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Oct 22, 2023, 4:45:04 PM10/22/23

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On 2023-09-22 11:34 AM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:

> That's not the way the Liaden old universe worked. For instance, the

> value of Pi was not the same, setting aside a completely different set

> of stars & planets.

Given that pi can be calculated in multiple ways as the sum of

mathematical converging infinite series, it's hard to see how that could

be... Archie Plutonium's "theories" notwithstanding. Of course, that's

the mathematical constant, which can differ from the _physical_ value

(e.g. the ratio between the circumference and diameter of a circle)

depending on the curvature of space.

Joel

> That's not the way the Liaden old universe worked. For instance, the

> value of Pi was not the same, setting aside a completely different set

> of stars & planets.

Given that pi can be calculated in multiple ways as the sum of

mathematical converging infinite series, it's hard to see how that could

be... Archie Plutonium's "theories" notwithstanding. Of course, that's

the mathematical constant, which can differ from the _physical_ value

(e.g. the ratio between the circumference and diameter of a circle)

depending on the curvature of space.

Joel

Oct 22, 2023, 4:50:04 PM10/22/23

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On 2023-09-18 6:38 PM, WolfFan wrote:

> Poul Anderson once had a fantasy involving all kinds of magical creatures and

> all kinds of magical effects, such as certain creatures turning to stone on

> being exposed to sunlight... and inflicting a curse on any who plunder their

> stoney bodies. Obviously, if carbon is transmuted to silicon, it’ll

> probably be a _radioactive_ isotope of silicon... Similar sciency-stuff for

> other things.

> [...]

> Any more candidates?

Charles Stross's "Laundry Files" books, beginning with _The Atrocity

Archives_, are more or less in this territory. Including a

petrification effect very similar to the above.

Joel

> Poul Anderson once had a fantasy involving all kinds of magical creatures and

> all kinds of magical effects, such as certain creatures turning to stone on

> being exposed to sunlight... and inflicting a curse on any who plunder their

> stoney bodies. Obviously, if carbon is transmuted to silicon, it’ll

> probably be a _radioactive_ isotope of silicon... Similar sciency-stuff for

> other things.

> [...]

> Any more candidates?

Charles Stross's "Laundry Files" books, beginning with _The Atrocity

Archives_, are more or less in this territory. Including a

petrification effect very similar to the above.

Joel

Oct 22, 2023, 8:27:14 PM10/22/23

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In article <5902752a-4c6c-4300...@sympatico.ca>,

Well, the context is that Professor Liad calls out the value as a

adjustment factor during the inter-universal transversal, and it apparently

means nothhing to anyone else in the crew (who are all mathy spacers

themselves).

--

columbiaclosings.com

What's not in Columbia anymore..

adjustment factor during the inter-universal transversal, and it apparently

means nothhing to anyone else in the crew (who are all mathy spacers

themselves).

--

columbiaclosings.com

What's not in Columbia anymore..

Oct 23, 2023, 9:23:00 AM10/23/23

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of the circumference of a circle to its diameter is not constant, but

depends on its diameter (at least) and position (in a negatively

curved space, I think).

--

Michael F. Stemper

Economists have correctly predicted seven of the last three recessions.

Oct 30, 2023, 3:45:24 PM10/30/23

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space-time.

--

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Oct 31, 2023, 12:39:35 PM10/31/23

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Michael wrote:

> Joel Polowin wrote:

pertinent philosophy shown below doesn't make sense.

The ratio of a circle's circumference to its diameter is an

observable fact. And accordingly associated with Aristotlean thought.

OTOH, notions of non-Euclidean space are Platonic. And non-

Euclidean space Platonically pulls pi apart to the breaking point?

Danke,

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Don.......My cat's )\._.,--....,'``. https://crcomp.net/reviews.php

telltale tall tail /, _.. \ _\ (`._ ,. Walk humbly with thy God.

tells tall tales.. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.' Make 1984 fiction again.

> Joel Polowin wrote:

>> Ted wrote:

>>> That's not the way the Liaden old universe worked. For instance, the

>>> value of Pi was not the same, setting aside a completely different set

>>> of stars & planets.

>>

>> Given that pi can be calculated in multiple ways as the sum of mathematical

>> converging infinite series, it's hard to see how that could be... Archie

>> Plutonium's "theories" notwithstanding. Of course, that's the mathematical

>> constant, which can differ from the _physical_ value (e.g. the ratio between

>> the circumference and diameter of a circle) depending on the curvature of

>> space.

>

> Of course, in anything other than flat, Euclidean space, the ratio

> of the circumference of a circle to its diameter is not constant, but

> depends on its diameter (at least) and position (in a negatively

> curved space, I think).

Allow me to use the groups as an adhoc classroom. Let me know if my pi
>>> That's not the way the Liaden old universe worked. For instance, the

>>> value of Pi was not the same, setting aside a completely different set

>>> of stars & planets.

>>

>> Given that pi can be calculated in multiple ways as the sum of mathematical

>> converging infinite series, it's hard to see how that could be... Archie

>> Plutonium's "theories" notwithstanding. Of course, that's the mathematical

>> constant, which can differ from the _physical_ value (e.g. the ratio between

>> the circumference and diameter of a circle) depending on the curvature of

>> space.

>

> Of course, in anything other than flat, Euclidean space, the ratio

> of the circumference of a circle to its diameter is not constant, but

> depends on its diameter (at least) and position (in a negatively

> curved space, I think).

pertinent philosophy shown below doesn't make sense.

The ratio of a circle's circumference to its diameter is an

observable fact. And accordingly associated with Aristotlean thought.

OTOH, notions of non-Euclidean space are Platonic. And non-

Euclidean space Platonically pulls pi apart to the breaking point?

Danke,

--

Don.......My cat's )\._.,--....,'``. https://crcomp.net/reviews.php

telltale tall tail /, _.. \ _\ (`._ ,. Walk humbly with thy God.

tells tall tales.. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.' Make 1984 fiction again.

Oct 31, 2023, 3:06:49 PM10/31/23

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On 10/31/2023 9:39 AM, Don wrote:

> Michael wrote:

>> Joel Polowin wrote:

>>> Ted wrote:

>>>> That's not the way the Liaden old universe worked. For instance, the

>>>> value of Pi was not the same, setting aside a completely different set

>>>> of stars & planets.

>>>

>>> Given that pi can be calculated in multiple ways as the sum of mathematical

>>> converging infinite series, it's hard to see how that could be... Archie

>>> Plutonium's "theories" notwithstanding. Of course, that's the mathematical

>>> constant, which can differ from the _physical_ value (e.g. the ratio between

>>> the circumference and diameter of a circle) depending on the curvature of

>>> space.

>>

>> Of course, in anything other than flat, Euclidean space, the ratio

>> of the circumference of a circle to its diameter is not constant, but

>> depends on its diameter (at least) and position (in a negatively

>> curved space, I think).

>

> Allow me to use the groups as an adhoc classroom. Let me know if my pi

> pertinent philosophy shown below doesn't make sense.

> The ratio of a circle's circumference to its diameter is an

> observable fact. And accordingly associated with Aristotlean thought.

> OTOH, notions of non-Euclidean space are Platonic. And non-

> Euclidean space Platonically pulls pi apart to the breaking point?

>

Purely thought experiment until such time as we can observe
> Michael wrote:

>> Joel Polowin wrote:

>>> Ted wrote:

>>>> That's not the way the Liaden old universe worked. For instance, the

>>>> value of Pi was not the same, setting aside a completely different set

>>>> of stars & planets.

>>>

>>> Given that pi can be calculated in multiple ways as the sum of mathematical

>>> converging infinite series, it's hard to see how that could be... Archie

>>> Plutonium's "theories" notwithstanding. Of course, that's the mathematical

>>> constant, which can differ from the _physical_ value (e.g. the ratio between

>>> the circumference and diameter of a circle) depending on the curvature of

>>> space.

>>

>> Of course, in anything other than flat, Euclidean space, the ratio

>> of the circumference of a circle to its diameter is not constant, but

>> depends on its diameter (at least) and position (in a negatively

>> curved space, I think).

>

> Allow me to use the groups as an adhoc classroom. Let me know if my pi

> pertinent philosophy shown below doesn't make sense.

> The ratio of a circle's circumference to its diameter is an

> observable fact. And accordingly associated with Aristotlean thought.

> OTOH, notions of non-Euclidean space are Platonic. And non-

> Euclidean space Platonically pulls pi apart to the breaking point?

>

non-Euclidean space to conduct actual experiments.

--

I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky

dirty old man.

Nov 1, 2023, 9:18:19 AM11/1/23

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center)

--

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Dec 20, 2023, 10:27:50 PM12/20/23

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a deep depression in flat, 2-D space. But, the thought experiment is

cognitive dissonant because 3-D space is directly observable. This

is one manifestation of the dilemma of Modern Physics.

It is the mathematical orthodoxy of the universe that

enables theorists like Einstein to predict and discover

natural laws simply by the solution of equations. But

the paradox of physics today is that with every

improvement in its mathematical apparatus the gulf

between man the observer and the objective world of

scientific description becomes more profound. ...

The Universe and Dr. Einstein forces, its origins, and

its rationality and harmony, tend to avoid using the

word God. Yet Einstein, who has been called an atheist,

has no such inhibitions. "My religion," he says,

"consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable

superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight

details we are able to perceive with our frail and

feeble minds. That deeply emotional conviction of the

presence of a superior reasoning power, which is

revealed in the incomprehensible universe, forms my

idea of God."

_The Universe and Dr Einstein_ (Barnett)

Perhaps a black sphere more closely resembles the reality of

3-D space as observed. Yet, who on Earth can imagine an

infinitely deep black sphere?

God is an intelligible sphere whose center is

everywhere and whose circumference is nowhere.

<https://muse.jhu.edu/article/227790>

Dec 22, 2023, 12:26:25 AM12/22/23

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In rec.arts.sf.written Don <g...@crcomp.net> wrote:

> Yes. The limitation of man's mind makes men imagine a black hole as

> a deep depression in flat, 2-D space. But, the thought experiment is

> cognitive dissonant because 3-D space is directly observable. This

> is one manifestation of the dilemma of Modern Physics.

If you ever read Peter Woit's _Not Even Wrong_
> Yes. The limitation of man's mind makes men imagine a black hole as

> a deep depression in flat, 2-D space. But, the thought experiment is

> cognitive dissonant because 3-D space is directly observable. This

> is one manifestation of the dilemma of Modern Physics.

http://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/

there are several recent posts on his work on a twistor model with

"standard Euclidean spacetime" that is "complexified" (has real and

imaginary components of time) and might be usable to unify

GR and QFT/standard model. I don't understand any of it ;), but I

do understand that Minkowski space-time is, in some ways,

an arbitrary choice.

ObSF John G. Cramer's _Twistor_

Cheers, David Duffy.

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