SPECIES: Help !!!
e_a...@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu
I have just seen the movie SPECIES. Although the movie was pretty
intense and full of suspense, it left me with an impression of a bad
copy of the Alien series which took place on earth.
I have an unanswered question though:
When the woman/predator got the other woman as hostage, I remember a
scene where she cut of first her own thumb which grew back
immeaditely. Then she started cutting an organ of the hostage and
later than put it in the trash outside her house. I first thought it
was her heart. However, I noticed that the hostage was still alive during
the chase scene. So it could not have been her heart. And there
was no explanation later in the movie why she cut some part of her
hostage.
Could anybody help me out?
Thanks in advance.
Emre Alper
Economics Department
Georgetown University
Tim Laplaca
>When the woman/predator got the other woman as hostage, I remember a
>scene where she cut of first her own thumb which grew back
>immeaditely. Then she started cutting an organ of the hostage and
>later than put it in the trash outside her house. I first thought it
>was her heart. However, I noticed that the hostage was still alive during
>the chase scene. So it could not have been her heart. And there
>was no explanation later in the movie why she cut some part of her
>hostage.
>Could anybody help me out?
What I think happened was that Sil (the alien) cut off the hostages
thumb so that when they found the charred corpse in the car, it would
be missing the thumb. This is so when they found Sil's thumb in the
door (which came off the car before the impact) they would assume it's
from the body.
My biggest complaint about this movie was that apparently the people
searching for Sil had the technology to detect if that one guy
ejaculated in the hot tub, but they couldn't detect the huge amount of
gasoline in the car fire, or know how to compare dental records with
the burned corpse. That fake car crash shouldn't have come close to
fooling anyone.
-- Tim
Gary Riley
What about the rate of growth of the fertilized egg that didn't have
any human DNA in it that they started growing in the laboratory after
Sil got away? At least in Alien/Aliens the tremendous growth rate
could be attributed to the creatures eating large quantities of food
off-camera. Is it even biologically/chemically/thermodynamically
possible for an organism to gain mass by "eating" air? From what
they showed, that seemed to be the only thing that the fertilized
egg could have consumed.
Gary Riley
Kelly Kincy
picking through the wreckage later. They found the thumb (Sil's thumb) in
the car door, saw that the body in the car was missing a thumb, and
assumed that the body was Sil. I guess this logic is fine, except for the
fact that it does not explain how Sil could have driven herself over that
hill with her hands tied behind her back. I don't care how hot that fire
got, there would have been some evidence of this little detail.
Rich Travsky
> [...]
>I have an unanswered question though:
>
>scene where she cut of first her own thumb which grew back
>immeaditely. Then she started cutting an organ of the hostage and
>later than put it in the trash outside her house. I first thought it
>was her heart. However, I noticed that the hostage was still alive during
>the chase scene. So it could not have been her heart. And there
>was no explanation later in the movie why she cut some part of her
>hostage.
>
cut off the other lady was one of the lady's fingers (a thumb
presumably).
Initially I thought she did this to see if a real human's body would
react the same way as her's, i.e., grow back the thumb. Later,
at the car wreck, they found the lady's finger. This finger was supposed
to be sent back for testing, but the movie never mentions the results.
This would have settled the question as to whether or not she survived,
but events moved too quickly for results to be known. Thus it appears
it was a red herring, meant solely to buy time.
rich
steve supreme
>intense and full of suspense, it left me with an impression of a bad
>copy of the Alien series which took place on earth.
>
>
>When the woman/predator got the other woman as hostage, I remember a
>scene where she cut of first her own thumb which grew back
>immeaditely. Then she started cutting an organ of the hostage and
>later than put it in the trash outside her house. I first thought it
>was her heart. However, I noticed that the hostage was still alive
during
>the chase scene. So it could not have been her heart. And there
>was no explanation later in the movie why she cut some part of her
>hostage.
>
>
My impression was that she cut off the hostage's thumb to see if it
would grow back.
Steve
Trey Stokes
>I have an unanswered question though:
>
>When the woman/predator got the other woman as hostage, I remember a
>scene where she cut of first her own thumb which grew back
>immeaditely. Then she started cutting an organ of the hostage and
>later than put it in the trash outside her house.
The idea was that she cut off her own thumb to leave in the detached door
of the wrecked car. Since the door was the only part not burned, the thumb
would be identified as definitely hers. She cut off the hostage's thumb so
the burned body would be missing the appropriate digit.
Sure, there's holes in this plotting (such as how a creature who just
learned about human customs like "money" knows enough about police
procedures to figure out this plan) but that was the idea.
Trey Stokes
http://www.cinenet.net/tstokes/
ho...@gary.com
Species SPOILERS????
>>immeaditely. Then she started cutting an organ of the hostage and
>>later than put it in the trash outside her house. I first thought it
>>was her heart. However, I noticed that the hostage was still alive
>>during
>>the chase scene. So it could not have been her heart. And there
>>was no explanation later in the movie why she cut some part of her
>>hostage.
>>
>>Could anybody help me out?
I thought it was a heart too, but I think it was supposed to
be her thumb. The alien chick wanted to fake her death and since the
hostage was to be the unidentifiable corpse, she needed to be missing
a thumb to match the alien thumb that was planted to make them think
it was her who was killed.
Could have been the whole hand for that matter, since it seemed
large, but the thumb was the link.
Rich
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Norman Hechavarria
: e_a...@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu wrote:
: >When the woman/predator got the other woman as hostage, I remember a
: >scene where she cut of first her own thumb which grew back
: >immeaditely. Then she started cutting an organ of the hostage and
: >later than put it in the trash outside her house. I first thought it
: >was her heart. However, I noticed that the hostage was still alive during
: >the chase scene. So it could not have been her heart. And there
: >was no explanation later in the movie why she cut some part of her
: >hostage.
: >Could anybody help me out?
: What I think happened was that Sil (the alien) cut off the hostages
: thumb so that when they found the charred corpse in the car, it would
: be missing the thumb. This is so when they found Sil's thumb in the
: door (which came off the car before the impact) they would assume it's
: from the body.
Since she wanted to know more about herself I assumed it was a test to
see if she and the hostage were the same species.
Norman Hechavarria
that busted out of the incubater look familiar? It looked exactly like
the parasite from BAOH. Check it out. Funny huh?
Jeremy Vieira Alves
>e_a...@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu wrote:
<spoilers>
>
>My biggest complaint about this movie was that apparently the people
>searching for Sil had the technology to detect if that one guy
>ejaculated in the hot tub, but they couldn't detect the huge amount of
>gasoline in the car fire, or know how to compare dental records with
>the burned corpse. That fake car crash shouldn't have come close to
>fooling anyone.
>
Well, the gasoline, they probably noticed, but didn't think very much
of... Maybe they thought she was planning a long road trip or
something. Plus, the helicopters launched missles at the car too...
For the dental records - I can't prove this at the moment, but it seems
unlikely to me that everyones dental records are on government file, I
think that they are released only when somebody is missing, and that
one woman was not missing for all that long. Also, the people searching
for Sil did not have her dental records - remember that they didn't even
have a clear picture of her at that point, and any dental records they
had were of her has a child, which I would guess could vary a lot from
the adult form. So basically they had nothing from the dental records
to go on...
>-- Tim
>
_Jeremy
Johnny Ringo
thing beyond a finger-print (like DNA testing, dental records, and discovering
that the driver of a blown up car was tied up) would take a while.
Also, most of the main characters were near the point of paranoia during
the night. Nobody blankly assumed she was dead.
Rich Travsky
>Trey Stokes <tst...@cinenet.net> writes:
>>e_a...@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu wrote:
>>>I have an unanswered question though:
>>>
>>>scene where she cut of first her own thumb which grew back
>>>immeaditely. Then she started cutting an organ of the hostage and
>>>later than put it in the trash outside her house.
>
>>of the wrecked car. Since the door was the only part not burned, the thumb
>>would be identified as definitely hers. She cut off the hostage's thumb so
>>the burned body would be missing the appropriate digit.
>have identified things with DNA testing. Looks like the writers forgot
>something - since our heroes simply assumed Sil was dead.
Ah, but testing takes time. And the digit was sent back to the lab. Results
were never mentioned as there wasn't time given that the rest of the action
took place that same evening following the car crash. Thus I figure
the finger/thumb was a red herring on Sil's part meant to gain time.
Rich
DW
movie was good. Oh sure, there were some dumb stuff. Some cheesy
dialog, a couple unrealistic scenes and a psychic character that was
obviously just put in the film to tie some scenes together. I sure the
writers were sitting there going, "well, how do have them know about
this thing...hey, let's make one of the have ESP!..." But otherwise, I
enjoyed this film very much.
Dan W
PS, also was impressed by the new Bond preview, as much as I am not a
Brosnon fan
Trey Stokes
>Trey Stokes <tst...@cinenet.net> writes:
>>The idea was that she cut off her own thumb to leave in the detached door
>>of the wrecked car. Since the door was the only part not burned, the thumb
>>would be identified as definitely hers.
>have identified things with DNA testing. Looks like the writers forgot
>something - since our heroes simply assumed Sil was dead.
That's the idea - they ASSUMED SIL was dead. One character does express
doubt about that being a certainty until the test results came back -
unfortunately for them SIL comes back first.
Again, I'm not saying this is the best possible plotting - only that
is IS the plot - which the original poster was asking for clarification
about. <g>
Trey Stokes
http://www.cinenet.net/tstokes/
Don Papp
: Did any Anime fans check this movie out yet? If so, did the worm thing
: the parasite from BAOH. Check it out. Funny huh?
Reminded me more of a Shoggoth, to be honest.
Don
Darryll Hobson
>Apparently she cut the woman's thumb off in order to fool the people
>picking through the wreckage later. They found the thumb (Sil's thumb) in
>the car door, saw that the body in the car was missing a thumb, and
>assumed that the body was Sil. I guess this logic is fine, except for the
>fact that it does not explain how Sil could have driven herself over that
>hill with her hands tied behind her back. I don't care how hot that fire
>got, there would have been some evidence of this little detail.
even better... why DNA test the thumb, you've got a WHOLE BODY lying in the
passenger seat of a car (I might add), why go looking for a thumb when you've
got the body?
Or, for that matter, why not notice that the thumb was cleanly cut..
coroners can tell what kind of knife made a stab wound, surely they
can distinguish (at eye sight) that the thumb was cut with scissors,
instead of "torn off" !?