SENTRY MOON!!!!!
Christian Bruce Aeschliman
I remember it being the SENTRY moon because I looked it up in the
"Art of ROTJ" book which also contains the script.
Michael J De Marco
: I remember it being the SENTRY moon because I looked it up in the
: "Art of ROTJ" book which also contains the script.
I guess this "Art of ROTJ" book is wrong, since he still says "Sanctuary"
moon. Aside from the presence of the word "Sanctuary" in the novelization
of the book, the Emperor's words can be heard clearly enough by merely
listening to them. By listening carefully, it becomes obvious that he does not
say either "century," "Centuri," or "sentry." Besides "Sanctuary" is a four
syllable word while "sentry" is a word of two syllables. Listen to the
man and all will become clear.
Mike
Scott Sutherland
: I remember it being the SENTRY moon because I looked it up in the
: "Art of ROTJ" book which also contains the script.
Nope, Art of ROTJ is incorrect, my TV has a closed caption option that I
put on to see just what I was saying, and he said "Sanctuary Moon".
Scott
Claude Baillargeon
: : -sha...@cats.ucsc.edu
: Scott
Sanctuary Moon seems correct to me CUZ:
The translation we have had from the movies (I'm french speaking)
specifies:
The Emperor says: "...la lune santuaire..."
So if the translators had the storyboard to translate, the Sanctuary Moon would be correct.
farewell...
Prox
Scott Bitsy Sherris
<STUFF SNIPPED>
: listening to them. By listening carefully, it becomes obvious that he does not
: say either "century," "Centuri," or "sentry." Besides "Sanctuary" is a four
: syllable word while "sentry" is a word of two syllables. Listen to the
: man and all will become clear.
The Emperor mumbles it so it comes out "Sanctchary Moon"
--
Scott David Sherris | AKA Bitsy, Spot, Hotwire
Georgia Institute of Technology | Atlanta, GA, U.S.A.
FDC Vice President of Imagineering | FDC Star Tours Pilot Max
gt5...@prism.gatech.edu | "Making me watch Star Trek is Hazing!"
Katrina D Gerhard
>Michael J De Marco (dem...@blue.seas.upenn.edu) wrote:
><STUFF SNIPPED>
>: either "century," "Centuri," or "sentry." Besides "Sanctuary" is a four
>: syllable word while "sentry" is a word of two syllables. Listen to the
>: man and all will become clear.
>
>The Emperor mumbles it so it comes out "Sanctchary Moon"
FWIW, I was testing out the built-in closed captioning decoder on my new
TV, while watching my VHS copy of ROTJ, and the captioning during this
scene says "SANCTUARY". 'Course, this just may just mean that's what the
staff doing the captions thought they heard; I don't know if they work
with a script in front of them or not...
I'm really glad I have my hearing, though -- if you had to rely on the
captioning, you'd miss all the best lines...
Regards,
Katrina
Scott C. Silvers
: I remember it being the SENTRY moon because I looked it up in the
: "Art of ROTJ" book which also contains the script.
Well, according to the noveliztion, which I'm holding in my hands at this
very moment, it is the Sanctuary Moon.
-Scott
james...@delphi.com
Forest
Moon?
Well, actually, since first seeing RETURN OF THE JEDI in a movie theater in
1983 and
every time since then up to the present, the word that I myself have heard actor
Ian McDiarmid as the Emperor say is "Centurion Moon." I've always heard the
second
accented syllable "-tu-" emphasized, so the word that I heard rolling off
McDiarmid's
tongue was "CenTUrion Moon."
As far as <written sources> go (such as the RETURN OF THE JEDI novelization and
other
resource guides), the original word "Sanctuary" holds. But the word "Sanctuary"
in
and of itself does NOT make as much sense as the words Centurion, Sentry and
Century,
all of which originated from military terms used during the Roman Empire. That's
because "Sanctuary" (in an attempted military definition use of the term) would
seem
to imply that the Death Star II was vulnerable and might serve as a fallout
shelter
of sorts if attacked or if something were to go deadly wrong during its
construction.
The notion that the Death Star II was ever vulnerable, however, is sheer
nonsense
because even if the Death Star II were attacked during its construction, the
Emperor
would NOT have permitted the battle station personnel and officers to abandon
station
at the first sign of any major Rebel attack. That's because the Emperor would
NOT
have permitted the Death Star II to fall into enemy hands and he was not so
forgiving
as to permit his minions to save their skins during any Rebel attack by fleeing
the
battlestation. The Emperor only valued his own existence and anyone lower on the
totem pole than himself was expendable.
There ARE two possible explanations for the use of the word "Sanctuary" though.
The
first is solely my invention and the second is one that I share with others. I
shall
begin with the second, the wildlife preserve term "Sanctuary."
During a debate about the word actually spoken by actor Ian McDiarmid as Emperor
Palpatine on another echo last year, I mentioned that the only official use of
the
word "Sanctuary" I had ever heard was in reference to wildlife preserves for
animals
and/or birds. I tend to doubt the use of such a term in application to Endor's
Forest
Moon, however, because its comprehension in that sense is not perceivable
without
some exposition and/or dialogue to expound that notion. Moreover, I tend to
doubt
whether a world would be declared a wildlife sanctuary when it's already
occupied
by at least one sentient species. It might be called off-limits in the STAR WARS
Universe because of some STAR TREK-like Prime Directive because of the Ewoks'
still-
evolving culture; but any such consideration would have been done during the Old
Republic because the Empire was blatantly inconsiderate and even racist toward
non-
humanoid alien species.
Nevertheless, author Kevin J. Anderson of JEDI ACADEMY series fame told me he
thought
Endor's Forest Moon had been declared a wildlife-like Sanctuary sometime during
the
days of the Old Republic. So, I consider Anderson's take on "Sanctuary" as more
authoritative but not absolute, because my concern is not so much with the use
of
the word "Sanctuary" in written sources but the word actually spoken by actor
Ian
McDiarmid as the Emperor. That's because I believe that one word of dialogue was
probably changed sometime during filming because the term "Sanctuary" did not
lend
itself to be readily understood in any military sense of the word as it applied
in
RETURN OF THE JEDI.
There are plenty of precedents for on-set script changes in dialogue during the
filming of the STAR WARS films and one changed word of dialogue would be more
likely
to be overlooked by any follow-up script reviser because McDiarmid either spoke
the
word less concisely or the microphone pick-up didn't capture it clearly enough.
And
you have to admit that one annoyingly haughty thing that McDiarmid's Emperor
did do
was to over-enunciate his dialogue at times.
The word spoken by McDiarmid had an emphasized second syllable, "-tu-." A word's
natural syllabification is NOT dependent on the national origin of its speaker,
despite his/her being from another country. The DIALECT of the speaker may
vary, but
all will speak the word with the same syllabification UNLESS there are two
acceptable
and acknowledged pronunciations (like the word "advertisement" has:
AD-ver-tise-ment
and ad-VER-tiz-ment).
The word "Sanctuary," however, is accented on its first syllable as follows:
SANC-tu-
ar-y. One cannot pronounce "Sanctuary" emphasizing its second syllable and make
any
sense; the word also does not have a second pronunciation.
The words "Sentry" and "Century" are also accented on their first syllables:
SEN-try
and CEN-tu-ry. But both words DO make good military sense in reference to
Endor's
Forest Moon. They can futuristically adapted from their ancient Roman
derivations
just like the Nazi German term "Stormtroopers" can be similarly adapted.
"Century"
in a modern-day or futuristic sense can mean the same as "garrison." Moreover,
the
word "Sentry" is STILL in use in the military and of all the words considered
makes
the BEST SENSE. That's because the Energy Shield Station on Endor's Forest Moon
was
acting as a Sentry for the Death Star II because it monitored the comings and
goings
from the battlestation and determined who would be admitted or denied entrance.
The
personnel in the Energy Shield Station raised the shield admitting those whose
code
clearances checked out.
IF ONLY the word "Century" were naturally accented on its second syllable, I'd
vote
for Sentry as the word actually spoken by actor Ian McDiarmid's Emperor. But
it's oy
a close second choice for me because it's not the word that I heard despite its
most accurate military application. I remain steadfast in my support for the
word
"Centurion" because it most closely resembles the actual word I heard and is
quite
close in definition to the word "Sentry." "Centurion" is also of ancient Roman
military derivation and the Centurion's military function was close to that of a
combination sentry and guard.
In all fairness, I DID, however, come up with my own original explanation for
the use
of the word "Sanctuary" <in written sources>, but, of course, this is my own
invention and is not canon: I believe "Sanctuary" would make sense in written
sources
if one considers that the Emperor did permit Rebel spies to acquire plans to the
Death Star II. The battlestation plans alone, however, would NOT have made the
Death STar II such a tempting target. If the Emperor had included information
with
those plans alluding to Endor's Forest Moon as its Sanctuary Moon, then it
would have
implied that the Death Star II was vulnerable or in a vulnerable stage of
construction
and make the Rebels believe that the Imperials had a contingency plan to
abandon the
battlestation during a major attack to take shelter on Endor's Forest Moon.
This bit
of information would have made the Death Star II all the more tempting for the
Rebels
to attack because the use of the term Sanctuary Moon might have misled the
Rebels to
infer incorrectly that the Death Star II was vulnerable -- which it actually
NEVER
was. But as Disinformation, deliberately misleading information, the term
"Sanctuary
Moon" would make sense. But the Emperor would NOT have touted Endor's Forest
Moon as
such unless he were to have conveyed to Luke when revealing to him that he
already
knew of the Rebels' impending attack that the Sanctuary Moon was no such thing,
and
in disclaiming it as no such sanctuary of any kind, it would have afforded the
Emperor another moment of "Gotcha!" sarcasm to cackle about.
Again, the disinformation use of the word "Sanctuary" is my own invention; but
it's
the only way I can make sense of its use in reference to Endor's Forest Moon.
The only person who could definitively affirm what the word spoken by actor Ian
McDiarmid was is STAR WARS creator George Lucas. Director Richard Marquand is
deceased, but if Marquand had indeed made even one word of dialogue change,
especially a proper-noun place-name change, it seems that he would have to have
it
approved through Lucas himself. Until such time as Lucas officially confirms the
word spoken by actor Ian McDiarmid, I stand by the word "Centurion," BUT would
encourage every STAR WARS fan to defend the word of his/her choice YET at the
same
time, for the sake of common decency, NOT Star Warsian political correctness,
from
henceforth onward refer to Endor's moon as "the Forest Moon of Endor" until such
time as Lucas steps forward to solve this Unsolved Mystery from Faraway Galaxy.
On another freenet echo, I was chastised by some STAR WARS stalwarts simply
because
I chose to hold and express my own opinion. In doing so, those fans deteriorated
into armchair emperors who tried to dictate to me what I should believe while
apparently denying me the right to hold my own opinion. Sparring about these
issues
is one thing, but belligerant bickering and arguing is counterproductive.
Moreover,
it betrays the very ideals that many, if not most, Star Wars fans aspire to that
they admire about the Jedi Code.
So, believe what you may and may the Force be with you.
--James William King
Mark Hagenau
posting such malarkey.
james...@delphi.com wrote:
: Sanctuary? Sentry? Centauri? Century? Which makes the best sense for Endor's
: Forest Moon?
Sanctuary. That's what is in the book and the movie. A sanctuary is a
place of refuge, which is what Endor (and the shield generator) is to the
Death Star.
: Well, actually, since first seeing RETURN OF THE JEDI in a movie theater in
: 1983 blah blah blah . . ., the word that I myself have heard actor
: Ian McDiarmid as the Emperor say is "Centurion Moon." Blah blah blah . . .
The cerumen has really clogged up that hearing aid, eh? Ask some non-Cockney
English friends to say "sanctuary" like a pompous Emperor might.
: As far as <written sources> go . . . ["Sanctuary" is fine and dandy, but I
: don't care about what the book and movie say. I like Centurion, Sentry,
: and Century better because I believe that they are all military terms,
: which for some reason I am trying to apply to the moon perhaps because I
: am confusing the purpose of the moon and the Death Star.]
[end paraphrase]
There are millions of English dictionaries in the world. Use one. A
centurion is the Roman commander of a century. I fail to see how you can
apply either word metaphorically to the moon while preserving even basic
meaning. A sentry is a guard that controls passage. This would be a
reasonable name for Endor if it were not for the fact that Endor does not
control passage at all. If you'd care to watch the movie, access to the
Death Star is controlled by the Death Star. At the beginning there is
the Imperial officer stating to a controller to "Inform the commander
that Lord Vader's shuttle has arrived." They are on the Death Star.
That same controller, who is called a "shield operator" in the book,
has just received the shuttle's code transmission and deactivated the
shield partially to "form a clear channel" to the Death Star. Likewise,
access to Endor is controlled by the command ship. As Shuttle Tyderium
approaches, it is prompted by one of Admiral Piett's men, Controller
Jhoff, for a code, after which Jhoff allows passage. In both instances
Endor does not act like a sentry; it merely houses the security deflector
shield generator.
[nonsense about how the Death Star wasn't vulnerable]
The Death Star only becomes operational after Darth Vader threatens
Commander Jerjerrod. "I tell you, this station will be operational as
planned." Obviously, a battle station that is not operational is more
vulnerable than one that is. And the rebels destroy an operational
one! Clearly, the Death Star needs the refuge provided by Endor, which
serves as a base of operations and construction. (You can't just start
building a battle station in the middle of space.) That's where the
sanctuary role of Endor comes in. Without Endor there would be no
shield either. It'd be pointless to start building something out in
the open if a Calamari cruiser could repeatedly pop out of hyperspace
and blast the construction with one turbolaser shot.
[crap about Endor being a wildlife refuge and about Anderson's ideas]
Good Lord, why are you talking with Anderson?
[crap about what McDiarmid might have said and script changes]
Of course, you wouldn't think of asking McDiarmid about what he said.
Unless, of course, he's dead. Dead people don't answer questions, usually.
However, sound and film crew could answer the question as well, not that
the question even needs to be asked.
: The word spoken by McDiarmid had an emphasized second syllable . . .
Wrong. It had a relatively unemphasized first syllable. The first two
syllables were stressed rather equally to accommodate his rising tone of
voice.
: A word's natural syllabification is NOT dependent on the national origin
: of its speaker despite his/her being from another country. The DIALECT of
: the speaker may vary, but all will speak the word with the same
: syllabification UNLESS there are two acceptable and acknowledged
: pronunciations (like the word "advertisement" has: AD-ver-tise-ment and
: ad-VER-tiz-ment).
No wonder why you don't know what McDiarmid said. The word you're trying
to use is "syllabication," and the only point you make about it is that
it usually doesn't vary but it sometimes varies. Actually, you manage to
contradict yourself and screw up the pronunciations of your example.
"Advertisement" has three acknowledged pronunciations: ad"ver-tize'ment,
ad-ver'tis-ment, and ad-ver'tiz-ment. Orally reading metered poetry in
public would be ill-advised.
[even more crap that has already been challenged in above text]
: The only person who could definitively affirm what the word spoken by actor
: Ian McDiarmid . . .
. . . is Ian McDiarmid, if he's still alive and if we actually didn't know
what he said.
: [We should] refer to Endor's moon as "the Forest Moon of Endor" until such
: time as Lucas steps forward to solve this Unsolved Mystery from Faraway
: Galaxy.
I should print this line out and frame it since it's so lame. I really
don't think Lucas would care, even if there were actually a debate. It's
only one word, for Christ's sake. Personally, I think we should refer to
Endor as Marketable-Cuddly-Wuvable-Widdle-Teddy-Bear-Land.
: On another freenet echo, I was chastised by some STAR WARS stalwarts simply
: because I chose to hold and express my own opinion. In doing so, those fans
: deteriorated into armchair emperors who tried to dictate to me what I should
: believe while apparently denying me the right to hold my own opinion.
Hmm. Yes, most interesting. I don't know why anyone would do that, except
if you're WRONG. How silly of them.
: Moreover, it betrays the very ideals that many, if not most, Star Wars
: fans aspire to that they admire about the Jedi Code.
Jedi Schmedi. Screw the Good Side. Long live the Dark Side. :)
: So, believe what you may and may the Force be with you.
I prefer to believe the truth. May great gobs of Bantha poo visit you.
: --James William King
--not James William King
james...@delphi.com
If you believe in what you write, you should demonstrate your conviction by
writing your name, Mark Hagenau, instead of resorting to a more anonymous pen
name like (ahem!) "not James King."
After all, even if your arguments are found wanting, at least you got your name
correct (IF it isn't just a handle). And if it is indeed your real name, well,
you could at least win that point. :^D
May the Force be with you anyway,
James King
(not Mark Hagenau ;^)
Brian A. McMurtry
sentry, but it is not. It is sanctuary. My source: the novel.
End this please :)
Brian
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TZ
says:
>In article <95048.123...@psuvm.psu.edu> TZ <TWZ...@psuvm.psu.edu>
>writes:
>>Date: Fri, 17 Feb 1995 12:31:58 EST
>>From: TZ <TWZ...@psuvm.psu.edu>
>>Subject: Re: SENTRY MOON!!!!!
>> Couldn't a "sanctuary" simply be a place largely untouched by the hands f
>o
>>industrial civilization? Endor seems largely pristine, with bands of e
>primitiv
>>beings running around in forests, wild animals, etc. (completely ignoring the
>>goofy Ewoks TV movies, that is). It wouldn't have to be "designated" a san-
>>tuary by the Old Republic or whatever to be considered one. I think you're
>>interpreting the phrase far too formally and literally here.
>The Empire call it a Sanctuary due to its natural untouched beauty? Don't
>think so. The Empire doesn't seem very appreciative of that kind of thing. No,
>I say it's called the Sanctuary Moon because that's where the shield generator
>is, which protects the Death Star.
Well, names tend to stick even when governments change. Even after the
North Vietnamese took over South Vietnam and renamed Saigon "Ho Chi Minh" City,
EVERYONE in the country still called it Saigon, and the local newspaper was
still called the Saigon Times. Once something enters common speech, people
sometimes continue to use it even after the original meaning is lost: the
phrase "aid and abet" is redundant, yet it continues to be used. It is a
relic of the Norman conquest of England, when formal documents had to be
written in both French and English. So perhaps it was a "sanctuary moon"
under the Old Republic, and continued to be referred to as such even after the
Empire took over.
TZ
james...@delphi.com
Where written sources are concerned, "Sanctuary" is canon; however, as to the
word SPOKEN by actor Ian McDiarmid's Emperor Palpatine in the film RETURN OF THE
JEDI, that word -- whether it be Sanctuary, Century, Centauri, Sentry or
Centurion --
Centurion -- is in the ear of the beholder. Good cases can be made for all those
words but you don't influence opinion by dictating to others what to think like
an armchair emperor.
You CAN, however, end the thread by dropping the subject and letting every STAR
WARS
fan sort it out for himself/herself by their own convictions.
Long live Endor's Forest Moon!
--James King
Collin Yeoh
>Date: Fri, 17 Feb 1995 12:31:58 EST
>From: TZ <TWZ...@psuvm.psu.edu>
>Subject: Re: SENTRY MOON!!!!!
> Couldn't a "sanctuary" simply be a place largely untouched by the hands of
>industrial civilization? Endor seems largely pristine, with bands of primitive
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March Chase
Biblical name?) A while back some people were commenting on the
inacurracy of Star Wars by having Endor be one climate, or essintally one
big forest. My question is why couldn't the entier moon be a forest? Isn't
Io, one of Jupiters moons, compleatley covered with Ice? Isn't Mars a big
desert with the exception of the ice caps?
Erick
Oh, here's a little piece of trivia. Darth Vader is mentioned in a Genesis
song. The song is called Dodo and the lyric is something like this:
"Darth Vader, agitator" and I forget the rest.
Erick
Brian A. McMurtry
James,
Unless my definition of canon is wrong, the three novels, (SW, ESB, and
ROTJ) are not canon. The only valid sources about the SW universe are
the three movies, the three novels, and the radio dramas. These 8 items
are "drawn from an original Lucasfilm source." This is from the Guide to
the SW universe and several other sources.
So, yes, I can back up my claim using the original novelization of ROTJ.
And the novel says, "sanctuary."
Brian
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: Hunter (hit...@osu.edu) wrote:
: : In article <3ih72e$4...@sun.lclark.edu> mch...@sun.lclark.edu (March Chase) writes:
: : PS- my question is: where's the planet if the forest moon is a moon?
: I was just skimming through the ROTJ novel yesterday and it contained
: the answer to your question. Here's the quote:
: "At the feathered edge of the galaxy, the Death Star floated in
: stationary orbit above the green moon Endor--a moon whose mother planet
: had long since died of unknown cataclysm and disappeared into unknown
: realms."
: I am not quite sure why they would still call it a moon if it no longer
: orbited a planet, though.
If something came along and destroyed a planet, I would think that it would
quite likely destroy any moons orbiting said planet, especially if the planet
was a big planet (which it must be to have a moon orbiting it with the surface
gravity of Endor). As for it being a moon after that, well, the forest ex-moon
of Endor doesn't sound very good, does it?
Simon Challands
Mark Browning
In a previous article, hit...@osu.edu (Hunter) says:
>In article <3ih72e$4...@sun.lclark.edu> mch...@sun.lclark.edu (March Chase) writes:
>
>>I have a question about Endor (by the way, did you know that Endor is a
>>Biblical name?) A while back some people were commenting on the
>>inacurracy of Star Wars by having Endor be one climate, or essintally one
>>big forest. My question is why couldn't the entier moon be a forest? Isn't
>>Io, one of Jupiters moons, compleatley covered with Ice? Isn't Mars a big
>>desert with the exception of the ice caps?
>>Erick
>
>WARNING- this is not a flame.
>
>Europa, the moon of Jupiter you mention (not Io; that moon's a story in
>itself) is covered with ice because it's too far from the sun to catch the
>energy needed to melt it. Mars even has separate climates (temp wise) but not
>much difference in environment because of the lack of water in the atmosphere.
>
>But a body the size of the forest moon would have to have separate
>climates...unless the same side faces the sun all the time, which is
>impossible physically and well... because there were night and day in the
>film. But we never get to see those climates because, in the movie, we're
>only treated to a small area. There were supposed to be plains with
>creatures called Yuzzum that coexisted with the Ewoks in a early draft.
>
>If this stuff really interests you, try reading 2001 or 2010 by Arthur C.
>Clarke. There are some interesting theories about the Jupiter and Saturn
>systems in there.
>
>Hunter
>
>PS- my question is: where's the planet if the forest moon is a moon?
>
Answer: In the opposite direction then what we see.. Or it broke apart
a long time ago, and all thats there is an asteroid belt, or the DS had
a little test..
--
Mark
"I need a vacation"
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T2: Judgement Day
Mark Hagenau
: Brian,
: Where written sources are concerned "Sanctuary" is canon; however, as to the
: word SPOKEN by actor Ian McDiarmid's Emperor Palpatine in the film RETURN OF
: THE JEDI, that word -- whether it be Sanctuary, Century, Centauri, Sentry or
: those words but you don't influence opinion by dictating to others what to
: think like an armchair emperor.
Why, hello again, Jimmy. I'm taking this opportunity to recant my earlier
misguided statement that the word Ian McDiarmid spoke had equally stressed
first and second syllables. See, I watched ROTJ on Friday and found that
the first syllable was clearly stressed more than the three following ones.
Of course, the second and third are slurred, but I doubt you'll find anyone
pronouncing 'sanctuary' without slurring those syllables. Another thing
that I noticed is that the nasal diphthong 'ng' is clearly present in the
word McDiarmid speaks. The 'nc' in 'sanctuary' is pronounced as such. It
would be unfair to challenge you to find a similarly pronounced word that
contextually makes sense since there are none. Good cases can be made for
'sanctuary'. I still think you should clear that cerumen out of your
Miracle Ear (tm). You may interpret Star Wars all you like; however,
facts taken singly cannot be interpreted, except incorrectly by one's own
human perception. Of course, there's no such thing as a 100% certain
fact. Do you deny that Alec Guinness said 'The Force will be with you...
always' to Mark Hamill in ANH? Of course not. Everyone agrees that that
occurred. But, of course, everyone's perception could be wrong. However,
that doesn't mean that it's an opinion. If I perceived that Alec Guinness
said 'Doo-wadiddy-diddydum-diddydoo' to Mark Hamill, would you consider
that my opinion? No, because I would be plain wrong; anyone with a decent
sense of hearing knows that. You may perceive whatever you want in your
solipsistic environment. Everyone else who has listened reasonably
carefully and who senses sound at an average level agrees/perceives/knows
that McDiarmid said 'Sanctuary Moon'. Everyone who actually bothers to
read this thread also probably thinks your arguments get more hackneyed
each time you use that whiny 'armchair emperor' phrase. Sheesh. Get an
idiomatic thesaurus or something.
: You CAN, however, end the thread by dropping the subject and letting every
: STAR WARS fan sort it out for himself/herself by their own convictions.
No. A fact cannot be sorted out. The fact was determined when McDiarmid
spoke. Fans may discover their own perception of that fact, though, by
listening to the movie. The fact is, of course, that 'sanctuary' was said.
Another interesting point that should be brought up is that all subtitled
and closed captioned versions probably show the word as 'sanctuary' or
some other word(s) with a similar meaning. I should check my Japanese
subtitled copy sometime. Or can someone prove that subtitles and captions
are taken directly from the script? It'd seem more sensible to translate
the actual dialogue, though, and if so, then McDiarmid's words would be
in printed form independent of the script.
: Long live Endor's Forest Moon!
No. I hope a third Death Star comes along in Episode 7 and blows it away,
along with the indigenous population of Furry Demons.
: --James King
Your presentation has grown tiresome. It's time to dance.
--not James King