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ObiWan37

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Jun 30, 1997, 7:00:00 AM6/30/97
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Is there going to be an episodes 7,8,and 9? I heard this from a friend.
Would Mr. Lucas be cruel enough to make a trilogy after ROTJ? Would he
totally screw up the universe that so many fabulous authours have
established? I mean no disrespect what so ever to Mr. Lucas, for without
he, Star Wars wouldn't exist. I know he is free to do whatever he wants
with the Star Wars Universe, but wouldn't making 7,8,9 be going to far?

Karrde

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I know that a lot of people don't accept the novelizations as canon,
which, in my opinion, is a personal choice, but either way I was under
the impression that there was a sort of convention between Lucas and
the writers that the movies would be prior to ANH, and the books
after.
Now, maybe the books aren't canon, but a movie after JEdi would
completely go against anything the books did, as the canon would
change as soon as the movies were made.

Not that I would be against new movies, mind you <g>

Am I the *only* one who takes the books as canon? Gullible I may be,
but if it's in print, I believe it(exceptions being Weekly World News
and Timothy Jones posts). <wg>

Karrde

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"If we had some bruallki,
we could have bruallki and Menkooro,
....if we had some menkooro."
-Talon Karrde

"I bent my Wookie"
-Ralph Wiggum
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Tim Millington

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ObiWan37 <obiw...@aol.com> wrote in article
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> Is there going to be an episodes 7,8,and 9? I heard this from a
friend.
> Would Mr. Lucas be cruel enough to make a trilogy after ROTJ? Would he
> totally screw up the universe that so many fabulous authours have
> established? I mean no disrespect what so ever to Mr. Lucas, for without
> he, Star Wars wouldn't exist. I know he is free to do whatever he
wants
> with the Star Wars Universe, but wouldn't making 7,8,9 be going to far?


No disrespect to the authors of the Star Wars novels, but I'd have to say
that anything that takes them out in one fell swoop would best be described
as euthanasia :)


Thomas Joseph O'Neill

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In an article published in USA Today on January 31, 1997 (significant
date, eh? :) ) it was written that George Lucas "scrapped" plans for a
follow-uip trilogy. Now, I know that USA Today isn't *exactly* the most
reliable source for information, but I have no reason to doubt this.

ObiWan37 (obiw...@aol.com) wrote:
: Is there going to be an episodes 7,8,and 9? I heard this from a friend.

richard steeves

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ObiWan37 (obiw...@aol.com) wrote:
: Is there going to be an episodes 7,8,and 9? I heard this from a friend.
: Would Mr. Lucas be cruel enough to make a trilogy after ROTJ? Would he
: totally screw up the universe that so many fabulous authours have
: established? I mean no disrespect what so ever to Mr. Lucas, for without
: he, Star Wars wouldn't exist. I know he is free to do whatever he wants
: with the Star Wars Universe, but wouldn't making 7,8,9 be going to far?

Long ago, George Lucas mentioned that Star Wars thru Jedi was the
middle trilogy of a nine movie series. Recently, i read that blurb that
stated that Mr. Lucas had scrapped plans for the 3rd trilogy.
First of all, if he does decide to make the 3rd set of films, he
can easily avoid stepping on the heels of most of the books by setting the
films many years after Return of the Jedi (the film could be about Luke's
kid, and whether or not s/he will suffer the same fate as Luke's father).
This might cause a problem with the muber of kids that appear in the
current novels (he might give Han & Leia some, or not), but hey, they've
ignored a ton of Star Trek books in the past, haven't they?
The biggest problem I have with making a 3rd trilogy was stated by
Mr. Lucas himself. In the THX version of Empire Strikes Back, there is
that hideous interview with Leonard Maltin (okay, the interview's not that
bad, but I abhor the up-sucking critic...). Anyway, Mr. Lucas states a
pretty basic fact of trilogy making: in part one, you introduce everybody,
in part 2, you put them in a horrible position, and in part 3, they get
out (that's paraphrasin, of course). An example that readily springs to
mind is the Dragonlance trilogy. Mr. Lucas may have been talking about
the three films, but I think the same'd hold true for the set of
trilogies. It sounds to me like parts 1-3 will have a dark, troublesome
ending for the galaxy, while part 6 ended on a happy note. His middle
trilogy simply did not fit the mold, which, as I see it, doesn't leave as
much room for a follow up trilogy (but hey, George- prove me wrong!)
RICh

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JavaJawa/Ember/Talaranth

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Get clear, Karrde, you can't do any more good back there!:

: I know that a lot of people don't accept the novelizations as canon,


: which, in my opinion, is a personal choice, but either way I was under

: Not that I would be against new movies, mind you <g>

: Am I the *only* one who takes the books as canon? Gullible I may be,
: but if it's in print, I believe it(exceptions being Weekly World News
: and Timothy Jones posts). <wg>

I take the Zahn books as canon, but I take KJA as cannon fodder (at least
the YJK books, which are completely unreadable, I have tried), as well as
that Wolverton guy who wrote Courtship. I take anything which clearly
shows Fett's alive-ness as Questionable, but I take the --basic events--
(not the exact words) of Tales from the ME Cantina as canon because they
all agree with each other, and because it's fun to.

In other words, if it sounds more like a Fanfic than a real book, I
cannot take it as canon, and if GL says something which makes a book seem
non-canon I take it as non-canon, but I take the SE as non-canon because
I don't like it.

: Karrde

: "If we had some bruallki,


: we could have bruallki and Menkooro,
: ....if we had some menkooro."
: -Talon Karrde

Didn't Aves say the second part?

Marc A Gardner

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Thomas Joseph O'Neill wrote:

> In an article published in USA Today on January 31, 1997 (significant
> date, eh? :) ) it was written that George Lucas "scrapped" plans for a
>
> follow-uip trilogy. Now, I know that USA Today isn't *exactly* the
> most
> reliable source for information, but I have no reason to doubt this.
>

> ObiWan37 (obiw...@aol.com) wrote:
> : Is there going to be an episodes 7,8,and 9? I heard this from a
> friend.
> : Would Mr. Lucas be cruel enough to make a trilogy after ROTJ?
> Would he
> : totally screw up the universe that so many fabulous authours have
> : established? I mean no disrespect what so ever to Mr. Lucas, for
> without
> : he, Star Wars wouldn't exist. I know he is free to do whatever he
> wants
> : with the Star Wars Universe, but wouldn't making 7,8,9 be going to
> far?

On the contrary, he could set the 7,8,9 so many years past ROTJ, that
he could consider all the books written to have already happened. After
all he is setting the prequels @50 years before A new hope. SO he could
easily set 7,8,9 50 years past return of the Jedi(but he better hurry or
else the book will get there first)


Zem


ObiWan37

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I think all Young Reader books are non-canon, but KJA is a great author.
The Jedi Academy Trilogy is my fav books. You do you exclude Wolverton,
anyway?

Don Glass

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> On the contrary, he could set the 7,8,9 so many years past ROTJ, that
> he could consider all the books written to have already happened. After
> all he is setting the prequels @50 years before A new hope. SO he could
> easily set 7,8,9 50 years past return of the Jedi(but he better hurry or
> else the book will get there first)
>
> Zem

I think the original idea for the third trilogy was the return of
legends. Solo, Luke and Leia would be called upon to save the galaxy
once again and could they live up to their own mythical status.

I personally would rather have a third trilogy than a thousand crappy
Star Wars books. I gave up after reading the Star Wars Romance novel
"Courtship of Princess Leia". Fabio should not have a place within the
Star Wars universe.

Richard

thx...@juno.com

Shefali Asthana

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Anthony Siino wrote:

> I just couldn't deal with episodes 7,8,9 unless they had Fisher, Ford, &
> Hamill.

Hear, hear!

Shefali Asthana

I have a web page! (It sucks, though. Don't go to it.)
http://web.mit.edu/sasthana/www/index.html

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JavaJawa/Ember/Talaranth

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Get clear, ObiWan37, you can't do any more good back there!:
: I think all Young Reader books are non-canon, but KJA is a great author.

: The Jedi Academy Trilogy is my fav books. You do you exclude Wolverton,
: anyway?

I don't disrespect his ideas (KJA) but his way with words and basic
grammar points makes his earlier work unreadable. Darksaber was pretty
good, but that was one of his later books, and even there, there were a
few sentences which made me wonder about his sanity (The worst two being
the 'with an oddly familiar howl' or whatever which grammatically has
Luke howling like a Wampa, and Chewie 'blatting', which was a word which
was REALLY getting to me by only the third use >:) )

I enjoyed Courtship at first, but I began giving up on it when Luke
started acting like a messiah, and REALLY gave up when Han saw a monster,
screamed "Aaa!" and told one of the witches that "It was big and green!
It tried to eat me!" *EG*

I haven't been able to get my hands on any of the Jedi Academy trilogy,
but I can't read YJK. If the Tril. was after YJK, though, I might give it
a go.

JavaJawa

John Vann

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On Mon, 30 Jun 1997 04:21:48 GMT, the skies darkened, thunder struck, and
the words of Karrde echoed in our minds:

^> Is there going to be an episodes 7,8,and 9? I heard this from a friend.
^> Would Mr. Lucas be cruel enough to make a trilogy after ROTJ? Would he
^>totally screw up the universe that so many fabulous authours have
^>established? I mean no disrespect what so ever to Mr. Lucas, for without
^>he, Star Wars wouldn't exist. I know he is free to do whatever he wants
^>with the Star Wars Universe, but wouldn't making 7,8,9 be going to far?

The original plan was to make 9 movies in total. Granted, Lucas is a bit
late on proceeding with that plan and has made many an alteration to the
original script, but 9 movies was the plan before even the first movie was
released. It is referenced in the original Topps SW card series, so it's
not something Lucas only recently decided upon.

^I know that a lot of people don't accept the novelizations as canon,
^which, in my opinion, is a personal choice, but either way I was under
^the impression that there was a sort of convention between Lucas and
^the writers that the movies would be prior to ANH, and the books
^after.

The books aren't canon, nor are the comics for that matter. They never
were, so it's not a matter of personal choice but a fact of life. They are
permitted to be written and published because it's a good cash cow and
keeps the spirit of SW alive. The Bantam line of SW novelisations are
deliberately written to maintain some sort of continuity to make it more
interesting and less confusing (see quote below). Non-Bantam, post ROTJ
stories (i.e. Dark Horse comics), are essentially in a different universe
from Bantam, as Bantam is in a different one from LucasFilms. The fact
that we don't currently know what LFL's universe holds in store for us
doesn't make Bantam's or Dark Horse's universe the "real one". The
following is taken directly from the Bantam web site:

"In May 1991, Star Wars caused a sensation with the Bantam Spectra release
of Timothy Zahn's novel Heir to the Empire. For the first time, Lucasfilm
Ltd. had authorized new novels that continued the famous story told in
George Lucas's three blockbuster motion pictures: Star Wars, The Empire
Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi. Reader reaction was immediate and
tumultuous: Heir reached #1 on the New York Times bestseller list and
demonstrated that Star Wars lovers were eager for exciting new stories set
in this universe, written by leading science fiction authors who shared
their passion.

Lucasfilm and Bantam decided that future novels in the series would be
interconnected. That is, events in one novel would have consequences in the
others. You might say that each Bantam Star Wars novel, enjoyable on its
own, is also part of a much larger tale."

Note that Zahn's trilogy were the first published of the recent flurry of
books from Bantam, but not the first in the Bantam timeline.

^Now, maybe the books aren't canon, but a movie after JEdi would
^completely go against anything the books did, as the canon would
^change as soon as the movies were made.

See discussion above... the current line of books are not, and never were,
canon. They exist to tie us over, much as the Marvel comics and the pre-
ROTJ novels existed to keep up the interest between movies.

^Am I the *only* one who takes the books as canon? Gullible I may be,
^but if it's in print, I believe it(exceptions being Weekly World News
^and Timothy Jones posts). <wg>

Well, "Splinter of the Mind's Eye", which came out very shortly after ANH,
was completely blown out of the water the minute they began shooting ESB.
Do you still accept that as canon? To my knowledge, the only non-LFL
material that is essentially considered canon is SOTE, and the daily comic
strip by Archie Goodwin and Al Williamson, reprinted as the "Classic Star
Wars" comics from Dark Horse. I want to say that LFL officially declared
the strip canon, but I'm not sure. I'll need to read through those again
to see if it was mentioned by an editor. Anyways, that series chronicled
our heroes' adventures between ANH and ESB, and more accurately reproduced
the atmosphere and characterizations from the movies than any other works
I've read, IMO. Timothy Zahn is the only one who compares in that respect.

Bottom line... if you want to believe everything in print is canon.. be my
guest. But trust me, you'll be a lot less disappointed if you just simply
kick back and accept them for what they are.... time killers. And if you
get too hung up on pure canonical material, you're going to miss out on a
lot of good reading.
--
Till next time, as Yoda's cousin from the Bronx once said...
May da Foice be wid ya... BUB!
--------
John W. Vann

Mondak

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>
> : Am I the *only* one who takes the books as canon? Gullible I may be,
> : but if it's in print, I believe it(exceptions being Weekly World News
> : and Timothy Jones posts). <wg>

No matter how hard I try, I simply cannot truly believe in the books.
It definitely has something to do with the fact they are written for
12yr olds, and I feel like a git actually racing through them. Secondly
and most importantly, they hold _none_ of the magic that SW holds for
me. I don't particularly care for the characters pre, and post lives, I
care for the magic that happens in SW the _movie_.
My love is for the trip taken when I watch. There is no "trip" with the
books; therefore in my opinion they are not cannon.
Voila.

Mondak.

Rich Handley

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obiw...@aol.com (ObiWan37) wrote:
> I think all Young Reader books are non-canon, but KJA is a great author.
> The Jedi Academy Trilogy is my fav books. You do you exclude Wolverton,
>anyway?

For the records, the young adult novels are considered part of the
same continuity as the adult novels. In fact, The New Rebellion is a
prequel to Young Jedi Knights.


Sincerely,

Rich Handley (Card...@unix.asb.com)


Rich Handley

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Don Glass <m...@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>I personally would rather have a third trilogy than a thousand crappy
>Star Wars books. I gave up after reading the Star Wars Romance novel
>"Courtship of Princess Leia".

That's unfortunate -- you gave up on them pretty early. There have
been MANY books since then that have been better than Courtship. Give
'em a try!

Sincerely,

Rich Handley (Card...@unix.asb.com)


Rich Handley

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i.love...@mindspring.com (John Vann) wrote:
>The books aren't canon, nor are the comics for that matter. They never
>were, so it's not a matter of personal choice but a fact of life. They are
>permitted to be written and published because it's a good cash cow and
>keeps the spirit of SW alive. The Bantam line of SW novelisations are
>deliberately written to maintain some sort of continuity to make it more
>interesting and less confusing (see quote below). Non-Bantam, post ROTJ
>stories (i.e. Dark Horse comics), are essentially in a different universe
>from Bantam, as Bantam is in a different one from LucasFilms.

John, you are incorrect about this -- all licensed works are
considered part of the same continuity. When we write SW tales at the
Adventure Journal, for example, we are required to make sure we jibe
with what has come before at Bantam, Del Rey, Ballantine, Dark Horse,
etc. In fact, the Dark Empire, Tales of the Jedi, and X-wing comics
have been referenced numerous times in the books.


Sincerely,

Rich Handley (Card...@unix.asb.com)


oblio-1

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Aeons ago, on the memorable date of Tue, 01 Jul 1997 22:47:28 +1200,
the immortal Mondak wrote to all:


> No matter how hard I try, I simply cannot truly believe in the books.
>It definitely has something to do with the fact they are written for
>12yr olds, and I feel like a git actually racing through them. Secondly

i feel the same way. i enjoy reading just about all books, but the sw
ones seem like 'always in motion'. they are one possible outcome but i
don't think of them as cannon. I did enjoy reading sote, though. it
wasn't written that well, but it fit. it filled a void (albeit small).
I also like the comic books - mostly because they remind me of the
stories we used to put together using the original figures and ships
when we were younger.


>and most importantly, they hold _none_ of the magic that SW holds for
>me. I don't particularly care for the characters pre, and post lives, I
>care for the magic that happens in SW the _movie_.
>My love is for the trip taken when I watch. There is no "trip" with the
>books; therefore in my opinion they are not cannon.

we're spoiled. the movies are a complete package - the story, the
visuals, the support audio and soundtrack. Even though i can put on
the sw soundtrack and i know what most everyone looks like, they just
don't seem right. i can read any other book and visualize the story.
sw was just too much of an experience to simply read. even though i've
read the original trilogy, i can't read them again.

ok, now that i've repeated myself a few times, you get the idea...

>Mondak.

good to see you again!

--
oblio-1
what is thy bidding, my master

oblio-1

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Minutes ago, the oblio-1 wrote to all:

>don't think of them as cannon.

oops, i meant canon dagnabit


JavaJawa/Ember/Talaranth

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Get clear, oblio-1, you can't do any more good back there!:

=-> >don't think of them as cannon.
=-> oops, i meant canon dagnabit
Nitpicking youreslf?

Lucas says the books are to call on each other and exist in continuity
with each other but he never said ANYTHING about the movies in that !!! >:)

JavaJawa
The books and the movies be two seperate paths?
And can we decide which one is the dark path? >:)

John Vann

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On Wed, 2 Jul 1997 14:23:27 GMT, the skies darkened, thunder struck, and
the words of Rich Handley echoed in our minds:

^i.love...@mindspring.com (John Vann) wrote:
^>The books aren't canon, nor are the comics for that matter. They never
^>were, so it's not a matter of personal choice but a fact of life. They are
^>permitted to be written and published because it's a good cash cow and
^>keeps the spirit of SW alive. The Bantam line of SW novelisations are
^>deliberately written to maintain some sort of continuity to make it more
^>interesting and less confusing (see quote below). Non-Bantam, post ROTJ
^>stories (i.e. Dark Horse comics), are essentially in a different universe
^>from Bantam, as Bantam is in a different one from LucasFilms.
^
^John, you are incorrect about this -- all licensed works are
^considered part of the same continuity. When we write SW tales at the
^Adventure Journal, for example, we are required to make sure we jibe
^with what has come before at Bantam, Del Rey, Ballantine, Dark Horse,
^etc. In fact, the Dark Empire, Tales of the Jedi, and X-wing comics
^have been referenced numerous times in the books.

Oh really? Wow.... that's interesting. I haven't read many of the books,
but I am aware that the Bantam books were specifically written to jibe with
each other. I couldn't see how the Dark Empire series would jibe with the
books, at least not based on what I have read thus far, though certain
elements like the future children of Han and Leia were maintained. Of
course, I thought Dark Empire was horrible, so I do try not to think about
it much! ;^) I guess I have a lot of reading to do yet. Thanks for
setting me straight on that.

I am curious to know how, or if, Splinter of the Mind's Eye fits in. I've
forgotten much of it, but I know that it couldn't jibe with at least the
comic strip.

mdb

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Right back at ya, Don Glass <m...@postoffice.worldnet.att.net>.

>> On the contrary, he could set the 7,8,9 so many years past ROTJ, that
>> he could consider all the books written to have already happened. After
>> all he is setting the prequels @50 years before A new hope. SO he could
>> easily set 7,8,9 50 years past return of the Jedi(but he better hurry or
>> else the book will get there first)
>>
>> Zem
>
>I think the original idea for the third trilogy was the return of
>legends. Solo, Luke and Leia would be called upon to save the galaxy
>once again and could they live up to their own mythical status.
>

I would thnk the next trilogy would be the next generation, the
children of the two Skywalkers.

mdb

Did you ever kick a guy when he's down?
Uh no, I never have, thank you.
Oh, you've missed alot in life then.


The Dragon Reborn

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Karrde (Kar...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
: > Is there going to be an episodes 7,8,and 9? I heard this from a friend.
: > Would Mr. Lucas be cruel enough to make a trilogy after ROTJ? Would he
: >totally screw up the universe that so many fabulous authours have
: >established? I mean no disrespect what so ever to Mr. Lucas, for without
: >he, Star Wars wouldn't exist. I know he is free to do whatever he wants
: >with the Star Wars Universe, but wouldn't making 7,8,9 be going to far?

I doubt that we will ever see 7,8,9 due to a variety of factors, none of
which have anything to do with the books. I am amazed that anyone can
even read this trash, let alone consider it canon. The comment that
someone made about it being written on a 12 year old level is being
generous in my opinion. If Lucas ever does do 7,8 and 9 he would do the
world a serious favor if he totally ignored anything in the books. They
may make him money, but they do nothing to enhance the total SW
reputation.

Bill

Mondak

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JavaJawa/Ember/Talaranth wrote:

> JavaJawa
> The books and the movies be two seperate paths?
> And can we decide which one is the dark path? >:)

Now this is something to be pondered on!

Are the books dark because they detract from the movies? Or do they
compliment?
Or are the movies dark because they have become an obsession? Or do they
enhance the joy of life?
Are the books so taky they are dark? Or are they a good read..therefore
light?
Are the movies a silly portrayal of fantasy? Or are they wings on which
the imagination can fly?

Or am I full of Sh*t?

Mondak.

Rich Handley

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Hi, John,

>Oh really? Wow.... that's interesting. I haven't read many of the books,
>but I am aware that the Bantam books were specifically written to jibe with
>each other. I couldn't see how the Dark Empire series would jibe with the
>books, at least not based on what I have read thus far, though certain
>elements like the future children of Han and Leia were maintained.

Well, the first books to reference DE were Jedi Academy, which made
mention of the resurrected Emperor and Luke falling to the Dark Side.
In addition, Young Jedi Kngihts has followed up with the clone
Emperor's storyline. Incidentally, DE is set between HTTE and Jedi
Academy.

>Of course, I thought Dark Empire was horrible, so I do try not to think
>about it much! ;^) I guess I have a lot of reading to do yet. Thanks for
>setting me straight on that.

No problem! As for me, I think DE is the best storyline ever done by
Dark Horse, aside from The Phantom Affair, but that's just me. :)

>I am curious to know how, or if, Splinter of the Mind's Eye fits in. I've
>forgotten much of it, but I know that it couldn't jibe with at least the
>comic strip.

Splinter hasn't been mentioned in the current novels or comics that
much, aside from some stray references to the Kaiburr Crystal and the
Circarpous System. However, thanks to DH's adaptation, it's still in
the current storyline (although many fans disregard it because of the
Vader/Luke duel). Just out of curiosity, by the way, what
specifically in the comic strip are you referring to? I'm trying to
remember anything in the strips which contradicted Splinter, but I
can't seem to... hmmm...


Sincerely,

Rich Handley (Card...@unix.asb.com)


Rich Handley

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wcr...@indy.net (The Dragon Reborn) wrote:
>I doubt that we will ever see 7,8,9 due to a variety of factors, none of
>which have anything to do with the books. I am amazed that anyone can
>even read this trash, let alone consider it canon. The comment that
>someone made about it being written on a 12 year old level is being
>generous in my opinion. If Lucas ever does do 7,8 and 9 he would do the
>world a serious favor if he totally ignored anything in the books. They
>may make him money, but they do nothing to enhance the total SW
>reputation.


Just curious, Bill.... which of the books have you read? I'm willing
to bet you've only read a few (though I could be wrong), because many
of them have been fantastic.

As far as not enhancing the SW reputation, I don't understand what you
mean by this. The books have beena major factor in the re-birth of
the franchise, so I'd say they have a LOT to do with enhancing the
reputation of SW.

Sincerely,

Rich Handley (Card...@unix.asb.com)


John Vann

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On Fri, 4 Jul 1997 03:19:39 GMT, the skies darkened, thunder struck, and
the words of Rich Handley echoed in our minds:

^Well, the first books to reference DE were Jedi Academy, which made
^mention of the resurrected Emperor and Luke falling to the Dark Side.
^In addition, Young Jedi Kngihts has followed up with the clone
^Emperor's storyline. Incidentally, DE is set between HTTE and Jedi
^Academy.

^Splinter hasn't been mentioned in the current novels or comics that
^much, aside from some stray references to the Kaiburr Crystal and the
^Circarpous System. However, thanks to DH's adaptation, it's still in
^the current storyline (although many fans disregard it because of the
^Vader/Luke duel). Just out of curiosity, by the way, what
^specifically in the comic strip are you referring to? I'm trying to
^remember anything in the strips which contradicted Splinter, but I
^can't seem to... hmmm...

I haven't read SOTME in quite some time (~18 years!), but basically the
whole Luke/Vader duel from SOTME is the biggie contradiction to me. It
seemed that it also developed a more intimate Luke/Leia relationship, but
Clssic SW shows how Luke got over his infatuation with Leia. Also, Classic
Star Wars simply outlines how Vader came to learn of Luke's involvement
with the Rebellion. I forget how in depth that gets... am re-reading those
issues now... but I don't recall them actually meeting until ESB.

--
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May da Foice be wid ya... BUB!
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On Tue, 01 Jul 1997 22:47:28 +1200, Mondak <mon...@ihug.co.nz> wrote:

> No matter how hard I try, I simply cannot truly believe in the books.
>It definitely has something to do with the fact they are written for
>12yr olds, and I feel like a git actually racing through them.

_De gustibus non est disputandum_, but just as a matter of correcting
the record, the only books which are -overtly- written for the Young
Adult age group are the Anderson/Moesta Young Jedi Knights books. The
Bantam series is considered the adult line, and I know that for my own
part, I had in mind a reader closer to 32 (or 42) than to 12--that is,
a reader who's been aging/maturing right along with Han, Leia, and
Luke. I'm delighted that a lot of younger readers report liking the
BLACK FLEET books, but I didn't do anything to tailor the trilogy to
their interests and sensibilities.

Best,

K-Mac

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John Vann

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On 3 Jul 1997 13:23:07 GMT, the skies darkened, thunder struck, and the
words of The Dragon Reborn echoed in our minds:

^Karrde (Kar...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
^: > Is there going to be an episodes 7,8,and 9? I heard this from a friend.
^: > Would Mr. Lucas be cruel enough to make a trilogy after ROTJ? Would he
^: >totally screw up the universe that so many fabulous authours have
^: >established? I mean no disrespect what so ever to Mr. Lucas, for without
^: >he, Star Wars wouldn't exist. I know he is free to do whatever he wants
^: >with the Star Wars Universe, but wouldn't making 7,8,9 be going to far?
^
^I doubt that we will ever see 7,8,9 due to a variety of factors, none of
^which have anything to do with the books. I am amazed that anyone can
^even read this trash, let alone consider it canon. The comment that
^someone made about it being written on a 12 year old level is being
^generous in my opinion. If Lucas ever does do 7,8 and 9 he would do the
^world a serious favor if he totally ignored anything in the books. They
^may make him money, but they do nothing to enhance the total SW
^reputation.

Not all of the books are written on that level. Admittedly, I've only read
the Zahn trilogy and Tales from Mos Eisley thus far, but those are hardly
written to cater to kids, IMO. I have been a little reluctant to read
further, in part because I've read concerns like yours for some of the
books, and it certainly holds true for some of the comics I've read, but it
is by no means true for all of the books, even if the Zahn trilogy may be
the only exception!

If anyone else could recommend some other top-notch books, I'd like some
opinions. TIA!

Gerthein Boersma

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"Shefali Asthana <sast...@replace.this.with.mit.edu.to.reply>, if I
may venture an opinion..."

>Anthony Siino wrote:

>> I just couldn't deal with episodes 7,8,9 unless they had Fisher, Ford, &
>> Hamill.

>Hear, hear!

I couldn't deal with 7,8,9 if they did have Fisher Ford and Hamill!
Not only would they be way too old, they would screw up the
trilogy-of-trilogies idea that all trilogies focus on a different era.
Perhaps Hamill should have a role (as Obi-Wan had one in 4-6), but
that's pretty much it...


- Gerthein (-o-)
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Gerthein Boersma

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"Card...@unix.asb.com (Rich Handley), if I may venture an opinion..."


>No problem! As for me, I think DE is the best storyline ever done by
>Dark Horse, aside from The Phantom Affair, but that's just me. :)

Says more about DH than it does about DE's quality, unfortunatly...

Personally, I feel that actually all of the X-Wing comics were
superior to DE. Oh, and I like the Boba Fett comics too. Note that I
do like DE, BTW.

Michael P. Kube-McDowell

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John Whelan

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Gerthein Boersma (gert...@worldaccess.nl) wrote:
: I couldn't deal with 7,8,9 if they did have Fisher Ford and Hamill!

: Not only would they be way too old, they would screw up the
: trilogy-of-trilogies idea that all trilogies focus on a different era.
: Perhaps Hamill should have a role (as Obi-Wan had one in 4-6), but
: that's pretty much it...

The prequels will have more characters in common with the current trilogy
than merely Obi-wan. It will also have Vader, Palpatine, Yoda and
possibly Owen, Tarkin, Threepio, R2.

Perhaps Hamill will not show up in the sequels til Episode 9 when the
villain is finally unmasked....

John W.


Michael P. Kube-McDowell

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Stef & Delee

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According to an interview I saw with George earlier this year. The
sequels will NOT be made within his lifetime. Perhaps one of his
children will take the helm for the sequels. I don't think anyone could
ever do the movies justice the way George could though.


Gerthein Boersma

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"Asteroids do not concern me, jbwh...@dorsai.org (John Whelan). I
want that ship, not excuses."

>Gerthein Boersma (gert...@worldaccess.nl) wrote:
>: I couldn't deal with 7,8,9 if they did have Fisher Ford and Hamill!
>: Not only would they be way too old, they would screw up the
>: trilogy-of-trilogies idea that all trilogies focus on a different era.
>: Perhaps Hamill should have a role (as Obi-Wan had one in 4-6), but
>: that's pretty much it...

>The prequels will have more characters in common with the current trilogy
>than merely Obi-wan. It will also have Vader, Palpatine, Yoda and
>possibly Owen, Tarkin, Threepio, R2.

Well yes, but they focus on Obi-Wan, who now serves as a link between
the prequels and 4-6: hero of 1-3, mentor in 4 (and 5,6.. for a bit).
The prequels will explain Vader's backstory but doesn't "re-use" the
character in the way a Solo-Leia-Luke story would re-use those. All
the other characters you mention aren't leads.

I think it would screw up the epicness if the Solo-Leia-Luke trio
would have a few more adventures in 7-9, rather than focussing on
another generation, another era, and another war.

>Perhaps Hamill will not show up in the sequels til Episode 9 when the
>villain is finally unmasked....

Possible. There have been a lot of rumors about Ep.9 featuring Hamill.
However, the latest of these was that he'd have an Obi-Wan-like
"passing on Excalibur" role. Whatever that may mean.

usher

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Kar...@ix.netcom.com (Karrde) eloquently scribbled:

>Am I the *only* one who takes the books as canon?

Nope. I, for one, do too. I figure the deal GL has with BDD is just as good as
him signing them himself.

usher
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NHerr10280

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The books help SW addicts survive. Deep down you know the movies are the
only reality.

James McIntyre

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ObiWan37 wrote:

> Is there going to be an episodes 7,8,and 9? I heard this from a
> friend.

> Would Mr. Lucas be cruel enough to make a trilogy after ROTJ? Would
> he

> totally screw up the universe that so many fabulous authours have

> established? I mean no disrespect what so ever to Mr. Lucas, for
> without

> he, Star Wars wouldn't exist. I know he is free to do whatever he
> wants

> with the Star Wars Universe, but wouldn't making 7,8,9 be going to
> far?

I don't see how you can take the books over the movie! Sure the books
are good but they just dont capture the magic of the originals and I and
most of the viewing public would be delighted to relive the magic.


ES Grey

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There are a few ways to make the movies without screwing over the books,
IMO. As we have seen with the books, you can always *squeeze* a trilogy
in somewhere. This assumes Lucas would go with the SW that Timothy Zahn
created. I could see it. Although I don't think he could get 1-2-3-7
done fast enough to have the room.

Also, he could make the 7-8-9 trilogy set very far in the future, like
when the Jedi twins Jacen and Jaina are much older, say from 30 to very
very old. Luke could even still be alive, and living somewhat like
Yoda. I think this would be the best option, because it would have
little to do with the novel story lines, and it would keep the scope of
the tale large and legendary.

Besides, although we know that Zahn's idea was not Lucas's plan
following ROTJ, how do we know they did not think ahead and somehow make
them consistent?

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Lori and Bryan

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Whatever Lucas writes is the gospel I will go by.

cor...@ridgecrest.ca.us

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ES Grey <egr...@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:

<SNIP>

>Besides, although we know that Zahn's idea was not Lucas's plan
>following ROTJ, how do we know they did not think ahead and somehow make
>them consistent?

My understanding is that *all* the novels get the final nod from Lucas
- George may not have written the book, but he is the architect of the
storyline.

Tim


Michael P. Kube-McDowell

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I don't know that "architect of the storyline" quite covers it.

The final step in the development process for a Bantam novel outline
is when it's submitted to Lucas personally for his approval/comments.
But the outline is 90-99% the work of the named author (allowing for
some input from the Bantam editor and the Lucasfilm continuity folks).

So Lucas has not been actively involved in -creating- the post-ROTJ
storyline, but he is personally involved in reviewing and approving
it. No novel-sized block is added to the edifice without his blessing,
but that blessing comes at the outline stage.

Best,

K-Mac

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KdgnCop

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it would be cool to see Timothy Zahn's 3 books made into trilogy

Max Silvestri

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[crossposted to rassm and email]

It just so happed that on Mon, 21 Jul 1997 14:09:09 GMT, everybody's
favorite horn-playing dwarf K-...@worldnet.att.net (Michael P.
Kube-McDowell) wrote:


>I don't know that "architect of the storyline" quite covers it.
>
>The final step in the development process for a Bantam novel outline
>is when it's submitted to Lucas personally for his approval/comments.
>But the outline is 90-99% the work of the named author (allowing for
>some input from the Bantam editor and the Lucasfilm continuity folks).
>
>So Lucas has not been actively involved in -creating- the post-ROTJ
>storyline, but he is personally involved in reviewing and approving
>it. No novel-sized block is added to the edifice without his blessing,
>but that blessing comes at the outline stage.
>
>Best,
>
> K-Mac

K-Mac -

Do you know which, if any, of the Bantam author's storylines
have been frowned upon by Lucas, but given the green light anyway?
I'm not asking if stories were out of continuity, but if Lucas did not
care for them but let them go anyway because they fit into the
timeline, etc.

Thanks.
--
Max
the.fl...@worldnet.att.net

Michael P. Kube-McDowell

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On Mon, 21 Jul 1997 16:31:14 GMT, the.fl...@worldnet.att.net (Max
Silvestri) wrote:

>K-Mac -
>
> Do you know which, if any, of the Bantam author's storylines
>have been frowned upon by Lucas, but given the green light anyway?
>I'm not asking if stories were out of continuity, but if Lucas did not
>care for them but let them go anyway because they fit into the
>timeline, etc.


My understanding is that if Lucas frowns on an outline, it doesn't get
the green light--it goes back to the author for major body work. I
don't know that as a work-in-the-next-office Lucasfilm insider, mind
you--but it is the impression I was given while waiting to hear what
he thought of _mine_.

Best,

K-Mac

Robert Brown

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> > I don't see how you can take the books over the movie! Sure the books
> > are good but they just dont capture the magic of the originals and I and
> > most of the viewing public would be delighted to relive the magic.

and THIS is simply the last word!
STARWARS *is* the magic - the novels aint.

I suggest you read the following web page:

http://www.synicon.com.au/sw/myth/myth.htm

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