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Alexander Bartolich

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Aug 9, 2010, 2:18:58 AM8/9/10
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MODERATOR VACANCY INVESTIGATION (MVI)
moderated group rec.arts.sf.reviews

This is a formal Moderator Vacancy Investigation (MVI), begun because
moderated newsgroup rec.arts.sf.reviews is not functioning,
and may have been abandoned by its moderator(s).

This investigation will attempt to verify the reasons for non-function,
and may result in the removal of the group or the selection and instal-
lation of a new moderator. In practice, the Big-8 Management Board
considers the third alternative--changing the status of the group from
moderated to unmoderated--as likely to cause more harm than good.

RATIONALE:

According to Google's archive the last regular post was approved on
2004-12-07. The last regular crosspost (approved by the moderators of
rec.arts.movies.reviews) was published 2005-04-26.

A probe message resulted in a bounce.

sf-re...@postmodern.com
(generated from rec-arts-...@moderators.isc.org)
SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:<sf-re...@postmodern.com>:
host penguin.postmodern.com [75.101.18.162]: 550 5.1.1
<sf-re...@postmodern.com>... User unknown

NEWSGROUPS LINE:

rec.arts.sf.reviews Reviews of science fiction/fantasy/horror works. (Moderated)

DISTRIBUTION:

news.announce.newgroups
news.groups.proposals
rec.arts.sf.reviews
rec.arts.sf.misc

CHARTER OF REC.ARTS.SF.REVIEWS

rec.arts.sf-reviews will be a moderated newsgroup, under shared
moderation, whose purpose is to distribute reviews and critical
reviews of works of interest to the science fiction/fantasy/horror
community.

"Works" includes but is not limited to: books, short stories,
movies, "graphic novels," and any other publically-available media.

"Of interest to the sf/f/h community" will be interpreted
liberally by the sitting moderator. The discussion period for
the creation of this group has led to the conclusion that nonfiction
or other kinds of fiction by and/or about sf/f/h writers would be
permitted, as well as non-fiction of a sort related to one of the
above (e.g., speculative science books or mythographies).

Reviews of individual episodes or issues of continuing TV series,
comic books, etc., would most likely _not_ be permitted; however,
reviews of such series as a whole, or of large "arcs" of such
series, would most likely be permitted. As noted, however, this
would be up to the judgement of the sitting moderator, as influenced
by the readership.

Multiple reviews of the same work(s) will be welcome, as will
single reviews of multiple works. Comments on reviews will be
passed to the newsgroup on a _highly_ selective basis: generally,
they must say something new about the work, rather than simply
discussing the review. This is not intended to stifle debate
but to keep the content/noise ratio as high as possible.

HISTORY OF THE GROUP:

rec.arts.sf-reviews is a moderated newsgroup which passed its vote for
creation by 342:25 as reported in news.announce.newgroups on 8 May 1991.
rec.arts.sf.reviews supersedes it as per the 714:86 vote in the
rec.arts.sf reorganization results announced on 13 October 1991.

PROPONENT:

Alexander Bartolich <alexander...@gmx.at>

PROCEDURE:

Those who wish to comment on this moderator vacancy investigation should
subscribe to news.groups.proposals and participate in the relevant
threads in that newsgroup.

To this end, the followup header of this MVI has been set to
news.groups.proposals.

For more information on the MVI process, please see

http://www.big-8.org/wiki/Moderator_Vacancy_Investigations

CHANGE HISTORY:

2010-05-20 First probe post
2010-08-09 Moderator Vacancy Investigation

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Alexander Bartolich

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Aug 23, 2010, 1:43:56 AM8/23/10
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REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
moderated group rec.arts.sf.reviews

This is a formal Request for Discussion (RFD) to remove moderated
newsgroup rec.arts.sf.reviews.

RATIONALE:

According to Google's archive the last regular post was approved on
2004-12-07. The last regular crosspost (approved by the moderators of
rec.arts.movies.reviews) was published 2005-04-26.

A probe message resulted in a bounce.

sf-re...@postmodern.com
(generated from rec-arts-...@moderators.isc.org)
SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:<sf-re...@postmodern.com>:
host penguin.postmodern.com [75.101.18.162]: 550 5.1.1
<sf-re...@postmodern.com>... User unknown

Aahz Maruch forwarded the MVI to Alan Wexelblat, the moderator of
record, and got no response.
>Message-ID: <i3p7pg$m5p$1...@panix5.panix.com>

Stephen Graham said he would be willing to serve as moderator, but is
concerned that the long period without posts will make it difficult
to get started again.
>Message-ID: <DMWdnT_ULIxbt_3R...@speakeasy.net>

NEWSGROUPS LINE:

DISTRIBUTION:

news.announce.newgroups
news.groups.proposals
rec.arts.sf.reviews
rec.arts.sf.misc

CHARTER OF REC.ARTS.SF.REVIEWS

HISTORY OF THE GROUP:

PROPONENT:

Alexander Bartolich <alexander...@gmx.at>

PROCEDURE:

Those who wish to comment on this request to remove this newsgroup should


subscribe to news.groups.proposals and participate in the relevant threads
in that newsgroup.

To this end, the followup header of this RFD has been set to
news.groups.proposals.

In the course of the removal process four formal announcements are posted
(MVI, 1st RFD, 2nd RFD, and LCC), each taking two weeks. At the end of the
process the B8MB will vote on the issue.

Available options for rec.arts.sf.reviews are:
- leave the group as it is
- remove the group

For more information on the removal process, please see

http://www.big-8.org/wiki/Group_Removal_FAQ

CHANGE HISTORY:

2010-05-20 First probe post
2010-08-09 Moderator Vacancy Investigation

2010-08-23 1st RFD

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Alexander Bartolich

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Sep 6, 2010, 11:38:51 AM9/6/10
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REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
moderated group rec.arts.sf.reviews

This is a formal Request for Discussion (RFD) to remove moderated
newsgroup rec.arts.sf.reviews.

RATIONALE:

According to Google's archive the last regular post was approved on
2004-12-07. The last regular crosspost (approved by the moderators of
rec.arts.movies.reviews) was published 2005-04-26.

A probe message resulted in a bounce.

sf-re...@postmodern.com
(generated from rec-arts-...@moderators.isc.org)
SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:<sf-re...@postmodern.com>:
host penguin.postmodern.com [75.101.18.162]: 550 5.1.1
<sf-re...@postmodern.com>... User unknown

Aahz Maruch forwarded the MVI to Alan Wexelblat, the moderator of
record, and got no response.
>Message-ID: <i3p7pg$m5p$1...@panix5.panix.com>

Stephen Graham said he would be willing to serve as moderator, but is
concerned that the long period without posts will make it difficult

to get started again. He posted a query to related groups and received
negative response.
>Message-ID: <DMWdnT_ULIxbt_3R...@speakeasy.net>
>Message-ID: <Asedne3CkrmY--jR...@speakeasy.net>

NEWSGROUPS LINE:

DISTRIBUTION:

news.announce.newgroups
news.groups.proposals
rec.arts.sf.reviews
rec.arts.sf.misc

CHARTER OF REC.ARTS.SF.REVIEWS

HISTORY OF THE GROUP:

PROPONENT:

Alexander Bartolich <alexander...@gmx.at>

PROCEDURE:

http://www.big-8.org/wiki/Group_Removal_FAQ

CHANGE HISTORY:

2010-09-06 2nd RFD

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Big-8 Management Board

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Oct 2, 2010, 8:27:27 AM10/2/10
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RATIONALE:

NEWSGROUPS LINE:

DISTRIBUTION:

news.announce.newgroups
news.groups.proposals
rec.arts.sf.reviews
rec.arts.sf.misc

CHARTER OF REC.ARTS.SF.REVIEWS

HISTORY OF THE GROUP:

PROPONENT:

Alexander Bartolich <alexander...@gmx.at>

PROCEDURE:

http://www.big-8.org/wiki/Group_Removal_FAQ

CHANGE HISTORY:

2010-10-02 LCC

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Big-8 Management Board

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Oct 9, 2010, 3:26:38 PM10/9/10
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RESULT
rec.arts.sf.reviews will be removed

The Last Call for Comments (LCC) on 2010-10-02 initiated a five-day
period for final comments. Following this comment period, the Big-8
Management Board has decided by consensus to remove moderated group
rec.arts.sf.reviews.

RATIONALE:

NEWSGROUPS LINE:

DISTRIBUTION:

news.announce.newgroups
news.groups.proposals
rec.arts.sf.reviews
rec.arts.sf.misc

CHARTER OF REC.ARTS.SF.REVIEWS

HISTORY OF THE GROUP:

PROPONENT:

Alexander Bartolich <alexander...@gmx.at>

CHANGE HISTORY:

2010-05-20 First probe post
2010-08-09 Moderator Vacancy Investigation
2010-08-23 1st RFD
2010-09-06 2nd RFD
2010-10-02 LCC

2010-10-09 RESULT

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