Meaning of Darth
James Martin
Just a thought,
Jim
BIGMUNY42
bigmuny42
John Donchig
>
> No darth means "dark" in swedish, Vader means "father" in the same language
> bigmuny42
Not quite. "Dark" in Swedish is "mork" with to dots over the "o".
John D.
ekim
Father) Maybe Darth means dark in the SW Universe too.
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Frank Ward
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Arlene Usui
> Could Darth be a conglomeration of Dar and th from Dark Lord
> of the Sith?
That's one of those "If it's not, it oughta be"-type comments. :-)
Good thinking, Jim!
(I know "Darth" has a distinct Earth meaning, but who's to say in
the Star Wars universe it isn't a short form of something else?)
-arlene
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John Donchig
Not even close. "Darth" has NO meaning in Dutch. Look it up.
John D.
B.J.W.
>No darth means "dark" in swedish, Vader means "father" in the same language
LOL! This is how urban legends get started...
As far as I know, "darth" means nothing in any language. And though "vader"
does mean "father" in Dutch (hardly Swedish, or even a Scandinavian
language), I'm pretty sure Lucas wasn't aware of that.
Besides, which do you prefer? A Dark Lord using "-vader", like another one
used "-sidious" - or a Dark Lord saying: "Hey, I think I'll name myself
after the Dutch word for 'father', so when I finally meet my long-lost son I
can tell him the answer was staring him the face the whole time!"
Personally, I'm with no.1. :-)
Bas-Jan
Jason Townsend
Well, you have to admit it makes sense that Lucas wanted to have Dark
Father as a hidden meaning, just from the similarity in sound. I doubt
there was any more inspiration for the name than just phonetic similarity.
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B.J.W.
Jason Townsend wrote:
>>Besides, which do you prefer? A Dark Lord using "-vader", like another one
>>used "-sidious" - or a Dark Lord saying: "Hey, I think I'll name myself
>>after the Dutch word for 'father', so when I finally meet my long-lost son
>>I can tell him the answer was staring him the face the whole time!"
>>Personally, I'm with no.1. :-)
>
>Well, you have to admit it makes sense that Lucas wanted to have Dark
>Father as a hidden meaning, just from the similarity in sound. I doubt
>there was any more inspiration for the name than just phonetic similarity.
Sure, if you believe that Lucas always intended Vader to be Luke's father. I
think it's arguable, though by no means certain, that Lucas was actually
planning nothing of the kind while shooting ANH. The fact that some of Red
Leader's lines (about Luke's father) were left out from the restored Biggs
scene at the end of the ANH:SE seems to indicate this.
Also, if you go back to the earliest drafts of Star Wars, you'll find that
Darth Vader and the "cyborg father" are two separate characters. So while I
do think Lucas had certain concepts in the back of his mind from the very
beginning, and while the sound of the name may have inspired Lucas to make
Vader Luke's father, "Darth Vader" apparently has an origin of its own.
Bas-Jan
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universe the word
"Darth" seems to refer to some kind of Sith title, like Lord or Master.
This could be confirmed by
the arrival of "Darth Maul" another Sith saber-wielder.
Hothling
Bickmore
jason.t...@stanford.edu (Jason Townsend) wrote:
> In article <911430785.6060.0...@news.demon.co.uk>, "B.J.W."
> <w...@oh.why> wrote:
> >>No darth means "dark" in swedish, Vader means "father" in the same language
> >
> >LOL! This is how urban legends get started...
> >
> >As far as I know, "darth" means nothing in any language. And though "vader"
> >does mean "father" in Dutch (hardly Swedish, or even a Scandinavian
> >language), I'm pretty sure Lucas wasn't aware of that.
> >
> >Besides, which do you prefer? A Dark Lord using "-vader", like another one
> >used "-sidious" - or a Dark Lord saying: "Hey, I think I'll name myself
> >after the Dutch word for 'father', so when I finally meet my long-lost son I
> >can tell him the answer was staring him the face the whole time!"
> >Personally, I'm with no.1. :-)
>
> Well, you have to admit it makes sense that Lucas wanted to have Dark
> Father as a hidden meaning, just from the similarity in sound. I doubt
> there was any more inspiration for the name than just phonetic similarity.
>
> -Jason
Lucas wasn't sure if Darth Vader would be Luke's father when writing ANH.
Only when he had to write the script for ESB did he make up his mind. He
has said that he would keep it that way because it was orginally planned
like that.
Adam Kohen
>
> In article <911430785.6060.0...@news.demon.co.uk>, "B.J.W."
> <w...@oh.why> wrote:
> >>No darth means "dark" in swedish, Vader means "father" in the same language
> >
> >LOL! This is how urban legends get started...
> >
> >As far as I know, "darth" means nothing in any language. And though "vader"
> >does mean "father" in Dutch (hardly Swedish, or even a Scandinavian
> >language), I'm pretty sure Lucas wasn't aware of that.
> >
> >Besides, which do you prefer? A Dark Lord using "-vader", like another one
> >used "-sidious" - or a Dark Lord saying: "Hey, I think I'll name myself
> >after the Dutch word for 'father', so when I finally meet my long-lost son I
> >can tell him the answer was staring him the face the whole time!"
> >Personally, I'm with no.1. :-)
>
> Well, you have to admit it makes sense that Lucas wanted to have Dark
> Father as a hidden meaning, just from the similarity in sound. I doubt
> there was any more inspiration for the name than just phonetic similarity.
OK, then what about Darth Maul? Hmm, sounds like Dark Ma. OH MY GOD!
Darth Maul is Obi-wan's mother! Oops, I guess that's a <SPOILER>!!!
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>
> VADER means father in Duch!!!
>
> Jack, original Dutchie
I know, but then again I'm Dutch too.
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>
> Actually Darth means "father" in dutch
>
> John Donchig wrote in message <365273...@earthlink.net>...
> >>
> >> No darth means "dark" in swedish, Vader means "father" in the same
> language
> >
> >
> >Not quite. "Dark" in Swedish is "mork" with to dots over the "o".
> >
> >John D.
> >
Not Darth but Vader means "father" in Dutch. Darth has no meaning in
Dutch.
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raymond young
Sansweet and gives a lot of insight to the creation of Vader.... read up
from whoever this is:
~:BIGMUNY42 wrote:
~:>No darth means "dark" in swedish, Vader means "father" in the same language
~:LOL! This is how urban legends get started...
~:As far as I know, "darth" means nothing in any language. And though "vader"
~:does mean "father" in Dutch (hardly Swedish, or even a Scandinavian
~:language), I'm pretty sure Lucas wasn't aware of that.
~:Besides, which do you prefer? A Dark Lord using "-vader", like another one
~:used "-sidious" - or a Dark Lord saying: "Hey, I think I'll name myself
~:after the Dutch word for 'father', so when I finally meet my long-lost son I
~:can tell him the answer was staring him the face the whole time!"
~:Personally, I'm with no.1. :-)
~:Bas-Jan
Anakin Starkiller
: Actually Darth means "father" in dutch
No, the dutch (Nederlands) word for Father is "vader".
Made for interesting ondertitles (subtitles) when watching ROJ, everytime
Luke said "Father" the subtitle said "vader" :) "Is Darth Vader mijn
vader?" :)
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Becca
that would be an ümlaut......
Becca
it is in darth vader...rather the a is short, and not long... (i think
that's right?)
Pete Vilmur
Arthur story, "Morte D'Arthur" (see "darth" in the title?). This
certainly was source material for Lucas' mythological epic.....
John Donchig
Not to piss on the MANY theories I've heard about how Lucas came up with
"Darth"....but maybe he pulled it out of the proverbial hat? Huh?
John D.
Anakin Starkiller
: i think we need to point out however, that "vader" is NOT pronounced the way
: it is in darth vader...rather the a is short, and not long... (i think
: that's right?)
Correct, it sounds kind of like "fah-der" Not "vay-der"
Of course the most important Dutch phrase I learned was "mag ik een Big
Mac" ...
: >No, the dutch (Nederlands) word for Father is "vader".
: >
: >Made for interesting ondertitles (subtitles) when watching ROJ, everytime
: >Luke said "Father" the subtitle said "vader" :) "Is Darth Vader mijn
: >vader?" :)
Tubitu
>
> >> >...with to dots over the "o".
>
> that would be an ümlaut......
you're talking to the wrong person here. ;-)
Tubitu