping on extras (although they should pay you
*something*...) I'd feared the eventual sets to have a "poor cousin" quality
about them, compared to releases for other shows...

Have they decided on aspect ratio?

Thanks again!
Walter R. White

Jms at B5

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Jun 10, 2002, 12:05:28 AM6/10/02
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>Have they decided on aspect ratio?
>

Widescreen.

jms

Christian Smith

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Jun 10, 2002, 3:24:16 AM6/10/02
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On 10 Jun 2002 01:05:43 GMT,jms...@aol.com (Jms at B5) wrote

>>The jollies I'm getting right now is that it looks like DVD is for real....
>
>Yeah, it's real...I was holding off saying anything until WB or someone else
>could announce it, but since it's come up here via the captioning
>institute...yeah, as noted, it's real.
>>

Wooohoo!!!


>Season One will be out in a boxed set this Fall, and they're going to be
>including at minimum two commentaries from me, probably on Signs and Portents
>and Chrysalis (it's a matter of how much time and energy I can give to it given
>that there's no fees involved and I'm in the midst of Jeremiah), and if
>possible, Babylon Squared, maybe Sky Full of Stars. They'd also like to film
>an on-camera intro by me (but I guess folks will buy it anyway, even with that
>particular horror included).

Just keeps getting better...


>They're pulling together a lot of stuff on this release so that there are
>plenty of extras this time around, now that the value of the DVDs has been
>shown by the first release
>.

And better...

And widescreen too!!!

My bank is going to hate me!

Any idea of the release schedule for the rest of the seasons?

Christian

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Tlsmith1963

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Jun 10, 2002, 5:01:53 AM6/10/02
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Yes! Yes! Yes! I was ready to jump up in the air & yell loudly when I read
your post, Joe! This is *fantastic* news! :)

Tammy
B5 New Beginnings
http://hometown.aol.com/tlsmith1963/myhomepage/babylon5.html

Pål Are Nordal

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Jun 10, 2002, 5:44:20 AM6/10/02
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Jms at B5 wrote:
>
> Season One will be out in a boxed set this Fall, and they're going to be
> including at minimum two commentaries from me,

Any chance of comentaries by any of the other writers? Or some of the
cast or crew?


Jay Denebeim

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In article <advecr$637$1...@bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au>,

C W CHAN <zzcw...@fox.uq.net.au> wrote:

>Perhaps we should tell Cynthia to watch it in order, and not to skip
>around the episodes? Who knows, we may get a new fan?

Um, judging by the fact that she knew to post here and she called Joe,
Joe, I'd say you're a little late. She's already a fan.

Jay
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Sue

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On 10 Jun 2002 04:05:28 GMT, jms...@aol.com (Jms at B5) proclaimed:

>>Have they decided on aspect ratio?
>>
>
>Widescreen.

My question: True widescreen? The DVD of "The Gathering" and "In the
Beginning" that we have is cropped at the top and bottom. I.e. -
there are bits that are missing. I don't want the episodes with
things missing. But if it is *true* widescreen, I'm there!

Sue


Mac Breck

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"Sue" <vam...@attglobal.net> wrote in message
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I'm there, regardless, if only for the extras.

Mac Breck
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Mac Breck

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"Jms at B5" <jms...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >The jollies I'm getting right now is that it looks like DVD is for
real....
>
> Yeah, it's real...I was holding off saying anything until WB or someone
else
> could announce it, but since it's come up here via the captioning
> institute...yeah, as noted, it's real.
>
> Season One will be out in a boxed set this Fall, and they're going to be
> including at minimum two commentaries from me, probably on Signs and
Portents
> and Chrysalis (it's a matter of how much time and energy I can give to it
given
> that there's no fees involved

They're not paying you, ...anything? ???

> and I'm in the midst of Jeremiah), and if
> possible, Babylon Squared, maybe Sky Full of Stars. They'd also like to
film
> an on-camera intro by me (but I guess folks will buy it anyway, even with
that
> particular horror included).
>
> They're pulling together a lot of stuff on this release so that there are
> plenty of extras this time around, now that the value of the DVDs has been
> shown by the first release
> .
>
> jms
>
> (jms...@aol.com)
> (all message content (c) 2002 by synthetic worlds, ltd.,
> permission to reprint specifically denied to SFX Magazine
> and don't send me story ideas)

Regarding the extras, YAY!!!!!!! :-)

Paul McElligott

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Jun 10, 2002, 1:42:42 PM6/10/02
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Pål Are Nordal <dr...@spamcop.net> wrote in message news:<3D0474F4...@spamcop.net>...

I think a commentary track by Jerry Doyle would be most entertaining.

It would also be great in the guys from Foundation Imaging could have
a commentary track.

Paul McElligott

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jms...@aol.com (Jms at B5) wrote in message news:<20020610000528...@mb-fk.aol.com>...

> >Have they decided on aspect ratio?
> >
>
> Widescreen.
>
> jms
> jms
>

Little bit of a stutter there, Joe?

Anyway, I hope I don't need to ask if the episodes are in ANAMORPHIC widescreen.

Paul McElligott

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jms...@aol.com (Jms at B5) wrote in message news:<20020609210543...@mb-ca.aol.com>...

>
> Season One will be out in a boxed set this Fall,

Between B5 and the Star Trek: TNG boxes, I'm going to need to float a
second mortgage this fall.

Too bad I don't own a house.

Pål Are Nordal

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Jun 10, 2002, 1:51:48 PM6/10/02
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Paul McElligott wrote:
>
> It would also be great in the guys from Foundation Imaging could have
> a commentary track.

Judging from the Roughnecks: The Starship Troopers DVDs they'd certainly
be willing.

Personally, I'd love to see Larry DiTillio do a couple.


Paul McElligott

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Jun 10, 2002, 2:44:35 PM6/10/02
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jms...@aol.com (Jms at B5) wrote in message news:<20020609210543...@mb-ca.aol.com>...
> >The jollies I'm getting right now is that it looks like DVD is for real....
>
> Yeah, it's real...I was holding off saying anything until WB or someone else
> could announce it, but since it's come up here via the captioning
> institute...yeah, as noted, it's real.
>
> Season One will be out in a boxed set this Fall,

Oh, yeah. One other question.

What about the sound? Will they make me happy (and my neighbors mad)
and give me Babylon 5 in Dolby Digital 5.1?

It is all about me, of course.

Paul McElligott

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"Joseph DeMartino" <jdem...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:<000401c20f76$e2c564e0$a8045141@kosh>...

> I am only working part time at the moment (somebody
> forgot to tell people hereabouts that the recession is over) and have
> way too much time on my hands.

Sorry to hear. I was out of work for the first quarter of last year,
so I know a little of what you speak.

Unfortunately "the recession is over" only means that we've stopped
going backwards. It doesn't NECESSARILY imply forward motion yet.

The job market is usually the slowest to recover. These companies
that are so quick to cut people loose are usually pretty gun shy about
hiring again, but that will change with time.

I just wish that these companies would realize that hiring and
retraining are usually a hell of lot more expensive than biting the
bullet and standing by their employees through rough times.

Best of luck.

Tlsmith1963

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Jun 10, 2002, 3:09:11 PM6/10/02
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I was waiting to see what Mac Breck would say about the DVD news. Pretty cool,
huh Mac? :)

Tammy

PS--I would *love* to see the bloopers included with the B5 DVDs!

BoredGuy

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"Mac Breck" <macb...@access995.com> wrote in message
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> "Sue" <vam...@attglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:3d04dac5...@news1.attglobal.net...
> > On 10 Jun 2002 04:05:28 GMT, jms...@aol.com (Jms at B5) proclaimed:
> >
> > >>Have they decided on aspect ratio?
> > >>
> > >
> > >Widescreen.
> >
> > My question: True widescreen? The DVD of "The Gathering" and "In the
> > Beginning" that we have is cropped at the top and bottom. I.e. -
> > there are bits that are missing. I don't want the episodes with
> > things missing. But if it is *true* widescreen, I'm there!
>
>
> I'm there, regardless, if only for the extras.
>
I'm in the queue for them as soon as Region 2 get released...my tapes are
starting to get a bit warn down!!

BoredGuy

Jms at B5

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Jun 10, 2002, 3:26:59 PM6/10/02
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>ny chance of comentaries by any of the other writers? Or some of the
>cast or crew?

They're currently investigating all possibililties.

Jms at B5

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> (it's a matter of how much time and energy I can give to it
>given
>> that there's no fees involved
>
>They're not paying you, ...anything? ???

No. It's WB's policy that they don't pay to have people do commentaries. The
problem here is that there's so *much* that they want...an on-camera interview,
two to four full commentaries, and further analyses on the races, technologies,
politics, all that stuff...it's a huge amount of work. But their response was
that if it wasn't done for free, across the board, they'd just deliver a
foreshortened version, little to no extras, no publicity, little to nothing
without my commentary, which they feel is essential to the set. Rather than
have a lesser version go out to the fans, I figured I'd just bite the bullet
and do it.

Jms at B5

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Jun 10, 2002, 3:30:45 PM6/10/02
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>
>What about the sound? Will they make me happy (and my neighbors mad)
>and give me Babylon 5 in Dolby Digital 5.1?

The sound is being remastered to 5.1.

Jms at B5

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>My question: True widescreen? The DVD of "The Gathering" and "In the
>Beginning" that we have is cropped at the top and bottom. I.e. -
>there are bits that are missing. I don't want the episodes with
>things missing. But if it is *true* widescreen, I'm there!

The only things that I'm aware of that were cropped in those were the CGI and
composite scenes, since we can't go back and re-render all that stuff.

Mac Breck

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"Jms at B5" <jms...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >My question: True widescreen? The DVD of "The Gathering" and "In the
> >Beginning" that we have is cropped at the top and bottom. I.e. -
> >there are bits that are missing. I don't want the episodes with
> >things missing. But if it is *true* widescreen, I'm there!
>
> The only things that I'm aware of that were cropped in those were the CGI
and
> composite scenes, since we can't go back and re-render all that stuff.

"Can't" because the materials, that would be needed to do a re-render
(whatever those are, I don't know), are gone (misplaced, thrown out, or
destroyed), ..*or*.. because there is no time and/or no money to do the
re-render?

Mac Breck
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Crusade - The Memory of War)

>

Mac Breck

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"Jms at B5" <jms...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> > (it's a matter of how much time and energy I can give to it
> >given
> >> that there's no fees involved
> >
> >They're not paying you, ...anything? ???
>
> No. It's WB's policy that they don't pay to have people do commentaries.
The
> problem here is that there's so *much* that they want...an on-camera
interview,
> two to four full commentaries, and further analyses on the races,
technologies,
> politics, all that stuff...it's a huge amount of work. But their response
was
> that if it wasn't done for free, across the board, they'd just deliver a
> foreshortened version, little to no extras, no publicity, little to
nothing
> without my commentary, which they feel is essential to the set.

Reminds me of a line that a soul hunter once said to Sinclair about Delenn
and the Minbari. Three words, and you know what they are.


> Rather than
> have a lesser version go out to the fans, I figured I'd just bite the
bullet
> and do it.

Thanks. I appreciate it. It'll be the main reason for me buying all the
DVD sets.

Mac Breck
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Dirk A. Loedding

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In article <20020609210543...@mb-ca.aol.com>,

jms...@aol.com (Jms at B5) wrote:

>Season One will be out in a boxed set this Fall, and they're going to be

[snip]

Abso-fraggin-lutely wonderful!

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Paul Harper

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Jun 10, 2002, 4:29:31 PM6/10/02
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On 10 Jun 2002 19:30:03 GMT, jms...@aol.com (Jms at B5) wrote:

>I figured I'd just bite the bullet
>and do it.

Well done. Personally, I think it's effing cheeky of a company like WB
that's already made a lot of money from B5 *not* to give something
back to those people giving up their time, but there you go. That's
Hollyweird for you :-)

Paul.

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Aphelion

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Jun 10, 2002, 12:25:15 AM6/10/02
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> Widescreen.
>
> jms

But doesn't that mean cropped SFX shots? If I remember correctly only the
live action was shot in WS, the CGI was composed for full frame. Personally
I'd rather sacrifice the live action WS for the majesty of the SFX, since
the performances and writing shine either way, and the full frame live
action doesn't detract from the product at all. My two cents (my $100 or so
to the box set anyway).

Aphelion


Joseph DeMartino

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> Yeah, it's real...I was holding off saying anything until WB or
someone else
> could announce it, but since it's come up here via the captioning
> institute...yeah, as noted, it's real.

> They're pulling together a lot of stuff on this release so that there


are
> plenty of extras this time around, now that the value of the DVDs has
been
> shown by the first release

Yes! Yes! Yes! YES!!!!!!

I've only been lobbying Warner Home Video for this since about 1997,
having written countless letters through I-don't-know-how-many changes
in personnel over there. To finally get "B5" on home video the way it
*deserves* to be seen is something very close to a dream come true.
Most important of all is that fact that they are involving *you* in the
project, the one point I've always stressed above all in my
communications with them. (On the theory that if you were keeping an
eye on things, I'd get everything else I wanted. <g>)

Congratulations. I know this release is going to be even better than
what you'd envisioned when you first talked about an eventual widescreen
collector's edition on laserdisc all those years ago.

Regards,

Joe

KBTibbs

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Jun 10, 2002, 3:58:28 PM6/10/02
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Right now, my entire neighborhood is doing a "Lennier" (i.e.
Woohoo???) ;)

Ok...entire season of DVD's... :::check da wallet::: hmm. Need to cut
back something. Cable TV? can't cut that. Broadband internet. Not
that either. Hmm... That leaves gasoline, food, lights, and the A/C
that gotta go. Guess that settles that ;) Now all I need is a high
quality DVD player (not this DVD/toaster oven I got), a 32 in.
Widescreen HDTV (instead of this 20 in 19 year old and once struck by
lighting literally), and Dolby 5.1 surround sound (instead of barely
stereo...the left is starting to go out).

Any idea on Price yet? (crosses fingers for $29.95)

Well, I gotta go find a buyer for one of my kidneys...

Timothy A. McDaniel

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In article <20020609210543...@mb-ca.aol.com>,

Jms at B5 <jms...@aol.com> wrote:
>Season One will be out in a boxed set this Fall

How many episodes per disk (and, thus, how many disks per season)?

I'd ask "How much?", but the answer is
- "Too much."
- "NEVER ASK THAT!"

--
Tim McDaniel is tm...@jump.net; if that fail,
tm...@us.ibm.com is my work account.
"To join the Clueless Club, send a followup to this message quoting everything
up to and including this sig!" -- Jukka....@hut.fi (Jukka Korpela)

Jay Denebeim

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Jun 10, 2002, 4:45:40 PM6/10/02
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In article <c926b0f.02061...@posting.google.com>,
Paul McElligott <mcell...@cox.net> wrote:

>Unfortunately "the recession is over" only means that we've stopped
>going backwards. It doesn't NECESSARILY imply forward motion yet.

Who told you that? It's a rumor as far as i can tell. The tech
market is as bad or worse as it's been. NorTel is laying off another
3500 employees, so is IBM, and Lucent is still dying. These are just
companies I've got friends working at.

Mac Breck

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"Aphelion" <pre...@dreamscape.com> wrote in message
news:ug8a8ed...@corp.supernews.com...

> > Widescreen.
> >
> > jms
>
> But doesn't that mean cropped SFX shots?

Yes. He answered this further down the thread.

Claudia Mastroianni

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KBTibbs <KBT...@yahoo.com> wrote:
: Ok...entire season of DVD's... :::check da wallet::: hmm. Need to cut

: back something. Cable TV? can't cut that. Broadband internet. Not
: that either. Hmm... That leaves gasoline, food, lights, and the A/C
: that gotta go. Guess that settles that ;) Now all I need is a high
: quality DVD player (not this DVD/toaster oven I got), a 32 in.
: Widescreen HDTV (instead of this 20 in 19 year old and once struck by
: lighting literally), and Dolby 5.1 surround sound (instead of barely
: stereo...the left is starting to go out).

And then all you need is to plug the player, TV and sound system into a
source of electricity dependent neither on your electric bill nor a
gasoline supply, since you zapped those already. ;-)

I'm very interested in how many episodes per disc. Gotta start
reserving the shelfspace.

Claudia
--
"Even if we never talk again after tonight, please know that I'm
forever changed because of who you are and what you've meant to me,
which - while I do appreciate it - I'd never need a painting of birds
bought at a diner to remind me of." -- Holden, Chasing Amy

Cedara

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Jun 10, 2002, 5:52:04 PM6/10/02
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Hi,

curious question - will it be for other regions than R1 too? (It
doesn't matter as long those aren't RCE dvds.)

Thanks.


Manuela

Paul McElligott

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Jun 10, 2002, 9:42:25 PM6/10/02
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Well, the recession applies to the whole economy. Even if the tech sector
is still contracting, other sectors of the economy may be making up for it.

I never said I agreed that the recession was over. It may be "over" in
purely technical terms (i.e. the GDP didn't shrink last quarter) but we're
still a long way from recovery.

And "recovery" will probably NEVER equal the euphoric heights of the late
'90s.

"Jay Denebeim" <dene...@deepthot.org> wrote in message
news:ae335k$k8h$1...@dent.deepthot.org...

Paul McElligott

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Jun 10, 2002, 9:47:29 PM6/10/02
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Oh, yeah! Woof! Woof! Woof!

If you hear any reports of man arrested for standing naked on his roof
screaming Celtic pagan war chants.... don't worry. I'll be out of jail by
the time season 1 ships.

"Jms at B5" <jms...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20020610153045...@mb-mj.aol.com...

Scifi451

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Jun 10, 2002, 5:52:56 PM6/10/02
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<< No. It's WB's policy that they don't pay to have people do commentaries.
The
problem here is that there's so *much* that they want...an on-camera interview,
two to four full commentaries, and further analyses on the races, technologies,
politics, all that stuff...it's a huge amount of work. But their response was
that if it wasn't done for free, across the board, they'd just deliver a
foreshortened version, little to no extras, no publicity, little to nothing
without my commentary, which they feel is essential to the set. Rather than
have a lesser version go out to the fans, I figured I'd just bite the bullet
and do it.

jms
>>


I just want to say THANK YOU JMS!! You could have opted out and not done any
extras, but you care for the fans, THANK YOU!!


Cynthia

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zzcw...@fox.uq.net.au (C W CHAN) wrote in message news:<advecr$637$1...@bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au>...

> Not that I'm complaining about this bit of news, and I am really
> not trying to jinx this, but recalling JMS's cryptic post regarding
> the news of DVDs:
>
> JMS> There's nothing that I can share at this time that would not
> JMS> preclude others in the food chain from doing the same on this
> JMS> subject.
>
> either:
>
> This is a hoax (well, it may be lunchtime somewhere in the world,
> but it ain't april anywhere)
>
> OR
>
> The studio heads has had their thunder stolen (the best laid plans...)
>
>
> Please, please let it be the latter.
>
> (Hey, maybe someone can ask really nicely about the transfer, extras,
> and all that *grin*)
>
> On another point, would anyone else offer to do the captions for B5 for
> nothing (well, maybe room and board). Perhaps we should tell Cynthia
> to watch it in order, and not to skip around the episodes? Who knows,
> we may get a new fan?
>
> Chuen Chan c.c...@uq.net.au

I promise it's not a hoax! LOL Honestly, the National Captioning
Institute in Burbank is hard at work on the eps. [www.ncicap.org for
you suspicious types *g*] We don't have any "extras," though, just the
episodes themselves. I have no clue as to whether there will be
extras, I'm just a worker bee. Although I'll be sure to let the boss
know how many offers I've had for free QC checks!

And alas, I don't have the luxury of watching them in order, or even
of watching ALL of them that come in, although I intend to watch as
many as I can during dinner breaks, etc. I never watched the show when
it originally aired *hanging head in shame* but as a longtime Chris
Carter/X-Files fan I gained a respect of JMS as a human being (that
rarest of breeds in H'Wood) during the "World on Fire" debacle, which
was when I first lurked on this board. My respect has grown over this
past weekend.

Cynthia


Cynthia

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jms...@aol.com (Jms at B5) wrote in message news:<20020609210543...@mb-ca.aol.com>...
>
> Yeah, it's real...I was holding off saying anything until WB or someone else
> could announce it, but since it's come up here via the captioning
> institute...yeah, as noted, it's real.

Whoa, jeeze -- am I in duck soup for pre-announcing? You guys won't
rat me out will ya???

The good news is, after himself e-mailed me some info (which was
enormously helpful, thank you!) I talked to the woman who coordinates
our work for Warner. Seems she never ASKED for the scripts, because we
are reformatting the original caption files we did waybackwhen. What
she didn't realize was that we never had the scripts in the first
place, nor Internet access to do research or ask the fans. She is
contacting them to request the scripts, so hopefully we will get
everything right. (I would cringe to admit how many errors were in the
ep I worked on the other night. To say nothing of the fact that at
that time we did not caption verbatim -- we condensed lines into what
would encode in the old, old software. Ugly.)

Believe it or not, captioning ain't as easy as it looks -- despite
being essentially paid to watch TV all day. And without scripts, we
have to go by what we hear, and with a show with created jargon, such
as most scifi shows use, we end up spelling things phonetically. Again
... ugly. I'd much rather have the writers' own version!

And yes, I really do work at NCI and am one of the shop stewards.
Jeeze, you guys must have been burned by a good number of pranksters
-- I'm sorry I stirred that up! But I hope the end product will be
worth the anxiety, if not the wait.

JMS, thank you again. My boss was mighty impressed. There isn't
another client who would have stepped up to the plate the way you did.
I hope our tiny corner of the B5 world can measure up to your
professionalism.

Cynthia Delmar
Senior Caption Editor (really!)
NCI (honest!)


Aaron Malchow

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Jun 10, 2002, 8:25:06 PM6/10/02
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JMS wrote:
"No. It's WB's policy that they don't pay to have people do commentaries. The
problem here is that there's so *much* that they want...an on-camera interview,
two to four full commentaries, and further analyses on the races, technologies,
politics, all that stuff...it's a huge amount of work. But their response was
that if it wasn't done for free, across the board, they'd just deliver a
foreshortened version, little to no extras, no publicity, little to nothing
without my commentary, which they feel is essential to the set. Rather than
have a lesser version go out to the fans, I figured I'd just bite the bullet
and do it."


I'm very appreciative of your willingness to do this, given the rather unfair
situation. Hopefully, one day WB's policy will change to compensate people for
setting aside time to offer their commentary.

Take care,
Aaron Malchow


Jay Denebeim

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Jun 10, 2002, 10:09:37 PM6/10/02
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In article <a96ff9de.02061...@posting.google.com>,
Cynthia <cde...@ncicap.org> wrote:

>I promise it's not a hoax!

Ah, don't mind the inhabitants. Whenever you make a post on usenet
*some*body is going to tell you you're wrong. You just basically have
to learn who knows what they're talking about from who's a Cliff
Clayborne wannabe by reading them for awhile.

Sometimes it doesn't take very long :-) You seemed like a hoopy frood
who knows where her towel is from your first post.

>And alas, I don't have the luxury of watching them in order, or even
>of watching ALL of them that come in, although I intend to watch as
>many as I can during dinner breaks, etc.

Well, so hurry up with the closed captioning so that you can buy the
set. Then watch them. In order...

BTW a friend of mine wanted to get into B5 while it was around half
way through the second season. She didn't want to start watching
until she caught up, so I took tapes up to her, she watched a season
and a half straight, over a weekend. I was impressed.

>I never watched the show when it originally aired *hanging head in
>shame* but as a longtime Chris Carter/X-Files fan I gained a respect
>of JMS as a human being (that rarest of breeds in H'Wood) during the
>"World on Fire" debacle, which was when I first lurked on this board.

Debacle? I don't think we've heard about what happened with that.
Care to enlighten us?

>My respect has grown over this past weekend.

Past weekend???

Jay Denebeim

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Jun 10, 2002, 10:15:20 PM6/10/02
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>Jeeze, you guys must have been burned by a good number of pranksters

Yeah, up to and including a fairly well pulled off death of jms hoax.

Chris Adams

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Jun 10, 2002, 10:43:52 PM6/10/02
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Once upon a time, Jay Denebeim <dene...@deepthot.org> said:
>Ah, don't mind the inhabitants. Whenever you make a post on usenet
>*some*body is going to tell you you're wrong. You just basically have
>to learn who knows what they're talking about from who's a Cliff
>Clayborne wannabe by reading them for awhile.

Cliff Clayborne? Who's that? I think you mean Cliff Clavin.

Sorry, couldn't resist. :-)
--
Chris Adams <cma...@hiwaay.net>
Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services
I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble.

Aisling Willow Grey

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Jun 10, 2002, 10:44:05 PM6/10/02
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>>Paul McElligott wrote:

> Oh, yeah! Woof! Woof! Woof!
>
> If you hear any reports of man arrested for standing naked on his roof
> screaming Celtic pagan war chants....<<

Sounds like an average night in my neighborhood...

:-D

Aisling Grey
Former Philadelphia SciFi carwrap victim
(Don't tell them I left G'Kar on the back left window)

John Hudgens (Fenn)

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Jun 10, 2002, 10:46:20 PM6/10/02
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The B5 CGI was *composed* for a widescreen image, but had to be
rendered at 4:3... the tops and bottoms of those shots are meant to be
cropped, just like any film that is shot flat (1.85:1) and the matted
and projected in a theatre...
Don't worry about it....

Fenn

Aisling Willow Grey

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Jun 10, 2002, 10:47:13 PM6/10/02
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>>Timothy A. McDaniel wrote:

> In article <20020609210543...@mb-ca.aol.com>,
> Jms at B5 <jms...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>Season One will be out in a boxed set this Fall
>>
>
> How many episodes per disk (and, thus, how many disks per season)?
>
> I'd ask "How much?", but the answer is
> - "Too much."
> - "NEVER ASK THAT!"<<

Too much? Nah, these things are _priceless_. Whatever they cost, I'll
pay. Woo hoo for plastic!

Aisling Willow Grey

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Jun 10, 2002, 10:56:15 PM6/10/02
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Having LOTS of trouble getting this one through, after MANY tries last
night and today. Help, moderators, help!:

>>Jms at B5 wrote:

>>The jollies I'm getting right now is that it looks like DVD is for
real....


>>
>
> Yeah, it's real...I was holding off saying anything until WB or
someone else
> could announce it, but since it's come up here via the captioning
> institute...yeah, as noted, it's real.
>

> Season One will be out in a boxed set this Fall, and they're going to be

> including at minimum two commentaries from me, probably on Signs and
Portents
> and Chrysalis (it's a matter of how much time and energy I can give
to it given
> that there's no fees involved and I'm in the midst of Jeremiah), and if
> possible, Babylon Squared, maybe Sky Full of Stars. They'd also like
to film
> an on-camera intro by me (but I guess folks will buy it anyway, even
with that
> particular horror included).


>
> They're pulling together a lot of stuff on this release so that there are
> plenty of extras this time around, now that the value of the DVDs has
been
> shown by the first release

> .
>
> jms
>
> (jms...@aol.com)
> (all message content (c) 2002 by synthetic worlds, ltd.,
> permission to reprint specifically denied to SFX Magazine
> and don't send me story ideas)<<


JMS,

As I sit here convalescing with my two broken shoulders, barely able to
type (cue the violins, please), this poor, devoted injured fan of yours
struggles diligently at the keyboard to painstakingly peck out the one
question uppermost in my mind tonight: will we get an alternate track
for MotFL, with the beloved teapot included??

Fingers crossed (ouch!),

Aisling Willow Grey

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Jun 10, 2002, 10:41:12 PM6/10/02
to
>>Jms at B5 wrote:

>>The jollies I'm getting right now is that it looks like DVD is for real....
>>
>
> Yeah, it's real...I was holding off saying anything until WB or someone else
> could announce it, but since it's come up here via the captioning
> institute...yeah, as noted, it's real.
>
> Season One will be out in a boxed set this Fall, and they're going to be
> including at minimum two commentaries from me, probably on Signs and Portents
> and Chrysalis (it's a matter of how much time and energy I can give to it given
> that there's no fees involved and I'm in the midst of Jeremiah), and if
> possible, Babylon Squared, maybe Sky Full of Stars. They'd also like to film
> an on-camera intro by me (but I guess folks will buy it anyway, even with that
> particular horror included).
>
> They're pulling together a lot of stuff on this release so that there are
> plenty of extras this time around, now that the value of the DVDs has been
> shown by the first release
> .
>
> jms
>
> (jms...@aol.com)
> (all message content (c) 2002 by synthetic worlds, ltd.,
> permission to reprint specifically denied to SFX Magazine
> and don't send me story ideas)<<

Having LOTS of trouble getting through, so am re-posting this one from
last night:

*********

Chris Patterson

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jms...@aol.com (Jms at B5) wrote in message news:<20020610153003...@mb-mj.aol.com>...

> The problem here is that there's so *much* that they want...an on-camera
> interview, two to four full commentaries, and further analyses on the races,
> technologies, politics, all that stuff...it's a huge amount of work. But
> their response was that if it wasn't done for free, across the board, they'd
> just deliver a foreshortened version, little to no extras, no publicity,
> little to nothing without my commentary, which they feel is essential to the
> set. Rather than have a lesser version go out to the fans, I figured I'd
> just bite the bullet and do it.

Joe, you're too cool. You *know* we're all gonna buy the discs no
matter whether the extras are included or not, and you're still making
the time to do it. *Please* don't let this affect your health too
much!

Is there any way the fans or others can help? For instance, would WB
consider having you do short introductions for other people, who then
use info from the Lurker's Guide? Even though there'd be fewer new
tidbits of information for the fans who are already familiar with the
LG, I think it would be worth it if it kept you from getting too
strung out.

Oh, one little request -- could you include that chronology from the
B5 magazine on the discs? :)

--
====================================================================
Chris Patterson
A one-question geek test: If you get the joke, you're a geek.
Seen on the license plate of a VW Beetle: "FEATURE"

Tlsmith1963

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Jun 10, 2002, 11:46:36 PM6/10/02
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>Yeah, up to and including a fairly well pulled off death of jms hoax.
>
>Jay

Someone just tried to make everyone believe that Claudia Black had died over at
a Farscape site. The jerk!

Of course, it wasn't true.

Tammy
B5 New Beginnings
http://hometown.aol.com/tlsmith1963/myhomepage/babylon5.html

Paul McElligott

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Jun 11, 2002, 12:11:27 AM6/11/02
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Neighbor!!!

"Aisling Willow Grey" <ais...@fjordstone.com> wrote in message
news:3D0564A4...@fjordstone.com...

Eric Eufusia

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Jun 11, 2002, 12:12:15 AM6/11/02
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Thanks Much!!!


> Rather than
> have a lesser version go out to the fans, I figured I'd
> just bite the bullet
> and do it.
>

Jeffrey MacHott

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"Paul McElligott" <mcell...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:c926b0f.02061...@posting.google.com...
> "Joseph DeMartino" <jdem...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:<000401c20f76$e2c564e0$a8045141@kosh>...
>

<snip>

> I just wish that these companies would realize that hiring and
> retraining are usually a hell of lot more expensive than biting the
> bullet and standing by their employees through rough times.

Southwest Airlines has a reputation for never laying off employees, IIRC.
I've heard that they've been known to employ their pilots in jobs such as
baggage handlers during rough times, but they've never done layoffs such as
the other major airlines have done.

Also, they save money by not giving the passengers food on flights :*)

--Jeff

>
> Best of luck.
>
>


Jeffrey MacHott

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"Claudia Mastroianni" <cma...@fas.harvard.edu> wrote in message
news:ae36ej$4na$1...@news.fas.harvard.edu...
> KBTibbs <KBT...@yahoo.com> wrote:


> And then all you need is to plug the player, TV and sound system into a
> source of electricity dependent neither on your electric bill nor a
> gasoline supply, since you zapped those already. ;-)
>

Get a very hyperactive dog (or a small child) and a giant hamster wheel.
Connect that to a generator. Enjoy. :*)

OR... connect a generator to a stationary bike, and stay in shape while
watching B5!! (I may be onto something here! :*)

--Jeff

Jeffrey MacHott

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Jun 11, 2002, 12:55:26 AM6/11/02
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"Pål Are Nordal" <dr...@spamcop.net> wrote in message
news:3D0474F4...@spamcop.net...

> Jms at B5 wrote:
> >
> > Season One will be out in a boxed set this Fall, and they're going to be
> > including at minimum two commentaries from me,
>
> Any chance of comentaries by any of the other writers? Or some of the
> cast or crew?

Just a crazy/stupid idea on my part... have a commentary by Lt. Corwin. Not
the actor. The actual character, who has been running around in the
background on the show for most of the series :*)

I can relate to Corwin, we're both what I call "Background Characters",
rarely in the center of things, but often there :*)

--Jeff


Robert Perkins

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Jun 11, 2002, 12:39:11 AM6/11/02