I AM IN THE CREDITS, I AM IN THE FILM
Blayne Henson
everyone to applaud the realization of your dream.
I do though. and congratulations
but I can agree the all those posts were unnecessary.
once again congratulations
I would love to have been in your shoes
Wes Hutchings
anything posted by him.
Instead you decided to get in another jab at him.
Since you didn't read it. You don't know what he said and therefore missed
a lot of why's and reasons for what he did that so disturbed your world.
That someone posting a question 5 times so ruined your day.
Also since you didn't read it. You missed the part where he said that any of
you can make any comments you like, because he won't be here to read them.
The most interesting part to me is that you don't have the time to read his
post , because you're "...not that bored..." You do how ever have the time
to post a response to a subject you don't know anything about.
wes
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In article <RlH13.21$Nm4....@news03.micron.net.>, "Preston Crawford"
<pres...@micron.net> wrote:
> I didn't read all your post, because I'm not that bored and I do have a
> life. Let me just say, though, that after seeing post after post from you,
> asking about whether you were in the movie and now this, guess
> what.................
>
> I still don't care. Good for you. Why do I have to read a post everyday
> about this??
>
> Preston
>
>
ro...@postoffice.swbell.net
with the other pilots.
rot6
CJSNet wrote:
> This message is to everyone who had something bad to say to me about posting
> my request for news about whether or not I, or my name, was in The Phantom
> Menace. Read it fully - I have something to say to each of you...
>
> Firstly, allow me to introduce myself. My name's Christian Simpson, and I'm
> a Supporting Artist and Stand-In in the film industry. I'm a human being,
> with feelings too! But that's beside the point. The point is, I grew up
> with Star Wars. We on this group probably all did, or we wouldn't read
> RASSM. I've waited 16 years for TPM to come out, and am still totally
> excited about seeing it. But I won't for 2 months. :(
>
> The point is, that having literally DREAMED of being in Star Wars, or part
> of the Star Wars universe in some way or another for as long as I can
> remember in life, it was an unfathomable thing to find myself at an audition
> for the 'new' Star Wars film 2 years ago. I could not believe it. I was so
> lucky, and thanked my stars every day and night since.
>
> Guys, I LOVE Star Wars. I really do. Don't you? Tatooine is, as someone
> posted on TheForce.Net, a "home away from home" for me.
>
> So can you REALLY TRULY HONESTLY imagine how I felt to be in this film? The
> joy, happiness, unbelievability of the whole scenario????
>
> Now remember, I was just a Supporting Artist - not an actor. That's an
> 'extra' to you. So when Roger Christian (2nd unit Director) picked me, and
> a few others, to do single shots jumping into ships, I nearly wet myself!!!!
> Can you imagine being in my shoes? (Actually they were boots.)
>
> So here I am, 2 years later, and the film's out. I've counted the days
> until it came out. 16 years! SIXTEEN YEARS!! And then over another SEVEN
> HUNDRED days I counted to find out if my shot was in the film.
>
> I felt like a kid jumping into that Z-1 Starfighter. And I HAD to know THAT
> DAY (16 May) whether I was in it or not.
>
> Question: NOW, SOME of you said that was understandable but why ask 5 times?
>
> The answer: Because when I posted the message, I got some responses on the
> site. Then they stopped. So I REPOSTED the message. I got lots more
> responses. Then they stopped. So I REPOSTED the message. I got lots more
> responses. Then they stopped. You get the idea. It was just what was
> NEEDED in order to build up a good idea of whether I was in it.
>
> So do you get it now? I wasn't trying to annoy y'all. I was trying to
> establish beyond all doubt the answer to my question. And that was the only
> way. To post it 5 times.
>
> So what I ask of you all is to just show a LITTLE bit of understanding if I
> act like a kid by putting the details on a web site, and asking this group 5
> times to tell me if they remember me.
>
> I didn't want to offend anyone.
>
> Yes, I replied rudely when people were rude to me. Yes, I was polite to
> polite people.
>
> And yes, I'm sorry, I posted 5 text messages to a newsgroup. I could've
> posted 10. I could've posted huge binary attachments with them. It
> could've been worse people!!!!!
>
> Guys, there are people dying every day in Kosovo, and you're all acting like
> 5 text messages is the biggest crime in the world. It really isn't, and I
> just can't fathom you all out. I think you all might even be mad.
>
> You've all formed an opinion of someone you don't know. YOU DON'T KNOW ME
> AT ALL. Don't claim to, just by reading my DEFENSIVE (for good reasons)
> messages.
>
> I'm 26 years old, human, and entitled to get excited about something like
> this, if it means that much to me.
>
> You have NO right to spoil my fun, just because you had to ENDURE 5 lines of
> text occupying 2 centimetres in your Newsreader! Come of it.
>
> But you have spoilt it. I'm retiring from this group. SOME OF the people
> here don't understand Star Wars. They don't seem to get what it can mean to
> someone to become part of it, IN HOWEVER TINY, INSIGNIFICANT WAY (in your
> eyes).
>
> Someone told me I was a "twatting extra". Fine.
>
> Someone told me I was "the shit Jar-Jar stepped in". Fine.
>
> Someone called me "arrogant". Fine.
>
> I'll leave you all to it.
>
> Most of the nasty posters have also had 'dark side' names, I noticed
> interestingly. 'Emperor, 'Darth Maul', etc. And they swear a lot. What
> does this tell the nice people on this group? Well, if there is a Jedi
> equivalent in real life, and a Dark Lord equivalent... I know who's who.
>
> Am I really so bad for being pleased with myself? Not arrogant! Pleased
> with myself. Proud of myself. Is that not allowed? Is there some law
> against it? I've read the posting rules for this group, and NOWHERE does it
> mention that it is forbidden feel proud of yourself and ask for help a few
> times over 3 days if you get a part IN THE BIGGEST FILM IN THE HISTORY OF
> THE UNIVERSE.
>
> Listen people, I'm going now. I've got my answers. You've done the vote.
> I've found out I am in the credits, and am in the film, so I can now
> concentrate on forgetting all the nasty things people have said who tried to
> spoil this brilliant time in my life for me. I WON'T REPLY to any replies
> in this thread. Just so you know. That way, you can say anything you like
> to try to get the last word, and you'll have it if that's all that's
> important to you.
>
> Be rude or 'clever' if you really want. Whatever makes you happy.
>
> Just remember that you're giving in to hate.
>
> So bye. I just wanted to let you know that behind these words is a real fan
> of Star Wars, and I just (wrongly) thought I'd find friends here. Fellow
> fans. People who'd share my joy and understand my restlessness to know if I
> made it to the final cut.
>
> I was VERY wrong, I know. Not many friends here.
>
> Take it easy, and I'm sorry if I trod on any toes. You now have your
> newsgroup back to yourselves! I hope you'll all be very happy knowing
> you've ruined something for someone, when you could've just ignored him at
> least.
>
> ***Remember, I won't reply -- so knock yourselves out with unwitty,
> unclever, unkind replies. You'll be talking to yourselves. It's what you
> all deserve!... Each other!!
>
> I'll leave all you dark siders with words from the friends I HAVE made
> through this group in the last week, just so you can see how nice or helpful
> you COULD have been. You could've been them. I'm just sorry you weren't
> capable of something as hard as being nice like this...
>
> Hey Chris, Don't sweat it! Not everybody understands how hard it is to get
> into the
> industry. Nor do they understand how many long days and hours are put into
> it. Which is why they don't understand your level of excitement to be able
> to be part of such a great thing, such as being part of a Star Wars Movie.
> (Especially if your a big fan Star Wars.)
>
> Don't let them get to you! There are those of us who do understand and
> appreciate the magnitude of the situation for you.
>
> As for those who are so easily agitated by Chris' good fortune and
> luck.....Get a life! You don't have to stop and read his post every time
> you see it! Plus, if you were in his situation, you would understand why he
> is so concerned with how much film time he got. It is that much more to put
> in his portfolio to try to get the next bigger and better role that may come
> his way. If he doesn't get much screen time.... it only makes it that much
> harder to get into the next film (or any other film). The film industry is
> not easy street like some would think. It is really a world of hard work!!
>
> Keep going for the dream! Don't let anyone stop you from achieving your
> goals or dreams!!!
>
> Just don't forget those of us who know how hard it is, and support you even
> though we have never met and might never meet, but non the less are behind
> you all the way!! Good luck! Roy A. Moreno
>
> Just wanted to warn you, in case you care, that some idiot just
> posted some HUGE spoilers in your thread "DID THEY CUT MY SCENE"
> so you'd best quit reading this thread. Smilodon
>
> I'll check for you at the celebration and the end credits next time I go,
> which should be in a few days. Later, Pete
>
> When I go back to see the movie, I'll let ya know if I can make you out
> among the pilots. -- James King ?:^)
>
> I'll see it again in a few days and get back to you. Pete
>
> I hope you enjoy the movie when you finally get to see it. Joe
>
> I will sit through the whole credits and check for you as a stand-in.
> It will give me an excuse to sit through the entire credits. I am going
> again on Sunday (my fourth time! Crazy Americans, huh?), so I should have a
> definitive answer then.
>
> Don't read messages from Darth Maul on the newsgroup
> He responded to your question, and in the message laid out the end of the
> film (and yes, you'd probably be pretty pissed to know what he spoiled).
> Just wanted to warn you before you read it. Hope I'm not too late. The
> subject is "CJSnet....I SAW YOU!!!" - whatever you do, DON'T READ IT.
> S. Mills (xan...@onramp.net)
>
> I saw it today. What is your full name? I especially watched the
> credits for the "Naboo pilots" and I would be able to remember if
> yours was among them.
>
> Hey how did you get a chance to be an extra in the star wars film?
> Jon
>
> Thanks for the information. I am an actor myself and interested in
> auditioning for the next 2 movies. Any suggestions? What is AICN? I would
> appreciate any help. Thank you. Ross
>
> OK, I will look when I see it again tonight. SHaque
>
> You may be in the end celebration lineup, because that scene is
> definitely there. Next time I see the film I'll look for ya! Pete
>
> Chris, How did you get the part in TPM? When I see the movie, I will be
> looking
> for your scene. Thanks, Ross
>
> Hello how did you get lucky enough to be an extra in Star Wars? Was that
> a SAG job?
>
> You made it! I am a bit surprised, because I didn't think you would get a
> listing since you didn't have any lines. But congratulations! S. Haque
>
> Hi, Christian! I think I counted 3 pilots, today. Let me know when you see
> it. Regards! Ronald Epstein
>
> Hey I saw you in the film. How did you get to be an extra? I have always
> wanted to be in a Star Wars film. Congrats to you! Josh
CJSNet
Stevie
you said in the post, about people like me being pathetic, cause I didn't
read it."
Preston Crawford <pres...@micron.net> wrote in message
news:RlH13.21$Nm4....@news03.micron.net....
Stevie
out as being wrong, their reply's usually start out with a statement to
cover the fact that "What, me, wrong? I didn't see that. Na Na Bo BO!'
Hey, if they can sleep at night knowing how small and pathetic they are, who
are we to care?
Wes Hutchings <yrk...@jps.net> wrote in message
news:3747...@news1.jps.net...
>But you don't have to read it every day Preston. You could have ignored
>anything posted by him.
> Instead you decided to get in another jab at him.
> Since you didn't read it. You don't know what he said and therefore missed
>a lot of why's and reasons for what he did that so disturbed your world.
>That someone posting a question 5 times so ruined your day.
>Also since you didn't read it. You missed the part where he said that any
of
>you can make any comments you like, because he won't be here to read them.
> The most interesting part to me is that you don't have the time to read
his
>post , because you're "...not that bored..." You do how ever have the time
>to post a response to a subject you don't know anything about.
> wes
>
>----------
>In article <RlH13.21$Nm4....@news03.micron.net.>, "Preston Crawford"
><pres...@micron.net> wrote:
>
>
Wes Hutchings
----------
In article <dQL13.23$Nm4....@news03.micron.net.>, "Preston Crawford"
<pres...@micron.net> wrote:
> Wes Hutchings wrote in message <3747...@news1.jps.net>...
>> Instead you decided to get in another jab at him.
>
>
> That was my first jab actually.
Okay, fair enough.
>
>> Since you didn't read it. You don't know what he said and therefore missed
>>a lot of why's and reasons for what he did that so disturbed your world.
>
>
> Actually, I did read enough.
That's a little like reading the introduction to a murder mystery and
deciding you know who did it. You might be right, but odds are pretty good
you haven't read enough to make that judgement.
> He was in Star Wars. Good for him. I'm happy, but at a certain point being
happy for himself turns to shameless self-promotion and he crossed that line
along time ago.
> Preston
Apparently you feel he passed that point. I guess you missed the part where
he explains the reason behind asking the question more than once. He says it
was because he asked the question. Got a variety of responses, but no
answer, then they tapered off. He asked again with a repeat of results.
This went on until he got an answer. All the while having to fend off
people expressing an adverse opinion which seemed to be more an expression
of jealousy than being upset because he asked a question 5 times.
I see people everyday ask a question that is currently posted and answered
at the time they post. Should they be flamed for that?
Frankly I don't see the shameless self promotion.
I personally never gave his posts a second thought, because it wasn't a
subject I had anything to add to. Of course here people feel the need to
editorialize anything they don't like. I do it. Of course I try to make a
point and not just attack someone because the asked a question.
wes
Life Sabre
I also can't believe some of you called him a British idiot. What's wrong
with you all? You'd have to be an idiot *not* to be proud of an achievement
like this, and want to find a quick answer.
All of you nice people, go check his site out and help the guy!:
http://www.cjsnet.freeserve.co.uk/TPM/
Hawkins
Jame...@hotmail.com
CJSNet <Chr...@earthling.net> wrote in message
news:7i7e67$ksi$1...@news5.svr.pol.co.uk...
headrush
Would happen to know where I can pick up a couple Destroyer Droids?
Ian Motter
CJSNet wrote:
>
> This message is to everyone who had something bad to say to me about posting
> my request for news about whether or not I, or my name, was in The Phantom
> Menace. Read it fully - I have something to say to each of you...
Number 1:
I NEVER flamed you for that alone. I flamed you, at first, because you
kept
re-posting the same request over and over.
> Firstly, allow me to introduce myself. My name's Christian Simpson, and I'm
> a Supporting Artist and Stand-In in the film industry. I'm a human being,
> with feelings too! But that's beside the point. The point is, I grew up
> with Star Wars. We on this group probably all did, or we wouldn't read
> RASSM. I've waited 16 years for TPM to come out, and am still totally
> excited about seeing it. But I won't for 2 months. :(
>
> The point is, that having literally DREAMED of being in Star Wars, or part
> of the Star Wars universe in some way or another for as long as I can
> remember in life, it was an unfathomable thing to find myself at an audition
> for the 'new' Star Wars film 2 years ago. I could not believe it. I was so
> lucky, and thanked my stars every day and night since.
>
> Guys, I LOVE Star Wars. I really do. Don't you? Tatooine is, as someone
> posted on TheForce.Net, a "home away from home" for me.
>
> So can you REALLY TRULY HONESTLY imagine how I felt to be in this film? The
> joy, happiness, unbelievability of the whole scenario????
>
> Now remember, I was just a Supporting Artist - not an actor. That's an
> 'extra' to you.
Ding! My arrogance buzzer just went off.
> So when Roger Christian (2nd unit Director) picked me, and
> a few others, to do single shots jumping into ships, I nearly wet myself!!!!
> Can you imagine being in my shoes? (Actually they were boots.)
>
> So here I am, 2 years later, and the film's out. I've counted the days
> until it came out. 16 years! SIXTEEN YEARS!! And then over another SEVEN
> HUNDRED days I counted to find out if my shot was in the film.
>
> I felt like a kid jumping into that Z-1 Starfighter. And I HAD to know THAT
> DAY (16 May) whether I was in it or not.
>
> Question: NOW, SOME of you said that was understandable but why ask 5 times?
>
> The answer: Because when I posted the message, I got some responses on the
> site. Then they stopped. So I REPOSTED the message. I got lots more
> responses. Then they stopped. So I REPOSTED the message. I got lots more
> responses. Then they stopped. You get the idea. It was just what was
> NEEDED in order to build up a good idea of whether I was in it.
Look, you didn't NEED to re-post that message so many times in a short
period. Wait a day, 2, 3, or 4. Let more people see it and
get back to you. Be PATIENT. When you started to get flack, what did
you do? You KEPT ON DOING IT! That provoked more flaming, and that's
how this got started.
> So do you get it now? I wasn't trying to annoy y'all. I was trying to
> establish beyond all doubt the answer to my question. And that was the only
> way. To post it 5 times.
But when you were "informed" that you were annoying frequent NG'ers
with your repeated requests you ignored them and kept re-posting.
> So what I ask of you all is to just show a LITTLE bit of understanding if I
> act like a kid by putting the details on a web site, and asking this group 5
> times to tell me if they remember me.
The web-site? OK, at least THAT's not spamming.
> I didn't want to offend anyone.
>
> Yes, I replied rudely when people were rude to me. Yes, I was polite to
> polite people.
>
> And yes, I'm sorry, I posted 5 text messages to a newsgroup. I could've
> posted 10. I could've posted huge binary attachments with them. It
> could've been worse people!!!!!
*_*
> Guys, there are people dying every day in Kosovo, and you're all acting like
> 5 text messages is the biggest crime in the world. It really isn't, and I
> just can't fathom you all out. I think you all might even be mad.
Oh my GOD!!!
NOW I've heard everything.....
> You've all formed an opinion of someone you don't know. YOU DON'T KNOW ME
> AT ALL. Don't claim to, just by reading my DEFENSIVE (for good reasons)
> messages.
>
> I'm 26 years old, human, and entitled to get excited about something like
> this, if it means that much to me.
>
> You have NO right to spoil my fun, just because you had to ENDURE 5 lines of
> text occupying 2 centimetres in your Newsreader! Come of it.
You know what? You never even apologized for re-posting the same
message over and over. In fact, you've explained reasons why
you did it. I call that arrogant and rude myself.
> But you have spoilt it. I'm retiring from this group. SOME OF the people
> here don't understand Star Wars. They don't seem to get what it can mean to
> someone to become part of it, IN HOWEVER TINY, INSIGNIFICANT WAY (in your
> eyes).
Oh yeah, a big fat DING! here. "We don't understand Star Wars" because
we got upset at you for spamming.
> Someone told me I was a "twatting extra". Fine.
>
> Someone told me I was "the shit Jar-Jar stepped in". Fine.
That wasn't me, and you've taken these responses out of context.
Just like a Democrat I know!
> Someone called me "arrogant". Fine.
That was me! ^_^
> I'll leave you all to it.
> Am I really so bad for being pleased with myself? Not arrogant! Pleased
> with myself. Proud of myself. Is that not allowed? Is there some law
> against it? I've read the posting rules for this group, and NOWHERE does it
> mention that it is forbidden feel proud of yourself and ask for help a few
> times over 3 days if you get a part IN THE BIGGEST FILM IN THE HISTORY OF
> THE UNIVERSE.
You sounded arrogant to me.
And all over being an extra.
> Listen people, I'm going now. I've got my answers. You've done the vote.
> I've found out I am in the credits, and am in the film
Good for you. REALLY! And I NOT being sarcastic.
>, so I can now
> concentrate on forgetting all the nasty things people have said who tried to
> spoil this brilliant time in my life for me. I WON'T REPLY to any replies
> in this thread. Just so you know. That way, you can say anything you like
> to try to get the last word, and you'll have it if that's all that's
> important to you.
>
> Be rude or 'clever' if you really want. Whatever makes you happy.
>
> Just remember that you're giving in to hate.
<snicker>
> So bye. I just wanted to let you know that behind these words is a real fan
> of Star Wars, and I just (wrongly) thought I'd find friends here. Fellow
> fans. People who'd share my joy and understand my restlessness to know if I
> made it to the final cut.
>
> I was VERY wrong, I know. Not many friends here.
HOW FUCKING PATHETIC!!!
Give me a break.
You think you can make yourself into some kind of martyr?
Do you think you can make US feel bad for flaming you
because of YOUR spamming?
Not bloody likely.
> Take it easy, and I'm sorry if I trod on any toes. You now have your
> newsgroup back to yourselves! I hope you'll all be very happy knowing
> you've ruined something for someone, when you could've just ignored him at
> least.
Hard to ignore some pompous guy like you, brimming with self-importance,
and talking down to "the little people". Calling us jealous, telling us
"we just don't know how it is in the Film Industry", etc.
> ***Remember, I won't reply -- so knock yourselves out with unwitty,
> unclever, unkind replies. You'll be talking to yourselves. It's what you
> all deserve!... Each other!!
Is it just me, or is anybody else starting to tear-up?
> I'll leave all you dark siders with words from the friends I HAVE made
> through this group in the last week, just so you can see how nice or helpful
> you COULD have been. You could've been them. I'm just sorry you weren't
> capable of something as hard as being nice like this...
THIS? After playing the dramatic tragic hero? The one who
"had no friends"? The one who's soooooo sad and hurt by
3 or 4 people blasting you for posting the same message
on this NG over and over?
How could you think that posting
"I AM IN THE CREDITS, I AM IN THE FILM" could not
piss people off, after the way you've acted and
behaved like a spoiled arrogant git?
> Keep going for the dream! Don't let anyone stop you from achieving your
> goals or dreams!!!
We don't mind if he follows his dream, just that he stops
spamming.
> I'll check for you at the celebration and the end credits next time I go,
> which should be in a few days. Later, Pete
>
> When I go back to see the movie, I'll let ya know if I can make you out
> among the pilots. -- James King ?:^)
>
> I'll see it again in a few days and get back to you. Pete
>
> I hope you enjoy the movie when you finally get to see it. Joe
>
> I will sit through the whole credits and check for you as a stand-in.
> It will give me an excuse to sit through the entire credits. I am going
> again on Sunday (my fourth time! Crazy Americans, huh?), so I should have a
> definitive answer then.
>
> I saw it today. What is your full name? I especially watched the
> credits for the "Naboo pilots" and I would be able to remember if
> yours was among them.
After all this you felt you STILL needed to keep re-posting?
> Thanks for the information. I am an actor myself and interested in
> auditioning for the next 2 movies. Any suggestions? What is AICN? I would
> appreciate any help. Thank you. Ross
"What is AICN?" This guy's a newbie....... At least he asked nicely.
> OK, I will look when I see it again tonight. SHaque
>
> You may be in the end celebration lineup, because that scene is
> definitely there. Next time I see the film I'll look for ya! Pete
>
> Chris, How did you get the part in TPM? When I see the movie, I will be
> looking
> for your scene. Thanks, Ross
>
> You made it! I am a bit surprised, because I didn't think you would get a
> listing since you didn't have any lines. But congratulations! S. Haque
>
> Hey I saw you in the film. How did you get to be an extra? I have always
> wanted to be in a Star Wars film. Congrats to you! Josh
By the way, Congradulations. You have achieved immortality in film
history. You SHOULD be excited and proud of yourself.
I would be.
Just TRY TO SHOW SOME RESTRAINT NEXT TIME.
You may think that just because your website slowed
down some after the first few hours justified re-posting
the same message, but you didn't even give people the
chance to talk to you, then go see the movie, and then
get back to you. That's what you SHOULD have done.
You should learn to be more patient.
We ALL waited 16 years for this movie, what is 2 more
months anyways?
Ian
Man U for the Treble......
Just Me
Hey, congrats! You must have been on pins and needles! (how
awful!)
I still don't "get" why the UK release isn't until July!!!
I'd love to do something like that, but living on the east
coast,
being a single mommy type, I guess I'll just have to keep
going to the
movies, and wait for my son to grow up and be famous! LOL
I've only been once, and I would have looked for you, but
haven't had
time to go back again!
I'm glad you got your answer though!
May your Dreams all come true, may your career be glorious,
and may
the Force be with you!
Lisa
--
You want to comment? Fine, but you will
need to either reply to the newsgroup or
to the address below, for me to see it.
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http://www.javanet.com/~lanat
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Gregory Cook
=Question: NOW, SOME of you said that was understandable but why ask 5 times?
=
=The answer: Because when I posted the message, I got some responses on the
=site. Then they stopped. So I REPOSTED the message. I got lots more
=responses. Then they stopped. So I REPOSTED the message. I got lots more
=responses. Then they stopped. You get the idea. It was just what was
=NEEDED in order to build up a good idea of whether I was in it.
=
=So do you get it now? I wasn't trying to annoy y'all. I was trying to
=establish beyond all doubt the answer to my question. And that was the only
=way. To post it 5 times.
That wasn't the only way. Nothing can prevent you from doing it,
though, and no one can say it's "illegal" or anything, but you can't
act all upset when someone tells you to stop spamming up a group. Tell
them you were trying to get noticed more, and leave it at that.
Instead, you resorted to petty insults and bickering. The people who
insulted you were just as much at fault, but they wouldn't have had
anything to continue the argument over if you'd shown some maturity
and just ignored them.
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Greg "Fox" Cook -- Rice University 2000 -- English Major
gfox...@earthlink.net - http://home.earthlink.net/~gfoxcook
Robert Heinlein/The X-Files/Star Wars/Star Trek: NextGen fan
U2/Led Zeppelin/Pink Floyd/Tori Amos/The Who/David Bowie fan
"Ahhh!!! I'm gonna die! Jesus,
____ Allah, Buddha, I love you all!" - Homer J. Simpson ____
Wes Hutchings
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In article <37481D9E...@home.com>, Ian Motter <ia...@home.com> wrote:
>
> CJSNet wrote:
>>
>> This message is to everyone who had something bad to say to me about posting
>> my request for news about whether or not I, or my name, was in The Phantom
>> Menace. Read it fully - I have something to say to each of you...
>
> Number 1:
> I NEVER flamed you for that alone. I flamed you, at first, because you
> kept
> re-posting the same request over and over.
Did you read why he reposted?
>> Firstly, allow me to introduce myself. My name's Christian Simpson, and I'm
>> a Supporting Artist and Stand-In in the film industry. I'm a human being,
>> with feelings too! But that's beside the point. The point is, I grew up
>> with Star Wars. We on this group probably all did, or we wouldn't read
>> RASSM. I've waited 16 years for TPM to come out, and am still totally
>> excited about seeing it. But I won't for 2 months. :(
>>
>> The point is, that having literally DREAMED of being in Star Wars, or part
>> of the Star Wars universe in some way or another for as long as I can
>> remember in life, it was an unfathomable thing to find myself at an audition
>> for the 'new' Star Wars film 2 years ago. I could not believe it. I was so
>> lucky, and thanked my stars every day and night since.
>>
>> Guys, I LOVE Star Wars. I really do. Don't you? Tatooine is, as someone
>> posted on TheForce.Net, a "home away from home" for me.
>>
>> So can you REALLY TRULY HONESTLY imagine how I felt to be in this film? The
>> joy, happiness, unbelievability of the whole scenario????
>>
>> Now remember, I was just a Supporting Artist - not an actor. That's an
>> 'extra' to you.
>
> Ding! My arrogance buzzer just went off.
Why?
>> So when Roger Christian (2nd unit Director) picked me, and
>> a few others, to do single shots jumping into ships, I nearly wet myself!!!!
>> Can you imagine being in my shoes? (Actually they were boots.)
>>
>> So here I am, 2 years later, and the film's out. I've counted the days
>> until it came out. 16 years! SIXTEEN YEARS!! And then over another SEVEN
>> HUNDRED days I counted to find out if my shot was in the film.
>>
>> I felt like a kid jumping into that Z-1 Starfighter. And I HAD to know THAT
>> DAY (16 May) whether I was in it or not.
>>
>> Question: NOW, SOME of you said that was understandable but why ask 5 times?
>>
>> The answer: Because when I posted the message, I got some responses on the
>> site. Then they stopped. So I REPOSTED the message. I got lots more
>> responses. Then they stopped. So I REPOSTED the message. I got lots more
>> responses. Then they stopped. You get the idea. It was just what was
>> NEEDED in order to build up a good idea of whether I was in it.
>
> Look, you didn't NEED to re-post that message so many times in a short
> period. Wait a day, 2, 3, or 4. Let more people see it and
> get back to you. Be PATIENT. When you started to get flack, what did
> you do? You KEPT ON DOING IT! That provoked more flaming, and that's
> how this got started.
You read what he did and why he did it and you're still back to he shouldn't
have re-posted? he's not the first person to come here and ask a question.
He is one of the first to ask a question that no one seemed to have the
answer to, so he asked until He got one. if you're going to flame someone
for asking a question then you'd have to flame everyone.
>> So do you get it now? I wasn't trying to annoy y'all. I was trying to
>> establish beyond all doubt the answer to my question. And that was the only
>> way. To post it 5 times.
>
> But when you were "informed" that you were annoying frequent NG'ers
> with your repeated requests you ignored them and kept re-posting.
So if someone annoys someone else here and they are informed of it then they
should just stop? That would be great. Could all the people who are here
just posting crap they hate kindly stop? let's see how much goos that does.
Then we'll no if your theory holds water.
>> So what I ask of you all is to just show a LITTLE bit of understanding if I
>> act like a kid by putting the details on a web site, and asking this group 5
>> times to tell me if they remember me.
>
> The web-site? OK, at least THAT's not spamming.
What of this was spamming?
>> I didn't want to offend anyone.
>>
>> Yes, I replied rudely when people were rude to me. Yes, I was polite to
>> polite people.
>>
>> And yes, I'm sorry, I posted 5 text messages to a newsgroup. I could've
>> posted 10. I could've posted huge binary attachments with them. It
>> could've been worse people!!!!!
>
> *_*
>
>> Guys, there are people dying every day in Kosovo, and you're all acting like
>> 5 text messages is the biggest crime in the world. It really isn't, and I
>> just can't fathom you all out. I think you all might even be mad.
>
> Oh my GOD!!!
> NOW I've heard everything.....
Why? He's just repeating back to you the way he was treated here.
>> You've all formed an opinion of someone you don't know. YOU DON'T KNOW ME
>> AT ALL. Don't claim to, just by reading my DEFENSIVE (for good reasons)
>> messages.
>>
>> I'm 26 years old, human, and entitled to get excited about something like
>> this, if it means that much to me.
>>
>> You have NO right to spoil my fun, just because you had to ENDURE 5 lines of
>> text occupying 2 centimetres in your Newsreader! Come of it.
>
> You know what? You never even apologized for re-posting the same
> message over and over. In fact, you've explained reasons why
> you did it. I call that arrogant and rude myself.
As opposed to what goes on here normally? Why should he apologize for asking
a question and then having to defend himself from attacks for it?
>> But you have spoilt it. I'm retiring from this group. SOME OF the people
>> here don't understand Star Wars. They don't seem to get what it can mean to
>> someone to become part of it, IN HOWEVER TINY, INSIGNIFICANT WAY (in your
>> eyes).
>
> Oh yeah, a big fat DING! here. "We don't understand Star Wars" because
> we got upset at you for spamming.
Again, he didn't spam.
>> Someone told me I was a "twatting extra". Fine.
>>
>> Someone told me I was "the shit Jar-Jar stepped in". Fine.
>
> That wasn't me, and you've taken these responses out of context.
> Just like a Democrat I know!
Taken out of context? How would you have taken it? How should he have taken
it, in your mind?
>> Someone called me "arrogant". Fine.
>
> That was me! ^_^
Pride in ridicule? Good for you. That's a real valuable skill.
>> I'll leave you all to it.
>
>> Am I really so bad for being pleased with myself? Not arrogant! Pleased
>> with myself. Proud of myself. Is that not allowed? Is there some law
>> against it? I've read the posting rules for this group, and NOWHERE does it
>> mention that it is forbidden feel proud of yourself and ask for help a few
>> times over 3 days if you get a part IN THE BIGGEST FILM IN THE HISTORY OF
>> THE UNIVERSE.
>
> You sounded arrogant to me.
> And all over being an extra.
You sound jealous to me.
All over having read a post from someone who was excited over a part of his
life.
>> Listen people, I'm going now. I've got my answers. You've done the vote.
>> I've found out I am in the credits, and am in the film
>
> Good for you. REALLY! And I NOT being sarcastic.
>
>>, so I can now
>> concentrate on forgetting all the nasty things people have said who tried to
>> spoil this brilliant time in my life for me. I WON'T REPLY to any replies
>> in this thread. Just so you know. That way, you can say anything you like
>> to try to get the last word, and you'll have it if that's all that's
>> important to you.
>>
>> Be rude or 'clever' if you really want. Whatever makes you happy.
>>
>> Just remember that you're giving in to hate.
>
> <snicker>
>
>> So bye. I just wanted to let you know that behind these words is a real fan
>> of Star Wars, and I just (wrongly) thought I'd find friends here. Fellow
>> fans. People who'd share my joy and understand my restlessness to know if I
>> made it to the final cut.
>>
>> I was VERY wrong, I know. Not many friends here.
>
> HOW FUCKING PATHETIC!!!
> Give me a break.
> You think you can make yourself into some kind of martyr?
> Do you think you can make US feel bad for flaming you
> because of YOUR spamming?
> Not bloody likely.
A martyr? Other people make a martyr. They don't create themselves. Any
martyrdom you attribute to him his your own doing.
And again. He wasn't spamming. He posted a question until he got answer.
>> Take it easy, and I'm sorry if I trod on any toes. You now have your
>> newsgroup back to yourselves! I hope you'll all be very happy knowing
>> you've ruined something for someone, when you could've just ignored him at
>> least.
>
> Hard to ignore some pompous guy like you, brimming with self-importance,
> and talking down to "the little people". Calling us jealous, telling us
> "we just don't know how it is in the Film Industry", etc.
Hard to ignore? You mean he used a Jedi Mind trick on you and you weren't
able to resist flaming him? With each passing statement you make it more and
more clear that you're the problem. Not him.
>> ***Remember, I won't reply -- so knock yourselves out with unwitty,
>> unclever, unkind replies. You'll be talking to yourselves. It's what you
>> all deserve!... Each other!!
>
> Is it just me, or is anybody else starting to tear-up?
>
>> I'll leave all you dark siders with words from the friends I HAVE made
>> through this group in the last week, just so you can see how nice or helpful
>> you COULD have been. You could've been them. I'm just sorry you weren't
>> capable of something as hard as being nice like this...
>
> THIS? After playing the dramatic tragic hero? The one who
> "had no friends"? The one who's soooooo sad and hurt by
> 3 or 4 people blasting you for posting the same message
> on this NG over and over?
> How could you think that posting
> "I AM IN THE CREDITS, I AM IN THE FILM" could not
> piss people off, after the way you've acted and
> behaved like a spoiled arrogant git?
The fact that that simple a statement can send you into a flaming rampage
says so much more about you than it does about him.
>> Keep going for the dream! Don't let anyone stop you from achieving your
>> goals or dreams!!!
>
> We don't mind if he follows his dream, just that he stops
> spamming.
I still don't think he spammed the NG. Did he spam you personally? One of
your compatriots here?
Asking a question five times isn't spamming.
Spoken as a man who has no concept of why he asked and re-asked the
question.
wes
Wes Hutchings
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In article <8KV13.10$zf5...@news03.micron.net.>, "Preston Crawford"
<pres...@micron.net> wrote:
> Wes Hutchings wrote in message <3748...@news1.jps.net>...
>> This went on until he got an answer. All the while having to fend off
>>people expressing an adverse opinion which seemed to be more an expression
>>of jealousy than being upset because he asked a question 5 times.
>
>
> Of course we're jealous. Any Star Wars fan would be. However, it gets really
> really old after a while. It's cool, but it doesn't warrant the spamming
> he's been doing.
>
> Preston
>
>
Has he spammed you? How?
I didn't see anything he did here that counted as spamming. So I've
considered the possibility that he spammed those who flamed him. if so no
one has brought it up.
Just you and Ian insisting that he was spamming. Perhaps I missed it. I
don't read the posts as much as I used way back on Tuesday before everyone
who'd seen the movie showed up and started dumping on it.
Ian Motter
Wes Hutchings wrote: A bunch of crap.
Rimrunner
>
>
>----------
>In article <37481D9E...@home.com>, Ian Motter <ia...@home.com> wrote:
>
>
>> Look, you didn't NEED to re-post that message so many times in a short
>> period. Wait a day, 2, 3, or 4. Let more people see it and
>> get back to you. Be PATIENT. When you started to get flack, what did
>> you do? You KEPT ON DOING IT! That provoked more flaming, and that's
>> how this got started.
>
>You read what he did and why he did it and you're still back to he shouldn't
>have re-posted? he's not the first person to come here and ask a question.
>He is one of the first to ask a question that no one seemed to have the
>answer to, so he asked until He got one. if you're going to flame someone
>for asking a question then you'd have to flame everyone.
Because it takes TIME for articles to propagate. Right now, it takes time
to read through the newsgroup--at least, it takes time to read RASSM, I
dunno what posting conditions are like on AFS right now.
But as of this morning I hadn't read RASSM since Friday a.m. There were
over 5000 messages waiting.
And a LOT of those were the traffic generated from this guy's five initial
posts. ALL of which showed up on my server TODAY. See what I mean about
propagation?
The suggestion that he wait a few days between queries is not
unreasonable.
[snip]
>> But when you were "informed" that you were annoying frequent NG'ers
>> with your repeated requests you ignored them and kept re-posting.
>
>So if someone annoys someone else here and they are informed of it then they
>should just stop? That would be great. Could all the people who are here
From the look of it (and I didn't know the answer because I haven't seen
the movie yet, so I didn't bother to read the threads in question), he
annoyed more than someone. He annoyed many, many, many someones. And every
single time he posted, all of those people felt compelled to respond on
the NG about how pissed off they were.
Do you have any idea how long it takes for trn to run a killfile on 5000
articles?
[snip]
>>> Guys, there are people dying every day in Kosovo, and you're all acting like
>>> 5 text messages is the biggest crime in the world. It really isn't, and I
>>> just can't fathom you all out. I think you all might even be mad.
>>
>> Oh my GOD!!!
>> NOW I've heard everything.....
>
>Why? He's just repeating back to you the way he was treated here.
Because whenever someone posts something to a Usenet newsgroup that a
large number of readers find inappopriate, and those readers complain, the
original poster always, without fail, comes up with this sort of thing as
a defense.
Clue: this is not news.balkans.kosovo.war . It's RASSM/AFS. People are
here to discuss Star Wars.
The Kosovo discussion is happening elsewhere.
[snip]
>>> You have NO right to spoil my fun, just because you had to ENDURE 5 lines of
>>> text occupying 2 centimetres in your Newsreader! Come of it.
>>
>> You know what? You never even apologized for re-posting the same
>> message over and over. In fact, you've explained reasons why
>> you did it. I call that arrogant and rude myself.
>
>As opposed to what goes on here normally? Why should he apologize for asking
>a question and then having to defend himself from attacks for it?
Where is "here"?
I had to endure way more than five lines. I had to endure all the replies,
flamage, and general spates of bad temper those five lines elicited,
clogging up my newsfeed. And so did everyone else who hasn't seen the
movie yet and doesn't know the answer.
Nobody is arguing that someone can't ask a question. What people are
arguing is that it wastes people's time to ask the same question over and
over and over in a short period of time. The initial article didn't hit my
server until days after it was originally posted.
[snip]
>> Oh yeah, a big fat DING! here. "We don't understand Star Wars" because
>> we got upset at you for spamming.
>
>Again, he didn't spam.
He posted multiple copies of the same material to Usenet. Fits the
definition to me.
Look, I'm not saying it's all his fault. Quite frankly, I think folks
should lighten up--of course this guy's excited.
At the same time, he should take a hint when dozens of people respond to
him with the same objection, y'know?
[snipped a WHOLE LOT of quoted material]
Sigh.
Rimrunner
i'm going to hit every single one of you over the head with miss manners'
guide to excrutiatingly correct behavior until you...behave.
--
Murder of Crows: http://www.nwlink.com/~noah CD AVAIL, E-MAIL FOR INFO
"Yes, I do believe in God. No, I don't believe It's some grumpy, bearded
cartoon character living in a celestial version of Six-Flags Over Texas
with his bleeding Caucasian son and a glowing pigeon surrounded by a
bunch of singing guys with big wings. Put me down as a Jehovah Bystander."
-- foggy @ http://www.eskimo.com/~foggy
Speculator
the ORB while you wrote:
>Guys, I LOVE Star Wars. I really do. Don't you? Tatooine is, as someone
>posted on TheForce.Net, a "home away from home" for me.
Well, you'll fit in well here!
>So can you REALLY TRULY HONESTLY imagine how I felt to be in this film? The
>joy, happiness, unbelievability of the whole scenario????
<Spec swells with envy>
[snip]
>And yes, I'm sorry, I posted 5 text messages to a newsgroup. I could've
>posted 10. I could've posted huge binary attachments with them. It
>could've been worse people!!!!!
Agreed!
We've been clogged up with so much BS over the years, it's about time
someone posted something SW-related here. :)
Thanks for the insight into TPM, Christian - I hope you get a part in
Episode 2 as well!
.
mtfbwy,
Speculator, "coolest of the RASSM Coolies" :)
Speculator Websites page http://www.infoshop.u-net.com/
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Wes Hutchings
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In article <7ichjp$l80$1...@halcyon.com>, rim...@halcyon.com (Rimrunner) wrote:
> In article <3748...@news1.jps.net>, Wes Hutchings <yrk...@jps.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>----------
>>In article <37481D9E...@home.com>, Ian Motter <ia...@home.com> wrote:
>>
>>
> [snip]
>
>>> Look, you didn't NEED to re-post that message so many times in a short
>>> period. Wait a day, 2, 3, or 4. Let more people see it and
>>> get back to you. Be PATIENT. When you started to get flack, what did
>>> you do? You KEPT ON DOING IT! That provoked more flaming, and that's
>>> how this got started.
>>
>>You read what he did and why he did it and you're still back to he shouldn't
>>have re-posted? he's not the first person to come here and ask a question.
>>He is one of the first to ask a question that no one seemed to have the
>>answer to, so he asked until He got one. if you're going to flame someone
>>for asking a question then you'd have to flame everyone.
>
> Because it takes TIME for articles to propagate. Right now, it takes time
> to read through the newsgroup--at least, it takes time to read RASSM, I
> dunno what posting conditions are like on AFS right now.
>
> But as of this morning I hadn't read RASSM since Friday a.m. There were
> over 5000 messages waiting.
>
> And a LOT of those were the traffic generated from this guy's five initial
> posts. ALL of which showed up on my server TODAY. See what I mean about
> propagation?
>
> The suggestion that he wait a few days between queries is not
> unreasonable.
An article doesn't propogate. The time it takes to post is measured in
seconds.
Yes it does take time to read through all of the posts. he asked a
question. Recieved responses. Didn't get the one he was looking for.
Responses stopped. He repeated the cycle.
A lot of them? Out of 5000 messages how many in a lot of them?
personally if it had been me and I'd been in his situation I would have done
much what he did. The people who made his posting a problem wasn't him. it
was the people who decided to flame him. And then like lemmings everyone
else decided to get in on it. Anyone of you could have ignored him. I did.
Why? Because I didn't know the answer to the question he'd asked.
So how long did he wait between posts? he posted 5 times over the 3 or 4
days I believe. That makes him sound much more reasonable then the people
who flamed him each and everytime he posted or responded to a post.
>
> [snip]
>
>>> But when you were "informed" that you were annoying frequent NG'ers
>>> with your repeated requests you ignored them and kept re-posting.
>>
>>So if someone annoys someone else here and they are informed of it then they
>>should just stop? That would be great. Could all the people who are here
>
> From the look of it (and I didn't know the answer because I haven't seen
> the movie yet, so I didn't bother to read the threads in question), he
> annoyed more than someone. He annoyed many, many, many someones. And every
> single time he posted, all of those people felt compelled to respond on
> the NG about how pissed off they were.
>
> Do you have any idea how long it takes for trn to run a killfile on 5000
> articles?
One: I don't use a killfile. Never have, Never will.
Two: He was fighting back from being flamed and he got flamed for it...and
so on....
>
> [snip]
>
>>>> Guys, there are people dying every day in Kosovo, and you're all acting
like
>>>> 5 text messages is the biggest crime in the world. It really isn't, and I
>>>> just can't fathom you all out. I think you all might even be mad.
>>>
>>> Oh my GOD!!!
>>> NOW I've heard everything.....
>>
>>Why? He's just repeating back to you the way he was treated here.
>
> Because whenever someone posts something to a Usenet newsgroup that a
> large number of readers find inappopriate, and those readers complain, the
> original poster always, without fail, comes up with this sort of thing as
> a defense.
>
> Clue: this is not news.balkans.kosovo.war . It's RASSM/AFS. People are
> here to discuss Star Wars.
>
> The Kosovo discussion is happening elsewhere.
He referrenced Kososvo in a thread in which he is discussing TPM. That is
infifnitely more on topic then the morons who posted negative shit about him
with no mention of the film whatsoever.
>
> [snip]
>
>>>> You have NO right to spoil my fun, just because you had to ENDURE 5 lines
of
>>>> text occupying 2 centimetres in your Newsreader! Come of it.
>>>
>>> You know what? You never even apologized for re-posting the same
>>> message over and over. In fact, you've explained reasons why
>>> you did it. I call that arrogant and rude myself.
>>
>>As opposed to what goes on here normally? Why should he apologize for asking
>>a question and then having to defend himself from attacks for it?
>
> Where is "here"?
>
> I had to endure way more than five lines. I had to endure all the replies,
> flamage, and general spates of bad temper those five lines elicited,
> clogging up my newsfeed. And so did everyone else who hasn't seen the
> movie yet and doesn't know the answer.
>
> Nobody is arguing that someone can't ask a question. What people are
> arguing is that it wastes people's time to ask the same question over and
> over and over in a short period of time. The initial article didn't hit my
> server until days after it was originally posted.
>
> [snip]
AFS.
Why did yoou have to endure more than five lines? Because a number of
people flamed someone for asking a question about Star Wars.
but that is exactly what they are arguing. You can ask a question, but only
if a certain group of assholes decide it's validity. Once they revoke
validity or get tired of looking at they are saying that he can no longer
ask a question.
As to NG server time. Mine posts my posts within a minute and I get
responses within the next minute. Sometimes I won't see posts from someone I
used to see all the time and I can only read them when someoen else responds
to them. Your server is your problem. Not his.
>>> Oh yeah, a big fat DING! here. "We don't understand Star Wars" because
>>> we got upset at you for spamming.
>>
>>Again, he didn't spam.
>
> He posted multiple copies of the same material to Usenet. Fits the
> definition to me.
He sent out the same question five times.
He sent it to the NG where anyone is free to look at it.
He did not send it to anyones e-mail. If he has then no one has told me and
I have asked. Maybe it will appear later in these posts. Until then he
didn't spam.
No one has to come here to read this. If posting something that someone
found annoying in an NG were spam then we could get a good number of people
TOS'd.
But it's not.
>
> Look, I'm not saying it's all his fault. Quite frankly, I think folks
> should lighten up--of course this guy's excited.
>
> At the same time, he should take a hint when dozens of people respond to
> him with the same objection, y'know?
If dozens of people told me they didn't want to hear what I had to say then
I'd tell them too bad I'm doing it anyway. So if you don't want to see it
then kill file me or change the channel.
no one here has the right to make someone stop posting here. If we did then
there wouldn't be any trolls here, now would there?
wes
Replicant
can't understand how you are still discussing about Chris and let that
fuc* bast* SPOILER Darth Maul spoils us all with no flames at all. I
consider that far more serious for the NG. Personally, I hope I'll never
put my hands on this guy. But I don't think he's got neither the guts
nor the brains to show up himself again, the little s* of a b*!
For you Chris, congratulations! I confess I thought it was a troll, but
kept on reading for fun. I think also that you was childish in the way
you expressed your fun but I respect and envy that, it's your way. I
really would like to be in your place but I think I am too old now (for
a Nexus6 model, of course).
gack
Wes Hutchings wrote:
> A lot of them? Out of 5000 messages how many in a lot of them?
It wasnt how many messages he posted. He's an obnoxious blockhead,
just like you. And neither of you know it or likely will ever know it.
You were born annoying. It is a gift. Enjoy it.
>
> personally if it had been me and I'd been in his situation I would have done
> much what he did.
So true.
> And then like lemmings everyone
> else decided to get in on it.
Sounding more and more like him---blaming everybody but yourself.
A dash of paranoia spices up your obnoxiosity.
> Anyone of you could have ignored him. I did.
And you're still talking about him days after he is (hopefully) gone . . .
>
> Why?
Because we love you.
> >> He annoyed many, many, many someones.
Exactly, but this is something Wes cannot understand because he is
blind to how annoying he himself is:
Rimrunner
[snip]
>> The suggestion that he wait a few days between queries is not
>> unreasonable.
>An article doesn't propogate. The time it takes to post is measured in
>seconds.
Um. Not to be bitchy, but do you know what "propagation" means in this
context?
Sure, the time between when you post something and it shows up on your own
server is generally measurable in seconds.
As I mentioned earlier, this guy's original queries took a few days to
reach my server, where all five of them piled up, along with all of the
responses.
[snip]
>> Do you have any idea how long it takes for trn to run a killfile on 5000
>> articles?
>One: I don't use a killfile. Never have, Never will.
That's your right. I use one because it's either that or leave Usenet
entirely. I don't have time to wade through everything on every newsgroup
I read.
>Two: He was fighting back from being flamed and he got flamed for it...and
>so on....
Like I said--he's not entirely to blame, and I think the folks who flamed
him should lighten up.
But flamewars are an exercise in futility, in my experience. Sure, they
can be quite entertaining, and a great chance to practice creative
insults, but other than that they're pretty much a waste of time.
[snip]
>> Clue: this is not news.balkans.kosovo.war . It's RASSM/AFS. People are
>> here to discuss Star Wars.
>>
>> The Kosovo discussion is happening elsewhere.
>He referrenced Kososvo in a thread in which he is discussing TPM. That is
>infifnitely more on topic then the morons who posted negative shit about him
>with no mention of the film whatsoever.
OK. How so? As far as I can see, he wasn't relating Kosovo to tPM, he was
relating Kosovo to certain parties' nitpicking treatment of him.
[snip]
>> Nobody is arguing that someone can't ask a question. What people are
>> arguing is that it wastes people's time to ask the same question over and
>> over and over in a short period of time. The initial article didn't hit my
>> server until days after it was originally posted.
>>
>> [snip]
>AFS.
> Why did yoou have to endure more than five lines? Because a number of
>people flamed someone for asking a question about Star Wars.
I think I said that.
[snip]
> As to NG server time. Mine posts my posts within a minute and I get
>responses within the next minute. Sometimes I won't see posts from someone I
>used to see all the time and I can only read them when someoen else responds
>to them. Your server is your problem. Not his.
OK. You have a good server. Many people have slower servers, not just me.
This is why netiquette exists.
[snip]
>> He posted multiple copies of the same material to Usenet. Fits the
>> definition to me.
>He sent out the same question five times.
>He sent it to the NG where anyone is free to look at it.
He sent it to more than one NG.
>He did not send it to anyones e-mail. If he has then no one has told me and
>I have asked. Maybe it will appear later in these posts. Until then he
>didn't spam.
Spam refers to Usenet as well, not just e-mail.
[snip]
>no one here has the right to make someone stop posting here. If we did then
>there wouldn't be any trolls here, now would there?
Nobody MADE him stop. As you correctly pointed out, the only way to do
that is to complain to someone's ISP, and even then that doesn't always
work--I've run across few ISPs that will restrict or cancel someone's
account because two or three people complain.
But it works both ways. People have a right to complain to him, or to all
the newsgroups he posted to if they want, just as much as he has a right
to post his question.
[snipped to end]
Rimrunner
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<repl...@nexus6.net> writes
>For you Chris, congratulations! I confess I thought it was a troll, but
>kept on reading for fun. I think also that you was childish in the way
>you expressed your fun but I respect and envy that, it's your way. I
>really would like to be in your place but I think I am too old now (for
>a Nexus6 model, of course).
Yes but if only he could see what you`ve seen with your eyes !!! ;-)
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>So what I ask of you all is to just show a LITTLE bit of understanding if I
>act like a kid by putting the details on a web site, and asking this group 5
>times to tell me if they remember me.
I can understand when someone is being annoying, I just don't have to like
and/or support it. Like when some kid is saying "look at me, look at me, look
at me".
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Unless he's from a country without the film yet, it makes no sense. Then again,
my thought would be that anyone involved with the movie would get a chance to see
it courtesy of Lucasfilm or whatever. Hell, I got free tickets to see a movie
that my *cat* was in.
Wes Hutchings wrote:
> ----------
> In article <dQL13.23$Nm4....@news03.micron.net.>, "Preston Crawford"
> <pres...@micron.net> wrote:
>
> > Wes Hutchings wrote in message <3747...@news1.jps.net>...
> >> Instead you decided to get in another jab at him.
> >
> >
> > That was my first jab actually.
> Okay, fair enough.
>
> >
> >> Since you didn't read it. You don't know what he said and therefore missed
> >>a lot of why's and reasons for what he did that so disturbed your world.
> >
> >
> > Actually, I did read enough.
> That's a little like reading the introduction to a murder mystery and
> deciding you know who did it. You might be right, but odds are pretty good
> you haven't read enough to make that judgement.
>
> > He was in Star Wars. Good for him. I'm happy, but at a certain point being
> happy for himself turns to shameless self-promotion and he crossed that line
> along time ago.
> > Preston
> Apparently you feel he passed that point. I guess you missed the part where
> he explains the reason behind asking the question more than once. He says it
> was because he asked the question. Got a variety of responses, but no
> answer, then they tapered off. He asked again with a repeat of results.
> This went on until he got an answer. All the while having to fend off
> people expressing an adverse opinion which seemed to be more an expression
> of jealousy than being upset because he asked a question 5 times.
Wes Hutchings
----------
In article <374AD95D...@longines.net>, gack <gack...@longines.net>
wrote:
>
>
> Wes Hutchings wrote:
>
>> A lot of them? Out of 5000 messages how many in a lot of them?
>
> It wasnt how many messages he posted. He's an obnoxious blockhead,
> just like you. And neither of you know it or likely will ever know it.
> You were born annoying. It is a gift. Enjoy it.
Explain what was obnoxious about him asking a question 5 times.
Explain what is obnoxious about me posting a few responses about how many
assholes turned an innocent question into a flame.
You know next to nothing about me. If you want to know anything, ask.
>>
>> personally if it had been me and I'd been in his situation I would have done
>> much what he did.
>
> So true.
>
>> And then like lemmings everyone
>> else decided to get in on it.
>
> Sounding more and more like him---blaming everybody but yourself.
> A dash of paranoia spices up your obnoxiosity.
What is paranoid about that? I think you need to get a dictionary and look
these words up before you use them.
>
>> Anyone of you could have ignored him. I did.
>
> And you're still talking about him days after he is (hopefully) gone . . .
I'm still responding to people who are still voicing there opinion of him
days after he's gone. I wouldn't be writing this if you hadn't written it
and I hadn't seen it, but I did, so I am.
>>
>> Why?
>
> Because we love you.
>
>> >> He annoyed many, many, many someones.
>
> Exactly, but this is something Wes cannot understand because he is
> blind to how annoying he himself is:
No. I understand how annoying I am. I simply don't give a shit. As long as
people make moronic statements and baseless criticisms I'll respond to each
one I see. Fortunately with all of the morons here now I don't have to spend
as much time reading these, because there aren't that many opinions here
worth reading.
You'll all be gone in a couple of days when the newness wears off and then
you'll go ont o your next hobby. probably bashing sacks of puppies or like
minded activity.
wes