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BNB...@psuvm.psu.edu

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Oct 6, 1992, 1:35:03 PM10/6/92
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I read an article in the march 1992 issue of Cinematastique entitled
'Where's Star Wars 4'. It told of how Lucas approached Joe Johnson and asked
him to direct the next movie. Mr. Johnson insisted he get to do all three in
sequence at the same time to cut costs. Lucas agreed and preproduction was
started. But all of a sudden, Lucas told everyone to go home and the project
was aborted. Lucas was quoted as saying,"I'm bored with Star Wars I want to do
something new." The article got nasty afterwards, commenting on Lucas' penny
pinching style of business. It concluded by saying the closest we'll get to
another movie is to read the Zahn novels and Dark Horse comics.
I was heartbroken to find all this out, I pray its not true.

Brandon.

Julie Lim

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Oct 6, 1992, 9:33:04 PM10/6/92
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> Lucas was quoted as saying,"I'm bored with Star Wars I want to do
>something new." The article got nasty afterwards, commenting on Lucas' penny
>pinching style of business. It concluded by saying the closest we'll get to
>another movie is to read the Zahn novels and Dark Horse comics.
> I was heartbroken to find all this out, I pray its not true.


SHRIEK!!

Oh, *man*, Lucas *can't* do this. Can he? Oh please oh please oh
please....

(creaking sounds as I pull myself back together) He couldn't. Not
with all the SW publicity he's churning out-- books, RPG stuff, "X-Wing,"
and so forth.

But if he really is never going to do another SW movie again (much
teeth-gritting-- damn, there goes another filling), I'll have the small
consolation that I'll be able to write whatever I want without fear of
contradiction. Vader was... uh... the Emperor's son-in-law, yeah, and...
let's see...

No. Damn. I can't keep this up. If May 25, 1997, goes by without the
release of a new SW movie, I will read all of my SW stuff one last time, then
hold a little bonfire.

Damn. Damn. Damn.


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Oct 7, 1992, 1:52:40 AM10/7/92
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I read this article too! ( Although, I have to admit that I was too cheap
to buy the magazine, so I read it in Comic Swap. ) I also picked up on
the "nasty", defeatist attitude toward the end of the article where it said
that stuff about Zahn being the closest we'll get to new Star Wars stuff.
And then, over the summer and especially lately, I read all this stuff
on the net that made it sound as if the new movies were definitely going
to happen, at least by '97. But now that I think about it, this magazine
article was the only word I've seen in PRINT; all this "horse's mouth"/
"official word" stuff on the net has been just that: ON THE NET. Which
means I have an unshakable distrust of its validity. My question is this:
is there anything out there that contradicts the aforementioned magazine
article or follows up on it in a positive light? Or is Lucas' telling
everyone to go home a big smoke screen?

David Pipgras

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Oct 7, 1992, 3:30:44 AM10/7/92
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In <92280.133...@psuvm.psu.edu> BNB...@psuvm.psu.edu writes:


*ANYTHING* you read in Cinemafastique you should take with a pinch of Salt,
or actually, a salt lick....

Cinemafastique has a nasty habbit of pasting together random comments and
quotes taken way out of context and formign them into what appears to be an
interview....This is the major reason that almost nobody, at least in the
profession, ever takes them seriously, any why even more will not grant
*REAL* interviews to them....

In my opinion, ignor what they say, and wait for the official word from the
LucasFilm Fan Club.....

Dave
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Russell Cleaver

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Oct 7, 1992, 10:36:28 AM10/7/92
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l...@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Julie Lim) writes:
> In article <92280.133...@psuvm.psu.edu> <BNB...@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>
> >Lucas was quoted as saying, "I'm bored with Star Wars I want to do
> >something new."
> >It concluded by saying the closest we'll get to another movie
> >is to read the Zahn novels and Dark Horse comics.
>
> Oh, *man*, Lucas *can't* do this. Can he?
> He couldn't. Not with all the SW publicity he's churning out--
> books, RPG stuff, "X-Wing," and so forth.

Like everyone else, IMHO, I hope "All These New Developments" are
indeed pointing to Something Big in the future.

But (if I may play devil's advocate for a moment):
I suppose if Lucas *wanted* to create a new wave of
SW marketing/merchandising, just for the heck of it, he could.
He doesn't necessarily *have* to follow-up this new publicity with a
new movie; he could simply be reaping further profits from the work
he's already done!
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CHRIS MICH GEORGOULIAS

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Oct 7, 1992, 9:34:04 AM10/7/92
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Brandon's stuff about Cinemastique and "no more movies" deleted

>In article <92281.015...@psuvm.psu.edu>, <DCC...@psuvm.psu.edu> says:

In a nutshell: he read the mag also, and doesn't like "heresay" over the
net. He wants more printed proof.
___________________

Well, a few months back I posted the article that appeared in Parade ,the weekly
magazine included in many Sunday papers. They said that Lucas WILL make the
prequels to his movies (i.e. the first three). I have the article at my
apartment and it's pretty short so I can repost for those of you who doubt my
synopsis.

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George Francis McBay

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Oct 7, 1992, 7:40:45 AM10/7/92
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> I read an article in the march 1992 issue of Cinematastique entitled
>'Where's Star Wars 4'. It told of how Lucas approached Joe Johnson and asked
>him to direct the next movie. Mr. Johnson insisted he get to do all three in
>sequence at the same time to cut costs. Lucas agreed and preproduction was
>started. But all of a sudden, Lucas told everyone to go home and the project
>was aborted.

This is a false leak in order to make the surprise all the greater, of
course. There are new Star Wars films being made and I am beginning to think
they are in full production or (close to) post-production by now. I've read
all the arguments about how it would be impossible to keep such a thing a
secret, but I still have this big hunch that Star Wars 1-3 will be coming
to a "theater near you" a hell of a lot sooner than you think.

Someone once mentioned that Last Command (Timothy Zahn's 3rd Star Wars novel)
would be coming out in June or July. Is this true? If so, why? The others
all came out in May, classic Star Wars month. Another person mentioned that
we might be seeing the book and the first movie coming out simultanously.
Maybe Lucas is planning a release sometime in June/July rather than the
expected May. The movie scene is a bit different than it was even in the
early 80s, and most expected box-off smashes (of which any Star Wars movie
is guaranteeed) is usually targeted for early-Summer rather than late-spring.

Brian Richard Boisvert

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Oct 7, 1992, 11:57:40 AM10/7/92
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In article <1992Oct7.1...@ncsu.edu> cmg...@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRIS MICH GEORGOULIAS) writes:
>
>|>In article <92280.133...@psuvm.psu.edu>, <BNB...@psuvm.psu.edu> says:
>
> Brandon's stuff about Cinemastique and "no more movies" deleted
>
>>In article <92281.015...@psuvm.psu.edu>, <DCC...@psuvm.psu.edu> says:
>
> In a nutshell: he read the mag also, and doesn't like "heresay" over the
> net. He wants more printed proof.
>___________________
>
>Well, a few months back I posted the article that appeared in Parade ,the weekly
>magazine included in many Sunday papers. They said that Lucas WILL make the
>prequels to his movies (i.e. the first three). I have the article at my
>apartment and it's pretty short so I can repost for those of you who doubt my
>synopsis.
>
>-Chris

Also, Lucas HIMSELF was on Good Morning America this spring (the day
before Young Indy premired). When asked if there were going to be more Star
Wars movies he said "yes, sure." He was a little skimpy on the specifics, but
he basically said that the stories all already written in his head and he just
has to find the time to sit down and make the movies. He implied that he would
start doing this after he was through with Young Indy (which I assume means
production should begin in about 2-3 years, which makes May '97 a promising
release date). So, anyway, millions of people saw Lucas say that there would
be more movies, so I doubt that magazine's story.

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Sean McCarthy

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Oct 7, 1992, 1:53:57 PM10/7/92
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I think it would be prudent to point out that any article saying "Star
Wars 4" is seriously out of it in the first place, since 4 was the
first movie made. Just a comment on the knowledge of the source.

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Glenn A. Mclain

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Oct 7, 1992, 3:06:50 PM10/7/92
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In article <Bvr9w...@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> cle...@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Russell Cleaver) writes:
>l...@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Julie Lim) writes:
>> In article <92280.133...@psuvm.psu.edu> <BNB...@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>>
>> >Lucas was quoted as saying, "I'm bored with Star Wars I want to do
>> >something new."
>> >It concluded by saying the closest we'll get to another movie
>> >is to read the Zahn novels and Dark Horse comics.
>>
>> Oh, *man*, Lucas *can't* do this. Can he?
>> He couldn't. Not with all the SW publicity he's churning out--
>> books, RPG stuff, "X-Wing," and so forth.

>But (if I may play devil's advocate for a moment):


>I suppose if Lucas *wanted* to create a new wave of
>SW marketing/merchandising, just for the heck of it, he could.
>He doesn't necessarily *have* to follow-up this new publicity with a
>new movie; he could simply be reaping further profits from the work
>he's already done!

Perhaps he is getting a "feel" of how well received a movie would be
from the public, by generating a little stir?

Glenn..........

Paul Klinker

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Oct 9, 1992, 5:52:20 PM10/9/92
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I remember reading in U.S. News and World Report (the issue came out some
time in mid 1991) that Lucas was waiting for computer graphics technololgy
to improve before he made the new movies. The article this was written in
was about computer graphics in movies and it showed a lot of scenes from
"The Abyss". The part on Star Wars was a small blurb, so take it for
what it's worth.

Paul

john woolsey 9209 U

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Oct 10, 1992, 1:31:59 PM10/10/92
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I remember hearing somewhere that Lucas said he would film movie VII when
he was completed with the young indiana jones series. So if it went well it
would be quite a while. Since the young indianna jones series seems to have
flopped miserably I guess we will be hearing Star Wars soon.

I also watched a showing of all three movies in 1990, where the movie club
who was showing them claimed that they would be coming out with a new movie
in 1994. I have no idea if either of these claims are truely valid.

Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim)

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Oct 10, 1992, 2:31:14 PM10/10/92
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In article <mumble> wool...@mach1.wlu.ca (john woolsey 9209 U) writes:

>I remember hearing somewhere that Lucas said he would film movie VII when

^^^

Just to be picky, that should be movie I, since the next movie should
be the start of the first trilogy.

>he was completed with the young indiana jones series. So if it went well it
>would be quite a while. Since the young indianna jones series seems to have
>flopped miserably I guess we will be hearing Star Wars soon.

Young Indiana Jones did not flop, its apparently doing quite well.
ABC bought a bunch of new episodes for this season so Lucas is going
to be busy for at least a little while longer with the show.

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Dave Lister

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Oct 10, 1992, 4:46:22 PM10/10/92
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In article <1992Oct10....@zia.aoc.nrao.edu> jo...@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim)) writes:
>In article <mumble> wool...@mach1.wlu.ca (john woolsey 9209 U) writes:
>
>>I remember hearing somewhere that Lucas said he would film movie VII when
> ^^^
>
>Just to be picky, that should be movie I, since the next movie should
>be the start of the first trilogy.
>

Why, what makes you the authority of which trilogy Lucas will do next if
he even does one at all? Personally I see absolutely no point to the
first trilogy even being put onto the screen.

Dave Lister
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The Rink

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Oct 12, 1992, 9:19:45 AM10/12/92
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>>>I remember hearing somewhere that Lucas said he would film movie VII when
>> ^^^
>>Just to be picky, that should be movie I, since the next movie should
>>be the start of the first trilogy.
>
>Why, what makes you the authority of which trilogy Lucas will do next if
>he even does one at all? Personally I see absolutely no point to the
>first trilogy even being put onto the screen.

AAUGH!! Sorry. I see *every* point in putting the first trilogy to the
screen. In fact, I'd rather see the first trilogy put to the screen than the
last. Entertainment doesn't always depend on not knowing what is going to
happen -- heck, in Shakespeare's day, everybody already *knew* the stories --
they wanted to see how it would be done. So do I with the first trilogy.
And I bet there is a lot of agreement with me from others out there on this
one. It would be *SO* cool to see the first three movies, and witness first
hand (as opposed to a poor second) the clone wars, the fall of the republic,
and Anakin's transformation to the legendary Darth Vader....


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Oct 12, 1992, 10:02:59 AM10/12/92
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In a previous article, pj...@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Dave Lister) says:

>In article <1992Oct10....@zia.aoc.nrao.edu> jo...@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim)) writes:

>>In article <mumble> wool...@mach1.wlu.ca (john woolsey 9209 U) writes:
>>
>>>I remember hearing somewhere that Lucas said he would film movie VII when
>> ^^^
>>
>>Just to be picky, that should be movie I, since the next movie should
>>be the start of the first trilogy.
>>
>

>Why, what makes you the authority of which trilogy Lucas will do next if
>he even does one at all? Personally I see absolutely no point to the
>first trilogy even being put onto the screen.

Um, this is a pretty well established fact, here. Has been for about
ten years. He's not being snotty, just trying to eliminate confusion.


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john woolsey 9209 U

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In article <1992Oct12.1...@newshost.unh.edu> s...@kepler.unh.edu (The Rink) writes:
>>>>I remember hearing somewhere that Lucas said he would film movie VII when
>>> ^^^
>>>Just to be picky, that should be movie I, since the next movie should
>>>be the start of the first trilogy.
>>
>>Why, what makes you the authority of which trilogy Lucas will do next if
>>he even does one at all? Personally I see absolutely no point to the
>>first trilogy even being put onto the screen.
>
>AAUGH!! Sorry. I see *every* point in putting the first trilogy to the
>screen. In fact, I'd rather see the first trilogy put to the screen than the
>last. Entertainment doesn't always depend on not knowing what is going to
>happen -- heck, in Shakespeare's day, everybody already *knew* the stories --
>they wanted to see how it would be done. So do I with the first trilogy.
>And I bet there is a lot of agreement with me from others out there on this
>one. It would be *SO* cool to see the first three movies, and witness first
>hand (as opposed to a poor second) the clone wars, the fall of the republic,
>and Anakin's transformation to the legendary Darth Vader....
>
>
I agree the first trilogy will be fun, but I doubt they will do it up front
since the third trilogy is far more sellable. I see the first trilogy as
more likely to be contracted out at a later date. Probably from Lucas's
estate once he bites it.

Bill McGonigle

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In article <Bw336...@mach1.wlu.ca> wool...@mach1.wlu.ca (john woolsey 9209 U) writes:
>>>Why, what makes you the authority of which trilogy Lucas will do next if
>>>he even does one at all? Personally I see absolutely no point to the
>>>first trilogy even being put onto the screen.
>>
>I agree the first trilogy will be fun, but I doubt they will do it up front
>since the third trilogy is far more sellable. I see the first trilogy as
>more likely to be contracted out at a later date. Probably from Lucas's
>estate once he bites it.

Actually, about two years ago, Lucasfilm announced that when they did the
next movies, it would be the first trilogy. I remember hearing about it
on the morning newscast. It made me quite happy.

For those skeptics out there, who need everything documented, I was
listening to WHTZ, 100.3, out of New York City that morning.

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Max Sterling

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In article <pzj...@lynx.unm.edu>, pkli...@apollo.mcl.bdm.com (Paul Klinker) writes:

> I remember reading in U.S. News and World Report (the issue came out some
> time in mid 1991) that Lucas was waiting for computer graphics technololgy
> to improve before he made the new movies. The article this was written in
> was about computer graphics in movies and it showed a lot of scenes from
> "The Abyss". The part on Star Wars was a small blurb, so take it for
> what it's worth.

Well, in THAT case, he doesn't have to wait any longer. All he has to do
is come on down and buy a Silicon Graphics workstation, which is the
same system that they used for the special effects in Terminator 2.
They're getting so ridiculously AFFORDABLE now, that the low end system
is about to enter the home computer market. It's got 30 bit colour
capability on screen, with an extra 10 bits used for layering effects,
it can draw 300,000 polygons/second, and thanks to the fact that it has
commands for ray tracing BUILT RIGHT INTO THE HARDWARE, it can do full
screen ray tracing on the fly IN REAL TIME, and it's able to process at
about 100,000 TIMES the speed of a Mac QUADRA! After seeing it (and the
Mac Quadra) in action, I can believe it. Supposedly, it runs at 100
times the speed of a Mac Quadra, and it can process 1000 instructions
SIMILTANEOUSLY, ALL WITH 1 PROCESSOR! It's also upgradeable to EIGHT.
The base system also comes with 20 MEGS of RAM, and a 1 GIGABYTE hard
drive. All that can be had for $8,300 CANADIAN. So, do you think that'll
be good enough? :-) Mata ne.

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alum...@camins.camosun.bc.ca (Max Sterling) writes:

>In article <pzj...@lynx.unm.edu>, pkli...@apollo.mcl.bdm.com (Paul Klinker) writes:
>> I remember reading in U.S. News and World Report (the issue came out some
>> time in mid 1991) that Lucas was waiting for computer graphics technololgy
>> to improve before he made the new movies. The article this was written in

>Well, in THAT case, he doesn't have to wait any longer. All he has to do

>is come on down and buy a Silicon Graphics workstation, which is the
>same system that they used for the special effects in Terminator 2.

Well, since ILM has plenty of them, he already has!

>They're getting so ridiculously AFFORDABLE now, that the low end system
>is about to enter the home computer market. It's got 30 bit colour
>capability on screen, with an extra 10 bits used for layering effects,
>it can draw 300,000 polygons/second, and thanks to the fact that it has

The top of the line model can do these things, but those are still in the
$200,000 range, last time I heard.

>commands for ray tracing BUILT RIGHT INTO THE HARDWARE, it can do full
>screen ray tracing on the fly IN REAL TIME, and it's able to process at

This is not true. The SGI machines do some nice stuff, but not real-time
raytracing. Some of the things they do in hardware are: Gouraud shading
with multiple light sources, texturing, and NURBS, but not bump mapping,
displacement mapping, or ray tracing.

>about 100,000 TIMES the speed of a Mac QUADRA! After seeing it (and the
>Mac Quadra) in action, I can believe it. Supposedly, it runs at 100
>times the speed of a Mac Quadra, and it can process 1000 instructions
>SIMILTANEOUSLY, ALL WITH 1 PROCESSOR! It's also upgradeable to EIGHT.

This is also incorrect. For hardware-assisted graphics instructions, a
Crimson MIGHT be somewhere on that order of magnitude faster than a Quadra,
but probably closer to only 10-100x for non-hardware assisted stuff (like
bump-mapping, displacement-mapping, and raytracing!). And 1000 simultaneous
instructions on one processor? I'd love to see that! I think what you're
referring to is the fact that graphics instructions are pipelined, which means
that several different graphics instructions can be at various stages of ex-
ecution at one time. I doubt that more than 10 instructions could ever be in
the pipeline at one time. Again, only the top of the line machines can handle
8 processors (the next generation will handle 16)

>The base system also comes with 20 MEGS of RAM, and a 1 GIGABYTE hard
>drive. All that can be had for $8,300 CANADIAN. So, do you think that'll

That sounds like the price of the Indigo, which has NO graphics hardware, and
so most of the above is not true for that model.

On the other hand, the SGI's are without question the sweetest computers ever
made, IMHO, and are only getting better. I have no doubt that if another
SW movie were to rely heavily on Computer Graphics, SGI's will be used in at
least some capacity!

Max Sterling

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In article <dgoldman....@Xenon.Stanford.EDU>, dgol...@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Daniel Robert Goldman) writes:
> alum...@camins.camosun.bc.ca (Max Sterling) writes:

>>They're getting so ridiculously AFFORDABLE now, that the low end system
>>is about to enter the home computer market. It's got 30 bit colour
>>capability on screen, with an extra 10 bits used for layering effects,
>>it can draw 300,000 polygons/second, and thanks to the fact that it has
>
> The top of the line model can do these things, but those are still in the
> $200,000 range, last time I heard.

[cut]


> This is not true. The SGI machines do some nice stuff, but not real-time
> raytracing. Some of the things they do in hardware are: Gouraud shading
> with multiple light sources, texturing, and NURBS, but not bump mapping,
> displacement mapping, or ray tracing.

[cut]


>>The base system also comes with 20 MEGS of RAM, and a 1 GIGABYTE hard
>>drive. All that can be had for $8,300 CANADIAN. So, do you think that'll
>
> That sounds like the price of the Indigo, which has NO graphics hardware, and
> so most of the above is not true for that model.

Well, I SAW the INDIGO model no more than a week ago, and it WAS doing
all that stuff. They had a flight simulator running on it which was full
screen RAY TRACED, and it allowed you to do anything you wanted. They
had a demo of a CAD program running on it which was, naturally, ray
traced, and you were able to travel anywhere you wanted in your
ray-traced environment. They also had a Terminator 2 commercial running
on it in real time, as well as a Pixar animation being generated on the
fly, as well as a constantly moving RAY TRACED F-14 Tomcat, which you
could rotate along each axis manually by moving the mouse in various
directions, ALL WITH NO SLOWDOWN. The person doing the demo opened the
box, which WAS an Indigo, and there was next to NOTHING IN IT AT ALL!
There was still about 60%+ room free for future expansion!

> On the other hand, the SGI's are without question the sweetest computers ever
> made, IMHO, and are only getting better. I have no doubt that if another
> SW movie were to rely heavily on Computer Graphics, SGI's will be used in at
> least some capacity!

No kidding. I'll be getting one myself, as soon as I can afford it.
However, by the time I make enough to buy one, They'll be SO ADVANCED,
the Reality Studio will be the LOW end model. :-( Mata ne.

Daniel Robert Goldman

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Oct 16, 1992, 5:44:38 PM10/16/92
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alum...@camins.camosun.bc.ca (Max Sterling) writes:

>Well, I SAW the INDIGO model no more than a week ago, and it WAS doing
>all that stuff. They had a flight simulator running on it which was full
>screen RAY TRACED, and it allowed you to do anything you wanted. They
>had a demo of a CAD program running on it which was, naturally, ray
>traced, and you were able to travel anywhere you wanted in your
>ray-traced environment. They also had a Terminator 2 commercial running
>on it in real time, as well as a Pixar animation being generated on the
>fly, as well as a constantly moving RAY TRACED F-14 Tomcat, which you
>could rotate along each axis manually by moving the mouse in various
>directions, ALL WITH NO SLOWDOWN. The person doing the demo opened the
>box, which WAS an Indigo, and there was next to NOTHING IN IT AT ALL!
>There was still about 60%+ room free for future expansion!

I think the confusion here is on the definition of ray-tracing. Ray-tracing
is when rays are cast from each pixel in an image backwards towards the light
sources, and recursively generated at the points of intersection, which allows
interreflections and light refraction. But ray-tracing of this sort is
generally NOT required for 3-D imaging unless interreflections and refractions
are needed. The "flight" program which you described is not raytraced, which
is what allows it to go so fast (you may have been looking at an Indigo Elan,
which is the souped up Indigo). In fact, strictly speaking, neither the
effects in T2 or The Abyss were ray-traced. They used a one-bounce ray-trace,
which does not do refractions or interreflections "correctly" (T1000 doesn't
reflect himself, and the Abyss pseudopod only had one side).

The Pixar animations you saw was not being generated in real-time, but was
preloaded into the machine's memory and DISPLAYED in real-time.

I have no doubt the Indigo can be expanded in many neat ways, but adding pro-
cessors is not one of them.

>No kidding. I'll be getting one myself, as soon as I can afford it.
>However, by the time I make enough to buy one, They'll be SO ADVANCED,
>the Reality Studio will be the LOW end model. :-( Mata ne.

I think it's called the Reality Engine.

Max Sterling

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Oct 17, 1992, 3:13:19 AM10/17/92
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In article <dgoldman....@Xenon.Stanford.EDU>, dgol...@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Daniel Robert Goldman) writes:

> The Pixar animations you saw was not being generated in real-time, but was
> preloaded into the machine's memory and DISPLAYED in real-time.
>
> I have no doubt the Indigo can be expanded in many neat ways, but adding pro-
> cessors is not one of them.
>
>

> I think it's called the Reality Engine.

Well, I just got a copy of the SGI "Periodic Table", and it depressed
the hell out of me. On Monday, I should be getting an info booklet
dedicated to the Indigo, so if people are interested. Anyhow, looking at
this table here, it looks like the first system that you can upgrade
processors with is the Crimson, and the demo model I saw was apparently
the 4D/420VGX. Kind of strange, considering it was in an Indigo box.
Before people start screaming that this doesn't have any relation
whatsoever to Star Wars, remember, George DOES have SEVERAL of these,
and he IS using them. :-) For all I know, he may have been using them
for the FX in the original Star Wars, since they've apparently existed
for 15 years, and are only now becoming more affordable. Mata ne.

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Oct 20, 1992, 2:07:12 PM10/20/92
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I'm sure they'll make another trilogy sometime. Whether based on the
Zahn novels or not, a Star Wars followup trilogy would make big bucks, and that
is what Hollywood likes, a guaranteed money maker. It'll only be a matter of
time before whoever is holding it back gets it through how much the Zahn novels
are making, and figures out that a set of movies would make at least as much,
maybe more after licensing, toys, box office, t-shiurts, and whatever other
garbage they can do. They shouldn't have idea problems about licensing, just
look what they did with the first trilogy!
TTFN--Ta Ta For Now!

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