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jms...@aol.com

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Feb 15, 2009, 2:13:24 AM2/15/09
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Back from London, and gradually working my way out of jet-lag to catch
up with writing. As I'd anticipated, the BAFTA went to "In Bruges,"
and deservedly so. Overall, it was a great experience, and I'm
perfectly content with the resolution. One can't expect a home run in
one's first kick at the cat, as they say in places where apparently
cats are not terribly popular.

(And to a query upstream, yes, I have a theramin. No, I don't use it
to make strange noises in the middle of the night. I have a cat for
that.)

In other mews...I mean, news....

I'm on draft two of Forbidden Planet, and the process is going well,
very exciting stuff, and I hope I can talk about some of that in more
detail soonish.

About to make the final touches to World War Z, then with any luck we
can get this thing into pre-productoin also soonish.

Draft One of Lensman is in, now working on draft two.

There have been a couple of previews for Ninja Assassin, and the
audience scores have been just terrific. I have a suspicion that this
is going to do very well.

The pilot script for Last Words has gone in to Dreamworks, and they're
very very pleased with the script. So we'll see where this goes.

Interestingly, due to all the writing work, I've lately begun to be
offered directing gigs, most of it in the SF genre (natch). Nothing
has grabbed me enough yet to want to tackle it, but we'll see what the
future holds. A couple of studios have extended the offer for me to
write and direct my own stuff, which is pretty cool.

My agent has forbidden me to take on any other screenplay assignments
until March/April, but some projects have begun to circle Casa
Straczynski of late, looking for an open place to land when an opening
comes. Some very cool stuff on the horizon.

The interesting times continue.

jms


Ranger Elenopa

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Feb 15, 2009, 9:39:00 AM2/15/09
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I'm glad you had fun.

As I said elsewhere, sorry you didn't get it, but I did spot you about
four rows behind Goldie Hawn.

Ranger Elenopa

Jan

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Feb 15, 2009, 10:28:26 AM2/15/09
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In article <61c28d19-129c-4d9b...@h16g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>,
Ranger Elenopa says...

Alas, the shots I saw on the BBC America broadcast were barely long enough for
me to recognize Goldie Hawn, much less peer behind her to see JMS and there was
little in the way of red carpet coverage. Pity, too. I love seeing men in
tuxes.

Jan


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this singular truth: that we are one; and this singular rule: that
we must be kind to one another.

Vince M Hudd

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Feb 15, 2009, 1:29:02 PM2/15/09
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"jms...@aol.com" <jms...@aol.com> wrote:

[...]

> About to make the final touches to World War Z, then with any luck we can
> get this thing into pre-productoin also soonish.

I finally bought and read World War Z only a short while ago. Of all the
projects you've mentioned, *this* is the one I'm really looking forward to!

--
Vince M Hudd
Soft Rock Software

Wes Struebing

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Feb 15, 2009, 2:44:35 PM2/15/09
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On Sat, 14 Feb 2009 23:13:24 -0800 (PST), "jms...@aol.com"
<jms...@aol.com> wrote:

<neat shtuff snipped>
>
>The interesting times continue.
>
One hopes that they continue to do so!

(having a hard time thinking of someone who deserves his "overnight
success" more.)

Joe Chicago

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Feb 15, 2009, 4:12:55 PM2/15/09
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>
> (And to a query upstream, yes, I have a theramin.  No, I don't use it
> to make strange noises in the middle of the night.  I have a cat for
> that.)
>

>

That's "theremin." Unless it isn't . . .

Joe chicago

Stefan

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Feb 15, 2009, 5:06:06 PM2/15/09
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Forbidden Planet, WWZ, Lensmen, Ninja Assassin,
Last Words ...
All that stuff.
Just overwhelming!

As we know, Your close time scripts went always best.

<dream on>
Maybe in 2009 2nd quarter Your agent is allowing
You a tiny free slot for an Asimov-adaptation.
</dream off>

<gdr>
Stefan

--
Sinclair: "Stay close to the Vorlon. And watch out for shadows.
They move when you're not looking at them."

Joseph DeMartino

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Feb 15, 2009, 5:21:19 PM2/15/09
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On Feb 15, 4:12 pm, Joe Chicago <levdtrot...@mac.com> wrote:
> That's "theremin." Unless it isn't . . .

That's correct - at least according to www.theremin-world.com, and
you'd think they'd know if anyone would.

Which is good, because every time I see "theramin" in print, I think
of a cold remedy. <g>

Regards,

Joe

Amy Guskin

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Feb 15, 2009, 6:14:20 PM2/15/09
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>> On Sun, 15 Feb 2009 17:21:19 -0500, thus spake Joseph DeMartino (in article
<705460c8-46c2-4e3f...@a12g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>):

Are you tired, run-down, listless? Do you poop out at parties? Are you
unpopular? The answer to all your problems is in this little instrument.
Vitameatatheramin. Yes, Vitameatatheramin contains vitamins, meat,
vegetables, and strange tones. Yes, with Vitameatatheramin, you can tune your
way to health!

Amy ("Hey LOOOOsie!")
--
Ten Thousand Questions Blog:
A Question a Day for Journaling, Self-Discovery, and Transformation
"2009 is the Year of Questions"
tenthousandquestions.com

Dan Dassow

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Feb 15, 2009, 6:15:05 PM2/15/09
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On Feb 15, 4:21 pm, Joseph DeMartino <jdema...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> On Feb 15, 4:12 pm, Joe Chicago <levdtrot...@mac.com> wrote:
>
> > That's "theremin." Unless it isn't . . .
>
> That's correct - at least according towww.theremin-world.com, and

> you'd think they'd know if anyone would.
>
> Which is good, because every time I see "theramin" in print, I think
> of a cold remedy.  <g>
>

Whenever I see theremin or thereamin in print, I think of thiamine
(vitamin B1 and aneurine hydrochloride).

Dan Dassow

Dan Dassow

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Feb 15, 2009, 6:34:35 PM2/15/09
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On Feb 15, 1:13 am, "jmsa...@aol.com" <jmsa...@aol.com> wrote:
> Back from London, and gradually working my way out of jet-lag to catch
> up with writing.  As I'd anticipated, the BAFTA went to "In Bruges,"
> and deservedly so.  Overall, it was a great experience, and I'm
> perfectly content with the resolution.  One can't expect a home run in
> one's first kick at the cat, as they say in places where apparently
> cats are not terribly popular.

Joe, I am happy to see that your survived your trip to London. I was
disappointed not to seen any picture of you from the BAFTA awards.
Were you invited to the Academy Awards ceremony next Sunday February
22, 2009 or will you be watching the ceremony like most of us from
home?

<-- Great news deleted for brevity -->

>
> My agent has forbidden me to take on any other screenplay assignments
> until March/April, but some projects have begun to circle Casa
> Straczynski of late, looking for an open place to land when an opening
> comes.  Some very cool stuff on the horizon.
>

You agent is a wise person. Much as I would like you to do the
adaptation of Asimov’s Foundation series, a screenplay for Superman,
and many other projects, I would much rather have you remain in good
health.

> The interesting times continue.

May the interesting times continue in perpetuity.

>
> jms

Patty Winter

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Feb 15, 2009, 6:59:20 PM2/15/09
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In article <3c2f281d-6045-45a6...@p23g2000prp.googlegroups.com>,

jms...@aol.com <jms...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>(And to a query upstream, yes, I have a theramin. No, I don't use it
>to make strange noises in the middle of the night. I have a cat for
>that.)

You know, I keep seeing these news stories about research that
concludes that having a cat can relieve stress. I have to believe
that the research consisted of plopping a purring cat in someone's
lap for 20 minutes. Because I have lots of empirical evidence that
having one around 24 hours a day is NOT a stress reducer. :-)

Well, okay, the "purring in the lap" part of the 24 hours is
pretty relaxing...But the "jumping on top of the human at 4:00
in the morning" part, not so much. :-)


Patty


Jon Schild

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Feb 15, 2009, 8:30:33 PM2/15/09
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It is. The inventor's name was Russian (??????) pronounced like
TER-meen. When he went to France, he spelled it according to French
rules to get the same sound. The French spelling carried over into
English, only pronounced by English rules. So, what we use for his name
now is neither spelled nor pronounced the same as originally.

There is a great documentary about his life and the instrument available
on DVD (Netflix has it). It's called _Theremin: An Electronic Odyssey_.

--
Wanted dead and/or alive: Shroedinger's cat.


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John W. Kennedy

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Feb 15, 2009, 8:39:40 PM2/15/09
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On Feb 15, 8:30 pm, Jon Schild <j...@xmission.com> wrote:
> Joe Chicago wrote:
> >>(And to a query upstream, yes, I have a theramin.  No, I don't use it
> >>to make strange noises in the middle of the night.  I have a cat for
> >>that.)
>
> > That's "theremin." Unless it isn't . . .
>
> > Joe chicago
>
> It is. The inventor's name was Russian (??????) pronounced like
> TER-meen. When he went to France, he spelled it according to French
> rules to get the same sound. The French spelling carried over into
> English, only pronounced by English rules. So, what we use for his name
> now isneither spelled nor pronounced the same as originally.

Puts him in the same company with Jesus....

Amy Guskin

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Feb 15, 2009, 9:10:23 PM2/15/09
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>> On Sun, 15 Feb 2009 18:59:20 -0500, thus spake Patty Winter (in article
<4998ac58$0$1590$742e...@news.sonic.net>):

That's why they make doors. And before you say, "My cat would never stand
for being locked out of the bedroom at night," I think it's instructive to
understand it from the cat's perspective: our guys are _certain_ that they
are locking _us_ out of the _rest_ of the house each night. :-)

Amy

Amy Guskin

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Feb 15, 2009, 9:14:43 PM2/15/09
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>> On Sun, 15 Feb 2009 20:30:33 -0500, thus spake Jon Schild (in article
<gnac1r$ek1$1...@news.xmission.com>):

Blink.

Checking shelf....

Yep, I have it. Bought it used for about $3.99, never watched it. So it's
good? That's kind of neat -- I love shopping in my own house and finding
something new.

Blair Leatherwood

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Feb 15, 2009, 11:50:37 PM2/15/09
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Amy Guskin wrote:
>>>On Sun, 15 Feb 2009 18:59:20 -0500, thus spake Patty Winter (in article
>
> <4998ac58$0$1590$742e...@news.sonic.net>):
>
>
>>In article
>><3c2f281d-6045-45a6...@p23g2000prp.googlegroups.com>,
>>jms...@aol.com <jms...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>>(And to a query upstream, yes, I have a theramin. No, I don't use it
>>>to make strange noises in the middle of the night. I have a cat for
>>>that.)
>>
>>You know, I keep seeing these news stories about research that
>>concludes that having a cat can relieve stress. I have to believe
>>that the research consisted of plopping a purring cat in someone's
>>lap for 20 minutes. Because I have lots of empirical evidence that
>>having one around 24 hours a day is NOT a stress reducer. :-)
>>
>>Well, okay, the "purring in the lap" part of the 24 hours is
>>pretty relaxing...But the "jumping on top of the human at 4:00
>>in the morning" part, not so much. :-) <<
>
>
> That's why they make doors. And before you say, "My cat would never stand
> for being locked out of the bedroom at night," I think it's instructive to
> understand it from the cat's perspective: our guys are _certain_ that they
> are locking _us_ out of the _rest_ of the house each night. :-)
>
> Amy
Well, you could do that, but you'd be trading "jumping on top of the
human" for "pounding on the door"--at 4am. At least you can toss the
cat off the bed; if they pound on the door, then you're up and they win.

Blair

Blair

Matt Ion

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Feb 16, 2009, 1:49:09 AM2/16/09
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Amy Guskin wrote:
>>> On Sun, 15 Feb 2009 18:59:20 -0500, thus spake Patty Winter (in article
> <4998ac58$0$1590$742e...@news.sonic.net>):
>
>> In article
>> <3c2f281d-6045-45a6...@p23g2000prp.googlegroups.com>,
>> jms...@aol.com <jms...@aol.com> wrote:
>>> (And to a query upstream, yes, I have a theramin. No, I don't use it
>>> to make strange noises in the middle of the night. I have a cat for
>>> that.)

Certainly, if you're always kicking at it...

What does Buddy's agent have to say about all this cat-kicking anyway?

>> You know, I keep seeing these news stories about research that
>> concludes that having a cat can relieve stress. I have to believe
>> that the research consisted of plopping a purring cat in someone's
>> lap for 20 minutes. Because I have lots of empirical evidence that
>> having one around 24 hours a day is NOT a stress reducer. :-)

Unless you're kicking it!

>> Well, okay, the "purring in the lap" part of the 24 hours is
>> pretty relaxing...But the "jumping on top of the human at 4:00
>> in the morning" part, not so much. :-) <<

If you haven't seen it, this is a must-watch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0ffwDYo00Q

> That's why they make doors. And before you say, "My cat would never stand
> for being locked out of the bedroom at night," I think it's instructive to
> understand it from the cat's perspective: our guys are _certain_ that they
> are locking _us_ out of the _rest_ of the house each night. :-)

As they say... dogs have masters; cats have staff.

Hank Arnold (MVP)

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Feb 16, 2009, 4:39:33 AM2/16/09
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My thoughts, exactly. This was the first (and the best) zombie novel
I've read. Can't wait for it...... :-)

--

Regards,
Hank Arnold
Microsoft MVP
Windows Server - Directory Services

Amy Guskin

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>> On Sun, 15 Feb 2009 23:50:37 -0500, thus spake Blair Leatherwood (in article
<gnarcd$t76$1...@news.motzarella.org>):

We trained ours (mostly) out of that when they were young. They still do it
_very_ occasionally, but a few weeks of lasagna pans filled with water,
placed on aluminum foil, lined up in front of the outside of the bedroom door
at night did the trick.

Jon Schild

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Feb 16, 2009, 1:21:17 PM2/16/09
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I accidentally cured my cat of that behavior. One night years ago, I was
sleeping on my back and was in the middle of some dream, when a weight
landed on my chest and something made a loud noise. Half awake, I
grabbed the thing and tossed it across the room. Then I woke up a bit
farther to see my Vashti running out of my bedroom. She has never jumped
on me in bed again.

apar...@gmail.com

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Feb 16, 2009, 12:39:37 PM2/16/09
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Glad to see you're keeping busy. I sent you something in email --
Babylon 5, 'Ashes', I wanted you to look at, really just wanted your
'thoughts' more than anything. And any advice you can spare for
someone that wants to become a screenplay writer, specifically sci-fi
TV series.

From Texas,
- Ron


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apar...@gmail.com

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Feb 16, 2009, 12:55:22 PM2/16/09
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I wonder if there is anyway Leslie Nielsen could be in Forbidden
Planet ...

>From Texas,
- Ron

On Feb 15, 1:13 am, "jmsa...@aol.com" <jmsa...@aol.com> wrote:

Josh Hill

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Feb 16, 2009, 1:26:09 PM2/16/09
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On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 02:14:43 GMT, Amy Guskin <ais...@fjordstone.com>
wrote:

>Blink.
>
>Checking shelf....
>
>Yep, I have it. Bought it used for about $3.99, never watched it. So it's
>good? That's kind of neat -- I love shopping in my own house and finding
>something new.

Yeah, it's good. Theremin's story is fairly amazing. And Clara
Rockmore is always worth watching.

--
Josh

"What is it exactly that the V.P. does every day?" - Sarah Palin

Amy Guskin

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>> On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 12:39:37 -0500, thus spake apar...@gmail.com (in
article <e35ef5a2-7e66-404d...@j35g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>):

> Glad to see you're keeping busy. I sent you something in email --
> Babylon 5, 'Ashes', I wanted you to look at, really just wanted your
> 'thoughts' more than anything. And any advice you can spare for
> someone that wants to become a screenplay writer, specifically sci-fi
> TV series. <<

Ron, you might want to familiarize yourself with the JMS Email FAQ:

http://fjordstone.com/rastb5mod/emailfaq.html

He has asked quite emphatically that people NOT send him story ideas via
email, and has also said that "requests to read your scripts or stories will
be met by stony silence."

Joseph DeMartino

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Feb 16, 2009, 5:41:28 PM2/16/09
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On Feb 16, 12:39 pm, apart...@gmail.com wrote:
> Glad to see you're keeping busy.  I sent you something in email -- Babylon 5, 'Ashes', I wanted you to look at, really just wanted your 'thoughts' more than anything... <

Ron:

Amy has already pointed you to the JMS e-mail FAQ. You might also
want to review the rules for this newsgroup, which spell out in more
detail why JMS needs to avoid story ideas in public forums, including
this one, as well as in prviate e-mail. I know of at least two
instances where he was forced to stop even lurking on message boards
because fans did not respect this simple request. Understand that
anything you write the parallels something JMS is already working on
because even the chance of a lawsuit can scare off a studio or a
publisher.

> And any advice you can spare for someone that wants to become a screenplay writer, specifically sci-fi TV series. <

JMS has written an entire book just brimming with such advice. It has
become a standard text in many writing programs. "The Complete Book
of Scriptwriting" covers theatrical films, radio plays, animation,
stage plays and, yes, television.is available from Amazon.com among
other places. (I'm hoping that he'll find time to revise it again,
now that his industry profile is higher.)

You can find the paperback here:

http://tinyurl.com/bbro7s

And, of course, his entire 20+ year interaction with fans on the
internet has been one big graduate course in the business of writing -
for the big screen, the small screen, animated series and comic
books. Check out the archives at JMSNews.com for the bulk of what
he's written on-line in that span.

Regards,

Joe

Professor

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Feb 16, 2009, 5:56:35 PM2/16/09
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On Feb 15, 1:13 am, "jmsa...@aol.com" <jmsa...@aol.com> wrote:

> A couple of studios have extended the offer for me to
> write and direct my own stuff, which is pretty cool.

> jms

This is a good sign, especially for the B5 fans. If JMS is being
sought out to write and direct his own work, this means that his
street value is high. With a high street value, WB, owner of B5, will
need to look again at JMS for B5 projects. Note that Time Warner stock
(TWX) is trading today at 8.67 cents (US). This is down from a 52 week
high of 16.90 (~50%). I suspect that shareholders are looking for big
winning projects from TWX and given JMS' track record of producing
robust profits for the company, I would wager that they will seek him
out again for a B5 project or two in the near future. However, the
sticking point is that he has drawn a line in the sand and said no
more small budgets for B5 project. So the question is WB television,
and TWX, willing to float JMS a real budget for B5 with the
expectation that he can deliver a project that will pay handsom
dividends for the company.

David

jms...@aol.com

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Feb 16, 2009, 7:19:21 PM2/16/09
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> > jms- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Yes, I got it, and I deleted it instantly as soon as I realized what
it was without reading it. I've made it very clear in the past: DO
NOT send me story ideas for Babylon 5, let alone a whole freaking
series breakdown.

Don't. Do. It. Again.

jms

John W. Kennedy

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Feb 16, 2009, 11:42:05 PM2/16/09
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On Feb 16, 12:39 pm, apart...@gmail.com wrote:
> Glad to see you're keeping busy.  I sent you something in email --
> Babylon 5, 'Ashes', I wanted you to look at, really just wanted your
> 'thoughts' more than anything.  And any advice you can spare for
> someone that wants to become a screenplay writer, specifically sci-fi
> TV series.

A) Don't /ever/ send a story idea to JMS (or any other professional
writer). Do it once, and you're an ignorant newbie. Do it twice, and
you're a stalker.

B) Don't try to sell a TV series to anybody. Period. The only people
who get to do that are people who are already successful working TV
writer/producers. Otherwise, it just makes you look stupid when you
try.

B1) Possible exception: if you have lots of money, and can shoot your
own pilot, you're welcome to try. Be aware, however, that a one-hour
science-fiction production will cost you at least one million dollars
unless you're willing to cut corners. Even if you're willing to cut
every corner possible, plan on at least $50,000.

C) Don't try to sell /anything/ that belongs to someone else. "Babylon
5" belongs to Warner Brothers (our Joe has some minor rights here and
there, but it's basically WB's property), and they have lawyers who
eat people like you for mid-morning snacks.

D) If you want to be a TV writer, write. Are there amateur theatres
near you that run writing contests? Maybe even a professional one?
Perhaps a Renaissance Faire or two? Start writing. (And, by the way,
if you've never done any of these things, start doing them, so you
know how they're done. Act if you can, or be a stagehand or builder.
Get to know people, too; friends in strategic places are important.)
And write and write and write. Start with one-acts and move up. Don't
forget children's theatre, by the way. And what you write, submit.

E) Read Joe's book, which has already been recommended. I personally
also recommend "How Not to Write a Play" by Walter Kerr and, unless
you are repelled by Christianity, Dorothy L. Sayers' brilliant "The
Mind of the Maker".

F) And read other things. And if, by the way, you read nothing but
science fiction, stop that. People who read nothing but science
fiction grow up to be, if they become writers at all, third-rate
comicbook writers. Read Jane Austen and James Fenimore Cooper and
Alexandre Dumas, Sr., and Charles Dickens and Mark Twain and ... well,
the list is a long one.

No, I'm not a writer. But my wife had five scripts produced last year
in amateur venues, and she's having one produced in a professional
theater in New York this May. She's already written one play this year
(it's her first in blank verse), and started writing another this
afternoon.

Ron

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Feb 17, 2009, 2:06:56 AM2/17/09
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Well, I'm very sorry for the inconvenience. It was a breach of
protocol-- no I did not look at the FAQ. I put a lot of thought in to
that series breakdown, I simply wanted your thoughts. And I now I
have them. It was not meant as an Infringement on your creation. I'm
not interested in credits or money, I'm just a fan.

Again, my apologies. No offense was meant.

- Ron


Ron

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On Feb 16, 10:42 pm, "John W. Kennedy" <John.W.Kenn...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Feb 16, 12:39 pm, apart...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Glad to see you're keeping busy.  I sent you something in email --
> > Babylon 5, 'Ashes', I wanted you to look at, really just wanted your
> > 'thoughts' more than anything.  And any advice you can spare for
> > someone that wants to become a screenplay writer, specifically sci-fi
> > TV series.
>

No, I'm not repelled by Christianity. I am a Christian man, the Lord
saved me these last ten years ago.

- Ron


Ron

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Feb 17, 2009, 2:30:24 AM2/17/09
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LOL. Do you guys have anything else to talk about other than my faux
pas.

- Ron

On Feb 16, 10:42 pm, "John W. Kennedy" <John.W.Kenn...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Ron

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Feb 17, 2009, 2:57:57 AM2/17/09
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Well, I invested over a $100 in the Babylon 5 DVDs and became an
instant fan because I thought the storyline was good workmanship,
particularly when I became aware that JMS did the vast majority of the
writing. And I had intentions of buying the movies as well. At the
most I expected JMS to reply 'Interesting' ... at the worst I expected
him to say 'please don't email me scripts or stories'.

- Ron

On Feb 16, 12:47 pm, Amy Guskin <aisl...@fjordstone.com> wrote:
> >> On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 12:39:37 -0500, thus spake apart...@gmail.com (in
>
> article <e35ef5a2-7e66-404d-a24d-750d129f7...@j35g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>):

Amy Guskin

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>> On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 02:06:56 -0500, thus spake Ron (in article
<c6427ea6-17b8-4898...@x38g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>):

>
> Well, I'm very sorry for the inconvenience. It was a breach of
> protocol-- no I did not look at the FAQ. I put a lot of thought in to
> that series breakdown, I simply wanted your thoughts. And I now I
> have them. It was not meant as an Infringement on your creation. I'm
> not interested in credits or money, I'm just a fan. <<

Ron, you have to understand: this isn't simply a matter of whether or not you
say you want money. If you send a story to Joe and he has the bad luck to
read it (fortunately he didn't in this case), and it contains an idea he is
working on already, he will have to shelve that idea. Or if it contains an
idea he was _thinking_ of working on, he will have to shelve that idea.
Anything you send him that you think is a good idea -- if he had seen it --
would never, ever, ever, ever see the light of day in an actual B5 production
(whether tv or film). Why? Because WB cannot risk a lawsuit. And if your
idea that JMS could have seen (which he didn't) got into their production,
you or your lawyers might just decide to sue them, whether you say you will
or not in a posting here -- and what you say here isn't very binding, so he
can't take that as a legal contract.

Incidentally, if you read the thing you agreed to before you started posting
to this newsgroup, you'll know that you've agreed not to post story ideas
here, either.

Amy Guskin

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Feb 17, 2009, 7:40:59 AM2/17/09
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>> On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 02:30:24 -0500, thus spake Ron (in article
<153d9808-9d1d-4527...@o36g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>):

> LOL. Do you guys have anything else to talk about other than my faux
> pas.<<

Wow, nice attitude. Several people here have tried to help you by offering
good advice, and explaining _why_ it was such a faux pas, and making sure
that you don't unknowingly skewer any B5 projects down the line, and that's
your reply? Sheesh..

Amy Guskin

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Feb 17, 2009, 7:43:21 AM2/17/09
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>> On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 02:57:57 -0500, thus spake Ron (in article
<023d0f2e-c7cb-4c25...@x10g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>):

> Well, I invested over a $100 in the Babylon 5 DVDs and became an
> instant fan because I thought the storyline was good workmanship,
> particularly when I became aware that JMS did the vast majority of the
> writing. And I had intentions of buying the movies as well. At the
> most I expected JMS to reply 'Interesting' ... at the worst I expected
> him to say 'please don't email me scripts or stories'. <<

You know, several _million_ people invested that much -- or more, speaking as
someone who bought each of the sets the day they were released, at
considerably more than $20 a pop -- but that doesn't give you any proprietary
interest in the property. We're all just fans. We love it, but we don't own
it. And I do hear a bit of that entitlement in your reply.

And, this is an example of why it's good to manage one's expectations.

Jan

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Feb 17, 2009, 8:24:08 AM2/17/09
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In article <153d9808-9d1d-4527...@o36g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
Ron says...

>
>LOL. Do you guys have anything else to talk about other than my faux
>pas.
>
>- Ron
>

You've gotten some good advice in these posts. While it's natural to be
embarrassed about your mistake, you might want to read them in the spirit
they're given and that's to give you info on much of what JMS has imparted about
writing over the years both in his book and his posts.

Jan


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Feb 17, 2009, 8:58:11 AM2/17/09
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"Ron" <apar...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:153d9808-9d1d-4527...@o36g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...

>LOL. Do you guys have anything else to talk about other than my faux
>pas.

You wanted advice and JMS's attention. You got it.
Point A was a reply to your ignorant mistake. Using the wrong fork would be
a faux pas.
B-F is very good advice about how to go about achieving your dream. At least
from what I can tell.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passing_Through_Gethsemane
This episode was originally developed for the show's second season but had
to be "scuttled" because a fan posted a story idea on GEnie that was very
similar to the plot of the episode. Legal steps had to be taken to clear the
situation up before the story could be put back into the production
pipeline.

Dennis


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Matt Ion

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Feb 17, 2009, 10:05:20 AM2/17/09
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Ron wrote:
> LOL. Do you guys have anything else to talk about other than my faux
> pas.

Well, we DO have plenty of speculating to do on the nature of JMS's
other various projects... and the nature of Zathras and Ivanova's TRUE
relationship... and why Starfuries look like big ugly water skeeters...

But you've provided an interesting distraction from the usual banter, so
expect people to jump on it :)

Patty Winter

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Feb 17, 2009, 11:42:34 AM2/17/09
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In article <88ba9$499ac286$4c499b29$20...@KNOLOGY.NET>,

Dennis \(Icarus\) <ala_di...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passing_Through_Gethsemane
>This episode was originally developed for the show's second season but had
>to be "scuttled" because a fan posted a story idea on GEnie that was very
>similar to the plot of the episode. Legal steps had to be taken to clear the
>situation up before the story could be put back into the production
>pipeline.

Wow, I never knew that. I'm REALLY glad that situation got cleared
up, because PtG is one of my very favorite B5 episodes. How scary
to think that it might never have aired. I'm sure glad that Joe went
to the trouble of clearing up the rights so he could make the episode.


Patty


Jan

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Feb 17, 2009, 12:10:20 PM2/17/09
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In article <499ae8fa$0$1633$742e...@news.sonic.net>, Patty Winter says...

There were no rights for JMS to get since, as I understand it, ideas aren't
copyrightable. Even so, the fan could have tried to haul JMS/WB into court so
he set the story aside until positions could be clarified with the fan who
inadvertently posted the idea.

JMS wrote a very informative post about story ideas here:
http://jmsnews.com/msg.aspx?id=1-5509

Ron

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Feb 17, 2009, 12:26:00 PM2/17/09
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Ya. Apparently I stirred up a hornet's nest. In anycase, that was
never the intention (laying stones). I wasn't aware that Zathras and
Ivanova had a relationship.

But speaking of that-- whatever happened to Draal?

- Ron

Ron

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Feb 17, 2009, 12:31:27 PM2/17/09
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Probably an issue with intellectual rights. It's an interesting
position-- a series creator makes something, but then the legal system
comes along an can apparently decide his idea is the result of someone
else's work. When it's clearly not the case.

Madness.

- Ron


On Feb 17, 11:10 am, Jan <janmschroe...@aol.com> wrote:
> In article <499ae8fa$0$1633$742ec...@news.sonic.net>, Patty Winter says..

David Williams

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Feb 17, 2009, 5:45:51 PM2/17/09
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"Ron" <apar...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:b3121b51-874c-4596...@a12g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...

- Ron


Not to pile on, but as long as you're getting raked over the coals...
Top-posting generally frowned upon here as well.

Regards,
David W.


lizardgirl

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Feb 17, 2009, 6:31:55 PM2/17/09
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On Feb 17, 12:30 am, Ron <apart...@gmail.com> wrote:
> LOL.  Do you guys have anything else to talk about other than my faux
> pas.
>

sure. do you floss?

lg

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Feb 17, 2009, 7:20:24 PM2/17/09
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On Feb 17, 5:31 pm, lizardgirl <gab...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Feb 17, 12:30 am, Ron <apart...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > LOL.  Do you guys have anything else to talk about other than my faux
> > pas.
>
> sure.  do you floss?
>
> lg

We could mention that the Changeling DVD was released today!

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Amy Guskin

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Feb 17, 2009, 8:07:31 PM2/17/09
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>> On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 12:31:27 -0500, thus spake Ron (in article
<c0403b81-cb42-48f2...@l16g2000yqo.googlegroups.com>):

> Probably an issue with intellectual rights. It's an interesting
> position-- a series creator makes something, but then the legal system
> comes along an can apparently decide his idea is the result of someone
> else's work. When it's clearly not the case. <<

The legal system can't just come along and "apparently decide" that about
someone's intellectual property. JMS didn't just have WB steal away his
rights. He entered into a contract with them to produce and write a tv show,
and they paid a lot of money to make it happen.

You don't have to sign a contract with anyone -- or any corporation -- you
don't want to. But you might someday feel that it's worth it to do so. As
JMS did.

Dennis (Icarus)

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Feb 17, 2009, 8:42:25 PM2/17/09