Lost clip from ROTJ
Xethimus
Dulberger) writes:
I agree, I saw the theatrical release twice in one day, and I can't
remember seeing any scene where he "force jumps" to the ceiling grate (one
with leia and lando looking through). I remeber this scene in the text,
but not in the movie. It definitely insn't in any letterbox editions
toady, or the THX edition.
Xethimus
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Michael Quinn
I definitely remember that part. That was 100% without a doubt
in the movie. I do can not remember though if it is on my videos.
Shit! I hate when stuff like this happens.
Vayo Con Dios...pilgrim
George Washington
<Pine.SUN.3.90.941120171...@thunder.cs.odu.edu>,
Michael Quinn <qu...@cs.odu.edu> wrote:
It WAS in the movie. dudes.. saw it myself... this is odd....
John R Martinez
Ditto I can almost see him jumping through the steam in the background
........Hell, you can even hear him jumping.....yes this is odd....
Rick
Lars Petter Marken
isn't it? I remember reading about it in the novel BEFORE seeing the movie
and got somewhat disappointed with the scene, as you could only see a blurry
figure passing rapidly upwards through the smoke. But there definitely WAS
such a scene. As I recall, Vader then looked up and saw Luke hanging from
some wires and stuff under the roof.
Sorry if I'm out on the wrong field here, but has this scene been cut on
the video version? I must admit I've NEVER seen ESB on video, but I've seen
it several times on the big screen, including a special showing only 2 years
ago. And the scene is there. Are we talking about the same thing here?
All the best
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in Jabba's Palace, but it's obviously not there on the tape. That
means there are two possibilities:
(1) It was only in the theatrical release. This is possible, since
there were some things only in the ANH release, like the opening
title not saying "Episode IV" and the Stormtroopers yelling, "Close
the blast doors!" then "Open the blast doors!"
(2) It was not in the movie, but we're all imagining that it was.
This also happened with ANH--a lot of people "remember" seeing
Biggs, based on their memories from the storybook.
I believe the culprits here are the ROTJ novelization and the Topps
trading cards--one had a picture of Luke hanging from the railing.
Michael Quinn
I know for a fact that Luke force jumped to the grate. I originally saw
it in the movie theatres in Italy with Italian subtitles and it might have
been different but I doubt it. I specifically remember him jumping up and
then a couple of gammorean guards or something stepping on his hands or
poking him with a spear or something.
ajo@po.cwru.edu (Andrew Onifer)
I distinctly remember seeing that part in the movie, because when I
first saw the video, I thought it was strange that the scene was
missing. This IS odd...
John E. Reid
George Washington <davep...@washcoll.edu> wrote:
>> >
>> > I agree, I saw the theatrical release twice in one day, and I can't
>> > remember seeing any scene where he "force jumps" to the ceiling grate (one
>> I definitely remember that part. That was 100% without a doubt
>> in the movie. I do can not remember though if it is on my videos.
>
>It WAS in the movie. dudes.. saw it myself... this is odd....
No it wasn't! Yes it was! No it wasn't! ;)
OK, here's what I remember: there was no "force jump" in the theatrical
release nor any VHS or Laserdisc. Maybe what people remember is the shot
where Luke is struggling to open that gate that leads out of the Rancor
pit. But it's *not* on the ceiling! There are also pictures of the
"hanging from the ceiling" shot in the storybook and in the Topps cards,
and maybe it was in one of the trailors. I'm not saying that all of you have
overactive imaginations, but it happens a lot with the SW movies. I could
have sworn that I saw Vader's exposed brain in the meditation chamber
scene in _Empire_, but it ain't there!
Ugh,this seems like a silly thread, doesn't it? And I just contributed to
it! D'OH!! ;)
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I thought it was a Jawa (possibly helped by a gammorean guard), who hit
Luke's hands with his gunbutt (the jawa's gun obviously).
MTDSATLSOTFBWYA,
-Robert
Robert Hilliard
>
>No it wasn't! Yes it was! No it wasn't! ;)
>
>OK, here's what I remember: there was no "force jump" in the theatrical
>release nor any VHS or Laserdisc. Maybe what people remember is the shot
>where Luke is struggling to open that gate that leads out of the Rancor
>pit. But it's *not* on the ceiling! There are also pictures of the
>"hanging from the ceiling" shot in the storybook and in the Topps cards,
>and maybe it was in one of the trailors. I'm not saying that all of you have
>overactive imaginations, but it happens a lot with the SW movies. I could
>have sworn that I saw Vader's exposed brain in the meditation chamber
>scene in _Empire_, but it ain't there!
>
>Ugh,this seems like a silly thread, doesn't it? And I just contributed to
>it! D'OH!! ;)
>
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> John Reid _____________________________________________ Die Wanna Wanga!
> <jer...@moontarz.nuance.com>
>
Umm...I came into this thread late. Are we thinking of the scene where
Luke jumps up to this grate in the floor of the Jabba's room, and then
Jawas hit his hands with rifle stocks? I remember that one vividly, and
I never saw ROTJ in the theater :( nor read the storybook.
Matt H.
ML Hewitt
BTW Close the blast doors - Open em was in the TV version I had before
getting the letterbox editions and was not a cinema exclusive.
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>>
>>No it wasn't! Yes it was! No it wasn't! ;)
>>
>>OK, here's what I remember: there was no "force jump" in the theatrical
>>release nor any VHS or Laserdisc. Maybe what people remember is the shot
[..cut..]
As for that image of Luke hanging from the ceiling everyone seems to recall
somehow, couldn't it be that you guys just mix up things, and what you
really remember is luke hanging from the ceiling in Cloud City in ESB?
:-|
>>I could
>>have sworn that I saw Vader's exposed brain in the meditation chamber
>>scene in _Empire_, but it ain't there!
WHAT? I remember that too! Just before (or in the middle of?) the asteroid-
scenes...
>>
>>Ugh,this seems like a silly thread, doesn't it? And I just contributed to
>>it! D'OH!! ;)
Damn. Me too...
%-)
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sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant..."
Brian Nevrincean
the creatures kick or uses sticks to knock him back down. I remember being
confused when I first saw the movie on video because I wondered why they would
cut that scene out.
Dookydaks
<76500...@CompuServe.COM> writes:
"Close the blast doors" was on the Story of SW LP, not in the film.
Mark Howard
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This scene did exist once... I have a still of it in a book somewhere.
Also in the book is a still of the scene in Anchor Head when Luke is
talking to Biggs. Was this ever shown? I can't remeber (I was very
young when it was on at the flicks). I know its not in the vids.
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JackCamden
ma...@darklord.demon.co.uk (Mark Howard) writes:
>>This scene [Luke jumping for the grate in ROTJ] did exist once... I have
a still of it in a book somewhere.
>>Also in the book is a still of the scene in Anchor Head when Luke is
talking to Biggs. Was this ever shown? I can't remeber (I was very
young when it was on at the flicks). I know its not in the vids.<<
Both these scenes were shot, for ROTJ and ANH respectively, but cut BEFORE
theatrical release. Stills of them were printed in the kids' storybooks
about the films way back when. That fact, novelizations, comic books, and
years of talk have convinced a lot of people that they saw those scenes in
the theater and they were later removed. This is not so. You have stumbled
across one of the silliest and most intense arguments in SW fandom, do
yourself a favor and let it go. Your best chance to see those scenes is in
a few years, when Lucas releases special editions of one or all the films.
Jack
chris doty
Question is how can we prove it?
chris doty
palace. When he's fighting the Rancor!
Todd Bangerter
: The scene I am refering to is when Luke force jumps up to the garte in Hutt's
: palace. When he's fighting the Rancor!
I specifically remember NOT seeing this scene when the movie was
released. I was only in the first grade at the time, but I specifically
remeber getting the storybook through some book club shortly after
Christmas and reading about how he jumped up and then people stamped on
his hands on the grate and he had to drop back down. Then when the movie
came out I wondered why I didn't see that.
-Todd Bangerter
-taba...@fas.harvard.edu
JKA
>
>I specifically remember seeing that scene too. I know it was in the movie.
>Question is how can we prove it?
Could some one please tell me the scene, I missed the first posting. Doh
thanks JKA.
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The Dark Lord Of The Sith
Bangerter) wrote:
The way it worked in th e movie was that Luke ran to a gate and they
taunted him. Now maybe in th ebook it was different, but the movie never
has him force jumping at tha point...only when he dives "to his death"
(and then R2 gives him the saber and he saves the day)
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Brent Lynch
> I specifically remember seeing that scene too. I know it was in the movie.
> Question is how can we prove it?
..
Which scene, because I do have a tape of the ships smashing against the
DS II shield that many claim doesn't exist in current releases of the
trilogy.
Tarisha Taralyn Dolyniuk
This scene definitely was in the original, I can see it perfectly...
IMHO, this would maybe explain why it looks like the gamorrean was dowm in
the pit longer than Luke.
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ROSS V ELIA
: chris doty <chri...@delphi.com> writes:
You know, I thought I was going crazy but when I saw the movie in the theaters,
have sworn ships were smashing into the shield. But when I bought the
letter box, it wasn't there. Glad to know it does exist.
chris doty
>: Which scene, because I do have a tape of the ships smashing against the
>: DS II shield that many claim doesn't exist in current releases of the
>: trilogy.
Jabba's palace, which has been refered to as th holy grail of SW fans.
Any proof?
C.Doty
Todd Bangerter
: This scene definitely was in the original, I can see it perfectly...
: IMHO, this would maybe explain why it looks like the gamorrean was dowm in
: the pit longer than Luke.
OK. If you can remember it perfectly, then answer these 2 questions. Why does
Luke let go of the grate? And then what happens RIGHT after Luke drops down
from the grate? Now I remember from my storybook (or whatever) what was
supposed to happen. If you can rememeber an actual scene of this as you
claim, then you'll be able to answer me these two questions.
Again, I specifically remember NEVER seeing these two events that I just
asked you about.
-Todd Bangerter
-taba...@fas.harvard.edu
mark1
>
> If you remember the scene corectly then you would see
that the Gamorean fell into the pit a second after Luke.
In the video "the making of the saga from Star Wars to Jedi",
Mark Hamill said that he had to rush out of the way when
he fell into the pit so that the 200 pound Gamorean wouldn't
crush him. Thus in order for him to have to tumble out of
the way he couldn't have held on to the grate and the Gamorean
couldn't have landed in the Rancor pin first.
This grate scene could never have occured, unless they
changed the movie and told Mark Hamill to lie.
M. Sean McManus
progress this way,
1)Luke falls into pit
2)Gammorean Guard (all 200lbs) falls into pit.
3)they land.
4)Luke jumps up to grate, hangs
5)Enter Rancor, he eats guard
6)guard dies, (unlike sarlacc)
7)LUke gets stomped off grate, (by other 200lbs guard)
from here on it remains as we have scene, in the scene, if oyu know what
I mean. What I want to know is, What happened to the gun? I mean luke
fell into the pit with a blaster. now maybe it wouldn't have any efect on
the rancor, but at least he could have used it to escape after they
opened the last door, or maybe he could have just shot somebody, anybody,
or anything. BUt why did he loose it? I mean he jump and twirl through
the air, an dthen catch a little lightsaber. but whay can't he even hold
on to a puny blaster when falling down some sandstone slide?
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I remember the storybook also.
It wasn't just describing Luke jumping during the Rancor fight... there was a
picture of it as well.
I think that the scene was shot for the movie and just never used.
What do you think?
Any E-Mail responses would be appreciated.
Dave.
Steven Wm.O.
: This scene definitely was in the original, I can see it perfectly...
: IMHO, this would maybe explain why it looks like the gamorrean was dowm in
: the pit longer than Luke.
Well the scene isn't in either of my ROTJ tapes (letterbox version and
regular version), and I don't remember the scene from when I last
seen the movie in the theatres.. but that was in like 1984 or so..
so I might have forgotten it. But I do have a picture of Luke hanging
from the grating in the Rancor pit right after he does his jump. I
scanned and posted the picture in this newsgroup earlier.. it was called
RancorPit.JPG.
So I guess there was such a scene.
Jared J Patterson
: Hi,
I remember there being a card of this picture in the original Topps ROTJ
set (around #33). Luke was hanging onto the grate. So the question is
"Did Topps take the scene from the theatrical release, or from the
pre-release version of the movie?"
"I was just trying to help."
JJ
Brent Lynch
> > Doug Housman (Ma...@tiac.net) wrote:
> >
> > If you remember the scene corectly then you would see
> that the Gamorean fell into the pit a second after Luke.
> In the video "the making of the saga from Star Wars to Jedi",
> Mark Hamill said that he had to rush out of the way when
> he fell into the pit so that the 200 pound Gamorean wouldn't
>
> This grate scene could never have occured, unless they
> changed the movie and told Mark Hamill to lie.
>
..
Nontheless the grate scene was filmed, now if this was ever in
ANY of the releases up on the big screen or a figment of foggy
recollections is debatable.
Ed Grimley
: I remember there being a card of this picture in the original Topps ROTJ
: set (around #33). Luke was hanging onto the grate. So the question is
: "Did Topps take the scene from the theatrical release, or from the
: pre-release version of the movie?"
Neither one. That picture, like virtually all of the old Topps cards
I've seen, was taken from a photograph snapped on the set. This is
obviously a much simpler process than transferring a still from the film
into a printable format. That's why some of the optical effects look
different on the cards than in the movies; they were added in to the
photos later (like C3PO's infamous airbrushed private parts). That's also
why the Topps Widevision Set coming out this winter is using the hype in
its ads of being "directly scanned from the original films." That's an
atypical method of producing movie picture cards. Personally I think the
photos are cooler because you get to see views of the movie you can't get
in the actual movie. Including a few snippets from the staging of "lost
scenes" like Luke's aborted escape from the Rancor pit.
-Eric Sansoni sans...@wharton.upenn.edu
Larry Latouf
I remember this sceen NOT being in the movie at all in 1983. I seen
the film 27 times total at the theater in '83. After, seening it the
first few times, there was already talk about the missing sceens
(ie. sceens from trading cards, posters, movie programs, the novel).
I specifically tried to identify all the missing sceens at the
theater. Among them were:
When Luke builds his new lightsaber.
The Rancor Pit sceen we are talking about here.
The walk for the Sarlac Pit back to the Falcon
and Lukes X-wing (Sandstorm sceen)
Part of the talk between Ben and Luke on Dagobagh
There are others, but I'm trying to do this from
memory, I don't have my list on me.
From what I know (this was released in 1983) the original cut of ROTJ
was nearly three hours long. Several sceens were cut so that the time
could be shortend. I believe also that some of the sceens were cut
simply because Lucas didn't want them in the movie (ie. part of the
Ben and Luke discussion on Dagobagh). So, yes the sceens were filmed,
but never made it into a "finished" movie. Bits and pieces are found
in various "making of" shows and books.
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Eric T. Cheng
: > Well the scene isn't in either of my ROTJ tapes (letterbox version and
: > regular version), and I don't remember the scene from when I last
: > seen the movie in the theatres.. but that was in like 1984 or so..
: > so I might have forgotten it. But I do have a picture of Luke hanging
: > from the grating in the Rancor pit right after he does his jump. I
: > scanned and posted the picture in this newsgroup earlier.. it was called
: > RancorPit.JPG.
Larry Latouf (lato...@gdls.com) wrote in response:
: I remember this sceen NOT being in the movie at all in 1983. I seen
: the film 27 times total at the theater in '83. After, seening it the
: first few times, there was already talk about the missing sceens
: (ie. sceens from trading cards, posters, movie programs, the novel).
I kinda remember the scene in which Luke does a Force-leap up the shaft
and up to the grate, only to be forced back down again. I think this
missing scene may have been shown on TV. Occasionally, the TV versions
actually may include missing scenes from the theatre version to fill up
the 2 hours slot.
: I specifically tried to identify all the missing sceens at the
: theater. Among them were:
: When Luke builds his new lightsaber.
Never heard of this scene.
: The Rancor Pit sceen we are talking about here.
Scene it.
: The walk for the Sarlac Pit back to the Falcon
: and Lukes X-wing (Sandstorm sceen)
I thought they flew back...?
: Part of the talk between Ben and Luke on Dagobagh
What do they talk about?
: Ben and Luke discussion on Dagobagh). So, yes the sceens were filmed,
: but never made it into a "finished" movie. Bits and pieces are found
: in various "making of" shows and books.
Not uncommon of movies to have many scenes wind up on the editing room
floor. Occasionally cut scenes from the theatrical version may be added
to the video release (ie. ST:VI where the SF colonel who debrief's the
Federation President scene was added and the scen where the Klingon
would-be assassin turned out to be the SF colonel in disguise).
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Glenn M. Saunders
: : When Luke builds his new lightsaber.
: Never heard of this scene.
: : The Rancor Pit sceen we are talking about here.
: Scene it.
: : The walk for the Sarlac Pit back to the Falcon
: : and Lukes X-wing (Sandstorm sceen)
: I thought they flew back...?
: : Part of the talk between Ben and Luke on Dagobagh
: What do they talk about?
Read the novelization