ATTN JMS: I think you answered your own question
Carl N. Hoff
First, I think you answered your own question about why the people of
Palm Beach
weren't told how many votes were thrown out in 1996 until now. NOBODY
knew
about it until now. I'll assume the votes were counted by computer and
thrown out
by a computer as well. Do we have any reason to believe that any human
knew what
this figure was until now?
Second, according to what I gathered from listing to CNN last night.
The 2000 ballot
was a whole new design and doesn't reflect what the ballot looked like
in 1996. They
did show a 2000 ballot and I don't recall anyone showing what the 1996
ballot looked
like, so I have no personal knowledge of this. Also the 14000 to 15000
figure that
you are throwing around, was pointed out by two separate democrats as
the number
released by the republicans. Both of them insisted the the actual
number was "about
half that number". So I might question does anyone, even today, know
how many
votes were thrown out in Palm Beach is 1996? I sure don't.
Later,
Carl
P.S. Below are your two relevant posts......
Subject: Re: ATTN JMS: Opinion on Bush's Win?
Date: 9 Nov 2000 21:58:37 -0700
From: jms...@aol.com (Jms at B5)
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>According to some other people on this thread they had 14000-15000
thrown
>out votes just like this in 1996, so given the increased turnout this
year,
>it may NOT be out of line for this county.
1) Why did they not tell the people of Palm Beach this in 1996 since
it's
aberration for the *state* but not for this *county*?
2) WHY were 15,000 thrown out in 1996 in this one county, WHAT makes
this so
different from every other county, and WHY did they keep this to
themselves
until *right now*? If you lived in a county and knew that every big
election
15-19,000 of your votes wouldn't count, wouldn't YOU want something done
to
bring the system THERE into sync with the rest of the state?
jms
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Subject: Re: ATTN JMS: Opinion on Bush's Win?
Date: 10 Nov 2000 00:11:39 -0700
From: jms...@aol.com (Jms at B5)
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>: However, this same county has done this in the past, and the votes
were not
>: counted then either. Why start now? Just to get Gore elected. When
do
>you
>: break the rules, and when don't you?
>
>Because then it didn't affect the outcome.
>
Not to mention that nobody KNEW about it until now.
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>Palm Beach
>weren't told how many votes were thrown out in 1996 until now. NOBODY
>knew
>about it until now.
Not logical. If nobody knew about it -- NOBODY -- then how could they find out
about it now? Somebody had to have those figures for them to be cited. Who
was asked? Who wrote them down? Somebody knew.
Paul McElligott
Clinton carried Florida that year so the democrats wouldn't bother.
Those votes were probably democratic, so it wouldn't do the republicans
any good.
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Before you buy.
j...@gte.net
people. New York still uses voting machines and most of the people they
contacted had never before seen a punchcard ballot. They handed random
people on the street the ballot and told them "Vote for Gore." EVERY
SINGLE SOUL GOT IT RIGHT!
I do not believe it is evidence of a sinister right-wing conspiracy if some
people are too stupid or in too much of a hurry to read a ballot. Besides,
how does it happen that only Gore supporters were confused? I haven't
heard a single peep out of a Bush supporter that anyone on that side had
complained. Each candidate, or each possible answer to a ballot question,
has a very clear dark arrowhead pointing to the row of holes. All it takes
is punch the hole next to the arrowhead. HOW HARD CAN THAT BE?? What do
the people in Palm Beach need, a personal interpreter to read them the
ballot and punch the holes for them? Can anyone really be so technically
inept that he can't push a pin into a hole?
And as for the horrible practice of throwing out votes that are double
punched -- THAT IS THE NORMAL PRACTICE ALL OVER THE COUNTRY AND ALWAYS HAS
BEEN!! If you mark more than one candidate when it says "VOTE FOR ONE"
then that counts as no vote at all in that race. It isn't something Jeb
Bush just made up to try to swing the election. It has been that was ever
since people have been voting.
SHEESH! Get Real!
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TNW7Z
>The "unfairly confusing ballots were taken to New York City by >some CNN
people. New York still uses voting machines and most >of the people they
contacted had never before seen a punchcard >ballot. They handed random people
on the street the ballot and >told them "Vote for Gore." EVERY SINGLE SOUL GOT
IT RIGHT!
Unless they showed the ballot in it's plastic holder, with the card in it,
fastened to a table, it wouldn't look at all the way it did to the Florida
voters. Have you ever voted with punch cards? MA and NH have banned them
because they cause so many problems.
>I do not believe it is evidence of a sinister right-wing conspiracy if some
people are too stupid or in too much of a hurry to read a ballot. Besides, how
does it happen that only Gore supporters were confused? I haven't
>heard a single peep out of a Bush supporter that anyone on that side had
complained.
Bush's name was alone at the top. There was no way to make an error if you
were voting for him.
Most people don't think it's a conspiracy. It's stupidity on the part of the
Florida officials who continued to allow punch card voting with a butterfly
ballot after evidence of major problems in the past.
The question is whether the voters should be penalized for that.
TNW
frank_m...@mindspring.com
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>Florida officials who continued to allow punch card voting with a butterfly
>ballot after evidence of major problems in the past.
>
>The question is whether the voters should be penalized for that.
>
>TNW
Are you speaking of the voters who elected those officials, or who
elected others who appointed these officials?
Frank McKenney, McKenney Associates
Richmond, Virginia / (804) 320-4887
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