shadow war ending early
John Nuechterlein
i noticed a message or two about the shadow war, in particular, whether or not it
would last the whole arc. in a private message (since i'm not on an on-line
service and hadn't seen a discussion of it in an open forum) i asked jms if the
shadow war would last the whole arc, and he answered, in his usual long drawn out
response :), no, the shadow war, at most will last only until the middle of the
4th season. i cleared it with him, it's okay for me to repeat this. but it makes
you wonder; up until now, the whole series has depended on the shadows: what do
they want, will they win, how will we defeat them, etc.? given that they will (i
assume) be defeated, it is interesting to think about what the main thrust of the
show is if it is not the shadows. the vorlons? the minbari? the narn? needless
to say, i am continually amazed at the inventiveness of the show; i await to see
where he will go.
John Nuechterlein
Kgc...@ix.netcom.com
Jeff O'Donnell
What comes to mind is that a war is over when one side wins. Are we all
falling into the trap of assuming that the forces of light will win? If not,
it would change the entire show yet again, and easily supply material to fill
the last season and a half.
Jeff
In article <318D9D...@ix.netcom.com>,
adh...@mail.utexas.edu
> >show is if it is not the shadows. the vorlons? the minbari? the narn?
> needless
> >to say, i am continually amazed at the inventiveness of the show; i await to
> see
> >where he will go.
> >
> >John Nuechterlein
> >Kgc...@ix.netcom.com
I think the mistake here is saying that the focus of the show is on
non-humans. The show is probably about the events leading up to and after
the coming of the thrid age. This would make sense seeing how the show
begins well before anyone knew the shadows were remoblizing, and sense it
ends well after the end of the shadow war, this makes sense. I don't
think having the shadows win is an option unless the third age is
humankind forever in the service of the shadows...
Just my thoughts
Stephen D. Schaper
Yes, it may be that Joe is running the same old tired atheist script of
Man against the gods. So far, he has shown much more promise than simply
doing a five-year-long version of a Star Trek episode.
--
Impeach President Clark!
--Brought to you by the Committee for a Free Mars.
Frederick Pagniello
In article <318D9D...@ix.netcom.com>
John Nuechterlein <Kgc...@ix.netcom.com> writes:
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>i noticed a message or two about the shadow war, in particular, whether or not it
>would last the whole arc. in a private message (since i'm not on an on-line
>service and hadn't seen a discussion of it in an open forum) i asked jms if the
>shadow war would last the whole arc, and he answered, in his usual long drawn out
>response :), no, the shadow war, at most will last only until the middle of the
>4th season. i cleared it with him, it's okay for me to repeat this. but it makes
>you wonder; up until now, the whole series has depended on the shadows: what do
>they want, will they win, how will we defeat them, etc.? given that they will (i
>assume) be defeated, it is interesting to think about what the main thrust of the
>to say, i am continually amazed at the inventiveness of the show; i await to see
>where he will go.
>
>John Nuechterlein
>Kgc...@ix.netcom.com
trusted? Just waht does that little worm have up his sleave, anyway? He's
the poker player with 20 aces hidden on his personage.
bwa...@utkvx.utcc.utk.edu
I guess a little spoiler protection...
>Hey, what about the Psi-corps? Does anyone _really_ think that Bester can be
>trusted? Just waht does that little worm have up his sleave, anyway? He's
>the poker player with 20 aces hidden on his personage.
Well.. Ivonava said to Sheridan, "You KNOW we'll have to deal with him after
the Shadow War." (poorly paraphrased) I think that might be a subtle hint
from JMS what's going to happen after the War :)
Peter Stewart
bwa...@utkvx.utcc.utk.edu wrote:
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Bester would be the least of their problems when the Shadow War ends. You want
more problems to tackle? Pick one or more of the following:
1) Earth's fascist regime still in power.
2) Wars against the Centauri in retaliation for their part in the whole mess
3) Internal strife in the Minbari government
4) The First Ones: If they do help us, will we be able to get them to leave?
5) Resentment against the Vorlons if word of the past manipulation of the
younger races gets out.
Plenty of fodder for the remainder of the series, I'd say :)
Pete
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Quadimodo
In article <4n5dml$7...@athos.cc.bellcore.com>, ste...@bae.bellcore.com
(Peter Stewart) wrote:
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[>: Well.. Ivonava said to Sheridan, "You KNOW we'll have to deal with
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[>: the Shadow War." (poorly paraphrased) I think that might be a subtle hint
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[> younger races gets out.
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[>Pete
I disagree. The matters you bring up though important ones, are compared
to the Shadow wars nothing more than mopping up procedures. I don't know
what IS going to happen when the Shadow wars are over, but you can be sure
that it's something we have yet to speculate about.
Quadimodo
--
A stupid man never learns from his mistakes.
A smart man always learns from his mistakes.
A wise man learns from other peoples mistakes.
ROY-Laurent Castellucci
On Mon, 13 May 1996, Quadimodo wrote:
> In article <4n5dml$7...@athos.cc.bellcore.com>, ste...@bae.bellcore.com
> (Peter Stewart) wrote:
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> [> 2) Wars against the Centauri in retaliation for their part in the whole mess
> [> 3) Internal strife in the Minbari government
> [> 4) The First Ones: If they do help us, will we be able to get them to leave?
> [> 5) Resentment against the Vorlons if word of the past manipulation of the
> [> younger races gets out.
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> I disagree. The matters you bring up though important ones, are compared
> to the Shadow wars nothing more than mopping up procedures. I don't know
> what IS going to happen when the Shadow wars are over, but you can be sure
> that it's something we have yet to speculate about.
>
> Quadimodo
Don't forget that mopping up procedures are HUGE! Why do you
think there has to be a bigger and better baddie? This show has done
wonders with the complexity of the small scale as well as the grand. I
think any one of those is every bit as important as the Shadow war to B5
and the Third Age of Mankind, even if it isn't as big cosmically as the
shadow War.
LC
Michael A. Rogers
quad...@servtech.com (Quadimodo) wrote:
>In article <4n5dml$7...@athos.cc.bellcore.com>, ste...@bae.bellcore.com
>(Peter Stewart) wrote:
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>[>: Well.. Ivonava said to Sheridan, "You KNOW we'll have to deal with
>him after
>[>: the Shadow War." (poorly paraphrased) I think that might be a subtle hint
>[>: from JMS what's going to happen after the War :)
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>[>Bester would be the least of their problems when the Shadow War ends. You want
>[>more problems to tackle? Pick one or more of the following:
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>I disagree. The matters you bring up though important ones, are compared
>to the Shadow wars nothing more than mopping up procedures. I don't know
>what IS going to happen when the Shadow wars are over, but you can be sure
>that it's something we have yet to speculate about.
You know, after Sheridan's "Hell, my own government wants me dead"
line, I don't think anyone of the human crew at B5 would ever consider
removing Clark a mop-up operation. After all, after the Shadow threat
is removed, what motivation does any of the other races have in
hleping our group? The Minabri are relative isolationists, the Narn
and Centauri will have each other, the League of Nonaligned Worlds
will be just that, and the Vorlon will be just as mysterious and
hidden as ever.
Sheridan won in SD with outside help... where will the help come from
when the motivation (ie Shadows) is gone?
Jerome Chan
Just before the Shadow Forces crash the alliance forces, they surrendered. :P