12 Monkeys: those blue panties & Richard Speck
Kolaga
There are several (dozens!) of scenes in Twelve Monkeys that puzzled
me. One scene. after Dr. Peters leaves the airport security check,
has a possible explanation. The inspector waves some blue underwear
at Dr. Peters who returns and takes the panties and stuffs them in
his newspaper. The underwear appears to be women's.
I just recently came across an old news item. Mass murderer Richard
Speck was videotaped in prison parading around in blue women's
panties. I suppose that this scene from 12 Monkeys is supposed to
be a reference linking Richard Speck to Dr. Peters.
Well, as far as I'm concerned, it's a sick inside joke on the
part of Terry Gilliam. I suppose he claims that everything was
in the script -- he's gonna blame it all on the script writers.
At face value, the scene seems out of place being as we all know
that James Cole is about to die and the little boy James is about
to witness his own death and that 99% of the human race is about
to die. A pair of blue panties does not fit in with the dramatic
nature of that moment.
Now, it appears that the blue panties are a sicko in joke drawn
from a pornographic video tape of a real-life mass murderer.
Terry Gilliam should be ashamed.
===================== quoted from URL below ==========================
[note: this site has some MOV (Quick Time) film clips from the video.]
http://www.mayhem.net/Crime/speck.html
In May, 1996, five years after his death, Richard Speck came back
to life in a pornographic video made secretly in prison. The tape,
believed to have been shot in 1988, shows Speck casually snorting
from a huge pile of coke, wearing woman's panties, rolling joints,
having sex and bragging about living the good life in Statesville
prison. At one point he says, "If they only knew how much fun I was
having in here, they would turn me loose."
===================== quoted from URL below ==========================
http://www.amic.com/amic_mem/news/shoptalk/shoptalk.html
Some of the most compelling footage from Bill Kurtis' sweeps series on
murderer (in 1966 he brutally murdered 8 student nurses) Richard
Speck--footage of Speck in women's panties engaged in a sex act with a
male inmate at Stateville Correctional Center--was left on
WBBM/Channel 2's (Chicago) editing room floor. The unseen footage,
however, is expected to turn up June 22 when Cable's A&E airs a one-
hour documentary on Kurtis' investigative reports called "The Secret
Tapes of Richard Speck." Chicago-based Kurtis Productions obtained the
rights to broadcast the tape from an unidentified lawyer who retains
its ownership. "The tape has been floating around for a while because
nobody knew what to do with it," said Kurtis. "It was used in lieu of
money as payment for a fee in a criminal case involving someone at
Stateville." (Robert Feder's column in the Chicago Sun-Times)
=================== quoted from URL below ============================
http://www5.interaccess.com/chronicle/back/may2196/article1.html
Speck and the Fourth Estate:
Chicago media man Bill Kurtis at the forefront as Congress
evaluates prisons.
By Jason Kravarik
Media Columnist
Minors were told to leave the room. TV cameras were ordered to turn
away. Snapshots were forbidden. Then, an explicit videotape made by
convicted mass murderer Richard Speck and two other inmates was shown
to the House Judiciary Committee in Springfield on May 15.
Those packing the hearing room watched as Speck’s fellow inmate,
Ronzelle Larimore, rubbed money on Speck’s buttocks and forced several
bills into Speck’s rectum. The 100 or so spectators cringed as Speck
and Larimore then engaged in oral sex.
That’s enough. Stop the tape, said committee vice-chairman Peter
Roskam (R-Wheaton). Having seen Speck, Larimore and a third unknown
inmate freely make a two-hour video, it is up to the committee to
determine how such a tape could have been made within Stateville
Prison back in 1988, and to examine the role of the Department of
Correct ions (DOC). To do that, the committee heard testimony from
anchorman Bill Kurtis, who used portions of the tape in his Richard
Speck investigation broadcast over the last two weeks on WBBM-TV
(Channel 2).
During his first-ever government testimony, Kurtis told the committee
that the tape consists of a 45-minute question-and-answer session on
topics ranging from religion to Speck’s murder convictions of eight
Southeast Side nurses in 1966, and another 45 minutes of his sexual
exploits. Speck was also seen snorting a white substance, which
appears to be cocaine.
Were you able to get information on where the drugs are coming in [to
the prison]? asked Rep. Tom Dart (D-Chicago). We have learned that it
was from the guards, Kurtis said. The DOC has not inquired about this?
It seems outrageous, Dart replied.
Kurtis said simply, No, they have not. In another part of the tape,
Speck stood in front of the camera to reveal breasts that were
unusually large for a male. The committee concluded that Speck had
female hormones.
Sitting in women’s underwear, Speck told Larimore, If they only knew
how much fun I was having, they would turn me loose.
==================== end quote =======================================
Marc Fleury
Xiuhte...@worldnet.att.net (Kolaga) wrote:
>There are several (dozens!) of scenes in Twelve Monkeys that puzzled
>me. One scene. after Dr. Peters leaves the airport security check,
>has a possible explanation. The inspector waves some blue underwear
>at Dr. Peters who returns and takes the panties and stuffs them in
>his newspaper. The underwear appears to be women's.
Appearances to the contrary, I have no doubt that these are men's
bikini briefs.
>At face value, the scene seems out of place being as we all know
>that James Cole is about to die and the little boy James is about
>to witness his own death and that 99% of the human race is about
>to die. A pair of blue panties does not fit in with the dramatic
>nature of that moment.
It was a momentary "build the tension -- was he discovered ... no!"
type of moment. Surely you have seen such things in melodramatic
films before.
>Now, it appears that the blue panties are a sicko in joke drawn
>from a pornographic video tape of a real-life mass murderer.
Give us a break. First of all, the Richard Speck video that you
mention was discovered in May of 1996. 12 Monkeys was released in
1995. Gilliam could never have seen or even heard about the video.
>Terry Gilliam should be ashamed.
No, you should be. In some of your earlier posts, I thought that your
ridiculous misreading of the events in 12 Monkeys were kind of funny
in a moronic sort of way. But now you've stepped over the line from
moronic to outright vicious and disgusting.
I hope that everyone in the groups that you have been posting to
recognize you for the troll that you are. I, for one, will no longer
respond to your repulsive articles.
-- Fleury.
mike rice
tet...@fox.nstn.ca (Marc Fleury) wrote:
>Xiuhte...@worldnet.att.net (Kolaga) wrote:
>>There are several (dozens!) of scenes in Twelve Monkeys that puzzled
>>me. One scene. after Dr. Peters leaves the airport security check,
>>has a possible explanation. The inspector waves some blue underwear
>>at Dr. Peters who returns and takes the panties and stuffs them in
>>his newspaper. The underwear appears to be women's.
>Appearances to the contrary, I have no doubt that these are men's
>bikini briefs.
>>At face value, the scene seems out of place being as we all know
>>that James Cole is about to die and the little boy James is about
>>to witness his own death and that 99% of the human race is about
>>to die. A pair of blue panties does not fit in with the dramatic
>>nature of that moment.
>It was a momentary "build the tension -- was he discovered ... no!"
>type of moment. Surely you have seen such things in melodramatic
>films before.
>>Now, it appears that the blue panties are a sicko in joke drawn
>>from a pornographic video tape of a real-life mass murderer.
>Give us a break. First of all, the Richard Speck video that you
>mention was discovered in May of 1996. 12 Monkeys was released in
>1995. Gilliam could never have seen or even heard about the video.
>>Terry Gilliam should be ashamed.
>No, you should be. In some of your earlier posts, I thought that your
>ridiculous misreading of the events in 12 Monkeys were kind of funny
>in a moronic sort of way. But now you've stepped over the line from
>moronic to outright vicious and disgusting.
>I hope that everyone in the groups that you have been posting to
>recognize you for the troll that you are. I, for one, will no longer
>respond to your repulsive articles.
> -- Fleury.
This is off the subject a little. CBS showed a little bit of the
Richard Speck jail tape a little over a week ago. When the
Net first showed it, Speck removed his t-shirt and showed the
breasts he had grown for himself on steroids, to titillate the black
boyfriend who was sitting nearby. I've got a strong stomach,
but that video really turned me off. A lot of other people too,
apparently. When they showed it this time, the tits were given
a littlle video smudging so you couldn't see them. Even though
the original tape made me nervous, I'm not crazy about the CBS
tinkering. I wonder what A&E will do when they run the whole
hour long show again.
Mike Rice
mr...@centuryinter.net
Marks Robert B
mike rice (m...@juno.com) wrote:
: This is off the subject a little. CBS showed a little bit of the
: Richard Speck jail tape a little over a week ago. When the
: Net first showed it, Speck removed his t-shirt and showed the
: breasts he had grown for himself on steroids, to titillate the black
: boyfriend who was sitting nearby. I've got a strong stomach,
: but that video really turned me off. A lot of other people too,
: apparently. When they showed it this time, the tits were given
: a littlle video smudging so you couldn't see them. Even though
: the original tape made me nervous, I'm not crazy about the CBS
: tinkering. I wonder what A&E will do when they run the whole
: hour long show again.
Right! I just lost my appetite...
Robert Marks
--
The future has not been written, / The past is set in stone,
And I am but a lonely wanderer, / With time as my only home.
-- from _Demon's Vengeance_
Hank Laszlo Karmenghia
> Now, it appears that the blue panties are a sicko in joke drawn
> from a pornographic video tape of a real-life mass murderer.
>
> Terry Gilliam should be ashamed.
And if, and that's a big IF, you're interpretation is correct, you
should still lighten up, pal. Terry Gilliam made a fine film. He has
nothing to be ashamed of. You are someone who needs to develop a sense
of priorities.
Bryant Frazer
In alt.cult-movies Kolaga <Xiuhte...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
: Well, once I read the first sentence of the plot summary, I decided
: that the movie was TOO SICK for my taste. I don't like Friday the
: 13th movies either.
No offense, but if I was so fragile a moviegoer that I was refusing to
watch THE SILENCE OF THE LAMBS -- which swept the Oscars a few years ago,
for pity's sake -- I can't imagine why I would be so interested in Richard
Speck. Are you sure you wouldn't be happier if you just stopped thinking
about all this?
-bf-
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Kolaga
>> Now, it appears that the blue panties are a sicko in joke drawn
>> from a pornographic video tape of a real-life mass murderer.
>>
>> Terry Gilliam should be ashamed.
>
>And if, and that's a big IF, you're interpretation is correct, you
>should still lighten up, pal. Terry Gilliam made a fine film. He has
>nothing to be ashamed of. You are someone who needs to develop a sense
>of priorities.
Since Mr. Fleury has stopped responding to my posts, I'll put my
defense here.
Take the movie Silence of the Lambs -- I've never watched the
whole thing basically because the premise sounds appalling:
========== partial quote from IMDB ================================
Silence of the Lambs, The (1991)
Young FBI agent Clarice Starling is assigned to help find a missing
woman to save her from a psychopathic serial killer who skins his
victims.
================ end quote ========================================
Well, once I read the first sentence of the plot summary, I decided
that the movie was TOO SICK for my taste. I don't like Friday the
13th movies either.
Anyway, I _have_ seen parts of the movie because my wife rented it.
Basically, I saw the part where the Scorpio (remember Dirty Harry?)
type villain is dancing around wearing nipple-clamps. This is
supposed to shock the jaded audience that would have slept through
Psycho. (Did James Cole sleep through Psycho?)
So Hollywood knows that it's OK to link sexual perversion with serial
murder which I suppose is probably valid given John Wayne Garcy
and some other murderers whose victims were young men. I must admit
that sex-crimes and murder seem to coexist in real life.
Now I found the Richard Speck stuff on the Web and there he is
parading around in blue panties. I shouldn't be shocked given that
Silence of the Lambs should have prepared me. Still, the idea that
such a human monster could live on in prison having "the time of his
life" is repulsive.
Are Terry Gilliam, the producers and the writers telling us that
Dr. Peters really _is_ the villain because he wears blue panties?
Why am *I* the person who is getting the abuse for asking the
question?
If you think that videos of Richard Speck and his blue panties
should not be discussed, then complain to the Arts and Entertainment
Channel.
The URL that contains some low-resolution clips of Richard Speck
is at:
http://www.mayhem.net/Crime/speck.html
A text page that describes some sort of government inquiry into
the Richard Speck tapes can be found at:
http://www5.interaccess.com/chronicle/back/may2196/article1.html
Ben.
Considering what I have just read, I'm going to respond in a
polite manner. Silence of The Lambs was a great movie, perhaps the
best serial killer film ever.
Serial murders ARE sex crimes. The repeat offenders have bad
wiring inside of their heads, where upon they live in their own little
made up world. Reality is what they make of it.
The very nature of Serial murder is related to sex. These sick
fuckers have drives involving Lust, Rage, Power, Dominance, and Control.
Richard Speck was a world class fuck up, he turned a robbery into a
bloodbath.
I saw the A&E special on him, subsequently I threw up. What in the
hell this has to do with 12 monkeys is beyond me.
IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH 12 MONKEYS.
So in conclusion I want to point out and stress that:
A). The Richard Speck video had NOTHING to do with 12 Monkeys
B). Serial Murders ARE sex crimes
C). Silence of the Lambs is a great movie
D). The original poster of this whole Thread is a world class
fuckup/headcase/ravinglunatic/nutcase/dipshit
Hot Handed God of Email
Ben
"Open your FUCKING mouth and eat the rice"
Chow Yun Fat
jru...@ix.netcom.com
"Ben." <olso...@gbvaxa.uwgb.edu> wrote:
> So in conclusion I want to point out and stress that:
> A). The Richard Speck video had NOTHING to do with 12 Monkeys
> B). Serial Murders ARE sex crimes
> C). Silence of the Lambs is a great movie
> D). The original poster of this whole Thread is a world class
> fuckup/headcase/ravinglunatic/nutcase/dipshit
Oh, come on Ben, don't pull any punches. Tell us what you really
think :)
Kolaga
On Thu, 13 Feb 1997 08:59:46 -0800,
"Ben." <olso...@gbvaxa.uwgb.edu> wrote:
Uh oh, a VAX account. Opinions are easy things to have when
they don't cost anything. My opinions cost me $19.95 a month.
On the other hand, your opinions will cost you once you graduate.
Unfortunately, you'll probably be feeding at the public troth
on Pell Grants and Subsidized Loans for a long time and still
not graduate.
I consider my opinions to be worth more than yours just because
I've been a full-time tax-paying wage-slave for longer than you've
been alive.
> Considering what I have just read, I'm going to respond in a
>polite manner.
See? The very first line of your article is a flame. Come on
and impress me with your mastery of scatology. Don't be afraid.
Or maybe you _should_ be afraid. Harse language may lose you
your free Internet access.
> Silence of The Lambs was a great movie, perhaps the
>best serial killer film ever.
Oh sure. Two psychos for the price of one.
> Serial murders ARE sex crimes. The repeat offenders have bad
>wiring inside of their heads, where upon they live in their own little
>made up world. Reality is what they make of it.
The definition of a serial killer is that he or she kills multiple
people over a period of time. A mass murderer kills multiple people
all in one fell swop. Richard Speck was a mass murderer while
Ted Bundy was a serial killer. In either case, the motive for
murder is rarely monetary or any other "rational" reason. It appears
that the mass murderer is acting out a suicidal impulse and is
taking a lot of other people with him (or her). The serial killer
appears to be acting on some neurotic impulse in that the act of
murder is a source of pleasure.
> The very nature of Serial murder is related to sex. These sick
>fuckers have drives involving Lust, Rage, Power, Dominance, and Control.
>Richard Speck was a world class fuck up, he turned a robbery into a
>bloodbath.
Some of these serial killers do it out of a sense of guilt. By these.
I'm referring to the Geoffery Daumers and the John Wayne Garcies and
maybe even the Ted Bundies. They kill their sex partners so that
no one will know about their sex lives.
> I saw the A&E special on him, subsequently I threw up. What in the
>hell this has to do with 12 monkeys is beyond me.
See. The reason you don't know what this has to do with Twelve
Monkeys is because you aren't paying attention. Hollywood has
firmly latched on to the idea that every murder is the expression
of a neurotic sexual impulse. Hollywood and the American public
is entranced by the liebes-tod of the Jack the Ripper. Notice
how the murders in Double Indemnity are sexualized.
Even movies such as Dr. Strangelove portray the villains as sexual
freaks. So it should be no surprise that the villain of Twelve
Monkeys wears blue panties just like Richard Speck.
> IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH 12 MONKEYS.
Yes it does. Read what I wrote.
>
> So in conclusion I want to point out and stress that:
>
> A). The Richard Speck video had NOTHING to do with 12 Monkeys
Proof by assertion.
> B). Serial Murders ARE sex crimes
I agree for the most part and that was part of my original thesis.
> C). Silence of the Lambs is a great movie
Lots of critics thought so. I find the idea of a cannibalistic
psychiatrist repulsive.
> D). The original poster of this whole Thread is a world class
> fuckup/headcase/ravinglunatic/nutcase/dipshit
Have I really offended you that _deeply_? Are my opinions so
disturbing to you?
Ben. I want you to know that you have hurt me deeply and that I am
weeping as I type this.
spa...@vt.edu
In <3303c6a8...@netnews.worldnet.att.net>, Xiuhte...@worldnet.att.net (Kolaga) writes:
<Random nonsense about vax accounts correlating to a poster's intelligence
deleted>
>
>See. The reason you don't know what this has to do with Twelve
>Monkeys is because you aren't paying attention. Hollywood has
>firmly latched on to the idea that every murder is the expression
>of a neurotic sexual impulse. Hollywood and the American public
>is entranced by the liebes-tod of the Jack the Ripper. Notice
>how the murders in Double Indemnity are sexualized.
>
>Even movies such as Dr. Strangelove portray the villains as sexual
>freaks. So it should be no surprise that the villain of Twelve
>Monkeys wears blue panties just like Richard Speck.
>
>> IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH 12 MONKEYS.
>
>Yes it does. Read what I wrote.
>
>>
>> So in conclusion I want to point out and stress that:
>>
>> A). The Richard Speck video had NOTHING to do with 12 Monkeys
>
>Proof by assertion.
>
So I guess we can't say that 4 headed aliens have nothing to do with 12
Monkeys either? I mean, I could make that assertion, but perhaps you have
some weird as-yet-unmentioned twisted agenda there too and you'll dismiss
the statement. Listen, if you didn't like the movie, fine, we can accept that,
just leave it at that. I've seen quite enough of this total crap about the blue
panties "connection", and guess what... it doesn't seem anybody agrees with
you. One would think it might make you shut up by now, but there's no
accounting for bad wiring in the brain, eh?
Ben.
Hey sport....I'm going to keep my temper here.
I'm majoring in Psychology and Behavioral Science, focusing on
criminology, so I think YOU are the last person to tell ME about serial
killers.
What never seems to amaze me, is simply the complexity of the
human mind. You are obviously a head case and yelling and screaming at you
will do no good.
My mother taught me never to pick on the mentally handicapped
Hot Handed God Of Email
Ben
P.S. Just because you're ignorant, you don't have to enjoy it.
Moon
Xiuhte...@worldnet.att.net (Kolaga) wrote:
>There are several (dozens!) of scenes in Twelve Monkeys that puzzled
>me. One scene. after Dr. Peters leaves the airport security check,
>has a possible explanation. The inspector waves some blue underwear
>at Dr. Peters who returns and takes the panties and stuffs them in
>his newspaper. The underwear appears to be women's.
Well, I just checked the video and it definitely is NO women愀
underwear. O.k., though it愀 not the kinda grandpa thing and I
wouldn愒 wear it but it愀 also no women slip.
>I just recently came across an old news item. Mass murderer Richard
>Speck was videotaped in prison parading around in blue women's
>panties. I suppose that this scene from 12 Monkeys is supposed to
>be a reference linking Richard Speck to Dr. Peters.
>Well, as far as I'm concerned, it's a sick inside joke on the
>part of Terry Gilliam. I suppose he claims that everything was
>in the script -- he's gonna blame it all on the script writers.
>At face value, the scene seems out of place being as we all know
>that James Cole is about to die and the little boy James is about
>to witness his own death and that 99% of the human race is about
>to die. A pair of blue panties does not fit in with the dramatic
>nature of that moment.
Goddamn, that愀 almost too natural the absurd humour of Terry Gilliam
(a former member of Monty Phyton, remember ?). The villian almost
passed the security check but suddenly we her a "HALT!" and instead of
a further investigation it愀 just his panties he forgot. It fits
perfectly as a dramatic device.
>Now, it appears that the blue panties are a sicko in joke drawn
>from a pornographic video tape of a real-life mass murderer.
>Terry Gilliam should be ashamed.
Well, I惴 afraid that you should be the only one to be ahsamed !
What a shit !!! Such a good movie and ONLY because of a stoopid
COINCIDENCE you blame Terry Gilliam for something that he didn愒
intend. I wouldn愒 even come to think of a possible connection between
these two aspects. A reference to a mass murder just because a BLUE
panties is depicted. What would you扉e said if it were a RED one ???
As well I never understood why people are so _damn_ interested in goof
mass murderers. Seems to be a phenomenom especially in the USA that so
many people care about that, read books, shoot films and all that.
Portrait of a serial killer. Moan, I couldn愒 think of anything less
interesting.
If people only would care for those poor people because they悲 like to
know how to prevent them to become what they are; or to help them. But
NO, they just want to know all the bloody details and just want to get
ENTERTAINED. Entertained by blood and gore.
And fucking kids walk around with T-Shirts depicting Charles Manson. t
makes me sick.
Sorry for the insults but if someone blames a director of such a great
movie for such a shit I can愒 calm down.
Feel free to flame.
-< Moon >-
Pcr...@sedona.net
Xiuhte...@worldnet.att.net (Kolaga) wrote:
>I just recently came across an old news item. Mass murderer Richard
>Speck was videotaped in prison parading around in blue women's
>panties. I suppose that this scene from 12 Monkeys is supposed to
>be a reference linking Richard Speck to Dr. Peters.
I don't know where you are or if you ahcve some kind of inside info,
but I never even heard of the Richard Speck video until a few months
ago. Even if Terry Gilliam wanted to make such a connection I don't
think the time frame works.
By the way, didn't you spend quite a bit of time on the
alt.cult-movies newsgroup trying to convince everyone to hate this
movie???
Mischa Damon Krilov
Moon (Mo...@Uni-Duisburg.de) wrote:
: Xiuhte...@worldnet.att.net (Kolaga) wrote:
: >There are several (dozens!) of scenes in Twelve Monkeys that puzzled
: >me. One scene. after Dr. Peters leaves the airport security check,
: >has a possible explanation. The inspector waves some blue underwear
: >at Dr. Peters who returns and takes the panties and stuffs them in
: >his newspaper. The underwear appears to be women's.
Not really- to my untrained eye, they merely look like blue briefs, or
blue bikini-style underwear, just the thing in fashion for today's up and
rising hip-and-trendy. In all honesty, I assumed that Gilliam just wanted
to play off of the standard gag of underwear in luggage at customs.
: Well, I just checked the video and it definitely is NO women´s
: underwear. O.k., though it´s not the kinda grandpa thing and I
: wouldn´t wear it but it´s also no women slip.
Just assume the guy doesn't wear boxers.
: >I just recently came across an old news item. Mass murderer Richard
: >Speck was videotaped in prison parading around in blue women's
: >panties. I suppose that this scene from 12 Monkeys is supposed to
: >be a reference linking Richard Speck to Dr. Peters.
Kind of a strech, don't you think? For all we know, Gilliam may just like
blue Underoos. Of course, I don't know Mr. Gilliam or the set dresser;
they may just have heard about Speck and his videotape. When it came time
for an underwear gag, perhaps they subconsciously chose a pair of blue
underwear. More importantly, Peters displays none of the other behavior
demostrated by Speck, so I don't think this connection withstands the
careful scrutiny of a viewing fan.
: (a former member of Monty Phyton, remember ?). The villian almost
: passed the security check but suddenly we her a "HALT!" and instead of
: a further investigation it´s just his panties he forgot. It fits
: perfectly as a dramatic device.
Or a semi-cheap gag. I agree. Classic demonstarion of a false build-up for
tension, suspense, we all know it. Remember Alien, when the cat jumps out
and scares the crew member? We jump, laugh to ourselves for falling for
it, and subsequently jump higher when the alien gets him. The blue
undergarment does the same.
: these two aspects. A reference to a mass murder just because a BLUE
: panties is depicted. What would you´ve said if it were a RED one ???
For all we know, they could've picked blue for the color. The now-red hair
of Peters, the yellow jacket, and blue underwear. It looks pretty, what
with all the pretty colors, no?
I don't really think we need to address this issue.
Me.
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Andrew
Ben. <olso...@gbvaxa.uwgb.edu> wrote in article
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Dear Ben,
Shut the fuck up.
Andrew
Marc Fleury
Pcr...@sedona.net wrote:
>I don't know where you are or if you ahcve some kind of inside info,
>but I never even heard of the Richard Speck video until a few months
>ago. Even if Terry Gilliam wanted to make such a connection I don't
>think the time frame works.
The time-frame *doesn't* work. The Speck tape surfaced in May of 96,
while 12 Monkeys was in theaters before the end of 1995.
-- Fleury.
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Duggy
On Fri, 14 Feb 1997, Kolaga wrote:
>Uh oh, a VAX account. Opinions are easy things to have when
>they don't cost anything. My opinions cost me $19.95 a month.
So you opinions mean so much more.
Gee. I'm sorry. I guess we should head each post with our exact income, so
we know how much to value each persons opinion at.
Personally, I'd always placed the same value ($0.02) on all opinions. But
obviously I was wrong. You've got to be old and rich before you're
allowed to say anything.
Andrew
Ben...no you silly person.
Jay E. Morris
So the opinion of someone who pays for an account is better than that of
someone who has the same for free? Course, I may be prejudice since my
account is also the same free type. Guess I'm just not smart enough to
pay for one.
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Simon H. Garlick
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>> On Fri, 14 Feb 1997, Kolaga wrote:
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>> >Uh oh, a VAX account. Opinions are easy things to have when
>> >they don't cost anything. My opinions cost me $19.95 a month.
Tell someone who cares, you insignificant little insect.
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Charley Hale
Why has everyone blown up over this? I thought it was funny.
Donna Wright
Who cares about "those blue panties & Richard Speck"??????????
I thought this was a Brad Pitt fan newsgroup. In my opinion (for whatever
price value any of you want to put on it), if you want to talk about the
sickoes in the world (or the USA) go and find a sicko newsgroup. That
shouldn't be hard as there are alot of sickoes out there.
Loki007
Gee...If you wouldn't cross-post like a lamer, you would realize that
you are also posting to alt.cult-movies instead of just your precious
Brad-Pit NG. Get it together.
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Loki007
The Norse God of Mischief-
turned British Super spy!
**I have a map of the United States, life sized.
One mile equals One mile...It's a real bitch to fold...**
J and C Wilson
Actually this is rec.arts.sf.movies.
Seems everyone makes mistakes.