Name for B5 Fans?
Alan Caldera
Just an idle thought - do B5 fans have any kind of nifty nickname (like
Trekker/Trekkie)? "B5 Fans" is kinda boring. "Babylonoholic" or
"Babylonophile" is a bit of a mouthful. Comments? Is there a
definitive answer to this? (Pardon if this has been debated ad
infinitum before - I didn't start reading this newsgroup until several
months after it started up...)
- Ellen Caldera
David DeRubeis
Aimee Yermish wrote:
>
> In article <322622...@airmail.net>,
> Alan Caldera <acal...@airmail.net> wrote:
> >Just an idle thought - do B5 fans have any kind of nifty nickname (like
> >Trekker/Trekkie)? "B5 Fans" is kinda boring. "Babylonoholic" or
> >"Babylonophile" is a bit of a mouthful.
>
>
Someone brings this up every once in a while, and nothing ever sticks.
I think most of us feel neither the need or the desire to have a cute
label affixed to us.
David -- a SF fan
Aimee Yermish
In article <322622...@airmail.net>,
Alan Caldera <acal...@airmail.net> wrote:
>Just an idle thought - do B5 fans have any kind of nifty nickname (like
>Trekker/Trekkie)? "B5 Fans" is kinda boring. "Babylonoholic" or
>"Babylonophile" is a bit of a mouthful.
Babylonians?
--Aimee
Morgan
In article <322622...@airmail.net>
acal...@airmail.net "Alan Caldera" writes:
> Just an idle thought - do B5 fans have any kind of nifty nickname (like
> Trekker/Trekkie)? "B5 Fans" is kinda boring. "Babylonoholic" or
> "Babylonophile" is a bit of a mouthful. Comments? Is there a
> definitive answer to this? (Pardon if this has been debated ad
> infinitum before - I didn't start reading this newsgroup until several
> months after it started up...)
>
> - Ellen Caldera
I think that you'll find we're called The Audience.
:-)
--
Morgan
"Nunc demum intellego," dixit Winnie ille Pu. "Stultus et
delusus fui," dixit "et ursus sine ullo cerebro sum."
Mr. William G. Walters
Alan Caldera wrote on Thu, 29 Aug 1996 18:08:44 -0500:
>
> Just an idle thought - do B5 fans have any kind of nifty nickname
(like
> Trekker/Trekkie)? "B5 Fans" is kinda boring. "Babylonoholic" or
> "Babylonophile" is a bit of a mouthful. Comments? Is there a
> definitive answer to this? (Pardon if this has been debated ad
> infinitum before - I didn't start reading this newsgroup until
several
> months after it started up...)
Somone on AOL suggested "Babylonians."
I sorta like it, but I can't come up with anything else.
--W.G.
--
William G. Walters
JQV...@prodigy.com
Looking for fresh spoo...
Helene Cyr
> > Trekker/Trekkie)? "B5 Fans" is kinda boring. "Babylonoholic" or
> > "Babylonophile" is a bit of a mouthful. Comments? Is there a
> > definitive answer to this? (Pardon if this has been debated ad
> > infinitum before - I didn't start reading this newsgroup until several
> > months after it started up...)
> >
Logan
Mary Jean Holmes
David DeRubeis <deru...@ligand.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu> wrote:
>Aimee Yermish wrote:
>>
>> In article <322622...@airmail.net>,
>> Alan Caldera <acal...@airmail.net> wrote:
>> >Just an idle thought - do B5 fans have any kind of nifty nickname (like
>> >Trekker/Trekkie)? "B5 Fans" is kinda boring. "Babylonoholic" or
>> >"Babylonophile" is a bit of a mouthful.
>>
>> Babylonians?
>>
>
>Someone brings this up every once in a while, and nothing ever sticks.
>I think most of us feel neither the need or the desire to have a cute
>label affixed to us.
>
I tend to agree. As soon as a fan group starts applying a name
to itself, people outside the group pick it up and eventually
start using it as an perjorative rather than a mere identifier.
I watched Trek, but I was never a Trekkie or a Trekker, yet every
time I mentioned the fact that I liked the show, certain people
automatically slapped on the label and began to apply
inapplicable attributes to me because I was, to them, a
get-a-life "Trekkie."
I'd rather not see this happen with B5. But if I were to stick a
label on myself about it, I would choose Babyloniac, if only
because it is tongue-in-cheek, and might give some people the
message that I do not take this too seriously, I do not live for
it, and I have a life outside B5, thank you.
MJ
jnf
How about Babblers?
[]
In article <3228C0...@sympatico.ca>, Helene Cyr
<helen...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> Morgan wrote:
> >
> > In article <322622...@airmail.net>
> > acal...@airmail.net "Alan Caldera" writes:
> >
> > > Just an idle thought - do B5 fans have any kind of nifty nickname (like
> > > Trekker/Trekkie)? "B5 Fans" is kinda boring. "Babylonoholic" or
> > > "Babylonophile" is a bit of a mouthful. Comments? Is there a
> > > definitive answer to this? (Pardon if this has been debated ad
> > > infinitum before - I didn't start reading this newsgroup until several
> > > months after it started up...)
> > >
> > > - Ellen CalderaLurker's the one i like
>
> Logan
How about "Koshers"?
Sorry, couldn't resist
Jose' Antonio Ruiz
da...@umich.edu
In Cyberspace no one can hear you scream.
LLarson10
Perhaps the best name is none at all. Why pigeonhole ourselves the way
Star Trek fans have been since that shows inception? Babblers,
Babylonians, etc. ---
really now --- does anyone want to be known by such names? Babylon 5 is a
name that just doesn't lend itself to cute little nicknames. In fact, a
nickname is all too cute!! Something that Joe eschews!!
Personally, Trekkie or Trekker grated on me enough. I'm reminded of the
scene in "Comes the Inquisitor" with Sebastion's initial interrogation of
Delenn where he asks her who she is. He zaps her for calling herself by
her own name or her ambassadorial title. Someone will have to remind me of
his words but "..stamped, delineated,.." are two that come to mind. Let's
dare to be different.
Winnie The Pooh
>>Aimee Yermish wrote:
>> In article <322622...@airmail.net>,
>> Alan Caldera <acal...@airmail.net> wrote:
>> >Trekker/Trekkie)? "B5 Fans" is kinda boring. "Babylonoholic" or
>> >"Babylonophile" is a bit of a mouthful.
>David Derubeis wrote:
>Someone brings this up every once in a while, and nothing ever sticks.
>I think most of us feel neither the need or the desire to have a cute
>label affixed to us.
I thought we were called Bablings or is that Babblings?
- Gail Montieth -
pooh...@pathcom.com
Ruth Ballam
In article <50en5d$6...@balsam.unca.edu>, jwhe...@unca.edu (James Waldron
Hertsch) wrote:
> Aimee Yermish (ayer...@netcom.com) wrote:
> : In article <322622...@airmail.net>,
> : Alan Caldera <acal...@airmail.net> wrote:
> : >Just an idle thought - do B5 fans have any kind of nifty nickname (like
> : >Trekker/Trekkie)? "B5 Fans" is kinda boring. "Babylonoholic" or
> : >"Babylonophile" is a bit of a mouthful.
> :
> : Babylonians?
> :
> : --Aimee
> :
> Lurkers. Definitely Lurkers.
>
>
> James
> (going back to lurking, incidentally)
But I don't *want* a "nifty" name.
<Life of Brian mode>
We're all individuals !
</Life of Brian mode>
The minute you get a collective name you can be pigeonholed, and if it's a
silly one then you're doomed, look what it's done for Trekkies for
goodness sake.
I canÄ…t be the only one who has innocently said they like SF only to be
confronted with Å‚oh, so youÄ…re a Trekkie ?Ë›. ItÄ…s not just an assumption
that all SF is Trek, but also that all Trekkies run around wearing Spock
ears !
The press love to make fun of SF fans anyway and having a geeky name they
can tag anyone who likes Babylon 5 with will only make it easier for them.
I love Babylon 5, but I don't wear a B5 t-shirt and I don't want a tribal
identity.
Just my tuppence worth :-)
--
Ruth
"Mostly Harmless"
James Michael Sambrook
In article <50dcgn$p...@news.pathcom.com>,
Winnie The Pooh <pooh...@pathcom.com> wrote:
>>>Aimee Yermish wrote:
>
>>> In article <322622...@airmail.net>,
>>> Alan Caldera <acal...@airmail.net> wrote:
>>> >Just an idle thought - do B5 fans have any kind of nifty nickname (like
>>> >Trekker/Trekkie)? "B5 Fans" is kinda boring. "Babylonoholic" or
>>> >"Babylonophile" is a bit of a mouthful.
>
>>> Babylonians?
>
>
>>Someone brings this up every once in a while, and nothing ever sticks.
>>I think most of us feel neither the need or the desire to have a cute
>>label affixed to us.
>
>I thought we were called Bablings or is that Babblings?
No...that's what all of us are doing while waiting for the Final Five to
air.
James, who will gladly take the Black Jellybeans that Wendymatica doesn't
like.
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Brian K. Bragg
Alan Caldera <acal...@airmail.net> wrote of the following signs and
protents:
>Just an idle thought - do B5 fans have any kind of nifty nickname (like
>Trekker/Trekkie)? "B5 Fans" is kinda boring. "Babylonoholic" or
>"Babylonophile" is a bit of a mouthful. Comments? Is there a
>definitive answer to this? (Pardon if this has been debated ad
>infinitum before - I didn't start reading this newsgroup until several
>months after it started up...)
>- Ellen Caldera
How about
"People"
or
"Homo Sapian's"
or better still
<big drum roll>
"<Insert your name here>"
I really don't like cute little nick names. I want to hurt someone
every time I hear the word "trekkie" I have a life. I am an
individual, and I say keep your labels to yourself. I don't mind
hands, but keep your labels to yourself.
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Janis Maria C. C. Cortese
In article <GuELy0O5...@teleport.com> lar...@teleport.com (Larry Caldwell) writes:
>In article <322622...@airmail.net>,
>Alan Caldera <acal...@airmail.net> wrote:
>
>
>At this point in time, B5 is best appreciated by people familiar with
>written science fiction. It's only when you're familiar with a large
>body of SF that you start to realize how good B5 is. Not only does JMS
>understand science fiction, he avoids every taint of the mindless hackwork
>that passes for writing in the skiffy world.
>
>"Trekkies" became perjorative because so many trekkies know nothing about
>science fiction. Many of them have never read a book in their lives. B5
>is complex and literate. Those with the IQ of an onion lose interest and
>go elsewhere.
Trek wasn't always the crap it is now, though -- at one point, it was
thoughtful and interesting instead of "Baywatch: The Next Generation."
Old-time fans are EXTREMELY literate and well-read regards science
fiction -- but many of them are not terribly satisfied with the recent
Trek offering and have either dropped it or wound up elsewhere, like
here. The most thoughtful and well-read Trek fans I know are also the
ones who are the most open about their reservations about the newest
incarnations of the show -- "Star Trek: Voyager -- The Search For A
Plot," and "Baywatch: Deep Space Nine."
Plainly put, it's gotten too big and worth too much money -- Trek is no
longer a dramatic show in its own right but an hour-long commercial for
merchandise schlock. As a result, they've gotten chickenshit and afraid
to take the risks that produce something novel and fun like the
"Bleeping Blankety Blank" episode on the X files or "And Now For A
Word." It's just too big and worth too much and now accountants are
making the creaetive decisions as opposed to people who are familiar
with drama, writing, and television. People who have literally never
written six lines in a row in anything but a laundry or shopping list are
now making major creative decisions for Berman instead of letting him do
it himself.
Since B5 isn't worth near that much in terms of merchandise (and I hope
it NEVER will be), jms is given his head. It's not a franchise -- it's
a show, and hence it can aim itself towards a viewership and not a
commodities market. Trek was once this unusual and interesting -- but
it's just gotten so huge that there are people in charge of making major
creative decisions that have NO idea why the original show was so
successful.
And the Trek fans who are disgusted with this turn of events are damned
lucky that, at the same time this is happening, someone else has decided
to tilt at the windmill and prove that television science fiction is not
necessarily equal to Trek.
At this point, I think that the hardcore Trek fans are probably the
droolers simmly because it's gotten SO bad that no one who has ever read
a line of John Varley or James Tiptree would ever put up with such
dreck. But initially -- it was really something. Think of Trek as the
Berenstein Bears lesson on "What Not To Do." But it's not so much that
Trek fans are just drooling idiots who don't read -- it's that the ones
who once loved the show who *are* literate are jumping ship in droves.
And since B5 is SO good and confronts so many of the issues that Trek
wimps out on, it's no wonder we're swimming this way. This mass exodus
of literate fans from the ranks of Trekfen will then necessarily leave
the droolers behind.
Take care,
Janis
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Larry Caldwell
> Just an idle thought - do B5 fans have any kind of nifty nickname (like
B5 watchers are known as "Science Fiction Fans." Note the recent Hugo.
At this point in time, B5 is best appreciated by people familiar with
written science fiction. It's only when you're familiar with a large
body of SF that you start to realize how good B5 is. Not only does JMS
understand science fiction, he avoids every taint of the mindless hackwork
that passes for writing in the skiffy world.
"Trekkies" became perjorative because so many trekkies know nothing about
science fiction. Many of them have never read a book in their lives. B5
is complex and literate. Those with the IQ of an onion lose interest and
go elsewhere.
-- Larry
Alan Caldera
Larry Caldwell wrote:
>
> In article <322622...@airmail.net>,
> Alan Caldera <acal...@airmail.net> wrote:
>
>
> B5 watchers are known as "Science Fiction Fans." Note the recent
> Hugo. At this point in time, B5 is best appreciated by people
> familiar with written science fiction. It's only when you're familiar
> with a large body of SF that you start to realize how good B5 is. Not
> only does JMS understand science fiction, he avoids every taint of the
> mindless hackwork that passes for writing in the skiffy world.
>
> "Trekkies" became perjorative because so many trekkies know nothing
> about science fiction. Many of them have never read a book in their
> lives. B5 is complex and literate. Those with the IQ of an onion
> lose interest and go elsewhere.
Boy, I seem to have touched a sore spot with some people with what I
though was an idle question. I don't mean to pick on you specifically,
Larry, or anyone else for that matter, but there are a couple of points
in your post to which I'd like to respond. I do agree that "B5 is
complex and literate." I have, myself, often likened it to SF novels,
find I can analyze it in the same way I do novels, and often use
literary terms in discussing various aspects of the show.
As for B5 being "best appreciated by people familiar with written
science fiction," I don't agree that this is always the case. My
husband Alan (whose account this is that I'm using, BTW), for example,
has read very little written SF, but has been a tremendous fan of the
show since the pilot. I, on the other hand, who have been reading
almost exclusively SF since I was in the fifth grade, didn't get hooked
until midway through the second season, despite my husband's repeated
urgings to "give it a chance." I would say that B5 is best appreciated
by those who are avid readers, not necessarily just of SF. My husband,
to use him again for an example (sorry, hon!), reads mostly Tom
Clancy-type military thrillers and WWII-related fiction and non-fiction.
I would further generalize and say that those who are avid readers
generally have broad attention spans, vivid imaginations, a love of the
kind of detail that really brings a setting or a character to life, an
appreciation for the carefully balanced interrelationship of literary
elements (plot, character, setting, etc.), and a desire to be challenged
by dynamic characters and thought-provoking situations. All of these
are qualities, IMHO, necessary to fully appreciate all of the subtlety,
detail, and intrigue packed into B5.
As long as I'm in "generalization mode," I'll also add that I, myself,
have never been particularly troubled by labels and have never minded
being called a "Trekkie." Labels do have some good uses, such as
allowing a person to quickly "get a handle" or something or even
someone, as long as that label is not set in concrete as the be-all,
end-all essence of the thing or person in question. I have several
friends that I initially got to know because of our mutual love of SF
("SF fan" is, after all, just another label), even though I later found
out that they had many other interests and we had things in common
beyond SF.
I can, however, also understand the feelings of those who are vehemently
opposed to labels since labels are often misapplied (as in a co-worker
of mine who had the audacity to call herself an SF fan because she likes
movies about alien abductions, even though she has never read an SF book
in her life and hasn't the faintest idea what the difference between
Star Wars and Star Trek is) or used in a hurtful manner (as when people
in school classified me as "brainy," i.e. some shy, little mouse who
couldn't possibly be any fun at all - boy, were they wrong! - their
loss!)
Bottom line is, I think we can call ourselves whatever we want to for
right now. A B5 label doesn't really have much chance of being mis-used
at this point in time since (at least, in my experience) the general
public is totally ignorant of the existence of B5. "Babylonian" or
"Babyloholic" wouldn't mean very much to non-B5 fans since they most
likely wouldn't make the connection. "Trekker/Trekkie" is more readily
identifiable since Trek has pretty much become a cultural icon. B5
isn't there - YET!
So there's my long-winded $.02 worth.
- Ellen Caldera
P.S. I kind of like "Lurker" myself, which is what I will now go back
to doing...
Janis Maria C. C. Cortese
In article <322CB5...@airmail.net> acal...@airmail.net writes:
>
>As for B5 being "best appreciated by people familiar with written
>science fiction," I don't agree that this is always the case. My
>husband Alan (whose account this is that I'm using, BTW), for example,
>has read very little written SF, but has been a tremendous fan of the
>show since the pilot. I, on the other hand, who have been reading
>almost exclusively SF since I was in the fifth grade, didn't get hooked
>until midway through the second season, despite my husband's repeated
>urgings to "give it a chance."
I'm the same way -- mostly because I'm cynical and an impatient shit
most times. I thought the first season of B5 outstunk a buffalo in
summer myself, but towards the end of the second season I started
getting very interested, when the stuff from the first that I had been
familiar with started coming together. I missed a large chunk of the
third season on first-run since I taught at a local JC the same night it
aired, but got hooked RAPIDLY once I saw them on second viewing. From
hating B5, I've gone totally around to becoming a junkie.
I was kept apprised of the plot twists thanks to a friend of mine (Hi,
Lisa!) and was injected with some first season stuff thanks to her and
her hubby (Hi, Tim!) that I liked but that just didn't impress me, with
the exception of "Believers." I think the problem was that it was all
exposition and setup for the following seasons, so it seemed like a
bunch of pretentious, irritating non sequiturs to me. When things
started coming together and I started sensing a long-range order, that's
when I really became curious enough to keep watching. (And when
Boxleitner came on board, but let's not start that again.)
Watching B5 is like looking at an Ansel Adams photograph -- starting at
the pixel level and slowly zooming out. At first, it's just a bunch of
irritating little unrelated dots that make NO sense whatsoever. Then,
when you pull back, they start to look regularly spaced so you keep
looking because evidently something's going on. Then, they start to
make sense over the larger scale, so you keep looking. THEN, bits of
images start jumping out at you and you suspect the shape of the whole
picture, so you're rivetted to see what new piece of the picture will
make itself plain to you as you zoom back on your way to seeing the
whole thing.
>I would say that B5 is best appreciated
>by those who are avid readers, not necessarily just of SF. My husband,
>to use him again for an example (sorry, hon!), reads mostly Tom
>Clancy-type military thrillers and WWII-related fiction and non-fiction.
I am also an avid reader of much more than SF -- in fact SF comprises
the minority of my book collection. I used to be one of those book
gourmand types for about two months in my teens -- you know, the sort
of teenaged fan that reads anything with a spaceship on the front cover
-- but that phase didn't last too long. It felt like book bulimia,
just chomping down anything, regardless of quality. Even now, much
as I adore science fiction, I subscribe to no magazines and nearly
never buy a book unless I like the author (and liking James Tiptree and
Joanna Russ means you can never find their fucking books!), unless it's
nonfiction. Reading everything with space monsters on the front cover
like that just struck me as being an indiscriminate glutton the same way
that someone who chows down on anything in sight is with food. (I'm
also sick of READING other people's stuff and have started to try to pry
my own work out of my head and get sold. There comes a time when you
have to shut out other people's chatter and listen to what your own muse
says.)
>I would further generalize and say that those who are avid readers
>generally have broad attention spans,
Urk. As Marcus said, "I'm still working on patience." :-)
>vivid imaginations, a love of the
>kind of detail that really brings a setting or a character to life, an
>appreciation for the carefully balanced interrelationship of literary
>elements (plot, character, setting, etc.), and a desire to be challenged
>by dynamic characters
HEAVY on the characters, please. Much as I adore the political
machinations on B5, if it weren't for the realistic textured way the
PEOPLE are drawn I wouldn't give a fart in a high wind about the
political crap. If you don't care about them, who CARES if they blow up
or not? That was my major problem with Anne Rice's vampire books --
sure there was lots of stuff going on, but I didn't give a flying damn
about any of the people, so I yawned for fifty pages and then put the
book down for good and got something to eat.
>and thought-provoking situations. All of these
>are qualities, IMHO, necessary to fully appreciate all of the subtlety,
>detail, and intrigue packed into B5.
B5 is the first time I've seen something like classic science fiction
that I don't view as an outsider. Part of my lack of interest in
gorging myself on any and all sci-fi books comes from being exposed,
with my finely honed sense of anger and pissiness, to the Grand
Triumvirate of Clarke, Asimov, and Heinlein as if they were all you had
to read to know science fiction. And as much as those guys are
classics, I'm sorry but if you're a woman it's very obvious to you that
this is not your literature. You're an outsider reading someone else's
view of the universe. Sure, they were more or less scientifically
accurate, which means a WHOLE helluva lot (I've got an MS in physics
with a concentration in high energy so I appreciate that) -- but in some
instances, it seemed like they were just showing off, "Look what I know
and you don't." BFD. Tell me about the people. It wasn't until I
started reading Tiptree and Russ and Varley and Vinge that I ran into
authors who demonstrated in screaming neon letters that SF was *my*
literature, too and that I could use the interest in gender and
sexuality and the anger I felt over them as fodder for stories. I
*genuflect* when I say James Tiptree's name. (I cringe to admit that
I've only ever read one of Harlan Ellison's stories, though -- "Jeffty
Is Five," which hit me like a ton of bricks. I would like to read more
but I'm too busy digging up Russ right now.)
At any rate, B5 is the first of those sorts of galaxy spanning
mythopoetic political thingamabobs that I've ever encountered that
doesn't act like I'm some sort of unplanned girl in the boys' clubhouse.
Women are only half of the human race, it's not too much to ask, I think
-- and jms just *does* it. Not pretentiously, like Trek does -- he just
includes people because it makes sense to do it and because it's what
would actually occur. It's simple realism and logic -- not political
correctness, which mostly translates to white male self-congratulation.
>I can, however, also understand the feelings of those who are
>vehemently opposed to labels since labels are often misapplied (as in
>a co-worker of mine who had the audacity to call herself an SF fan
>because she likes movies about alien abductions, even though she has
>never read an SF book in her life and hasn't the faintest idea what the
>difference between Star Wars and Star Trek is) or used in a hurtful
>manner (as when people in school classified me as "brainy," i.e. some
>shy, little mouse who couldn't possibly be any fun at all - boy, were
>they wrong! - their loss!)
One of the neat things about this whole adulthood schtick is that all of
us people who were once called nasty names in school for being smart and
interested in lots of things are now the really cool, fun people to hang
around with. :-) And all of the conformists are having midlife crises
right about now . . . heh heh heh . . . no, *I*'m not perversely gleeful
or vengeful at ALL!
>Bottom line is, I think we can call ourselves whatever we want to
>for right now. A B5 label doesn't really have much chance of being
>mis-used at this point in time since (at least, in my experience)
>the general public is totally ignorant of the existence of B5.
I just say that I like the show and don't bother with a label. The
label "SF fan" wouldn't even work with me despite the fact that I *am*
a crazy SF fan, because in too many people's minds that translates to a
book glutton with nineteen thousand boxes of books in my apartment who
has read everything Arthur Clarke ever scribbled on a cocktail napkin.
This doesn't apply to me. I'm much more likely to dig out archaeology
textbooks than get a hardcover collection of Harlan Ellison's laundry
lists. I have about two shelves of science fiction novels and that's
IT. I have, however, generally read all the esoteric shit -- I don't
know the Foundation trilogy at all, but how many people have read Joanna
Russ's "To Write Like A Woman," or Tiptree's "Backward, Turn Backward"
or "Yanqui Doodle?"
(Now there will probably come a tide of people on line who have dug out
that stuff from the mases of those who haven't . . . )
>"Babylonian" or "Babyloholic" wouldn't mean very much to non-B5 fans
>since they most likely wouldn't make the connection. "Trekker/Trekkie"
>is more readily identifiable since Trek has pretty much become a
>cultural icon. B5 isn't there - YET!
Part of it is also that the Trek franchise is a merchandise cranker like
you wouldn't believe. Whatever the images of the Trek fan publicly, the
persistant image of the "Trekkie" is mostly defined as the geek who will
slavishly purchase ANY old piece of shit manufactured with a Trek
trefoil on it. Since B5 puts out so *little* stuff, that slavish
glutton image can't even be achieved by those who would like to achieve
it.
:-),
Barry Twycross
In article <R.Ballam-030...@141.163.131.12>,
R.Ba...@plymouth.ac.uk (Ruth Ballam) wrote:
>But I don't *want* a "nifty" name.
>
><Life of Brian mode>
>
>We're all individuals !
I'm not!
></Life of Brian mode>
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Stephen Moore
On 03-Sep-96 13:13:12, Brian K. Bragg (bkb...@mindspring.com) wrote about "Re: Name for B5 Fans?" in message n/a
>>Just an idle thought - do B5 fans have any kind of nifty nickname (like
>>Trekker/Trekkie)? "B5 Fans" is kinda boring. "Babylonoholic" or
>>"Babylonophile" is a bit of a mouthful. Comments? Is there a
>>definitive answer to this? (Pardon if this has been debated ad
>>infinitum before - I didn't start reading this newsgroup until several
>>months after it started up...)
>>- Ellen Caldera
>How about
>"People"
>or
>"Homo Sapian's"
>or better still
><big drum roll>
>"<Insert your name here>"
>I really don't like cute little nick names. I want to hurt someone
>every time I hear the word "trekkie" I have a life. I am an
>individual, and I say keep your labels to yourself. I don't mind
>hands, but keep your labels to yourself.
I don't remember the exact quote, or who said it, but IIRC I read this
somewhere after Channel 4 called B5 fans "Space cadets"
Q : What do you B5 fans call yourself then.
A : The audience...
Steve Moore : ** smo...@btinternet.com **
Michael Dubost
Personnally, I favor Babyloniacs. It has the right sense of slight humor, and
a touch of the insanity induced by long waits for new episodes, failed attempts
to predict what's coming next, and the sheer emotional shock of WHAM
episodes like Severed Dreams.
Mike Dubost
Karl Andrews
Larry Caldwell wrote:
>
> At this point in time, B5 is best appreciated by people familiar with
It is not my intent to cast aspersions in Larry's direction, but does anyone
remember "this point in time" being so ubiquitous before John Dean's
televised testimony?
- Karl
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Fred Palumbo
-> >I really don't like cute little nick names. I want to hurt someone
-> >every time I hear the word "trekkie" I have a life. I am an
-> >individual, and I say keep your labels to yourself. I don't mind
-> >hands, but keep your labels to yourself.
I know how you feel... I've never liked the nicknames given by others.
If I have to have one though, I'd rather go with "lurkers" - since it's at
least an >accurate< name.
When this on-line discussion of B5 started over on GEnie in 1991, it was
(basically), just Joe telling us about a proposed project that he couldn't
even name. (TWCNBN, he called it - That Which Can Not Be Named.)
>From that point on, and for over a year or more, we were basically lurkers
- since we really didn't know a damned thing except for the text that came
across the screen.
And it beats a few of the names I've seen already (although Babbalooies
kind of brings me back to my childhood and the old Quickdraw McGraw
cartoons :-)
FPP
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Richard Griffith
Alan Caldera wrote:
>
> Larry Caldwell wrote:
> >
> > In article <322622...@airmail.net>,
> > Alan Caldera <acal...@airmail.net> wrote:
> >
> > > Just an idle thought - do B5 fans have any kind of nifty nickname...
> >
> > "Trekkies" became perjorative because so many trekkies know nothing
> > about science fiction. Many of them have never read a book in their
> > lives. B5 is complex and literate. Those with the IQ of an onion
> > lose interest and go elsewhere.
I somewhat agree with that... I notice that many (not all) "trekkies"
are,
for the most part, the "clique"-ish types - they don't care so much for
trek, or SF - just that they belong to a "group of like-minded
people" - Have you noticed how many people are assuming the label
"trekker" instead of "trekkie"?? interesting... no?
>
> Boy, I seem to have touched a sore spot with some people with what I
> though was an idle question. I don't mean to pick on you specifically,
> Larry, or anyone else for that matter, but there are a couple of points
> in your post to which I'd like to respond. I do agree that "B5 is
> complex and literate." I have, myself, often likened it to SF novels,
> find I can analyze it in the same way I do novels, and often use
> literary terms in discussing various aspects of the show.
[ content deleted ]
> .... I would say that B5 is best appreciated
> by those who are avid readers, not necessarily just of SF. My husband,
> to use him again for an example (sorry, hon!), reads mostly Tom
> Clancy-type military thrillers and WWII-related fiction and non-fiction.
Gee - ya mean that B5 is more than SF?? :-) ya sure youbetcha. SF,
Political intrigue, Military intrigue, mystery, comedy.... a lot
like life... huh? Good writing defies labels.
[ content deleted ]
> As long as I'm in "generalization mode," I'll also add that I, myself,
> have never been particularly troubled by labels and have never minded
> being called a "Trekkie."
me too... :-)
[ content deleted ]
> I can, however, also understand the feelings of those who are vehemently
> opposed to labels since labels are often misapplied (as in a co-worker
> of mine who had the audacity to call herself an SF fan because she likes
> movies about alien abductions, even though she has never read an SF book
> in her life and hasn't the faintest idea what the difference between
> Star Wars and Star Trek is)
gee, one of those "clique"ish types? maybe?
[ content deleted ]
>
> P.S. I kind of like "Lurker" myself, which is what I will now go back
> to doing...
The only problem I have with this label is that whenever I hear it...
I think of "Lurking in the Shadows".... *shudder*...
- griff
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Richard Griffith wrote:
>
> Gee - ya mean that B5 is more than SF?? :-) ya sure youbetcha. SF,
> Political intrigue, Military intrigue, mystery, comedy.... a lot
> like life... huh? Good writing defies labels.
>
I don't sse how this in any way makes B5 "more than SF". Have you read "Downbelow
Station", "The Mote in God's Eye", or "Red Mars"? All of these have military and
political intregue. Asimov and Niven are among the many writers of SF mysteries.
I've certainly read lots of SF comedy pieces. And nobody says they're "more than
SF". Good SF is about the future and how it affects people; it contains stories
that could fit into any genre.
David
Karl Andrews
Richard Griffith wrote:
>
> Alan Caldera wrote:
> >
> > P.S. I kind of like "Lurker" myself, which is what I will now go back
>
> I think of "Lurking in the Shadows".... *shudder*...
>
Or being eaten by a Lurking Grue when your light goes out. Hey, it wasn't
*that* long ago!
- Karl
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From
Mike Paquette
Karl Andrews <kand...@ptdcs2.intel.com> wrote:
>It is not my intent to cast aspersions in Larry's direction, but does anyone
>remember "this point in time" being so ubiquitous before John Dean's
>televised testimony?
I don't have any recollection of that. I believe that phrase is no
longer operative. We must maintian plausable deniability...
*SIGH* Waaaay too long between new episodes, eh?
Mike Paquette
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Manuel Azevedo
On Fri, 30 Aug 1996 20:39:36 GMT, ayer...@netcom.com (Aimee Yermish)
wrote:
>Babylonians?
I think that one was already used to label some guys in a city that
existed a long time ago in what now is Iraq...
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>Just an idle thought - do B5 fans have any kind of nifty nickname (like
>Trekker/Trekkie)? "B5 Fans" is kinda boring. "Babylonoholic" or
>"Babylonophile" is a bit of a mouthful. Comments? Is there a
>definitive answer to this? (Pardon if this has been debated ad
>infinitum before - I didn't start reading this newsgroup until several
>months after it started up...)
Does it matter to have a label... I once was a Trek fan, but never
identified myself as a Trekker or Trekkie; I thought of myself as a
fan but not a TREK maniac. Anything that tends to be obsessive ruins
the purpose at all.
I love B5, sure I buy a lot of magazines about the subject, sure I
lurk on the Internet and waste a lot of money with it, but I'm no
crazy maniac that needs to be labeled as a "Babylonian" or a "B-Fiver"
or anything else. I consider myself as a normal person (B5 is one of
my healthy paranoia) and I don't like to be labeled.
I hope you can understand what I'm trying to say...
JW
> I hope you can understand what I'm trying to say...
I understand perfectly. Some people have their favorite show's concept
down to an art form. They live and breath their obsession. Nothing
wrong with that as long as they come up for a reality check once in a
while. As was once said in a great novel once "Leave others to their
otherness", I can't recall the novel's name now, maybe someone out there
will know, but it is a good philosophy to live by.
B5 is a great show and about the best dramatic SF I ever encountered.
JMS is a genius and I hope he continues pursuing his visions. I hope B5
continues in our minds for a long time, just as Star Trek has before
it.
Thanks for listening.
Javier R.
On 03 Sep 96 19:43:58 +0000,
smo...@btinternet.com (Stephen Moore) was saying us...
>>>Just an idle thought - do B5 fans have any kind of nifty nickname (like
>>>Trekker/Trekkie)? "B5 Fans" is kinda boring. "Babylonoholic" or
I have read "Fiver," but I don't remind where.
Javier, the Lone Lurker
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In article <519vhd$s...@artemis.ibernet.es> jre...@dirac.es (Javier R.) writes:
>On 03 Sep 96 19:43:58 +0000,
>smo...@btinternet.com (Stephen Moore) was saying us...
>
>>>>Just an idle thought - do B5 fans have any kind of nifty nickname
>>>>(like Trekker/Trekkie)? "B5 Fans" is kinda boring. "Babylonoholic"
>
Who was it here who said "Babyloniac?" I sort of liked that one. I
still stun myself by buying books and things that go with the show. I
haven't gotten this fannish for a while -- hell, I haven't gotten this
ENTHUSIASTIC for a while. The first two seasons of DS9 were good, but
their merchandise sucks ROCKS. No books.
Take care,
John R. Campbell
Consider, however, that B5 is able to be appreciated (and enjoyed) by people
who have historically disliked SF.
This is a story about interactions between people, whose nature never really
changes (read Ecclesiastes); Technology, the use of a Space Station, doesn't
alter the people or your perception of them. It can be a hook, however, to
snatch people who like SF off the street and get them to think and question
themselves. Others are put off by the background but discover the richness
of the "cultures" exposed when they finally sit to watch.
If a B5 episode doesn't make you feel _something_, be it it love, hate,
anger, pain, you may need to take a closer look at yourself and the world
around you- because that's what B5 is really about.
Y'know, B5 is likely to provide some folks with "a life"; It encourages
thought and questions. B5 _is_ for people who have "got a life" already,
or for people who wish to "get a life"... :-) :-)
People are the key- They _don't_ change. Star Trek notwithstanding.
--
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Disclaimer: I'm just a consultant at the bottom of the food chain, so,
if you're thinking I speak for anyone but myself, you must
have more lawyers than sense.
Unknown
Javier R. wrote:
> >>>Just an idle thought - do B5 fans have any kind of nifty nickname (like
> >>>Trekker/Trekkie)? "B5 Fans" is kinda boring. "Babylonoholic" or
>
How about Babi-phile, Babi-holic, or just plain Lurker...
-Me
Miche
In article <corteseD...@netcom.com>
cor...@netcom.com (Janis Maria C. C. Cortese) writes:
> Watching B5 is like looking at an Ansel Adams photograph -- starting at
> the pixel level and slowly zooming out. At first, it's just a bunch of
> irritating little unrelated dots that make NO sense whatsoever. Then,
> when you pull back, they start to look regularly spaced so you keep
> looking because evidently something's going on. Then, they start to
> make sense over the larger scale, so you keep looking. THEN, bits of
> images start jumping out at you and you suspect the shape of the whole
> picture, so you're rivetted to see what new piece of the picture will
> make itself plain to you as you zoom back on your way to seeing the
> whole thing.
And I've found I have to watch it more than once. My fiance and I have
'B5 catchup sessions' every few weeks because it's on at a stupid time
here (3pm Saturday - I'm down here playing on the net instead of
watching it) and not everyone can see it who wants to. This means I've
seen most episodes twice and some three times. My friends *really*
wonder what's going on when I go 'ohhhh - so *that's* why!' then won't
tell them what I've just noticed.
Miche
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>> >Just an idle thought - do B5 fans have any kind of nifty nickname (like
>> >Trekker/Trekkie)? "B5 Fans" is kinda boring. "Babylonoholic" or
>> >"Babylonophile" is a bit of a mouthful.
>>
>> Babylonians?
>Someone brings this up every once in a while, and nothing ever sticks.
>I think most of us feel neither the need or the desire to have a cute
>label affixed to us.
Neither do a lot of STAR TREK fans...like me, for instance. I despise
being called a Trekker or a Trekkie or a Trekaholic or whatever the term
they come up with. They never seem able to say "Star Trek fan," which
states the issue quite plainly.
The others denote a certain degree of rabid fanaticism I don't like being
associated with.
Patrick Goodman
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Jon Meyer
Unknown wrote:
>
> How about Babi-phile, Babi-holic, or just plain Lurker...
>
> -Me
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Slans
Steven W. Difranco
In a previous article, jrho...@execpc.com (Mary Jean Holmes) says:
>David DeRubeis <deru...@ligand.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu> wrote:
>
>>Aimee Yermish wrote:
>>>
>>> In article <322622...@airmail.net>,
>>> Alan Caldera <acal...@airmail.net> wrote:
>>> >Just an idle thought - do B5 fans have any kind of nifty nickname (like
>>> >Trekker/Trekkie)? "B5 Fans" is kinda boring. "Babylonoholic" or
>>> >"Babylonophile" is a bit of a mouthful.
>>>
>>> Babylonians?
>>>
>>
>>Someone brings this up every once in a while, and nothing ever sticks.
>>I think most of us feel neither the need or the desire to have a cute
>>label affixed to us.
>>
>I tend to agree. As soon as a fan group starts applying a name
>to itself, people outside the group pick it up and eventually
>start using it as an perjorative rather than a mere identifier.
>I watched Trek, but I was never a Trekkie or a Trekker, yet every
>time I mentioned the fact that I liked the show, certain people
>automatically slapped on the label and began to apply
>inapplicable attributes to me because I was, to them, a
>get-a-life "Trekkie."
>
>I'd rather not see this happen with B5. But if I were to stick a
>label on myself about it, I would choose Babyloniac, if only
>because it is tongue-in-cheek, and might give some people the
>message that I do not take this too seriously, I do not live for
>it, and I have a life outside B5, thank you.
>
>MJ
>
>
I tend to think of myself as a "Babe"......well, I'ts as good as
anything else.
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From
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In article <51ks1l$h...@library.airnews.net>, osw...@airmail.net wrote:
> Slans
Nice tip o' the hat to Mr. Van Vogt... and a nice metaphor too, I must
admit. Underrecognized, persecuted minority... markedly superior to
clueless surrounding homo sapiens... possible next step on the
evolutionary ladder. And what perfect fodder for B5/Trek flamewars <grin>
<PLEASE note tongue FIRMLY DEPOSITED IN CHEEK. PLEASE>
While I do agree that Babylon 5 is -- more than anything else out there
right now -- "Thinking-person's science fiction", I don't think we'll get
very far by putting on airs and trying to claim an inherent superiority.
Maybe a higher state of enlightenment :)
Chantal
Jason Lindquist
cor...@netcom.com (Janis Maria C. C. Cortese) writes:
>Who was it here who said "Babyloniac?" I sort of liked that one. I
>still stun myself by buying books and things that go with the show. I
>haven't gotten this fannish for a while -- hell, I haven't gotten this
>ENTHUSIASTIC for a while. The first two seasons of DS9 were good, but
>their merchandise sucks ROCKS. No books.
I thought we HAD a term for B5 fans... we're Lurkers, aren't we?
As for books... I keep meaning to pick up the B5's. I used to buy
the Trek books as they came out. (Working across from the mall
bookstore helped that.) I quit when I started college, since I
hadn't as much time to read them, which was good 'cause they really
seemed to go downhill at that point. A couple were just downright
awful, Kosh protect B5's novels from the same fate.
But yeah, I haven't been this near-obsessive about anything since
the last few years of TNG.
JL,
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it grow and show up at UltraZone on Halloween as Londo...
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I'm not intellectually equipped to participate in the complex
conversations that the topic has brough up, but I think it's really cool
that the nickname "Lurkers" was invented for the Internet fans and has
been used on many occasions in the series itself. I vainly like to think
of that as somewhat of a tribute (or mention at least) to the B5 audience.
Does anyone know who came up with that name? I would assume that it is an
old Internet fan. Also, does anyone know whether a fan group of a sci-fi
series has actually been mentioned on the series itself as continuing
"characters"?
Anybody else who lives in Downbelow should be able to appreciate the name
and be proud to be known as "Lurkers".
To whoever mentioned that nobody pays enough attention to pigeonhole B5
viewers: Amen, brother, and let's hope it stays that way.
Maudlin
A name for B5 fans, considering how long we in the U.S have to wait for
new episodes how about "The Abused".
Maudlin
z
Timmins William Anthony
In article <51n0ai$q...@madeline.ins.cwru.edu>,
Steven W. Difranco <sw...@po.CWRU.Edu> wrote:
>>label on myself about it, I would choose Babyloniac, if only
I always preferred Babylaniac (well there's Sheridan and Garibaldi and
Delenn _is_ cuuuute)
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Timmins William Anthony writes:
>I always preferred Babyloniac (well there's Sheridan and Garibaldi and
>Delenn _is_ cuuuute)
New Thread: cast "AniManiacs" as B-5 characters. Ivanova's "Rita" the cat
(does this mean Marcus is "Runt"?)... Londo and Vir are "Brain" and
"Pinky", respectively... Who's "Slappy the Squirrel"?
--AmyCat (who really shouldn't post on so little sleep...)
to...@fred.net
Amy Carpenter (am...@efn.org) wrote:
: Timmins William Anthony writes:
: >I always preferred Babyloniac (well there's Sheridan and Garibaldi and
: >Delenn _is_ cuuuute)
:
: New Thread: cast "AniManiacs" as B-5 characters. Ivanova's "Rita" the cat
: (does this mean Marcus is "Runt"?)... Londo and Vir are "Brain" and
: "Pinky", respectively... Who's "Slappy the Squirrel"?
Delenn. And Slappy is Lennier.
Wakko is Sheridan, Dot is Ivanova, and Yakko is Garibaldi.
Oh, and Chicken Boo as Kosh.
(Does that make Katie Ka-Boom as Morgana LeFay?)
To...@Fred.Net
http://www.fred.net/tomr
tlh153
In article <52aklh$e...@garcia.efn.org>
am...@efn.org (Amy Carpenter) writes:
> Timmins William Anthony writes:
> >I always preferred Babyloniac (well there's Sheridan and Garibaldi and
> >Delenn _is_ cuuuute)
>
Babyloniacs sounds stupid....like insomniac it has a negative tone.
Babylonian sounds better.
Also, I believe "Lurker" is the accepted fan name....
Jay Denebeim
I still prefer science fiction fans.
Jay
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In article <52bhs9$b...@news.fred.net>, to...@fred.net ( ) wrote:
>Amy Carpenter (am...@efn.org) wrote:
>: Timmins William Anthony writes:
>: >I always preferred Babyloniac (well there's Sheridan and Garibaldi and
>: >Delenn _is_ cuuuute)
>:
>: New Thread: cast "AniManiacs" as B-5 characters. Ivanova's "Rita" the cat
>: (does this mean Marcus is "Runt"?)... Londo and Vir are "Brain" and
>: "Pinky", respectively... Who's "Slappy the Squirrel"?
>
>Delenn. And Slappy is Lennier.
...Slappy is delenn, who's lennier?
>Wakko is Sheridan, Dot is Ivanova, and Yakko is Garibaldi.
>
>Oh, and Chicken Boo as Kosh.
He's not an angel! He's a chicken! He's nothing but a great big
chicken! (WHAM! WHAM! WHAM!)
>(Does that make Katie Ka-Boom as Morgana LeFay?)
ARRRRGH!!!
:)
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In article <52bp8o$d...@marvin.deepthot.cary.nc.us>,
Jay Denebeim <dene...@deepthot.cary.nc.us> wrote:
>In article <52bp0s$o...@r02n01.cac.psu.edu>, tlh153 <tlh...@psu.edu> wrote:
>>In article <52aklh$e...@garcia.efn.org>
>>am...@efn.org (Amy Carpenter) writes:
>>
>>> >I always preferred Babyloniac (well there's Sheridan and Garibaldi and
>>> >Delenn _is_ cuuuute)
>>
>>Babylonian sounds better.
>>
>>Also, I believe "Lurker" is the accepted fan name....
>
>I still prefer science fiction fans.
I thought we were "Joe's People"? As in, "My people are coming"?
(from somebody who thinks she may have just discovered a way to make JMS
as nuts as he's making us <GRIN>)
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Those who only discover the series in later runs (e.g., stripped on TNT
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Of course, when the Younger Races finally discover the series, the First
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Amy Carpenter (am...@efn.org) wrote:
> New Thread: cast "AniManiacs" as B-5 characters. Ivanova's "Rita" the cat
> (does this mean Marcus is "Runt"?)...
Nah, Rita and Runt would be better as Delenn and Sheridan.
> Londo and Vir are "Brain" and
> "Pinky", respectively... Who's "Slappy the Squirrel"?
Now that's the one for Ivanova. Try to imagine Rita giving the
"You will listen to Ivanova, Ivanova is God" speech. Now imagine it with
Slappy... :-)
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In article <527sdo$g...@triton.np.ac.sg>, t...@np.ac.sg (Timmins William
Anthony) wrote:
> In article <51n0ai$q...@madeline.ins.cwru.edu>,
> Steven W. Difranco <sw...@po.CWRU.Edu> wrote:
>
> >>label on myself about it, I would choose Babyloniac, if only
>
> I always preferred Babylaniac (well there's Sheridan and Garibaldi and
> Delenn _is_ cuuuute)
Actually, the fact that there's no cute term to describe B5 fans is one of
the things I _like_ about being a B5 fan. If you like STAR TREK, you're
expected to start referring yourself as a Trekker or Trekkie or whatever
the hell they call themselves these days. A B5 fan refers to him or
herself as "A person who enjoys 'Bablylon 5'."
No need to subjugate your entire personality to a media-savvy nomeclation.
Very proletarian, I think.
-- Andy
Kyle Haight
In article <52c17u$c...@news.nyu.edu>,
Petrea Mitchell <pem...@is.nyu.edu> wrote:
>Amy Carpenter (am...@efn.org) wrote:
>
>> New Thread: cast "AniManiacs" as B-5 characters. Ivanova's "Rita" the cat
>> (does this mean Marcus is "Runt"?)...
Kosh is "Chicken Boo." He just is.
"To date, no human being has ever seen a Vorlon."
"They're chickens, I tell you! Giant chickens!"
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In article <khaightD...@netcom.com> kha...@netcom.com (Kyle Haight) writes:
>In article <52c17u$c...@news.nyu.edu>,
>Petrea Mitchell <pem...@is.nyu.edu> wrote:
>>Amy Carpenter (am...@efn.org) wrote:
>>
>>> New Thread: cast "AniManiacs" as B-5 characters. Ivanova's "Rita" the cat
>>> (does this mean Marcus is "Runt"?)...
>
>Kosh is "Chicken Boo." He just is.
>
>"To date, no human being has ever seen a Vorlon."
>"They're chickens, I tell you! Giant chickens!"
Oh hell, if THAT'S the case, then Kosh is a Snuffleupagus or however the
hell you spell that. It's been a while for me and Sesame Street.
Steven Azar
In article <52bp0s$o...@r02n01.cac.psu.edu>, tlh153 <tlh...@psu.edu> wrote:
>In article <52aklh$e...@garcia.efn.org>
>am...@efn.org (Amy Carpenter) writes:
>> Timmins William Anthony writes:
>> >Delenn _is_ cuuuute)
>Babyloniacs sounds stupid....like insomniac it has a negative tone.
Considering the time slot some of us get, it seems that much more
appropriate.
>Babylonian sounds better.
maybe, but then it sounds too much like bostonian, and i was never too keen
on baked beans.
>Also, I believe "Lurker" is the accepted fan name....
hummm negative tones for lurker: shirker, berzerker, worker, besides the
negative connotations directly from the show relating to the huddled masses
in down below...
I like the pure and simple "Fan of Babylon 5"
or, alternatively, "Babylon 5 Fan"
Nassif!!
Mary Jean Holmes
Amy Carpenter (am...@efn.org) wrote:
>
>Ivanova's "Rita" the cat (does this mean Marcus is "Runt"?)...
>
But I keep thinking of Ivanova as Katie Kaboom. 'Cause remember,
"Always...sooner or later... BOOM!!!"
Slappy ("I HATE cute") the Squirrel has to be JMS.
And about Vorlons being chickens... I keep thinking of a JMS
episode of "The Real Ghostbusters" in which a poor fellow is
driven mad by the smell from the KFC-like establishments in his
neighborhood, and turns to black magic in order to rid the entire
world of chickens....
MJ
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tlh153
In article <52dte9$o...@acmey.gatech.edu>
vap...@prism.gatech.edu (Steven Azar) writes:
> >Babyloniacs sounds stupid....like insomniac it has a negative tone.
> ^^^^^^^^^
> Considering the time slot some of us get, it seems that much more
> appropriate.
(grin) Good point. I'll be up at 2 AM Friday watching the Coming of
Shadows.
Batz
In <Pine.SOL.3.92.96092...@castor.usc.edu>
The Exhibitionist <wb...@scf-fs.usc.edu> wrote:
>Okay, here's who'd play each role (if Bab5 were made into Animaniacs...)
A few adjustments are in order.
>Sheridan -- Yakko Warner (he talks so much)
>Garibaldi -- Wakko Warner (the food)
>Delenn -- Dot Warner (take a guess.)
Ok, fine.
>Ivanova -- Slappy Squirrel (so Crabby & sarcastic)
No problem.
>Marcus -- Skippy Squirrel (cute innocent male)
Marcus -- Katie KA-BOOM. The explosion is just a matter of time.
Corwin -- Skippy. Its just got to be.
>Lennier -- the kid who talks about weird stuff then scampers home, leaving
> you scratching your head thinking "what was that?" (Forgot his
> name, but it's fitting...)
>Londo Mollari -- The Brain (wants to take over the world)
>Vir -- Pinky (sidekick, doesn't get Londo's philosophy)
No problems here.
>G'kar & the Narn -- the GoodFeathers (tight group, injured a lot)
Excellent!!
>Bester -- The Mime (gets injured a lot, says little)
Bester -- The Brain in a duel role. He's a very talented mouse.
>Anna Sheridan & Morden -- Rita & Runt (only want some food)
If Anna sings, I'll...I'll...I don't know what I'll do. It won't be
pleasant.
>Zack Allen -- Mr. Skullhead (good idea--bad idea...)
Zack Allen -- The lot guard. Uniform doesn't fit.
>Talia -- Hello Nurse (neither is seen much anymore)
Julie Muesante -- Hello Nurse. Another duel role? The dialog would be
stretch. Any dialog from Hello Nurse is a stretch.
>Dr. Franklin -- Dr. Scratchn'sniff w/ Voice-over... (so little patience)
Ok.
>Shadows -- the British Royal Family (they're characters, too)
Shadows -- All politicions parodied on Animaniacs.
>And of course:
>Kosh Naranek -- Buttons (a protector of innocents, gets hurt bad, and
> nobody understands him...)
Kosh Naranek -- The Wheel of Morality.
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Do you realize, if this thread were posted to alt.tv.animaniacs it
would be a story idea?
B&R
Bob Armitage
Steven Azar <vap...@prism.gatech.edu> wrote in article
<52dte9$o...@acmey.gatech.edu>...
> In article <52bp0s$o...@r02n01.cac.psu.edu>, tlh153 <tlh...@psu.edu>
wrote:
> >In article <52aklh$e...@garcia.efn.org>
> >am...@efn.org (Amy Carpenter) writes:
> >> Timmins William Anthony writes:
> >> >I always preferred Babyloniac (well there's Sheridan and Garibaldi
and
> >> >Delenn _is_ cuuuute)
> ^^^^^^^^^
> Considering the time slot some of us get, it seems that much more
> appropriate.
>
>
> maybe, but then it sounds too much like bostonian, and i was never too
keen
> on baked beans.
>
> >Also, I believe "Lurker" is the accepted fan name....
>
> hummm negative tones for lurker: shirker, berzerker, worker, besides the
> negative connotations directly from the show relating to the huddled
masses
> in down below...
>
> >
> >Troy-...@psu.edu
> >
>
> I like the pure and simple "Fan of Babylon 5"
> or, alternatively, "Babylon 5 Fan"
>
> Nassif!!
How about "FB-5", meaning Friends of Babylon 5, and let anyone who doesn't
know what it means give you the opportunity to talk about a great TV show.
Son of Zorak
Kyle Haight wrote:
>
> In article <52c17u$c...@news.nyu.edu>,
> Petrea Mitchell <pem...@is.nyu.edu> wrote:
> >Amy Carpenter (am...@efn.org) wrote:
> >
> >> (does this mean Marcus is "Runt"?)...
>
>
> "To date, no human being has ever seen a Vorlon."
> "They're chickens, I tell you! Giant chickens!"
>
> Kyle Haight
> kha...@netcom.com
>
> "We are mice, posting to Usenet in the first stages of a complex plan
> to Take Over The WORLD!"
All the sudden a very vorlon looking ship comes out of the sky and
snatches lyke away for 500 years...
"You are not ready...to know we are chickens...DOAH!"
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Batz (ter...@nightowl.net) wrote:
:
: >Talia -- Hello Nurse (neither is seen much anymore)
:
: Julie Muesante -- Hello Nurse. Another duel role? The dialog would be
: stretch. Any dialog from Hello Nurse is a stretch.
Julie Musante - Minerva Mink
Lyta - Hello Nurse :)
I still like Slappy as Delenn (yeah, I know I said Skippy -- read the CGI
on the side of the ship wrong....) and Skippy as Lennier.
: Do you realize, if this thread were posted to alt.tv.animaniacs it
: would be a story idea?
Who wants to cross-post? :)
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"\Amy Carpenter (am...@efn.org) wrote:
"\: Timmins William Anthony writes:
"\: >I always preferred Babyloniac (well there's Sheridan and Garibaldi and
"\: >Delenn _is_ cuuuute)
"\:
"\: New Thread: cast "AniManiacs" as B-5 characters. Ivanova's "Rita" the cat
"\: (does this mean Marcus is "Runt"?)... Londo and Vir are "Brain" and
"\: "Pinky", respectively... Who's "Slappy the Squirrel"?
"\Delenn. And Slappy is Lennier.
Wrong! Slappy is G'kar! Marcus is Dr. Scratchensniff!
"\Wakko is Sheridan, Dot is Ivanova, and Yakko is Garibaldi.
"\Oh, and Chicken Boo as Kosh.
"\(Does that make Katie Ka-Boom as Morgana LeFay?)
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Amy Carpenter wrote:
>
> Timmins William Anthony writes:
> >I always preferred Babyloniac (well there's Sheridan and Garibaldi and
> >Delenn _is_ cuuuute)
>
> New Thread: cast "AniManiacs" as B-5 characters. Ivanova's "Rita" the cat
> (does this mean Marcus is "Runt"?)... Londo and Vir are "Brain" and
> "Pinky", respectively... Who's "Slappy the Squirrel"?
If any of you read the General Hospital NG, then you know that they have
clubs surrounding the characters, and even around the businesses in the
show. (And I thought ST fans were radical.) Hey, maybe that's what
should be done for B5? Yes, I can see it now:
FB5C (Favorite B5 Character) Zathros
Keeper of the Wrong Tools
Christine
FGC Stefan Keeper of His Family's Agony
FGC Lois Keeper of Tearful Good-byes
jnf
Christine W. Meyer wrote:
>
> Amy Carpenter wrote:
> >
> > Timmins William Anthony writes:
> > >I always preferred Babyloniac (well there's Sheridan and Garibaldi and
> > >Delenn _is_ cuuuute)
> >
> > New Thread: cast "AniManiacs" as B-5 characters. Ivanova's "Rita" the cat
> > (does this mean Marcus is "Runt"?)... Londo and Vir are "Brain" and
> > "Pinky", respectively... Who's "Slappy the Squirrel"?
> > --AmyCat (who really shouldn't post on so little sleep...)
>
> If any of you read the General Hospital NG, then you know that they have
> clubs surrounding the characters, and even around the businesses in the
> show. (And I thought ST fans were radical.) Hey, maybe that's what
> should be done for B5? Yes, I can see it now:
>
fans......Babylon 5 fans= Fivers (5'ers). Short and succinct.
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In article <324D87...@axionet.com>, j...@axionet.com says...
>
>Like "tekkers" before, this is the dawning of the third age of sc-fi
>fans......Babylon 5 fans= Fivers (5'ers). Short and succinct.
It also shows solidarity with all those "Watership Down" fans out there.
Mary Jean Holmes
Xomal Neb
In article <52bu3b$a...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, s-o...@staff.uiuc.edu (orso
steven n) writes:
>Those of us who have been following the series as its episodes premiere
>(e.g., on PTEN syndication in the U.S., on C4 in the U.K.) are the
>First Ones.
>
>Those who only discover the series in later runs (e.g., stripped on TNT
>in the U.S. starting in 1998) will be the Younger Races.
>
>Of course, when the Younger Races finally discover the series, the First
>Ones will get to torment them as the story unfolds by making all sorts of
>cryptic comments about things to come . . . .
>
><whoosh> <warble> "You are not ready for clarification." <ding> <thud>
>
>
>
But what is the difference between the die-hards that have been following
the series since it began and the late-comers like myself? My theory is
that this makes the old fans the Shadows, with me and the other late
add-ins being the Vorlons.
Ben
mgj
Xomal Neb wrote in article <5300ke$3...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>...
> In article <52bu3b$a...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, s-o...@staff.uiuc.edu (orso
> steven n) writes:
>
> >Those of us who have been following the series as its episodes premiere
> >(e.g., on PTEN syndication in the U.S., on C4 in the U.K.) are the
> >First Ones.
> >
> >Those who only discover the series in later runs (e.g., stripped on TNT
> >in the U.S. starting in 1998) will be the Younger Races.
> >
>
> the series since it began and the late-comers like myself? My theory is
> that this makes the old fans the Shadows, with me and the other late
> add-ins being the Vorlons.
>
> Ben
I thought the Vorlons were The First Ones as well! Only IMHO, as someone
who has been watching from the very begining of course, and doesn't like
the idea of being a Shadow, although, thinking about it, the idea is kinda
growing on me. ;-)