Lando's death scene
Nod
heard about the so called original ending to ROTJ where he dies. There's no
way an ending could have been filmed where Lando dies with out Billy Dee
knowing (It would have been in the script).
Nod
Hunter
Huh? I thought it was test-screened for an audience and they didn't
like it. Can quintessential Mr. Tringali shed some light on this?
Hunter
"Snakes have no arms...that's why they don't wear vests."
-Steven Wright
trin...@refine.enet.dec.com
Nod wrote :
>> In Star Wars Galaxay Magazine # 4 Billy Dee Williams
>> states that he never ever heard about the so called
>> original ending to ROTJ where he dies. There's no
>> way an ending could have been filmed where Lando dies
>> with out Billy Dee knowing (It would have been in the script).
Hunter replied :
> Huh? I thought it was test-screened for an audience and they didn't
> like it. Can quintessential Mr. Tringali shed some light on this?
Ryan Silva maintains an extensive listing of ALL the lost scenes.
You can email him at talky...@aol.com for the latest version of
his Lost Scenes document, or point your WWW browser at:
http://www.cs.utk.edu:80/~ereynold/cgi-bin/swcut.cgi
I appreciate the compliments. Keep them coming.
Cheers,
--Jake
trin...@refine.enet.dec.com
michael schreiber
: Nod wrote :
: >> In Star Wars Galaxay Magazine # 4 Billy Dee Williams
: >> states that he never ever heard about the so called
: >> original ending to ROTJ where he dies. There's no
: >> way an ending could have been filmed where Lando dies
: >> with out Billy Dee knowing (It would have been in the script).
: Hunter replied :
: > Huh? I thought it was test-screened for an audience and they didn't
: > like it. Can quintessential Mr. Tringali shed some light on this?
: Ryan Silva maintains an extensive listing of ALL the lost scenes.
: You can email him at talky...@aol.com for the latest version of
: his Lost Scenes document, or point your WWW browser at:
: http://www.cs.utk.edu:80/~ereynold/cgi-bin/swcut.cgi
When Lando blew up the death star, originally he never made it out. He
got caught in the explosion. remember on the base right before they
take the stolen shuttle craft to endor when han says to
Leah, "I've got a funny feeling... like I'm never going to see her
again." He's obviously talking about the falcon as the writers attempt
to forshadow lando's death. Plus, if the falcon had been blown up then
lando's annoying little copilot would have been blown up too. I
maintain that the only reason they put this guy in the movie in the
first place is so they could kill him later.
Mike
st...@elroy.uh.edu
>mgoa...@julian.uwo.ca (Nod) wrote:
>
>>In Star Wars Galaxay Magazine # 4 Billy Dee Williams states that he never ever
>>heard about the so called original ending to ROTJ where he dies. There's no
>>way an ending could have been filmed where Lando dies with out Billy Dee
>>knowing (It would have been in the script).
>
>Huh? I thought it was test-screened for an audience and they didn't
>like it. Can quintessential Mr. Tringali shed some light on this?
>
>"Snakes have no arms...that's why they don't wear vests."
>-Steven Wright
>
and explodes" so Billy Dee actually didn't need to act anything out for the
death scene & he forgot in the interview about that since he didn't act it
out???
G.W.Davies
> In Star Wars Galaxay Magazine # 4 Billy Dee Williams states that he never ever
> heard about the so called original ending to ROTJ where he dies. There's no
> way an ending could have been filmed where Lando dies with out Billy Dee
> knowing (It would have been in the script).
> Nod
>
>
Yes....but weren't the actors given only certain sections of script that
they needed, so that plot lines wouldn't be given away. Everything up to
the Falcon's escape would be in BDW's script, and as far as I remember,
he only has one line during the Ewok celebrations. For an ending where
Lando dies, all that would be different would be that an effects shot of
the Falcon being destroyed would be made, and Lando would be edited out
of the Ewok scenes. Which wouldn't be too hard. And maybe some extra
footage of Han, Leia and Luke mourning him, which of course he wouldn't
need to be in! So this still doesn't rule out the possibility that it wa
actually filmed (probably partially).
Whatever, I personally think that this would have made a much better
ending. ROTJ is just too happy!
Gareth
Peter Ferguson
>first place is so they could kill him later.
Kill Nien Nuub ? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Maniac
>In article <3uifcg$6...@eri1.erinet.com>, hit...@erinet.com (Hunter) writes:
>>
>>>In Star Wars Galaxay Magazine # 4 Billy Dee Williams states that he never
ever
>>>heard about the so called original ending to ROTJ where he dies. There's
no
>>>way an ending could have been filmed where Lando dies with out Billy Dee
>>>knowing (It would have been in the script).
>>> Nod
>>
>>like it. Can quintessential Mr. Tringali shed some light on this?
>>Hunter
>>
>>"Snakes have no arms...that's why they don't wear vests."
>>-Steven Wright
>>
>Maybe the script said something like "Millenium Falcon is engulfed in flames
>and explodes" so Billy Dee actually didn't need to act anything out for the
>death scene & he forgot in the interview about that since he didn't act it
>out???
Theres an easy way to solve this. Was he in the final sceen where all the
caracters are standing together(I don't remember). If he was not it is
probably because he was suppost to be dead and after the screening cut it out
and never added him to the last shot. If he was there than he was probably
never ment to die. It is also strange that Han would say what he said IF the
Falcon was always suppost to survive.
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clapping away to that lousy ewok-chirped music. BTW - IMHO, that has
to be the worst scene in all of the films! Talk about destroying the
suspension of disbelief - JEEZ!
Cheech
matte him into the long range shots and re-do the close-ups-Cheech
Edward Havens
remember the original question. In the first cut of ROTJ,
Lando did indeed die, along with Nien Nuub and the Falcon.
That's why Han had the feeling that he was never going to
see it again (Great, more concern over a flying scrapeheap
than for a fellow human being. That Han, whatta guy).
Lucas had a recruited screening of that cut (I believe it
was at the Northpoint in San Francisco, where he did a
recruited screening of ANH a month before that film opened),
and the audience was not ready to see Lando die. (Or,
maybe that audience cared too much for the blasted ship).
Eitehr way, a quick reshoot was scheduled and the film ends
as we all know it.
(Sorry, that's EITHER)
So, that's that. Lando cheats death and gets gets to disco
down with Warrick and the clan. LANDO WAS CHEATED!!!
--
"Have you got a 27B/6?" - Sam Lowry
Jay Penn01
"G.W.Davies" <uge...@alpha.qmw.ac.uk> writes:
>Yes....but weren't the actors given only certain sections of script that
>they needed, so that plot lines wouldn't be given away. Everything up to
>the Falcon's escape would be in BDW's script, and as far as I remember,
>he only has one line during the Ewok celebrations. For an ending where
>Lando dies, all that would be different would be that an effects shot of
>the Falcon being destroyed would be made, and Lando would be edited out
>of the Ewok scenes. Which wouldn't be too hard. And maybe some extra
>footage of Han, Leia and Luke mourning him, which of course he wouldn't
>need to be in! So this still doesn't rule out the possibility that it wa
>actually filmed (probably partially).
I have a version of the script that contains both "Lando lives" pages and
"Lando dies" pages. When Han & Leia watch the DS explode, Han gets somber
and says "Lando". Whether this was filmed, I don't know. There is also a
note saying something like "disregard references to Lando in the final
scene"!!
My take on it is this:
They were big on secrecy (obviously) and actors only got script pages of
their lines, nothing more, from what I understand. (Either that, or they
got "generic" scripts without the juicy details like Luke & Leia being
siblings, etc. Remember that Dave Prowse didn't know Vader was Luke's
father even after filming the scene for EBS!)
So they intended to kill Lando, but most people (perhaps even Billy Dee)
got the generic scripts which included Lando in the Ewok celebration. Thus
the "disregard references" note on one of the "secret" pages involving his
death. Then they filmed it both ways for good measure.
As much as I'd hate to see the Falcon explode (forbid!!!), Lando,
thematically speaking, "should" have died. He had a betrayal to face the
music for (yes, I know he had no choice, but still...) and blowing up with
the DS would be both payment and an honorable sacrifice. And then there
was the foreshadowing someone else mentioned. And I remember an interview
with a producer or someone in Starlog where he hinted that they killed
some characters off. (True, Yoda and Vader certainly count.)
-Jay Pennington
trin...@refine.enet.dec.com
Edward said that the Lando death scene was shot,
placed in the film, shown to test audiences, and
then taken out before the major release of the film.
However, he neglects to say what his source of
information is. While I'm sure that Ed would not
deliberately lie to us, he may be misinformed.
Ed, please, what's your source?
Thanks,
--Jake
trin...@refine.enet.dec.com
(From what I understand from various Star Wars fans, it
that the Lando death scene was never shot, but it was in
an earlier version of the script. But we don't know for
sure. When I get a definitive answer, I'll place it in the FAQ.)
Juan Avila
From Edward Havens <7637...@CompuServe.COM>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars.misc
Subject: Re: Lando's death scene
Date: 27 Jul 1995 08:07:29 GMT
>That's why Han had the feeling that he was never going to
>see it again (Great, more concern over a flying scrapeheap
>than for a fellow human being. That Han, whatta guy).
Actually, from the cut scene Han on endor is shown after the Death Star blows,
and he simply says "Lando..."
I think the concern was there.
>So, that's that. Lando cheats death and gets gets to disco
>down with Warrick and the clan. LANDO WAS CHEATED!!!
I definitely agree, this ending would have made the movie that much better. Jedi
would have pulled its center from those shitty hair-balls to the horror and
sadness of war.
Excellent post though, but you shouldn't have flamed on...
>--
>"Have you got a 27B/6?" - Sam Lowry
No I have no banannas today...
Juanito
Edward Havens
Han's concern for his ship and not his friend. I was hoping that
the sarcasm was evident. Oh well.
BTW, I heard that LucasFilm is working on a new computer game,
called DIE, FURBALL, DIE!!!! You are the leader of a rebel assualt
team who is sent down to Endor to kill every last one of them
stinking Ewoks.
Edward
PS: Again, I am being sarcastic.