ATTN JMS: B5 Shot Glass?
dhe...@polaris.attmail.com
On 6 Sep 1997 23:31:40 -0400, in rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated,
Gharlane of Eddore wrote...
> No, I'm not confused; the confused person here is the one who claims to
> find alcohol abuse an ugly thing, and appears to have childhood memories
> of the horrific effect of intrafamilial alcoholism, whether in his own
> or someone else's...... and yet takes a willing part in the glorification
> of a product aimed at people who might have a chance to learn better, in
> time, if they weren't societally bombarded with pro-booze propaganda.
>
<etc>
whoa, here. hang on. While I agree wholeheartedly that kids should
*not* be the object of ad campaigns that glorify alcohol, etc., I think
this is going just a wee bit far.
Maybe we should take a vote: how many folks out there who actively
*abuse* alcohol even *bother* with shot glasses? How many folks who
started drinking as teens (or younger) actually *used* shot glasses for
anything distantly related to alcohol? (A good way to get caught, one
might think.) (I, personally, as a kid, used to drink my juice out of a
shot glass--I liked *little* things...)
OTOH, how many folks actively collect thematically decorated shot glasses
(or thimbles or Christmas tree ornaments or coffee mugs or...)
IMnsHO, going off the deep end about JMS actively encouraging drinking in
minors by licensing a decorated shot glass (a well-known collector's
item) is, well, shall we say going a bit to the extreme?
Now those thematic Christmas tree ornaments are a *real* danger, and one
we should be concentrating on, I believe. I mean think of all the wars,
the bigotry, the abortion clinic bombs, etc. that have been perpetrated
by proponents of a religion that celebrates one of their holy days by
killing trees and then decorating them and placing gifts at their base?
--
Dianne <*>
whose only shot glass was one previously owned by a deceased relative, I
wonder what that means?
"Give little, give seldom, and above all, give grudgingly."
- Ruth Smythers, 1894
--
Dianne <*>
Tariq Moustapha
dhe...@polaris.attmail.com wrote:
> Now those thematic Christmas tree ornaments are a *real* danger, and one
> we should be concentrating on, I believe. I mean think of all the wars,
> the bigotry, the abortion clinic bombs, etc. that have been perpetrated
> by proponents of a religion that celebrates one of their holy days by
> killing trees and then decorating them and placing gifts at their base?
>
> --
> Dianne <*>
> whose only shot glass was one previously owned by a deceased relative, I
> wonder what that means?
>
> "Give little, give seldom, and above all, give grudgingly."
> - Ruth Smythers, 1894
> --
> Dianne <*>
Please please please be kidding.
Tariq
James Cassell
On 10 Sep 1997 20:56:02 -0400, Tariq Moustapha <ta...@virginia.edu>
wrote:
Why should Dianne be kidding about who previously owned her shot
glass?
Jim
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James Cassell <cas...@irss.unc.edu>
norak
jms...@aol.com (Jms at B5) writes:
>
> Creation came up with the shot glass, and though I'm not totally sanguine
> about it, due to the obvious connection to drinking, but I think most will
> be using it for collectibility than anything else.
Zathra know there has been much alarm at this, but a B5 shot glass is
very important. Yes, must have. For the Sisters of Zathras must
observe the Offices, one of which is the Hour of the Wolf. Zathra
must take the sacramental vodka, preferably from a B5
shot glass. Once again JMS honors our Sisterhood.
BTW, the home page for the Order of the Sisters of Zathras is at
http://mailer.fsu.edu/~nloyd/osz/
Obviously Zathra become very silly while waiting for new episodes.
[the site most definitely has spoilers through "Conflicts of
Interest", though anything through IiRT is fair game]
In thanksgiving for return of rastb5m,
--Sister Zathra norak, O.S.Z.
P.S.: The "vodka" used in OSZ ceremonies is actually non-alcoholic
potato juice.
P.P.S: Okay, it should be wheat juice, but it's harder fitting those
little grains over the old-fashioned, glass juicer which is one of our
holiest relics.
dhe...@polaris.attmail.com
On 10 Sep 1997 20:56:02 -0400, in rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated,
Tariq Moustapha wrote...
> dhe...@polaris.attmail.com wrote:
>
> > Now those thematic Christmas tree ornaments are a *real* danger, and one
> > we should be concentrating on, I believe. I mean think of all the wars,
> > the bigotry, the abortion clinic bombs, etc. that have been perpetrated
> > by proponents of a religion that celebrates one of their holy days by
> > killing trees and then decorating them and placing gifts at their base?
> >
> > --
> > Dianne <*>
> > whose only shot glass was one previously owned by a deceased relative, I
> > wonder what that means?
> >
> Please please please be kidding.
>
> Tariq
>
Of course I was kidding! It was just the silliest thing I could think of
at the moment that tied in with the rest of the post...
--
Dianne <*>
Batz
In <Pine.SOL.3.93.970911224603.5236B-100000@mailer>
norak <nl...@mailer.fsu.edu> wrote:
<snip>
>Zathra know there has been much alarm at this, but a B5 shot glass is
>very important. Yes, must have. For the Sisters of Zathras must
>observe the Offices, one of which is the Hour of the Wolf. Zathra
>must take the sacramental vodka, preferably from a B5
>shot glass. Once again JMS honors our Sisterhood.
>
I hope the Sisters don't observe the sacrament involving "a shot of
whiskey and a gun with 2 bullets".
B&R
Jms at B5
> No, I'm not confused; the confused person here is the one who claims to
>> find alcohol abuse an ugly thing, and appears to have childhood memories
>> of the horrific effect of intrafamilial alcoholism, whether in his own
>> or someone else's...... and yet takes a willing part in the glorification
Creation secured a license for glassware; I approved the license artwork,
not thinking of anything other than regular glassware (mugs, whatever). I
was as astonished to see it used on shot glasses as anyone else...and
subsequently made a recent call to Warner Bros. asking that the license for
this particular item not be renewed after they are finished selling the one
already made. It's my fault, I should've anticipated a shot glass, it's
just not something that I think of, but there's no reason to penalize
Creation by making them warehouse stuff they can't sell. So they'll sell
what's there on hand, and that will be the end of it.
It's already a dead issue.
jms
D. Farrer
I haven't been reading this whole thread, but I just had to make a
comment. My grandmother collected toothpick holders and many times the
places she visited didn't have toothpick holders as souvenirs so she would
buy a shot glass instead. They are very nice toothpick holders.
Jay Denebeim
According to Jms at B5 <jms...@aol.com>:
>Creation secured a license for glassware; I approved the license artwork,
>not thinking of anything other than regular glassware (mugs, whatever). I
>was as astonished to see it used on shot glasses as anyone else...and
>subsequently made a recent call to Warner Bros. asking that the license for
>this particular item not be renewed after they are finished selling the one
>already made.
Joe,
Honestly, I wish you hadn't done that. Shot glasses are great
collector's items. They're small, durable, and look a heck of alot
better than micro machines (sad to say). I really don't think you're
in danger of getting anyone to start drinking over a shot glass.
(Besides, if your kid wants alcohol, give them a 'cement mixer' 1/2
baile's 1/2 roses lime juce. Put it in your mouth, shake your head.
The bailey's congeles into something quite disgusting.)
Jay
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Richard Bossard
Jms at B5 <jms...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19970911011...@ladder02.news.aol.com>...
> > No, I'm not confused; the confused person here is the one who claims to
> >> find alcohol abuse an ugly thing, and appears to have childhood
memories
> >> of the horrific effect of intrafamilial alcoholism, whether in his own
> >> or someone else's...... and yet takes a willing part in the
glorification
> >> of a product....
Errmmm, I guess you're trying to play the "sensitivity" card? Give me a
break.
>
> Creation secured a license for glassware; I approved the license artwork,
> not thinking of anything other than regular glassware (mugs, whatever).
I
> was as astonished to see it used on shot glasses as anyone else...and
> subsequently made a recent call to Warner Bros. asking that the license
for
> this particular item not be renewed after they are finished selling the
one
> already made. It's my fault, I should've anticipated a shot glass, it's
> just not something that I think of, but there's no reason to penalize
> Creation by making them warehouse stuff they can't sell. So they'll
sell
> what's there on hand, and that will be the end of it.
I'm truly sorry that jms is taking this stand. I hate "political
correctness".
Rick
David Shewchuk
>
> I'm truly sorry that jms is taking this stand. I hate "political
> correctness".
>
> Rick
Well, if people can criticize JMS on this then others can support him.
I don't think he has to be stigmitized with the label "Politically
Correct" for acting in a way he believes is right.
It is not as though he is easily pressured on other matters.
David S
P.S. hey Joe, can we see L. Takeshima once during season 5??
John Staats
In article <01bccdab$a3e31040$e327...@fsd2.slip.lm.com>, "Richard Bossard"
<rbos...@nauticom.net> wrote:
>Jms at B5 <jms...@aol.com> wrote in article
><19970911011...@ladder02.news.aol.com>...
>> > No, I'm not confused; the confused person here is the one who claims to
>> >> find alcohol abuse an ugly thing, and appears to have childhood
>memories
>> >> of the horrific effect of intrafamilial alcoholism, whether in his own
>> >> or someone else's...... and yet takes a willing part in the
>glorification
>> >> of a product....
>
>Errmmm, I guess you're trying to play the "sensitivity" card? Give me a
>break.
Rick, you have to _guess_ because it is evident you can't
recognize a valid question regarding obvious
contradictions in the matter of alcohol abuse and product
approval. And no, I won't give a break because your
"guess" is wrong. Unless you _don't_ believe that alcohol
abuse can be a painful situation (to you or to anyone else)
or doubt the poster's sincerity, I am inclined to believe
you should invest a thought or two about what reason you
have to deride someone for "playing the sensitivity card."
If you _do_ doubt their sincerity, it would do well for your
post to let everyone else in on your reason.
>> Creation secured a license for glassware; I approved the license artwork,
>> not thinking of anything other than regular glassware (mugs, whatever).
>> I was as astonished to see it used on shot glasses as anyone else...and
>> subsequently made a recent call to Warner Bros. asking that the license
>> for this particular item not be renewed after they are finished selling the
>> one already made. It's my fault, I should've anticipated a shot glass, it's
>> just not something that I think of, but there's no reason to penalize
>> Creation by making them warehouse stuff they can't sell. So they'll
>> sell what's there on hand, and that will be the end of it.
>
>I'm truly sorry that jms is taking this stand. I hate "political
>correctness".
>
>Rick
So let me get this straight: Either JMS _is_ or _is not_
genuine in his decision not to endorse a product that may be
affiliated with painful childhood memories he claims to
have had -- and you dismiss him simply as being part of the
phony ranks of politically correct. Unless you know something
the rest of us don't, it looks to me that:
a) you assume jms hasn't *really* been scarred by alcohol abuse
and
b) you are sorry that jms is merely feigning political correctness.
Am I right? Please correct me if I am wrong or if I am
only just playing some "sensitivity card."
Have a sunny day,
John Staats
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JennieD-O'C
Richard Bossard <rbos...@nauticom.net> wrote:
>I'm truly sorry that jms is taking this stand. I hate "political
>correctness".
Huh? Since when is it "politically correct" not to drink? Do you really
know what that term means?
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Dianne Heins
On 30 Sep 1997 02:54:17 -0400, in rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated, Jay
Denebeim wrote...
> >not thinking of anything other than regular glassware (mugs, whatever). I
> >was as astonished to see it used on shot glasses as anyone else...and
> >subsequently made a recent call to Warner Bros. asking that the license for
> >this particular item not be renewed after they are finished selling the one
> >already made.
>
>
> Honestly, I wish you hadn't done that. Shot glasses are great
> collector's items. They're small, durable, and look a heck of alot
> better than micro machines (sad to say). I really don't think you're
> in danger of getting anyone to start drinking over a shot glass.
I agree with this (and said much the same thing when this thread started)
and with Rick's comment:
"I'm truly sorry that jms is taking this stand. I hate "political
correctness"."
Eliminating the glass wear often used to drink alcohol doesn't eliminate
the problem, doesn't really address the problem, and, IMnvHO, doesn't
even make a statement. Alcohol is not bad, alcohol abuse is bad. And
quite frankly, *any* decorated glass is a Special Occasion glass to a
child. If his/her parents drink alcohol for special occasions, the kid's
gonna pretend to drink alcohol from special glasses--even if it's only
orange juice in a Bambi milk sipper cup. OTOH, if the kid's parents
celebrate with either some other liquid or don't have a "special liquid"
at all, the kid is equally likely make a B5 shot glass his special milk
cup for school mornings.
There are already enough illustrations on B5 to make a statement. For
example, Garibaldi's on-going struggle and the fact that his past *still*
slaps him in the face, the evidence that all the vodka Ivanova could
drink still didn't keep the wolf away, Vir after Cartagia and many more
instances when drink has at least not helped and has hurt. Then there
are more responsible uses like that drink [oops, I just realized that
would be a spoiler, sorry, you know the one I mean], Garibaldi's "water,"
the times you see someone just have one... There are far fewer of
these, iirc--which also makes a statement.
> (Besides, if your kid wants alcohol, give them a 'cement mixer' 1/2
> bailey's 1/2 roses lime juce. Put it in your mouth, shake your head.
> The bailey's congeles into something quite disgusting.)
>
I believe the term is "curdled."
--
Dianne <*>
Gary Farber
In <60rmqq$kc$1...@bashir.intranet.org> JennieD-O'C <jenn...@intranet.org> wrote:
: Richard Bossard <rbos...@nauticom.net> wrote:
: >I'm truly sorry that jms is taking this stand. I hate "political
: >correctness".
: Huh? Since when is it "politically correct" not to drink? Do you really
: know what that term means?
Sure: "something I disagree with, and want to tar with a meaningless
phrase." HTH.
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Richard Bossard
John Staats <sta...@panix.com> wrote in article
<staats-ya02408000...@news.panix.com>...
> So let me get this straight: Either JMS _is_ or _is not_
> genuine in his decision not to endorse a product that may be
> affiliated with painful childhood memories he claims to
> have had -- and you dismiss him simply as being part of the
> phony ranks of politically correct.
Oops. I misread the post. I thought JMS was *responding* to somebody else's
complaint rather then to an event in his past. Then this is totally
different. Since its his show and his rights, he has every right to decide
what his images are printed on. Its one thing to decide with you want to do
with *your* stuff and another to react to every "your insensitive"
complaint. For instance, here in Pittsburgh, we about to split into a new
area code - 724. A few years ago we had a plane crash here - USAir flight
427. Guess what? There's groups around here seriously complaining that the
new area code is "insensitive" and demanding a different number be
selected. Pretty ridiculous but its being pushed in the name of
"sensitivity". I've come to react very negatively whenever anybody starts
demanding "sensitivity". But, again, this was a totally different thing.
Sincere apologies to JMS for my misunderstanding. Its his stuff and he's
well within his rights to market it any way he pleases without criticism
from others.
Rick
Dianne Heins
On 30 Sep 1997 18:18:08 -0400, in rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated,
JennieD-O'C wrote...
> Richard Bossard <rbos...@nauticom.net> wrote:
>
> >I'm truly sorry that jms is taking this stand. I hate "political
> >correctness".
>
> Huh? Since when is it "politically correct" not to drink? Do you really
> know what that term means?
>
Actually, it is "politically correct" not to drink, especially when one
is in the public eye and that eye includes children.
However, PC was not applied to Joe's non-drinking nor to his desire to
make a statement about alcoholism and children drinking, but to his
withdrawing the B5 shotglass on the grounds that it (a glass) *might
encourage* drinking. Since that move, to some of us, seems a bit extreme
and is in alignment with current trends, it is not incorrectly viewed, by
those same "us" as a PC-type of thing to do.
Oh, and IMO, the poster understood the term.
--
Dianne <*>
JD Paul
Gary Farber (gfa...@panix.com) wrote:
: : Huh? Since when is it "politically correct" not to drink? Do you really
: : know what that term means?
: Sure: "something I disagree with, and want to tar with a meaningless
: phrase." HTH.
Best definition of "pc" I've seen....
What the heck does HTH stand for? I've been seeing it around
Usenet for months now and I can't for the life of me figure out what
the acronym expands out to.
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Richard Bossard
Dianne Heins <dhe...@dcn.att.com> wrote in article
<MPG.e9af922e1...@mailhost.att.com>...
> On 30 Sep 1997 02:54:17 -0400, in rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated, Jay
> Denebeim wrote...
> > According to Jms at B5 <jms...@aol.com>:
> >
> > >Creation secured a license for glassware; I approved the license
artwork,
> > >not thinking of anything other than regular glassware (mugs,
whatever). I
> > >was as astonished to see it used on shot glasses as anyone else...and
> > >subsequently made a recent call to Warner Bros. asking that the
license for
> > >this particular item not be renewed after they are finished selling
the one
> > >already made.
> >
> > Joe,
> >
> > Honestly, I wish you hadn't done that. Shot glasses are great
> > collector's items. They're small, durable, and look a heck of alot
> > better than micro machines (sad to say). I really don't think you're
> > in danger of getting anyone to start drinking over a shot glass.
>
> I agree with this (and said much the same thing when this thread started)
> and with Rick's comment:
>
> "I'm truly sorry that jms is taking this stand. I hate "political
> correctness"."
Though at the time I thought JMS was reacting to the demands of others.
Though I still think he's making a mistake, its his right 'cause its his
stuff.
>
> Eliminating the glass wear often used to drink alcohol doesn't eliminate
> the problem, doesn't really address the problem, and, IMnvHO, doesn't
> even make a statement. Alcohol is not bad, alcohol abuse is bad.
This is true too. I take back my above comment and replace it with "I think
JMS is overreacting". As I interpret is comment above, he wouldn't mind B5
on beer mugs. So why object to it on shot glasses?
Before they go away forever, does anybody know where I could buy a set?
Rick
Captain Infinity
In article <60v30a$ps4$1...@news.fas.harvard.edu>
jdp...@jdpaul.student.harvard.edu (JD Paul) wrote :
>Gary Farber (gfa...@panix.com) wrote:
>
>: : Huh? Since when is it "politically correct" not to drink? Do you really
>: : know what that term means?
>
>: Sure: "something I disagree with, and want to tar with a meaningless
>: phrase." HTH.
>
> Best definition of "pc" I've seen....
>
> What the heck does HTH stand for? I've been seeing it around
>Usenet for months now and I can't for the life of me figure out what
>the acronym expands out to.
It stands for "Have The Hiccups."
It's a bizarre extension of the idea of LOL (Laughing Out Loud) and is
supposed to convey the idea that what has been said is so funny it has
caused the person to laugh so much they now have the hiccups.
I think it's a dumb expression, and never use it. IYKWIM. AIKYD.
I hope that helps.
HAND.
**
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JD Paul
Morpheus (morp...@super.zippo.com) wrote:
: On 1 Oct 1997 23:05:31 -0400, jdp...@jdpaul.student.harvard.edu (JD
: Paul) wrote:
: > What the heck does HTH stand for?
: HTH = Hope This Helps, AFAIK, BICBW.
: HTH.
It does. Thanks.
Reminds me (in an inverted sense) of the
(not-particularly-young) graphic designer in my office who was so
inordinately proud of his new _Wired Book of Style_. No clue as to
the actual standing of _Wired_ amongst those who invent new forms of
language.
I think B5 needs a few more invented bits of language....
Gary Farber
In <60v30a$ps4$1...@news.fas.harvard.edu> JD Paul
: : : Huh? Since when is it "politically correct" not to drink? Do you really
: : : know what that term means?
: : Sure: "something I disagree with, and want to tar with a meaningless
: : phrase." HTH.
: Best definition of "pc" I've seen....
: What the heck does HTH stand for? I've been seeing it around
: Usenet for months now and I can't for the life of me figure out what
: the acronym expands out to.
Hope This Helps.
Tristan Heydt
sorry to post so much of this...
Richard Bossard wrote:
>
> Dianne Heins <dhe...@dcn.att.com> wrote in article
> <MPG.e9c56e3cd...@mailhost.att.com>...
> > On 30 Sep 1997 18:18:08 -0400, in rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated,
> > JennieD-O'C wrote...
> > > Richard Bossard <rbos...@nauticom.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > >I'm truly sorry that jms is taking this stand. I hate "political
> > > >correctness".
> > >
> > > Huh? Since when is it "politically correct" not to drink? Do you
> > > really know what that term means?
> >
> > Actually, it is "politically correct" not to drink, especially when
> > one is in the public eye and that eye includes children.
> >
> > However, PC was not applied to Joe's non-drinking nor to his desire
> > to make a statement about alcoholism and children drinking, but to
> > his withdrawing the B5 shotglass on the grounds that it (a glass) *
> > might encourage* drinking. Since that move, to some of us, seems a
> > bit extreme and is in alignment with current trends, it is not
> > incorrectly viewed, by those same "us" as a PC-type of thing to do.
> >
> > Oh, and IMO, the poster understood the term.
>
> Its good to see that at least one other person understands the
> concept.
>
> Rick
Ok, IMAO, the aspect of "polictial correctness" so despised is _not_ the
actual content of the beliefs in question (whatever the politically
correct thought of the day or decade is), but that the person who
believes wants to shut up all dissenters: an understandable desire, but
relatively contrary to our purported adherence to free speech.
Again, IMAO, JMS is _not_ displaying this characteristic. All he's
doing is (as another poster pointed out-- sorry I cant remember yer
name!!) refusing to have _his_ artistic creation used to (in his view)
promote a practice which he finds abhorent. I disagree with him, and I
hope to find one of the shot glasses before they disappear, but I cannot
fault his reasoning and I applaud his stand on this issue.
<Tristan steps off his soapbox.>
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Richard Bossard
woodelf
In article <01bccdab$a3e31040$e327...@fsd2.slip.lm.com>, "Richard
Bossard" <rbos...@nauticom.net> wrote:
> I'm truly sorry that jms is taking this stand. I hate "political
> correctness".
what's "politically correct" about "i don't want my creative efforts
supporting something i abhor"?
woodelf <*>
nbar...@students.wisc.edu
woo...@cs.wisc.edu
http://www.upl.cs.wisc.edu/~woodelf
sgwm
On 30 Sep 1997 02:54:17 -0400, in rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated
>According to Jms at B5 <jms...@aol.com>:
>
>>Creation secured a license for glassware; I approved the license =
artwork,
>>not thinking of anything other than regular glassware (mugs, whatever).=
I
>>was as astonished to see it used on shot glasses as anyone else...and
>>subsequently made a recent call to Warner Bros. asking that the license=
for
>>this particular item not be renewed after they are finished selling the=
one
>>already made.
>
>Joe,
>
> Honestly, I wish you hadn't done that. Shot glasses are great
>collector's items. They're small, durable, and look a heck of alot
>better than micro machines (sad to say). I really don't think you're
>in danger of getting anyone to start drinking over a shot glass.
You're missing the point though. On a point of principle, after
everything JMS has said on here, a shot glass is one of the last
pieces of merchandise I would have expected to see him sanction.
Personally I agree with binning them.
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your friends because they can only betray you. Fear only the=20
indifferent, who permit the killers and betrayers to walk
safely on the Earth.
Edward Yashinsky
James Bell
Richard Bossard <rbos...@nauticom.net> wrote in article
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> Dianne Heins <dhe...@dcn.att.com> wrote in article
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> > On 30 Sep 1997 18:18:08 -0400, in rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated,
> > JennieD-O'C wrote...
> > > Richard Bossard <rbos...@nauticom.net> wrote:
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> > > >I'm truly sorry that jms is taking this stand. I hate "political
> > > >correctness".
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> > > Huh? Since when is it "politically correct" not to drink? Do you
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> > > know what that term means?
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> > Actually, it is "politically correct" not to drink, especially when one
> > is in the public eye and that eye includes children.
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> > However, PC was not applied to Joe's non-drinking nor to his desire to
> > make a statement about alcoholism and children drinking, but to his
> > withdrawing the B5 shotglass on the grounds that it (a glass) *might
> > encourage* drinking. Since that move, to some of us, seems a bit
extreme
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> > and is in alignment with current trends, it is not incorrectly viewed,
by
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> > those same "us" as a PC-type of thing to do.
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> > Oh, and IMO, the poster understood the term.
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> Its good to see that at least one other person understands the concept.
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> Rick
I'm with you, too, Rick. I've just been so completely dumfounded at the
sheer stupidity of Political Correctness that I have been unable to voice a
coherent opinion. It still boggles me that someone so obviously
intelligent such as JMS could say what he's said and do what he's done
regarding both characters smoking on the show and the shot glass. The
guy's a walking oxymoron.
Here's a scenario: A person doesn't drink but loves Babylon 5, sees and
buys the B5 shot glass, and as a result becomes a drinker.
Or another: A person drinks socially and loves B5, sees and buys the B5
shot glass, and as a result becomes a drunk.
Or a-double-decker-nother: A person never drank or smoked but loves B5,
sees a character smoking on the show, sees and buys the B5 shot glass, and
as a result becomes a chain smoking alcoholic.
Could these really happen? Think about it people. It's ludicrous.
Jim
pica
In article <3433b62f...@nntp.netcruiser>, Innf...@ix.netcom.com
(Captain Infinity) wrote:
>In article <60v30a$ps4$1...@news.fas.harvard.edu>
>jdp...@jdpaul.student.harvard.edu (JD Paul) wrote :
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>>Gary Farber (gfa...@panix.com) wrote:
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>>: : Huh? Since when is it "politically correct" not to drink? Do you really
>>: : know what that term means?
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>>: Sure: "something I disagree with, and want to tar with a meaningless
>>: phrase." HTH.
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>> Best definition of "pc" I've seen....
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>> What the heck does HTH stand for? I've been seeing it around
>>Usenet for months now and I can't for the life of me figure out what
>>the acronym expands out to.
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>It stands for "Have The Hiccups."
I thought it meant "Halfway to Hysteria" what with trying to figure out
all these acronyms. BWAITS?