Lucasfilm vs Fan Web Pages
a9382
--- Begining of mail ---
subject: Starwars Site
date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 16:07:58 +0200
from: sac...@lucasfilm.com
cc: lega...@lucas.com
Starwars enthousiast,
After searching for "Starwars" on the web,
we have found several Starwars related sites including yours.
We appriciate your devotion to Starwars related material but
unfortunately, after deliberation with our legal department, we have
decided that it's unacceptable to us to tolerate unofficial
Starwars activities on the Internet.
So we realy urge you to close down your site and stop
making pages on the web wich contain Starwars related items.
If you still wonder why, we want to point out the fact that you're
abusing our Starwars trademarks and our models.
Considering the fact that our latest law suite resulted in a fine of
$10.000 a day for both creator and internet-provider of a Starwars
site,
we trust in your cooperation in this matter.
Most sincerly,
William Sacull
(executive director Lucas Films LTD).
--- End of mail ---
---The following is posted at Lucasarts site ---------
There has been quite a bit of confusion on the Internet regarding
Lucasfilm Ltd.'s position on Jason Ruspini's web page. Please allow
Lucasfilm Ltd. to clarify. First
and foremost, we are not shutting down Jason's website. We are sorry
for any confusion that may have emerged from any miscommunication on
our part.
Lucasfilm appreciates STAR WARS fans support and we want you to be
able to communicate with one another. Your energy and enthusiasm makes
you an
important part of our STAR WARS family. As you can understand, it is
important, as well, for Lucasfilm to protect the STAR WARS copyrights
and trademarks.
Since the Internet is growing so fast, we are in the process of
developing guidelines for how we can enhance the ability of STAR WARS
fans to communicate with
each other without infringing on STAR WARS copyrights and trademarks
and we hope to make these guidelines available in the near future.
As we prepare for the STAR WARS Trilogy Special Edition which will be
coming to theatres next year and as we begin pre-production on the
upcoming
prequels, we are now entering an exciting new STAR WARS era. Many
thanks for your continuing support and interest.
This statment was posted on April 26, 1996
-------------------------------------------------------------
Now, check the date of the E-mail. Lucasfilm is apparently continuing
the shuting down process despite the claim Lucasarts made about
guideline.
or maybe Lucasfilm and LucasArts have different idea about this issue.
Gus Lopez
In article <4n19eg$r...@joni.loop.net>, a9382 <a9...@surfnet.com> wrote:
>--- Begining of mail ---
>
>subject: Starwars Site
>date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 16:07:58 +0200
>from: sac...@lucasfilm.com
>cc: lega...@lucas.com
>
>Starwars enthousiast,
>
>After searching for "Starwars" on the web,
>we have found several Starwars related sites including yours.
>
>
>William Sacull
>(executive director Lucas Films LTD).
>
>--- End of mail ---
This is obviously a hoax. First of all, Sacull is Lucas spelled
backwards. Second, I highly doubt Lucas' legal team is as illiterate as
the person who composed this email. There are dozens of misspelled words
and the writing level is that of a sixth grader. Finally, it contradicts
their recent statement to rec.arts.sf.starwars.info.
Let's nip this one in the bud -- it's a hoax. It's a cinch to forge
email.
Gus
--
_____________________________________________________________________________
Gus Lopez lo...@cs.washington.edu
Visit the Star Wars Collectors Archive (updated frequently):
http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/lopez/collectors.html
David A Koran
Excerpts from netnews.rec.arts.sf.starwars.misc: 11-May-96 Lucasfilm vs
Fan Web Pages by a9...@surfnet.com
> --- Begining of mail ---
>
> subject: Starwars Site
> date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 16:07:58 +0200
> from: sac...@lucasfilm.com
> cc: lega...@lucas.com
>
> Starwars enthousiast,
>
> After searching for "Starwars" on the web,
> we have found several Starwars related sites including yours.
> unfortunately, after deliberation with our legal department, we have
> decided that it's unacceptable to us to tolerate unofficial
> Starwars activities on the Internet.
> So we realy urge you to close down your site and stop
> making pages on the web wich contain Starwars related items.
> If you still wonder why, we want to point out the fact that you're
> abusing our Starwars trademarks and our models.
>
> Considering the fact that our latest law suite resulted in a fine of
> $10.000 a day for both creator and internet-provider of a Starwars
> site,
> we trust in your cooperation in this matter.
>
>
> William Sacull
> (executive director Lucas Films LTD).
Your mail is forged, here is the correct owners of those domains... enjoy...
Lucas Film Developing Labs, Inc. (LUCASFILM-DOM)
PO Box 7109
Pittsburgh, PA 14213
USA
Domain Name: LUCASFILM.COM
Administrative Contact:
Seibel, Sean (SS1627) ha...@NB.NET
1-800-571-4985
Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
Hathorne, Stephen L. (SH355) s...@NB.NET
412-373-8888
Record last updated on 28-Apr-96.
Record created on 28-Apr-96.
Domain servers in listed order:
PLATINUM.NB.NET 204.255.176.21
AUTOGRAF.NB.NET 204.255.176.22
LUCAS INTERNET PROFESSIONALS (LUCAS-DOM)
3876 N. BIRON DR.
WISCONSIN RAPIDS, WI 54494
Domain Name: LUCAS.COM
Administrative Contact:
Lucas, John R. (JL231) lu...@WIS.COM
715-421-1990 800-the-luke
Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
Brown, Brian (BB142) bbr...@NETPRO.NET
703-709-7500
Record last updated on 16-May-95.
Record created on 16-May-95.
Domain servers in listed order:
MUFFIN.WIS.COM 199.3.240.2
SQUEAKY.FREE.ORG 199.3.242.2
========================= David A. Koran =========================
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Monarch
> >
> >subject: Starwars Site
> >date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 16:07:58 +0200
> >from: sac...@lucasfilm.com
> >cc: lega...@lucas.com
> >
> >Starwars enthousiast,
> >
> >After searching for "Starwars" on the web,
> >we have found several Starwars related sites including yours.
> >
> >
> >William Sacull
> >(executive director Lucas Films LTD).
> >
>
> This is obviously a hoax. First of all, Sacull is Lucas spelled
> backwards. Second, I highly doubt Lucas' legal team is as illiterate as
> the person who composed this email. There are dozens of misspelled words
> and the writing level is that of a sixth grader. Finally, it contradicts
> their recent statement to rec.arts.sf.starwars.info.
>
> Let's nip this one in the bud -- it's a hoax. It's a cinch to forge
> email.
>
> Gus
>
> --
> _____________________________________________________________________________
> Gus Lopez lo...@cs.washington.edu
> Visit the Star Wars Collectors Archive (updated frequently):
> http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/lopez/collectors.html
So what is Lucasfilm's take on the web pages?
Mark
--
"When a man sits with a pretty girl for an hour, it seems like a
minute. But let him sit on a hot stove for a minute-and it's longer than
any hour. That's relativity.." -Albert Einstein...
Brewing Tea
>Also, why would someone write and say, "We searched for SW and found
>your Web site."? Would you care is someone came up to you on the
>street and said, "I looked in the phone book and found your phone
>number."? NO! Even if it IS someone important, it is still an inane
>message.
>> So what is Lucasfilm's take on the web pages?
>I said earlier that, in my HUMBLE opinion, Lucasfilm's "guidelines"
>were going to be nothing more than vague legalese and would amount to
>nothing.
>I am changing my HUMBLE opinion. In my NEW HUMBLE opinion, Lucasfilm
>will probably release nothing. They just said they would come up with
>"guidelines" to get Web-site owners off their backs. It is just a
>ploy. Just my two (2) cents (pennies).
FLAME!!!!!!! YOU IDIOT!!! You didn't even read the original post!!!
DON'T respond to something without READING it first!!!!
Sorry, I just had to flame myself. It's true. I DIDN'T read the
original post before responding. I take back what I said about he
message being stupid. It is not. I STILL think it's a forgery, but
what I said was dumb.
Also, I still hold to my HUMBLE opinion about the "guidelines". That
part is fine as it was written.
P.S. Why am I writing HUMBLE in all caps? Maybe Grant McDonald can
answer that for everyone. How 'bout it Grant?
Brewing Tea
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"I would not want to be Mr. T right now."
-Homer Simpson
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Brewing Tea
Monarch <pmon...@en.com> wrote:
>Gus Lopez wrote:
>>
>> In article <4n19eg$r...@joni.loop.net>, a9382 <a9...@surfnet.com> wrote:
>> >--- Begining of mail ---
>> >
>> >subject: Starwars Site
>> >date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 16:07:58 +0200
>> >from: sac...@lucasfilm.com
>> >cc: lega...@lucas.com
>> >
>> >Starwars enthousiast,
>> >
>> >After searching for "Starwars" on the web,
>> >we have found several Starwars related sites including yours.
>> >
>> >Most sincerly,
>> >
>> >William Sacull
>> >(executive director Lucas Films LTD).
>> >
>> >--- End of mail ---
>> Let's nip this one in the bud -- it's a hoax. It's a cinch to forge
>> email.
Also, why would someone write and say, "We searched for SW and found
your Web site."? Would you care is someone came up to you on the
street and said, "I looked in the phone book and found your phone
number."? NO! Even if it IS someone important, it is still an inane
message.
> So what is Lucasfilm's take on the web pages?
I said earlier that, in my HUMBLE opinion, Lucasfilm's "guidelines"
were going to be nothing more than vague legalese and would amount to
nothing.
I am changing my HUMBLE opinion. In my NEW HUMBLE opinion, Lucasfilm
will probably release nothing. They just said they would come up with
"guidelines" to get Web-site owners off their backs. It is just a
ploy. Just my two (2) cents (pennies).
Brewing Tea
GuriX
>>Subject: Lucasfilm vs Fan Web Pages
From: a9...@surfnet.com (a9382)
Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 04:24:54 GMT
Message-ID: <4n19eg$r...@joni.loop.net>
--- Begining of mail ---
subject: Starwars Site
date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 16:07:58 +0200
from: sac...@lucasfilm.com
cc: lega...@lucas.com
Starwars enthousiast,
After searching for "Starwars" on the web,
we have found several Starwars related sites including yours.
We appriciate your devotion to Starwars related material but
unfortunately, after deliberation with our legal department, we have
decided that it's unacceptable to us to tolerate unofficial
Starwars activities on the Internet.
So we realy urge you to close down your site and stop
making pages on the web wich contain Starwars related items.
If you still wonder why, we want to point out the fact that you're
abusing our Starwars trademarks and our models.
Considering the fact that our latest law suite resulted in a fine of
$10.000 a day for both creator and internet-provider of a Starwars
site,
we trust in your cooperation in this matter.
Most sincerly,
William Sacull
(executive director Lucas Films LTD).
--- End of mail ---
---The following is posted at Lucasarts site ---------
I have been keeping a close eye on the web site situation and when I was
e-mailed a copy of this letter I was sure LucasFilm was saying one thing
and doing another. It wasn't until I ran a spell check on my own letter
(which included the original post) that I noticed all the spelling errors.
I doubt that a LucasFilms executive director would spell so badly (or at
the very least not know how to run a spell checker).
I agree... this post is a hoax.
But IMHO... I am not convinced that LucasArts is planning on handing out
some web site guidelines and then leaving us alone. If that were the
case.. why was the site at UPENN "asked" to discontinue? Why didn't
LucasFilm work with them to keep the site open? LucasFilms' response to
the closing of the UPENN site does NOT say WHY it was taken off the
internet. Anyone know ????
I am keeping an eye on this situation and the actions of LucasFilm. My
hope is that they DO work with the web site administrators. I would prefer
to work WITH LucasFilm and believe in their right to protect themselves in
a lawsuit happy country. I also respect the necessity of LucasFilm to
protect their copyrights.
But at the same time I feel that the fan's should be allowed to share
their love and enjoyment of Star Wars on the internet. I don't know about
the rest of you, but I have every book ever published, shelves full of
toys, a box full of the SW:CCG cards, the letter box AND pan & scan
versions of all three movies, tons of LucasArts software and I ordered my
Star Wars checks yesterday :) I have a lot of $$ invested here.
While we all wait on a final word from LucasFilm regarding their fan
created web site policy, I am keeping in contact with those interested in
this issue so that we can keep each other informed.
I welcome anyone with TRUTHFUL information to share it. Those who just
want to stir up trouble are asked to keep it to themselves.
Fly Casual
Deborah
Gu...@aol.com
The Star Wars Fan Fiction Page
http://www.ftech.net/~monark/starwars/sw.htm
or
http://www2.psyber.com/~debra/sw.htm
Fred
Brewing Tea wrote:
> I am staying with my HUMBLE opinion. Lucasfilm
> will probably release lots. They just said they would come up with
> "guidelines" in addtion to what they release, to get Web-site owners
>off their backs. It is just smart business.
> Just my two (2) cents (pennies).
>
> Brewing Tea
> ---I have to diaagree, I don't think that they will release anything. It
isn't smart business.
Fred
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Brewing Tea
>Brewing Tea wrote:
>> I am staying with my HUMBLE opinion. Lucasfilm
>> will probably release lots. They just said they would come up with
>> "guidelines" in addtion to what they release, to get Web-site owners
>>off their backs. It is just smart business.
>> Just my two (2) cents (pennies).
>>
>> Brewing Tea
>> ---I have to diaagree, I don't think that they will release anything. It
>isn't smart business.
IS THIS A JOKE!?!?!?!?!?
You completely butchered my message!!! To anyone reading the above
for the first time, I, Brewing Tea, did NOT write what is written
here. Someone (Fred, I think) changed it, for some reason.
To make a joke? I don't get it. To make a point?
Whatever your reason, please tell me what it was. I am not angry,
just confused.
Ray & Kelly Frieders
GuriX wrote:
> While we all wait on a final word from LucasFilm regarding their fan
> created web site policy, I am keeping in contact with those interested in
> this issue so that we can keep each other informed.
What about fan fic? Have any author's received warnings (real or
hoax) or is it just WWW?
> The Star Wars Fan Fiction Page
> http://www.ftech.net/~monark/starwars/sw.htm
Great page!
--Kelly
Eric Schaetzlein
> >> >
> >> >subject: Starwars Site
> >> >date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 16:07:58 +0200
> >> >from: sac...@lucasfilm.com
> >> >cc: lega...@lucas.com
> >> >
> >> >Starwars enthousiast,
> >> >
> >> >After searching for "Starwars" on the web,
> >> >we have found several Starwars related sites including yours.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >William Sacull
> >> >(executive director Lucas Films LTD).
> >> >
> >> >--- End of mail ---
lega...@lucasfilm.com...sure, this looks nice, but:
Lucas Film Developing Labs, Inc. (LUCASFILM-DOM)
PO Box 7109
Pittsburgh, PA 14213
USA
Domain Name: LUCASFILM.COM
Administrative Contact:
Seibel, Sean (SS1627) ha...@NB.NET
1-800-571-4985
Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
Hathorne, Stephen L. (SH355) s...@NB.NET
412-373-8888
Record last updated on 28-Apr-96.
Record created on 28-Apr-96.
Domain servers in listed order:
PLATINUM.NB.NET 204.255.176.21
AUTOGRAF.NB.NET 204.255.176.22
This ain't George's Lucasfilm, no?
And it is much too obvious to be a "blue harvest"-like
disguise for the real LucasFilm Ltd.
-Eric.
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Heggemon
> >> >subject: Starwars Site
> >> >date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 16:07:58 +0200
> >> >from: sac...@lucasfilm.com
> >> >cc: lega...@lucas.com
> >> >
> >> >Starwars enthousiast,
> >> >
> >> >After searching for "Starwars" on the web,
> >> >we have found several Starwars related sites including yours.
> >> >
> >> >Most sincerly,
> >> >
> >> >William Sacull
> >> >(executive director Lucas Films LTD).<<<
This message is nothing more then a cruel hoax. Lucasfilm hasn't shut
down any fans pages. I know this for a fact.
Jim Fisher
>lega...@lucasfilm.com...sure, this looks nice, but:
>Lucas Film Developing Labs, Inc. (LUCASFILM-DOM)
> PO Box 7109
> Pittsburgh, PA 14213
> USA
>This ain't George's Lucasfilm, no?
No... it doesn't look like it... I would hope that the LFL lawyers
would know that Star Wars is two words... and could spell a little
better. <g>
Jim Fisher
Star Wars Humor Page, winner of the Phil Award
http://www.epix.net/~killando