What did Yoda mean?
Sean Milstead
different terms than others do. Just because the rebels won at the end
of part II of the Journal of the Whills, doesn't mean that the Empire and
the Dark Side of the Force won't prevail in episode IX. You see, Luke
isn't IMO fit to usher in the new age of the Jedi and he will be seduced
by the dark side or unable to keep one of his star pupils (possibly
Anakin?) from being seduced, causing the end of all hope as the evil Jedi
does what the Emporer could not and destroys the Jedi. Just a thought.
It's not likely though cause Lucas would never let the bad guys win.
Maybe Yoda and the Emporer just saw a possible future that just didn't
happen.
Sean Milstead
Jonathan S Small
>In ESB, Luke saw Han & Leia in pain and all that, So yoda says, "If you
>leave now, help them you could, but you would destroy all for which they
>have fought and suffered." But what exactly were they fighting for, and
>how did Luke screw it up?
I think that I has to do with Luke becoming a Jedi Knight. Yoda thought
that Luke would never get to complete his training if he left then. He
could have been killed by Vader (or joined him). The rebellion needed a
Jedi to defeat the Empire in ROTJ, and Luke was to only possibility. On
the other hand, Yoda knew that "there is another."
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Jon Small
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Emperor Palpatine, "Return of the Jedi"
"Why doesn't anyone listen to me?"
C3P0, "The Empire Strikes Back"
Wedge90440
& Leia as great heroes then their deaths would make them huge martyrs. If
that would have happened then maybe the rebellion would have become
fanatical, if their princess was murdered.Other worlds would have come to
the aid and the Empire would have been crushed. By saving them it could
have turned out much different, although it did not. Thank gods for the
Ewoks.
Keith Rose
> In ESB, Luke saw Han & Leia in pain and all that, So yoda says, "If you
> leave now, help them you could, but you would destroy all for which they
> have fought and suffered." But what exactly were they fighting for, and
> how did Luke screw it up?
Well, it would appear that Luke managed not to screw it up. But as a surface
answer, Yoda was warning that if Luke confronted Vader before he was ready,
there would be a good chance that he would be swayed to the Dark Side. This
would be a terrible, potentially devastating blow to the Rebellion. Hence
he would, or might, 'destroy all that for which they have fought and suffered'.
KR
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Leif Eriksson
>In ESB, Luke saw Han & Leia in pain and all that, So yoda says, "If you
>leave now, help them you could, but you would destroy all for which they
>have fought and suffered." But what exactly were they fighting for, and
>how did Luke screw it up?
My guess is that Yoda meant that Leia and Han suffered because Vader wanted
Luke, and because they didn't cooperate. They could have said "OK! We'll
radio Luke and you kill us nice and quick." So they suffered to keep Vader
from Luke. If Luke went there and was captured bu Vader, all their suffering
would have been in vain. As we all know, Luke wasn't captured, so you
could say that he nearly screwed up, but not entirely.
Leif Eriksson, the One and Only
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Endless Nameless
>In ESB, Luke saw Han & Leia in pain and all that, So yoda says, "If you
>leave now, help them you could, but you would destroy all for which they
>have fought and suffered." But what exactly were they fighting for, and
>how did Luke screw it up?
Um, the end of the Empire? I think there was a casual reference to that
somewhere in one of the movies. Took me a few hundred viewings to
figure it out though.
<sarcasm off>
1. Vader and the Emperor wanted Luke turned.
2. "This is a dangerous time for Luke" to paraphrase Obi-Wan. There
was a possiblility that Luke would turn to the Dark Side if he confronted
Vader before he finished his training. Yoda and Obi-Wan didn't want
him to risk it.
3. If Luke turned, the Rebels would be history. Another Dark Jedi,
and one who knows quite a bit about the Rebel Alliance, including where
the fleet was hiding.
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(Endless Nameless) wrote:
> In article <3ibrmp$1...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, Tharrod <tha...@aol.com>
wrote:
> >In ESB, Luke saw Han & Leia in pain and all that, So yoda says, "If you
> >leave now, help them you could, but you would destroy all for which they
> >have fought and suffered." But what exactly were they fighting for, and
> >how did Luke screw it up?
(sarcasm and obvious points deleted)
> 2. "This is a dangerous time for Luke" to paraphrase Obi-Wan. There
> was a possiblility that Luke would turn to the Dark Side if he confronted
> Vader before he finished his training. Yoda and Obi-Wan didn't want
> him to risk it.
>
> 3. If Luke turned, the Rebels would be history.
Ah - but that still doesn't address how Luke would have been able at all
to *"help them"* - as Yoda says he could. Does Yoda mean only in the
short term? i.e. He would end their immediate suffering, but in the long
run he'd be doing more harm than good...?
-Rick
Scott C. Silvers
: In ESB, Luke saw Han & Leia in pain and all that, So yoda says, "If you
: leave now, help them you could, but you would destroy all for which they
: have fought and suffered." But what exactly were they fighting for, and
: how did Luke screw it up?
Yoda meant that Luke was not prepared to confront Vader, and that he ran
the risk of being drawn to the Dark Side of the Force. If that had
happened the Rebellion would have been easily crushed, because Luke would
more powerful in the Force than the Emperor and Vader.
-Scott
The Amazing Dali
Yoda believes that if Luke goes, he will destroy everything they have
fought for...Since Luke is in a delicate postion as far as his Jedi
training goes, Yoda is afraid that between the Emporer and Vader, Luke
will either be turned or killed. If Luke is the galaxy's last hope
(although Yoda knows "there is another...") his subtraction from the
Rebellion WOULD ruin everything they had fought for. While the deaths of
Solo and Leia would either be extremely detrimental to morale, or as
someone stated earlier, raise them into martyr status, Luke is ultimately
the key to the demise of the Empire. Therefore, Yoda considered it in
Luke's (and the galaxy's) best interests to stay behind and complete his
Jedi training in spite of his freinds' suffering.
This is what I always thought Yoda meant...like I said, just my opinion,
but give me some of your feedback, good or bad!
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General Kev Benobi
: >In ESB, Luke saw Han & Leia in pain and all that, So yoda says, "If you
: >leave now, help them you could, but you would destroy all for which they
: >have fought and suffered." But what exactly were they fighting for, and
: >how did Luke screw it up?
Yoda was lying. A tool he taught Ben Kenobi to use extensively.
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: In article <3iguau$p...@charnel.ecst.CSUChico.EDU>, je...@ecst.csuchico.edu
: (Endless Nameless) wrote:
Maybe the screenwriters just goofed? It does sound really cool as is. . .
a choice between immediate gratification and long-term reward, couched in
high terms, and it's only one line.
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