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Cynthia

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Jun 8, 2002, 7:25:32 AM6/8/02
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I work for the company doing the closed-captioning of Babylon 5 for
DVD release. We are reformatting the captions from the original files,
which were mostly done without scripts. We have the first six episodes
here already (I'll be doing 1 & 2 myself tomorrow) but alas, still no
scripts.

(Basically, I said to my boss, "Hey, JMS is a very cool guy, posts
online all the time -- someone ought to contact him and ask for copies
of the scripts." She, naturally, said, "Great idea! Go ahead!" LOL
Serves me right. However, I am NOT gonna just e-mail the man. Nuh-uh.)

Anyway, does anyone have suggestions as to where the best, most
authentic sites would be for verifying things like spellings of
names/places etc? Someone who might have had access to those scripts
and would therefore have it for-sure right? I'd REALLY like us to get
this stuff right.

Thanks,

Cynthia Delmar, Senior Caption Editor
National Captioning Institute
Burbank, CA

Moyra J. Bligh

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Jun 9, 2002, 1:04:01 AM6/9/02
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On 8 Jun 2002 04:25:32 -0700, cde...@ncicap.org (Cynthia) wrote:

>Anyway, does anyone have suggestions as to where the best, most
>authentic sites would be for verifying things like spellings of
>names/places etc?

I'd go with Lurkers
http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/lurker.html

Guide to the first episode lives here
http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/us/guide/001.html

And may I be the first to say - Thank You! and Hurray!
You've just made a ton of peoples weekends by posting this.

Posted & emailed.

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Joseph DeMartino

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Jun 9, 2002, 1:31:18 AM6/9/02
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> Anyway, does anyone have suggestions as to where the best, most
> authentic sites would be for verifying things like spellings of
> names/places etc? Someone who might have had access to those scripts
> and would therefore have it for-sure right? I'd REALLY like us to get
> this stuff right.

I'd be more than happy to verify this stuff for you. Just send me the
episodes on disc as you finish them and I'll get right on it. <g>

Slightly more seriously, there's always "The Lurker's Guide to BABYLON
5", which is probably the best "B5" info site.

http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/lurker.html

And, in all seriousness, feel free to send me anything you're not sure
of via e-mail at NOSPAMj...@bellsouth.net (Just remove the NOSPAM
from the link.) I am only working part time at the moment (somebody
forgot to tell people hereabouts that the recession is over) and have
way too much time on my hands. After four years of lobbying Warner
Bros. to get the DVDs released, it would be a real kick if I could
contribute in some small way to their quality.

Regards,

Joe

C W CHAN

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Jun 9, 2002, 7:32:43 AM6/9/02
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cde...@ncicap.org (Cynthia) writes:

>I work for the company doing the closed-captioning of Babylon 5 for
>DVD release. We are reformatting the captions from the original files,
>which were mostly done without scripts. We have the first six episodes
>here already (I'll be doing 1 & 2 myself tomorrow) but alas, still no
>scripts.

Not that I'm complaining about this bit of news, and I am really
not trying to jinx this, but recalling JMS's cryptic post regarding
the news of DVDs:

JMS> There's nothing that I can share at this time that would not
JMS> preclude others in the food chain from doing the same on this
JMS> subject.

either:

This is a hoax (well, it may be lunchtime somewhere in the world,
but it ain't april anywhere)

OR

The studio heads has had their thunder stolen (the best laid plans...)


Please, please let it be the latter.

(Hey, maybe someone can ask really nicely about the transfer, extras,
and all that *grin*)

On another point, would anyone else offer to do the captions for B5 for
nothing (well, maybe room and board). Perhaps we should tell Cynthia
to watch it in order, and not to skip around the episodes? Who knows,
we may get a new fan?

Chuen Chan c.c...@uq.net.au
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Tim

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Jun 9, 2002, 8:58:47 AM6/9/02
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Sounds like someones trying to have us on to me. 'Cynthia Delmar, Senior
Caption Editor'. Are we really ment to believe this is anything but someone
getting their jollies at our expense? Come on....

"Cynthia" <cde...@ncicap.org> wrote in message
news:a96ff9de.02060...@posting.google.com...

Brian O'Neill

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Jun 9, 2002, 10:11:07 AM6/9/02
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Well, it's not absolutely for certain accurate, but I wrote it BASED in
either the existing captioning or what JMS has posted online, when
either was available. Some cases may not be 100% accurate, but I'm not
aware of any:

http://www.oinc.net/B5/Enc/

-Brian

Moyra J. Bligh

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Jun 9, 2002, 3:22:38 PM6/9/02
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On 9 Jun 2002 11:32:43 GMT, zzcw...@fox.uq.net.au (C W CHAN) wrote:

>The studio heads has had their thunder stolen (the best laid plans...)

Methinks they've had their thunder stolen. <g>

Her e-mail address works, she's responded to me.

http://www.ncicap.org/
Is the National Captioning Institute.

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Blair Leatherwood

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Jun 9, 2002, 3:13:40 PM6/9/02
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Google is a marvelous thing. You can confirm that the National Captioning
Institute exists. You can see what they've done. You can even find Cynthia
Delmar listed as a shop steward for NCI as a member of NABET Local 53. You can
research just about anything on Google to get a really good idea if someone's
pulling your leg...or not.

The jollies I'm getting right now is that it looks like DVD is for real....

Jms at B5

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Jun 9, 2002, 9:05:43 PM6/9/02
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>The jollies I'm getting right now is that it looks like DVD is for real....

Yeah, it's real...I was holding off saying anything until WB or someone else
could announce it, but since it's come up here via the captioning
institute...yeah, as noted, it's real.

Season One will be out in a boxed set this Fall, and they're going to be
including at minimum two commentaries from me, probably on Signs and Portents
and Chrysalis (it's a matter of how much time and energy I can give to it given
that there's no fees involved and I'm in the midst of Jeremiah), and if
possible, Babylon Squared, maybe Sky Full of Stars. They'd also like to film
an on-camera intro by me (but I guess folks will buy it anyway, even with that
particular horror included).

They're pulling together a lot of stuff on this release so that there are
plenty of extras this time around, now that the value of the DVDs has been
shown by the first release
.

jms

(jms...@aol.com)
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permission to reprint specifically denied to SFX Magazine
and don't send me story ideas)


Jan

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Jun 9, 2002, 9:33:28 PM6/9/02
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JMS posted:

<,Season One will be out in a boxed set this Fall, and they're going to be


including at minimum two commentaries from me, probably on Signs and Portents
and Chrysalis (it's a matter of how much time and energy I can give to it given
that there's no fees involved and I'm in the midst of Jeremiah), and if
possible, Babylon Squared, maybe Sky Full of Stars. They'd also like to film
an on-camera intro by me (but I guess folks will buy it anyway, even with that
particular horror included).>>

YYYIIIPPPEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jan

Wesley Struebing

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Jun 9, 2002, 11:20:24 AM6/9/02
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On 8 Jun 2002 04:25:32 -0700, cde...@ncicap.org (Cynthia) wrote:

>I work for the company doing the closed-captioning of Babylon 5 for
>DVD release. We are reformatting the captions from the original files,
>which were mostly done without scripts. We have the first six episodes
>here already (I'll be doing 1 & 2 myself tomorrow) but alas, still no
>scripts.
>

WOOHOO! (unoffically, of course...)
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Reed Snellenberger

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Jun 9, 2002, 10:28:16 PM6/9/02
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Jms at B5 wrote:

> and Chrysalis (it's a matter of how much time and energy I can give to it given
> that there's no fees involved and I'm in the midst of Jeremiah), and if

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Do you take MasterCard?

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WRWhite963

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Jun 9, 2002, 10:50:54 PM6/9/02
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>
>Season One will be out in a boxed set this Fall, and they're going to be
>including at minimum two commentaries from me, probably on Signs and Portents
>and Chrysalis (it's a matter of how much time and energy I can give to it
>given
>that there's no fees involved and I'm in the midst of Jeremiah), and if
>possible, Babylon Squared, maybe Sky Full of Stars. They'd also like to film
>an on-camera intro by me (but I guess folks will buy it anyway, even with
>that
>particular horror included).
>

Much rejoicing!

As for the intro, we'd love to hear your thoughts on B5 - no horror there. We
saw you at least once in Sleeping in Light - the camera doesn't hate you, Joe.
(Now I'm reminded of a classic Animaniacs toon - paraphrased: (german accent)
"Repeat after me: The camera doesn't hate me. The camera is NOT a big
schpider..."

And I'm relieved they're not skimping on extras (although they should pay you
*something*...) I'd feared the eventual sets to have a "poor cousin" quality
about them, compared to releases for other shows...

Have they decided on aspect ratio?

Thanks again!
Walter R. White

Jms at B5

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Jun 10, 2002, 12:05:28 AM6/10/02
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>Have they decided on aspect ratio?
>

Widescreen.

jms

Christian Smith

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Jun 10, 2002, 3:24:16 AM6/10/02
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On 10 Jun 2002 01:05:43 GMT,jms...@aol.com (Jms at B5) wrote

>>The jollies I'm getting right now is that it looks like DVD is for real....
>
>Yeah, it's real...I was holding off saying anything until WB or someone else
>could announce it, but since it's come up here via the captioning
>institute...yeah, as noted, it's real.
>>

Wooohoo!!!


>Season One will be out in a boxed set this Fall, and they're going to be
>including at minimum two commentaries from me, probably on Signs and Portents
>and Chrysalis (it's a matter of how much time and energy I can give to it given
>that there's no fees involved and I'm in the midst of Jeremiah), and if
>possible, Babylon Squared, maybe Sky Full of Stars. They'd also like to film
>an on-camera intro by me (but I guess folks will buy it anyway, even with that
>particular horror included).

Just keeps getting better...


>They're pulling together a lot of stuff on this release so that there are
>plenty of extras this time around, now that the value of the DVDs has been
>shown by the first release
>.

And better...

And widescreen too!!!

My bank is going to hate me!

Any idea of the release schedule for the rest of the seasons?

Christian

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Tlsmith1963

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Jun 10, 2002, 5:01:53 AM6/10/02
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Yes! Yes! Yes! I was ready to jump up in the air & yell loudly when I read
your post, Joe! This is *fantastic* news! :)

Tammy
B5 New Beginnings
http://hometown.aol.com/tlsmith1963/myhomepage/babylon5.html

Pål Are Nordal

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Jun 10, 2002, 5:44:20 AM6/10/02
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Jms at B5 wrote:
>
> Season One will be out in a boxed set this Fall, and they're going to be
> including at minimum two commentaries from me,

Any chance of comentaries by any of the other writers? Or some of the
cast or crew?


Jay Denebeim

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Jun 10, 2002, 11:13:22 AM6/10/02
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In article <advecr$637$1...@bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au>,

C W CHAN <zzcw...@fox.uq.net.au> wrote:

>Perhaps we should tell Cynthia to watch it in order, and not to skip
>around the episodes? Who knows, we may get a new fan?

Um, judging by the fact that she knew to post here and she called Joe,
Joe, I'd say you're a little late. She's already a fan.

Jay
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Sue

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Jun 10, 2002, 12:59:54 PM6/10/02
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On 10 Jun 2002 04:05:28 GMT, jms...@aol.com (Jms at B5) proclaimed:

>>Have they decided on aspect ratio?
>>
>
>Widescreen.

My question: True widescreen? The DVD of "The Gathering" and "In the
Beginning" that we have is cropped at the top and bottom. I.e. -
there are bits that are missing. I don't want the episodes with
things missing. But if it is *true* widescreen, I'm there!

Sue


Mac Breck

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Jun 10, 2002, 1:08:30 PM6/10/02
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"Sue" <vam...@attglobal.net> wrote in message
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I'm there, regardless, if only for the extras.

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"Jms at B5" <jms...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >The jollies I'm getting right now is that it looks like DVD is for
real....
>
> Yeah, it's real...I was holding off saying anything until WB or someone
else
> could announce it, but since it's come up here via the captioning
> institute...yeah, as noted, it's real.
>
> Season One will be out in a boxed set this Fall, and they're going to be
> including at minimum two commentaries from me, probably on Signs and
Portents
> and Chrysalis (it's a matter of how much time and energy I can give to it
given
> that there's no fees involved

They're not paying you, ...anything? ???

> and I'm in the midst of Jeremiah), and if
> possible, Babylon Squared, maybe Sky Full of Stars. They'd also like to
film
> an on-camera intro by me (but I guess folks will buy it anyway, even with
that
> particular horror included).
>
> They're pulling together a lot of stuff on this release so that there are
> plenty of extras this time around, now that the value of the DVDs has been
> shown by the first release
> .
>
> jms
>
> (jms...@aol.com)
> (all message content (c) 2002 by synthetic worlds, ltd.,
> permission to reprint specifically denied to SFX Magazine
> and don't send me story ideas)

Regarding the extras, YAY!!!!!!! :-)

Paul McElligott

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Jun 10, 2002, 1:42:42 PM6/10/02
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Pål Are Nordal <dr...@spamcop.net> wrote in message news:<3D0474F4...@spamcop.net>...

I think a commentary track by Jerry Doyle would be most entertaining.

It would also be great in the guys from Foundation Imaging could have
a commentary track.

Paul McElligott

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jms...@aol.com (Jms at B5) wrote in message news:<20020610000528...@mb-fk.aol.com>...

> >Have they decided on aspect ratio?
> >
>
> Widescreen.
>
> jms
> jms
>

Little bit of a stutter there, Joe?

Anyway, I hope I don't need to ask if the episodes are in ANAMORPHIC widescreen.

Paul McElligott

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Jun 10, 2002, 1:47:02 PM6/10/02
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jms...@aol.com (Jms at B5) wrote in message news:<20020609210543...@mb-ca.aol.com>...

>
> Season One will be out in a boxed set this Fall,

Between B5 and the Star Trek: TNG boxes, I'm going to need to float a
second mortgage this fall.

Too bad I don't own a house.

Pål Are Nordal

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Jun 10, 2002, 1:51:48 PM6/10/02
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Paul McElligott wrote:
>
> It would also be great in the guys from Foundation Imaging could have
> a commentary track.

Judging from the Roughnecks: The Starship Troopers DVDs they'd certainly
be willing.

Personally, I'd love to see Larry DiTillio do a couple.


Paul McElligott

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jms...@aol.com (Jms at B5) wrote in message news:<20020609210543...@mb-ca.aol.com>...
> >The jollies I'm getting right now is that it looks like DVD is for real....
>
> Yeah, it's real...I was holding off saying anything until WB or someone else
> could announce it, but since it's come up here via the captioning
> institute...yeah, as noted, it's real.
>
> Season One will be out in a boxed set this Fall,

Oh, yeah. One other question.

What about the sound? Will they make me happy (and my neighbors mad)
and give me Babylon 5 in Dolby Digital 5.1?

It is all about me, of course.

Paul McElligott

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"Joseph DeMartino" <jdem...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:<000401c20f76$e2c564e0$a8045141@kosh>...

> I am only working part time at the moment (somebody
> forgot to tell people hereabouts that the recession is over) and have
> way too much time on my hands.

Sorry to hear. I was out of work for the first quarter of last year,
so I know a little of what you speak.

Unfortunately "the recession is over" only means that we've stopped
going backwards. It doesn't NECESSARILY imply forward motion yet.

The job market is usually the slowest to recover. These companies
that are so quick to cut people loose are usually pretty gun shy about
hiring again, but that will change with time.

I just wish that these companies would realize that hiring and
retraining are usually a hell of lot more expensive than biting the
bullet and standing by their employees through rough times.

Best of luck.

Tlsmith1963

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Jun 10, 2002, 3:09:11 PM6/10/02
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I was waiting to see what Mac Breck would say about the DVD news. Pretty cool,
huh Mac? :)

Tammy

PS--I would *love* to see the bloopers included with the B5 DVDs!

BoredGuy

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"Mac Breck" <macb...@access995.com> wrote in message
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> "Sue" <vam...@attglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:3d04dac5...@news1.attglobal.net...
> > On 10 Jun 2002 04:05:28 GMT, jms...@aol.com (Jms at B5) proclaimed:
> >
> > >>Have they decided on aspect ratio?
> > >>
> > >
> > >Widescreen.
> >
> > My question: True widescreen? The DVD of "The Gathering" and "In the
> > Beginning" that we have is cropped at the top and bottom. I.e. -
> > there are bits that are missing. I don't want the episodes with
> > things missing. But if it is *true* widescreen, I'm there!
>
>
> I'm there, regardless, if only for the extras.
>
I'm in the queue for them as soon as Region 2 get released...my tapes are
starting to get a bit warn down!!

BoredGuy

Jms at B5

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Jun 10, 2002, 3:26:59 PM6/10/02
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>ny chance of comentaries by any of the other writers? Or some of the
>cast or crew?

They're currently investigating all possibililties.

Jms at B5

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Jun 10, 2002, 3:30:03 PM6/10/02
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> (it's a matter of how much time and energy I can give to it
>given
>> that there's no fees involved
>
>They're not paying you, ...anything? ???

No. It's WB's policy that they don't pay to have people do commentaries. The
problem here is that there's so *much* that they want...an on-camera interview,
two to four full commentaries, and further analyses on the races, technologies,
politics, all that stuff...it's a huge amount of work. But their response was
that if it wasn't done for free, across the board, they'd just deliver a
foreshortened version, little to no extras, no publicity, little to nothing
without my commentary, which they feel is essential to the set. Rather than
have a lesser version go out to the fans, I figured I'd just bite the bullet
and do it.

Jms at B5

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Jun 10, 2002, 3:30:45 PM6/10/02
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>
>What about the sound? Will they make me happy (and my neighbors mad)
>and give me Babylon 5 in Dolby Digital 5.1?

The sound is being remastered to 5.1.

Jms at B5

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>My question: True widescreen? The DVD of "The Gathering" and "In the
>Beginning" that we have is cropped at the top and bottom. I.e. -
>there are bits that are missing. I don't want the episodes with
>things missing. But if it is *true* widescreen, I'm there!

The only things that I'm aware of that were cropped in those were the CGI and
composite scenes, since we can't go back and re-render all that stuff.

Mac Breck

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"Jms at B5" <jms...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >My question: True widescreen? The DVD of "The Gathering" and "In the
> >Beginning" that we have is cropped at the top and bottom. I.e. -
> >there are bits that are missing. I don't want the episodes with
> >things missing. But if it is *true* widescreen, I'm there!
>
> The only things that I'm aware of that were cropped in those were the CGI
and
> composite scenes, since we can't go back and re-render all that stuff.

"Can't" because the materials, that would be needed to do a re-render
(whatever those are, I don't know), are gone (misplaced, thrown out, or
destroyed), ..*or*.. because there is no time and/or no money to do the
re-render?

Mac Breck
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