And if that weren't enough, there's this book
http://cgi.ebay.com/SPACE-PATROL-Complete-Series-DVD-NEW_W0QQitemZ6478753009QQcategoryZ41589QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
by William Lashner with "...a femme fatale (improbably but appropriately) named
Alura Straczynski,..." and I've got to wonder who (if anyone) lost a bet?
The good news is that I've got a Pulphouse from 1992 with a JMS story in it on
the way.
Jan
I love Ebay...
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Check out my auctions of rare Babylon 5 script and collectibles at:
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfrppZ100QQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQrdZ0QQsassZjanmschroeder
New items added 1/23/06.
Actually, the second link is also to the DVD set.
Speaking of this... I swear I saw a book at work today with the same
title (in the lunch room, on the table). Weird...
t.k.
Oops.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8378010615&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1
is the one I meant.
Jan
I'd like to know that as well - but not enough to buy the DVD at £26.00.
But perhaps Joe can tell us, without compromising his DVD
commentary, if he watched Space Patrol on its first broadcasts, and if
so how well did it compare to the other programs he was watching then?
I recall Space Patrol as being inept and unconvincing in the puppetry
and miniatures areas, with a risible title sequence that looked almost
like a Victorian automaton: in any event, it was clearly a *toy*. It
became embarrassing to watch - perhaps I was too old for it at 11? I
still cringe at the launch sequence catchphrase "gamma rays on - yobba
rays on" which is what leaps to mind at the mention of Space Patrol.
It was playing against Gerry Anderson's Fireball XL5 and then Stingray,
which had better miniatures and puppetry, more excitement and simply
held my attention better.
Apparently it was sold to the US and shown under the title "Planet
Patrol" - does that ring any bells?
There are fan sites out there which will give you a taste of what it was
like. It seems that the DVD is the result of a set of original film
masters being found in the producer's (Roberta Leigh) garage.
http://homepages.tesco.net/~space.patrol/SpacePatrol/Home.htm
I came across the show at around that time, nine or ten, and it had
just an amazing impact on me, as primitive as it may be. I'd seen lots
of other kid's SF shows and serials where the aliens were just guys in
silver suits, and every planet had breathable air, and it was just a
goof...but in Planet Patrol, there were alien-aliens (granted, puppets,
but still...), they'd worked out the science of a revolving space
platform, other worlds had different kinds of atmospheres and
gravities...I would watch it with my jaw on the floor (which then
wasn't as long a fall).
For years afterward, I tried to find this show, and nobody had ever
heard of it, suggested perhaps I had a screw loose when I tried to
describe it. I didn't know the name, just the show. Then one day
online I came across this plan to re-release the episodes...and there
they were. So I contacted the folks behind it and asked if I could
purchase a copy for US region play, and they said yes, if I'd do a
commentary (this was during B5), so I gladly did so.
> And if that weren't enough, there's this book
> http://cgi.ebay.com/SPACE-PATROL-Complete-Series-DVD-NEW_W0QQitemZ6478753009QQcategoryZ41589QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
> by William Lashner with "...a femme fatale (improbably but appropriately) named
> Alura Straczynski,..." and I've got to wonder who (if anyone) lost a bet?
>
That's news to me.
> The good news is that I've got a Pulphouse from 1992 with a JMS story in it on
> the way.
>
> I love Ebay...
>
So do I. My accountant definitely does not.
jms
>
>Jan wrote:
>> So I'm wasting time at work today cruising around Ebay. Haven't looked for any
>> pre-B5 JMS items for a while so I do a seach for 'Straczynski'. And what to my
>> wondering eyes should appear but this
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/SPACE-PATROL-Complete-Series-DVD-NEW_W0QQitemZ6478753009QQcategoryZ41589QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>> ad for a DVD set for a 1963 puppetry show called Space Patrol that says it has
>> an interview with you on it. Considering that in 1963 you were around 9, how
>> did you end up doing an interview for the DVD set (and what did you say)?
>>
>
>I came across the show at around that time, nine or ten, and it had
>just an amazing impact on me, as primitive as it may be. I'd seen lots
>of other kid's SF shows and serials where the aliens were just guys in
>silver suits, and every planet had breathable air, and it was just a
>goof...but in Planet Patrol, there were alien-aliens (granted, puppets,
>but still...), they'd worked out the science of a revolving space
>platform, other worlds had different kinds of atmospheres and
>gravities...I would watch it with my jaw on the floor (which then
>wasn't as long a fall).
Was this the same production company that did the puppet show about
the deep sea crew with the mermaid? I think I used to watch both of
these when I was a kid. People remember the underwater show, but never
the space show...
-Wendy
> Was this the same production company that did the puppet show about
> the deep sea crew with the mermaid? I think I used to watch both of
> these when I was a kid. People remember the underwater show, but never
> the space show...
>
I don't think so, but I don't know so. Incidentally, part of the
problem in tracking this show was that it was only aired on a few
stations on the East Coast, one of them being in or around New Jersey
(I think it was channel 9 or 5).
jms
That explains why I'd never heard of it then, as I was in Chicago. I knew if
it'd been on there I'd've found it as I was already pretty hooked on space/SF
adventure even that young.
Got the Pulphouse magazine and the story in it was "Say Hello, Mister Quigley".
That is one *disturbing* story. Do I remember you saying that you'd originally
written that one for TV, JMS?
Jan
Oop! My bad! It was "Interstellar Patrol" at work. :)
t.k.
If I have the right show in mind, the deep sea crew puppet show is
likely the 60s British series " Stingray ", made by Gerry Anderson,
who made, prior to Stingray, " Supercar " and " Firerball XL-5 ",
and following Stingray, " Thunderbirds ", " Captain Scarlet ", and
" Joe 90 " ( Plus a very short lived " Secret Service " series ),
before going to live action with " UFO " and " Space 1999 ".
Space Patrol was, IIRC, made prior to the Anderson shows, and was
made in the US, not the UK.
The Anderson shows are all out on DVD ( I know, as I have 'em all,
as they were among my earliest SF media loves, and they do hold
up rather well ), and at a booksale warehouse place in PA that my
S/O and I were at, post Philcon, we saw several of the Anderson
DVD box sets for way cheaper than anyone else. Fireball, usually
$50-$60, was $25.
>>I don't think so, but I don't know so. Incidentally, part of the
>>problem in tracking this show was that it was only aired on a few
>>stations on the East Coast, one of them being in or around New Jersey
>>(I think it was channel 9 or 5).
>>
>>jms
>
> That explains why I'd never heard of it then, as I was in Chicago.
> I knew if it'd been on there I'd've found it as I was already pretty
> hooked on space/SF adventure even that young.
>
> Got the Pulphouse magazine and the story in it was "Say Hello, Mister
> Quigley". That is one *disturbing* story. Do I remember you saying
> that you'd originally written that one for TV, JMS?
Andre
> Jan (janmsc...@aol.com) writes:
>> In article <1138929026....@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
>> jms...@aol.com says...
>>>
>>> Wendy of NJ wrote:
>>>
>>>> Was this the same production company that did the puppet show about
>>>> the deep sea crew with the mermaid? I think I used to watch both of
>>>> these when I was a kid. People remember the underwater show, but never
>>>> the space show...
>
> If I have the right show in mind, the deep sea crew puppet show is
> likely the 60s British series " Stingray ", made by Gerry Anderson,
> who made, prior to Stingray, " Supercar " and " Firerball XL-5 ",
> and following Stingray, " Thunderbirds ", " Captain Scarlet ", and
> " Joe 90 " ( Plus a very short lived " Secret Service " series ),
> before going to live action with " UFO " and " Space 1999 ".
>
> Space Patrol was, IIRC, made prior to the Anderson shows, and was
> made in the US, not the UK.
>
> The Anderson shows are all out on DVD ( I know, as I have 'em all,
> as they were among my earliest SF media loves, and they do hold
> up rather well ), and at a booksale warehouse place in PA that my
> S/O and I were at, post Philcon, we saw several of the Anderson
> DVD box sets for way cheaper than anyone else. Fireball, usually
> $50-$60, was $25. <<
You saw those at the Atlantic Book Warehouse for that price??
Amy
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Thats te one on the east side of Rt. 309, between Stump Rd, adn DeKalb
Pike ? If so, yes.
We were there the Tuesday after Philcon, and a couple of weeks later,
when on a trip to see her Philly pals at X-Mas. They had loads of
XL-5 ( 5 DVDs ) for $24.99, not much less of Terrahawks, and IIRC, a few
Joe 90s. Plus, I think 3 or 4 of the 6 Thunderbirds 2 DVD sets, though
on this, the deal wasn't quite as nifty, as they were regularly $25,
on there for $14.99 each.
The only one that I didn't already own was Terrahawks, which we
picked up then.
I like good deals on DVDs and books. :-)
Andre
There's several of 'em, but I do know the one on Route 309 very well.
>> We were there the Tuesday after Philcon, and a couple of weeks later,
> when on a trip to see her Philly pals at X-Mas. They had loads of
> XL-5 ( 5 DVDs ) for $24.99, not much less of Terrahawks, and IIRC, a few
> Joe 90s. Plus, I think 3 or 4 of the 6 Thunderbirds 2 DVD sets, though
> on this, the deal wasn't quite as nifty, as they were regularly $25,
> on there for $14.99 each.
>
> The only one that I didn't already own was Terrahawks, which we
> picked up then.
>
> I like good deals on DVDs and books. :-) <<
Yeah, it's a sickness. A sweet, sweet sickness. My husband and I passed one
of their shore outlets on the way to a vacation, and we ended up taking a
carload of books along with us. So many books I wouldn't have been able to
buy even one large souvenir. :-)
As have we become,a s well. Also, back in the summer of '00, I spent
a good chunk of the summer on Long Beach Island, NJ, and there was
a bookstore of that chain a couple of blocks from the cottage I
stayed there in.
>>> We were there the Tuesday after Philcon, and a couple of weeks later,
>> when on a trip to see her Philly pals at X-Mas. They had loads of
>> XL-5 ( 5 DVDs ) for $24.99, not much less of Terrahawks, and IIRC, a few
>> Joe 90s. Plus, I think 3 or 4 of the 6 Thunderbirds 2 DVD sets, though
>> on this, the deal wasn't quite as nifty, as they were regularly $25,
>> on there for $14.99 each.
>>
>> The only one that I didn't already own was Terrahawks, which we
>> picked up then.
>>
>> I like good deals on DVDs and books. :-) <<
>
> Yeah, it's a sickness. A sweet, sweet sickness.
Quite. :-)
One side effect of this condition is the need for more and more bookshelves
from Ikea... I very much like their Billy 80 CM model, as it lets me place
three rows of hardcovers, side by side by side, all on their sides, such
that long term standing up page droop doesn't happen to them.
> My husband and I passed one
> of their shore outlets on the way to a vacation, and we ended up taking a
> carload of books along with us. So many books I wouldn't have been able
> to buy even one large souvenir. :-)
We're pretty " bad " that way, too. We've come back on trips with
multiple boxes of books. Mostly from places like Atlantic.
On our runs to/from FL, when we go to visit her folks there, we
do arrange to have the time to stop at the outlets malls at Smithfield,
NC, at Exits 95 & 97. Very bad. Very, very... bad. <g>
Andre
Well we didn't move out of NYC until 1965, so it was certainly in our
broadcast area.
No, that was almost certainly Stingray, one of the Gerry Anderson shows,
the most famous of which is Thunderbirds. I'm old enough to remember
Twizzle . . .
Roberta Leigh, who was a successful writer of "romantic fiction", wrote
and produced the earliest "Anderson" series (Twizzle, Torchy). What
happened next is best described in a quote from another fansite:
They made "The Adventures of Twizzle," and "Torchy the Battery Boy",
written by Leigh. Whilst Torchy was being made a split occurred
between Arthur Provis and Gerry Anderson and Arthur went off to film
another 26 episodes (using original puppets) whilst Gerry, John and
Reg started their own series of "Four Feather Falls". These three
series were filmed in rented accommodation at Islet House in
Maidenhead.
from http://www.whirligig-tv.co.uk/tv/children/gerrya/gerrya.htm
Space Patrol was made in black-and-white on a limited budget, and it
shows. There was a certain British feeling to the stories, with less
violence - perhaps working from a British police-drama model e.g. Dixon
of Dock Green rather than an American Wild West influence.
The most famous representative of this style is Dan Dare
http://www.dan-dare.net/Homepage.htm
created and drawn by Frank Hampson in the British weekly comic The
Eagle. However, the quality of the Hampson studio's writing and artwork
is far better than Space Patrol's, and I suspect they had a relatively
more comfortable budget. I remember Dan Dare with great fondness,
although I encountered him in a later incarnation, after Hampson had
relinquished direct control. He is almost certainly the reason I am an
SF fan.
Much more information about Gerry Anderson and his productions can e
found on the Fanderson site
http://www.fanderson.org.uk/fanderson.html
a list of the "Anderson" productions is here
http://www.fanderson.org.uk/prodguides/prodind.html
Many of them should be familiar...
Many more than that, Andre, see here on the Fanderson site -
http://www.fanderson.org.uk/prodguides/prodind.html
> Space Patrol was, IIRC, made prior to the Anderson shows, and was
> made in the US, not the UK.
>
Actually, Space Patrol was made at the same time as Fireball XL5 and
Stingray, in a church in Harlesden in North-West London. Roberta Leigh
had written and produced Twizzle and Torchy with Anderson before
splitting - he went on to Four Feather Falls, then Supercar, Fireball
XL5 etc, Roberta Leigh to write and produce something called Sara and
Hoppity, and then Space Patrol. All this most definitely took place in
the UK.
> Amy Guskin (ais...@fjordstone.com) writes:
>>
>> Yeah, it's a sickness. A sweet, sweet sickness.
>
> Quite. :-)
>
> One side effect of this condition is the need for more and more bookshelves
> from Ikea... I very much like their Billy 80 CM model, as it lets me place
> three rows of hardcovers, side by side by side, all on their sides, such
> that long term standing up page droop doesn't happen to them. <<
Yes, Billy and I are very well acquainted. <g> One advantage to having a
lot of books is that you never know when your walls need painting, because
you can't see them.
I may have to arrange to pick up this set, just to see if it looks familiar
to me. It's the right neck of the woods and the right time (we were all
watching WOR-9 and WNEW-5 in the NYC metro area back then), but I'm a little
younger than some of you folks. I was only two or three at that time - but
my father and older sister loved science fiction. so it's a fair bit _they_
were watching it, while toddler Amy was likely propped up in front of the set
with them. I'd be curious to see if I remember it instantly because it's so
firmly rooted in my subconscious from repeated, very young viewings.
You know that swirling feeling you get when you come across something - a
vintage toy, an old ad printed somewhere, etc. etc. - that you dimly remember
from childhood, but haven't seen in all the intervening years? It's almost
like the mental equivalent of a classic falling-down-a-time-tunnel shot from
an old tv show, or that classic image from Mel Brooks' "High Anxiety."
That's what I'm expecting from this.
I definitely remember the Gerry Anderson stuff, but that was airing when I
was old enough to know what I was watching.
Thats why I put in the IIRC. I had insufficient knowledge to be sure
that the Space Patrol show wasn't one of those, or a 50s US show.
Andre
They're an excellent shelf, and they work fab in the way that I described,
with books in short stacks on their sides. It helps that Ikea sells extra
shelves for the 60CM and 80 CM Billys.
Plus, if you have a Billy, and add two shelves, and space them out as
evenly as you can, you get a shelf with storage for eight levels of
DVDs. Thats quite useful to us, as well.
> One advantage to having a
> lot of books is that you never know when your walls need painting, because
> you can't see them.
More than one visitor has commented that my choice for wall insulation in
our basement den is books... :-)
Andre
Hey, I thought I was the only one who got that swirling feeling.
And I think I remember that show, being of hemicentennial antiquity
and from New York myself -- but only vaguely. Whereas I remember
telling my friends about Star Trek a year later (they didn't like the
first episode they saw, the one about the amusement planet, because
the antenna hovering in the foreground gave things away, and if I
remember correctly Roddenberry didn't like the antenna either -- he
was forced to add it by the network).
--
Josh
"Reade him, therefore; and againe, and againe: And if then you doe not like him,
surely you are in some manifest danger, not to understand him." - Heminge and Condell
> a list of the "Anderson" productions is here
>
> http://www.fanderson.org.uk/prodguides/prodind.html
>
I'd like to see this show in North America...
http://www.fanderson.org.uk/prodguides/prodind2.html#New%20Captain%20Scarlet
I read an interview about it before it came out. I hope someone brings
it over here (if it's on here, I haven't seen it yet).
t.k.
Thats the new CGI Scarlet, yes ? I've seen one episode that was screened
at MediaWestCon, last year, and it was pretty good. Less of a spooky
feel to the antagonists, but overall, similar in style to the 60s show.
It would be nice if the new one were to be available for DVD set purchase
in N. America...
Andre
While I'm waiting for the new thread to appear, this seemed like a good place to
hijack a thread to plug the auction I started today:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6602761319&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1
Most of you will remember JMS's garage sale last year. There were a lot of fans
disappointed that they couldn't afford the items auctioned. Now, thanks to a
big-hearted fan, you can have the next-best thing AND benefit Richard Biggs'
family.
Some of the most important pieces of B5 history are the concept paintings done
by Peter Ledger to help JMS and Doug Netter get the idea of the B5 Station
across to the network execs. Even with that 'Show and Tell', it was an uphill
battle. JMS auctioned off the interior painting last year for over $5,000.
Because he had commissioned the art, all rights to make prints were transferred
along with the ownership.
Jahkneebee, who was the winning bidder, has done something wonderful. He's had
a VERY limited number of high quality, full size giclee prints of the painting
made and I'm auctioning them to benefit Rick Biggs' family. ALL proceeds will
go to the family.
These prints have a retail value of $375.00 and the beginning bid for the first
two prints I've listed is only $75. Not only that, Jahkneebee is following
JMS's example and will ship the prints to the winning bidders, worldwide, for
only $5.00 each!!
This is a *beautiful* print! Check out:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6602761319&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1
and remember that every bit of the bid will go to Rick's family!! This auction
features two of the five-print run.
Jan
I don't keep any books in the basement any more. Not after a leak and
subsequent mildewing of some irreplaceable art books. :(
I've started keeping DVDs in large notebooks with CD/DVD sleeve page
inserts. I can store about 250 DVDs in a 4" 3-ring binder. So far,
I've filled 2 of them and I've got a media shelf for the series box
sets (they look the best on display like that). I keep the plastic
cases in the attic in case I ever want to divest myself of my DVD
collection at some point in the future.
Hey Josh! How are you? Long time no post...
-Wendy
Jan, is the person who is pointing in the photo wearing Hubert
Farnsworth's "Fing-longer"? It sure looks like it. :-D
http://www.dazfish.co.uk/b3ta/uploads/finglonger.jpg
-Wendy
LOL, sure looks like it, huh? From what I gather, it was a 'pull my finger'
joke played by one of the people who helped Jahkneebee in getting the prints
done.
As usual, it looks like B5 fans are proving to be the best!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6602761319&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1
Ah. Well, ours is pretty well insulated. So, thats not a problem, and,
if there were to be a leak, the books, being on bookshelves, would be
safe. The first casualty would be a carpet...
> I've started keeping DVDs in large notebooks with CD/DVD sleeve page
> inserts. I can store about 250 DVDs in a 4" 3-ring binder. So far,
> I've filled 2 of them and I've got a media shelf for the series box
> sets (they look the best on display like that). I keep the plastic
> cases in the attic in case I ever want to divest myself of my DVD
> collection at some point in the future.
Well, that works, too. We tend to prefer to keep the discs and cases
together, and, as you say, it does look nice that way. Just like
placing books on their shelves.
Andre
Yep. :)
> It would be nice if the new one were to be available for DVD set purchase
> in N. America...
Yeah, either have it air or even a DVD set here. I think R2 is getting
it on DVD but I haven't seen anything about us yet.
t.k.
Kewl.
>> It would be nice if the new one were to be available for DVD set purchase
>> in N. America...
>
> Yeah, either have it air or even a DVD set here. I think R2 is getting
> it on DVD but I haven't seen anything about us yet.
Agreed. But, with TV on DVD being *the* growth part of the DVD market,
it'll likely come out here. Sometime...
Andre
> The most famous representative of this style is Dan Dare
>
> http://www.dan-dare.net/Homepage.htm
>
> created and drawn by Frank Hampson in the British weekly comic The
> Eagle.
.... and on that site is the interesting factlet that there was a TV series
in 2002 of which I was completely unaware. Produced by Foundation Imaging,
no less.
Which brings us neatly right back to B5.
Bruce
In article <GWeEf.413143$2k.374752@pd7tw1no>, Thunder 06 says...
>Actually, the second link is also to the DVD set.
>
>Speaking of this... I swear I saw a book at work today with the same
>title (in the lunch room, on the table). Weird...
Jan wrote:
> Oops.
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8378010615&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1
> is the one I meant.
Eh, that appears to be some legal thriller called "Past Due".
There is a book, though, on Amazon:
The Proverbial Cat
http://www.cafepress.com/proverbialcat
Exactly what it was meant to be. My original post was about Space Patrol and
then asked about the book which has a character named Alura Straczynski.
>There is a book, though, on Amazon:
>
>http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0786419113/ref=pd_bbs_null_1/104-9696888-4265523?s=dvd&v=glance&n=130
>
>The Proverbial Cat
>http://www.cafepress.com/proverbialcat
Interesting. Looks like JMS wasn't the only one the show reached.
Jan
--
Very limited prints of Babylon 5 concept art to benefit the family of Richard
Biggs:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6602761319&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1
That's not the same show...in the UK the series was called Space
Patrol, but because in the US there was another show by that name, they
changed the name of the series to Planet Patrol for North America.
This link is to the other, non-puppet-based series.
jms
> On Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:21:24 +0000 (UTC), Amy Guskin
> <ais...@fjordstone.com> wrote:
>
>>>>On Fri, 3 Feb 2006 06:41:26 -0500, Wendy of NJ wrote
>>(in article <t6g6u1du32oo3jmd8...@4ax.com>):
>>
>>> On Fri, 3 Feb 2006 01:10:40 +0000 (UTC), jms...@aol.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Wendy of NJ wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Was this the same production company that did the puppet show
>>>>> about the deep sea crew with the mermaid? I think I used to watch
>>>>> both of these when I was a kid. People remember the underwater
>>>>> show, but never the space show...
>>>>
>>>> I don't think so, but I don't know so. Incidentally, part of the
>>>> problem in tracking this show was that it was only aired on a few
>>>> stations on the East Coast, one of them being in or around New
>>>> Jersey (I think it was channel 9 or 5).
>>>>
The first episode I ever saw was "Devil in the Dark", when I was 6. I
watched it with my dad, and was peppering him with questions. It was the
first time he'd watched Trek, so he couldn't answer most of them. I was
hooked instantly, and a SF fan was born. I didn't really know what
"science fiction" meant, but I knew I liked it.
--
Methuselah
"Just like the universe, as I get older, I expand and get cooler."
-- Joe Mancini
I cannot find that Jack Lord ever starred in any TV series but "Stoney
Burke" (a modern-day western) and "Hawaii 5-0".
The US "Space Patrol" starred Glen Denning, who was replaced early on by
Ed Kemmer, and Lyn Osborn.
--
John W. Kennedy
"But now is a new thing which is very old--
that the rich make themselves richer and not poorer,
which is the true Gospel, for the poor's sake."
-- Charles Williams. "Judgement at Chelmsford"
As far as SF fans go, which of us don't need more ? What we most need,
I'd bet, is more space into which we could place Billy shelves.
My den is now as stuffed as I think I can get it...
> D'oh!
> The only problem is that since i live in palm Springs now, I have to
> drive 90 miles to the nearest Ikea.
We're quite better off here. The Ottawa Ikea is about a 6 minute drive
from our residence.
> But for Billy it is worth it!
> ; )
Definitely. We've also done well with buying other folks' used Billys.
Once, I got a deal on two matching pieces, which were offered with the
two extra shelf pieces per unit that I needed, for less than I would
have paid for the two without the added shelves.
Once, in '99, I bought a used Billy that turned out to be from the
80s, when the standard width of the widest Billy was 90 CM, not the
80 CM it has been since the late 80s.
> Dave Chapple
Andre
The Space Patrol I remember was a US production. It started in Los
Angeles as a 15 minute local show in 1950. I remember it well. It was
later syndicated, which is when I started watching. I may still have
some of the trinkets associated with the show around somewhere.
Maybe there was a UK show called Space Patrol also? The US one had
characters called Buzz Corey and Cadet Happy.
Mike
> (dac...@worldnet.att.net) writes:
>> Wow! I'm glad so many people have become one with the Billy!
>> I have four of the tall ones and two of the medium 3-shelvers in my
>> living room! I need more now though!
>
> As far as SF fans go, which of us don't need more ? What we most need,
> I'd bet, is more space into which we could place Billy shelves.
>
> My den is now as stuffed as I think I can get it...
>
>> D'oh!
>> The only problem is that since i live in palm Springs now, I have to
>> drive 90 miles to the nearest Ikea.
>
> We're quite better off here. The Ottawa Ikea is about a 6 minute drive
> from our residence.<<
Do you folks all have the new-style Ikeas yet? Here in Philadelphia
(Conshohocken, actually), we had the first Ikea in the US (possibly North
America, but I couldn't swear to it), and so we got the first new US store
when they revamped their design. It's so great, I could live in it. :-)
What's different?
Blair
If they're just building it now, it'll be new style. It's just a different
layout, with a better flow in the marketplace (it isn't a closed-circuit
floorplan as it was previously), loading/entrance/exit all more conveniently
situated, and in the upstairs - the Ikea museum, as I like to call it - in
addition to the designed rooms, they've now got a series of "apartments."
These are entire self-contained units that each have a bedroom or two, a
kitchen, a living room, a dining room, an office, a bathroom. It's like you
walked into the catalog! One of the apartments in our store is specifically
designed to take advantage of small space (imagine a studio apt. in Tokyo),
others have different features - it's just a more vivid way of showing you
how the different pieces can be used. But what's funny is that you often see
groups of people just sitting around in the living room or bedroom of the
apartments, watching tv as they catch their breath from shopping - and it
sometimes looks rather like you've just walked into someone's home and caught
them relaxing!
In our case, our store got twice the square footage in the new location, and
better parking, too. Oh, and the home office department is hugely expanded.
In the old days, that was a neglected corner that had a desk or two.
My guess is that the Bay Area one is old-style, unless they recently did any
reconstruction. The new-style Phila. one has only been around about two
years. Although I guess it's possible that they redid all the US ones since
that time - they seem to make money hand over fist, so they could probably
afford to do them all in succession, or even at the same time. I just know
that there was a lot of publicity surrounding our redesign, and the fact that
it was the first US store.
I'm a big fan of Ikea - I especially like that when they started to carry
higher end stuff, they didn't scrimp on carrying the less expensive items.
And "As Is" is always my first stop! What must it be like for people who
can't call their furniture by name...? :-)
Well, we stopped in at that Ikea a couple of days after X-Mas. I wanted
to scope out their " As Is " room for any 40 CM Billy shelves, as they
don't make spare shelves for the 40 CM units, just the 60s and 80s.
Its larger than the Ottawa Ikea, which figures, we're not that big a
city here. Other than size, I can't say that I noticed a lot of difference.
The layout of the Ottawa store would make for a nifty extended residence,
too... :-)
My best count is that we have 14 Ikea shelves in this house, so far...
And, we do have some non Ikea shelves, too...
Andre
Completely buried under plaster and boxes! All I've had time for is
the occasional lurk.
But I'm f-ing off today -- just couldn't face the mess . . .
>Carved in mystic runes upon the very living rock, the last words of Josh
>Hill of rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated make plain:
>
>> Hey, I thought I was the only one who got that swirling feeling.
>>
>> And I think I remember that show, being of hemicentennial antiquity
>> and from New York myself -- but only vaguely. Whereas I remember
>> telling my friends about Star Trek a year later (they didn't like the
>> first episode they saw, the one about the amusement planet, because
>> the antenna hovering in the foreground gave things away, and if I
>> remember correctly Roddenberry didn't like the antenna either -- he
>> was forced to add it by the network).
>
>The first episode I ever saw was "Devil in the Dark", when I was 6. I
>watched it with my dad, and was peppering him with questions. It was the
>first time he'd watched Trek, so he couldn't answer most of them. I was
>hooked instantly, and a SF fan was born. I didn't really know what
>"science fiction" meant, but I knew I liked it.
Heh -- I guessed that the nodules were eggs, which made me
inordinately proud, given that I was maybe ten at the time, and that
the reception on our B&W TV was so bad that it was years before I
learned that Captain Kangaroo had had a moustache.
Both my father and I loved Trek, and in the years that followed,
science fiction was one of the things we shared. He, my Stepmother,
and I devoured and traded silver-age books as quickly as they came out
-- which must have been pretty amazingly often, given that I remember
times when, to the complete and utter detriment of my homework, I was
reading several a day.
Fast forward a few zillion years to a fortunately-timed visit, and Dad
and I were able to watch the first season of Jeremiah together. I know
it's silly, but in the back of my mind, I've always regretted that he
wasn't able to catch the final episode before he died.
> On Sun, 5 Feb 2006 12:44:10 +0000 (UTC), Methuselah Jones
> <methu...@altgeek.org> wrote:
>
>> Carved in mystic runes upon the very living rock, the last words of Josh
>> Hill of rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated make plain:
>>
>>> Hey, I thought I was the only one who got that swirling feeling.
>>>
>>> And I think I remember that show, being of hemicentennial antiquity
>>> and from New York myself -- but only vaguely. Whereas I remember
>>> telling my friends about Star Trek a year later (they didn't like the
>>> first episode they saw, the one about the amusement planet, because
>>> the antenna hovering in the foreground gave things away, and if I
>>> remember correctly Roddenberry didn't like the antenna either -- he
>>> was forced to add it by the network).
>>
>> The first episode I ever saw was "Devil in the Dark", when I was 6. I
>> watched it with my dad, and was peppering him with questions. It was the
>> first time he'd watched Trek, so he couldn't answer most of them. I was
>> hooked instantly, and a SF fan was born. I didn't really know what
>> "science fiction" meant, but I knew I liked it.
>
> Heh -- I guessed that the nodules were eggs, which made me
> inordinately proud, given that I was maybe ten at the time, and that
> the reception on our B&W TV was so bad that it was years before I
> learned that Captain Kangaroo had had a moustache. <<
<laughing myself silly>
I just _know_ there's a joke about Romper Room's Miss Louise in there, but
nagging childhood behavioral habits demand that I stay respectful of her!
>> Both my father and I loved Trek, and in the years that followed,
> science fiction was one of the things we shared. He, my Stepmother,
> and I devoured and traded silver-age books as quickly as they came out
> -- which must have been pretty amazingly often, given that I remember
> times when, to the complete and utter detriment of my homework, I was
> reading several a day.
>
> Fast forward a few zillion years to a fortunately-timed visit, and Dad
> and I were able to watch the first season of Jeremiah together. I know
> it's silly, but in the back of my mind, I've always regretted that he
> wasn't able to catch the final episode before he died.<<
I'm sorry to hear that, Josh. On the other hand, where he is, they probably
got a third season. :-)
I'm not as big a fan of Ikea furniture as you are, even though I do
have quite a lot of it in the house. I had bought bedroom bureaus; and
they were "top of the line" stuff (not exactly cheap ), but the
bottoms busted out of all the drawers if you put more than 4 pairs of
jeans in them. I finally had to break down and buy a real piece of
furniture with plywood drawers instead of composite for my bedroom.
And my Ikea bed started falling apart after 5 years. It's held
together now with spit and baling wire. (But to be fair, they don't
offer that bed anymore)
I do like their cheap shelving - it lines the walls of my basement,
and I've got a china closet that I've had for a very long time that's
held up very well, but some of their stuff is just not made to last.
It's cheapness is highlighted when compared to the really good
high-end Scandinavian style furniture I inhereted from my mom. I'll be
passing those pieces down to my kids or grandkids, I'm sure.
-Wendy, who is very demanding of her furniture.
>
> The Space Patrol I remember was a US production. It started in Los
> Angeles as a 15 minute local show in 1950. I remember it well. It was
> later syndicated, which is when I started watching. I may still have
> some of the trinkets associated with the show around somewhere.
>
> Maybe there was a UK show called Space Patrol also? The US one had
> characters called Buzz Corey and Cadet Happy.
>
The US Space Patrol predates the UK one, which was first shown in 1962.
When the UK show was broadcast in US it was renamed "Planet Patrol" to
avoid confusion.
> And my Ikea bed started falling apart after 5 years.
>
> [snip]
>
> -Wendy, who is very demanding of her furniture.
Hmmmmmm. <GDR>
--
Methuselah
"It is better to know some of the questions than all of the answers."
-- James Thurber
You must not have bought anything there for a couple of years - their current
'top of the line' standard is now _real_ wood furniture, not pressboard.
Amy (still disappointed that the "Poang" chair is no longer the "Poem" chair)
>>>On Sun, 5 Feb 2006 16:46:31 -0500, Josh Hill wrote
>(in article <gfrcu11qrlmhgcsms...@4ax.com>):
>> Heh -- I guessed that the nodules were eggs, which made me
>> inordinately proud, given that I was maybe ten at the time, and that
>> the reception on our B&W TV was so bad that it was years before I
>> learned that Captain Kangaroo had had a moustache. <<
>
><laughing myself silly>
>
>I just _know_ there's a joke about Romper Room's Miss Louise in there, but
>nagging childhood behavioral habits demand that I stay respectful of her!
Damn, haven't thought about Romber Room since I was -- well, romping .
.. .
>>> Both my father and I loved Trek, and in the years that followed,
>> science fiction was one of the things we shared. He, my Stepmother,
>> and I devoured and traded silver-age books as quickly as they came out
>> -- which must have been pretty amazingly often, given that I remember
>> times when, to the complete and utter detriment of my homework, I was
>> reading several a day.
>>
>> Fast forward a few zillion years to a fortunately-timed visit, and Dad
>> and I were able to watch the first season of Jeremiah together. I know
>> it's silly, but in the back of my mind, I've always regretted that he
>> wasn't able to catch the final episode before he died.<<
>
>I'm sorry to hear that, Josh. On the other hand, where he is, they probably
>got a third season. :-)
Heh -- I'll pass that on when I join him in atheist heaven. :-)
Charlie
> On Sun, 5 Feb 2006 22:33:16 +0000 (UTC), Amy Guskin
> <ais...@fjordstone.com> wrote:
>
>>>>On Sun, 5 Feb 2006 16:46:31 -0500, Josh Hill wrote
>>(in article <gfrcu11qrlmhgcsms...@4ax.com>):
>
>>> Heh -- I guessed that the nodules were eggs, which made me
>>> inordinately proud, given that I was maybe ten at the time, and that
>>> the reception on our B&W TV was so bad that it was years before I
>>> learned that Captain Kangaroo had had a moustache. <<
>>
>><laughing myself silly>
>>
>>I just _know_ there's a joke about Romper Room's Miss Louise in there,
>>but nagging childhood behavioral habits demand that I stay respectful
>>of her!
>
> Damn, haven't thought about Romber Room since I was -- well, romping .
> .. .
One of our local TV stations had a similar program called "Channel Three
Clubhouse". My brother and I got to be on it, when I was about five.
Someday when I'm rich and famous, someone is going to come up with that
footage, with me sitting there picking my nose on TV. :)
--
Methuselah
"You and I are told increasingly that we have to choose between a left or
right, but I would like to suggest that there is no such thing as a left
or right. There is only an up or down — up to a man's age-old dream; the
ultimate in individual freedom consistent with law and order — or down to
the ant heap totalitarianism; and regardless of their sincerity, their
humanitarian motives, those who would trade our freedom for security have
embarked on this downward course."
-- Ronald Reagan
>Carved in mystic runes upon the very living rock, the last words of Josh
>Hill of rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated make plain:
>
>> On Sun, 5 Feb 2006 22:33:16 +0000 (UTC), Amy Guskin
>> <ais...@fjordstone.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>On Sun, 5 Feb 2006 16:46:31 -0500, Josh Hill wrote
>>>(in article <gfrcu11qrlmhgcsms...@4ax.com>):
>>
>>>> Heh -- I guessed that the nodules were eggs, which made me
>>>> inordinately proud, given that I was maybe ten at the time, and that
>>>> the reception on our B&W TV was so bad that it was years before I
>>>> learned that Captain Kangaroo had had a moustache. <<
>>>
>>><laughing myself silly>
>>>
>>>I just _know_ there's a joke about Romper Room's Miss Louise in there,
>>>but nagging childhood behavioral habits demand that I stay respectful
>>>of her!
>>
>> Damn, haven't thought about Romber Room since I was -- well, romping .
>> .. .
>
>One of our local TV stations had a similar program called "Channel Three
>Clubhouse". My brother and I got to be on it, when I was about five.
>Someday when I'm rich and famous, someone is going to come up with that
>footage, with me sitting there picking my nose on TV. :)
Too bad we didn't have VCR's back then. I was interviewed at an
antiwar protest by a local TV station when I was 14 or so -- didn't
much care back then, but now I'd love to have the clip, which though I
imagine is long gone.
> Carved in mystic runes upon the very living rock, the last words of Josh
> Hill of rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated make plain:
>
>> On Sun, 5 Feb 2006 22:33:16 +0000 (UTC), Amy Guskin
>> <ais...@fjordstone.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> On Sun, 5 Feb 2006 16:46:31 -0500, Josh Hill wrote
>>> (in article <gfrcu11qrlmhgcsms...@4ax.com>):
>>
>>>> Heh -- I guessed that the nodules were eggs, which made me
>>>> inordinately proud, given that I was maybe ten at the time, and that
>>>> the reception on our B&W TV was so bad that it was years before I
>>>> learned that Captain Kangaroo had had a moustache. <<
>>>
>>> <laughing myself silly>
>>>
>>> I just _know_ there's a joke about Romper Room's Miss Louise in there,
>>> but nagging childhood behavioral habits demand that I stay respectful
>>> of her!
>>
>> Damn, haven't thought about Romber Room since I was -- well, romping .
>> .. .
>
> One of our local TV stations had a similar program called "Channel Three
> Clubhouse". My brother and I got to be on it, when I was about five.
> Someday when I'm rich and famous, someone is going to come up with that
> footage, with me sitting there picking my nose on TV. :) <<
Probably not. Most of those local programs taped over themselves every day -
tape was expensive! In fact, even the longest-running daytime dramas have
been known to appeal to the fans when they're looking for early footage,
because the networks taped over the programs every day in those early years.
>>> On Sun, 5 Feb 2006 19:34:03 -0500, Wendy of NJ wrote
>(in article <d06du1tc56lvfv537...@4ax.com>):
>
>> On Sun, 5 Feb 2006 19:20:38 +0000 (UTC), Amy Guskin
>> <ais...@fjordstone.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I'm a big fan of Ikea - I especially like that when they started to carry
>>> higher end stuff, they didn't scrimp on carrying the less expensive items.
>>> And "As Is" is always my first stop! What must it be like for people who
>>> can't call their furniture by name...? :-)
>>>
>>> Amy
>>
>> I'm not as big a fan of Ikea furniture as you are, even though I do
>> have quite a lot of it in the house. I had bought bedroom bureaus; and
>> they were "top of the line" stuff (not exactly cheap ), but the
>> bottoms busted out of all the drawers if you put more than 4 pairs of
>> jeans in them. I finally had to break down and buy a real piece of
>> furniture with plywood drawers instead of composite for my bedroom.
>>
>> And my Ikea bed started falling apart after 5 years. It's held
>> together now with spit and baling wire. (But to be fair, they don't
>> offer that bed anymore) <<
>
>You must not have bought anything there for a couple of years - their current
>'top of the line' standard is now _real_ wood furniture, not pressboard.
But it's softwoods still, isn't it? I have no need to get new
furniture, since I've acquired all my parent's "good stuff" from their
house (it's all Widdicomb furniture, built to last generations
http://www.johnwiddicomb.com/ for examples - the last time they bought
something from them was about 30 years ago, so they styles are
different). I go to Ikea at least once per year, but since the last
time I spent over 1000 dollars on furniture there and had it fall
apart after about a year or so, I'm never investing in that stuff with
them again.
Shelving, yes. More substantial stuff? I'm not so sure. It will take
a LOT of convincing for me to take a chance on that again.
-Wendy
Too bad you can't do that with film. I was in an "art movie" when I
was in college. If my brother ever runs for office, I'm sure that
certain footage will appear miraculously on some show or other. The
only thing saving me was that I was a minor (17) when the film was
shot, so I suppose the director could be brought up on charges at this
point...
-Wendy
:-)
Well, depending on exactly how "artistic" things got, the director
could still be on the right side of the law. Although the age of
*majority* was probably 18 in New Jersey (or wherever the thing was
shot), the age of *consent* could have been as low as 15. So the
footage might be perfectly legal. <g>
Regards,
Joe
Ron Thornton was definitely involved with the Dan Dare show. I tracked
down four episodes of it at one point. Ron was also part of the
recent CGI Captain Scarlett series as well.
Lee Whiteside
SFTV.org
jms...@aol.com wrote:
>>>There is a book, though, on Amazon:
>>>
>>>http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0786419113/ref=pd_bbs_null_1/104-9696888-4265523?s=dvd&v=glance&n=130
>
>
> That's not the same show...in the UK the series was called Space
> Patrol, but because in the US there was another show by that name, they
> changed the name of the series to Planet Patrol for North America.
> This link is to the other, non-puppet-based series.
>
> jms
>
>
If I could remember the name of the film, I'd have looked. I seriously
doubt that it's there... it was a student film and it was never
released anywhere beyond the film class. (I wouldn't mind owning a
print of it, myself.... I looked *good*!)
-Wendy