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T987654321

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Feb 7, 2022, 1:30:48 PMFeb 7
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Wow did it crater at the box office.

Paul S Person

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Feb 8, 2022, 12:05:53 PMFeb 8
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On Mon, 7 Feb 2022 10:30:47 -0800 (PST), T987654321
<qwrt...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Wow did it crater at the box office.

IIRC, it's by Emmerich, so I am /still/ going to rent it.

I survived /10,000 BC/ (the story of how a White Guy led a bunch of
Black Guys to rebel against a bunch of Yellow Guys, with a superfluous
sabretooth [as Ebert pointed out] added in for no particular reason)
and /Anonymous/ (the Shakespeare thing that turned out to be the third
installment of the /Elizabeth/ series, just with a completely new cast
and crew), after all.

OTOH, I /did/ skip /Stonewall/, but, IIRC, the reviews suggested it
was more about an individual than a movement.

And, anyway, /Moonfall/ is at least an SF film. I might find it ...
acceptable ... as an Emmerich film.
--
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"I have envied him long since."

Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha

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Feb 8, 2022, 12:35:02 PMFeb 8
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T987654321 <qwrt...@gmail.com> wrote in news:bc5c7b26-992a-4119-
91e0-bfa8...@googlegroups.com:

> Wow did it crater at the box office.
>
I just read the plot summary on Wikipedia.

It's stupider than "Capricon One". In fact, it's "The Core" stupid,
and maybe then some.

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Terry Austin

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Lynn:
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Dimensional Traveler

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Feb 8, 2022, 8:35:07 PMFeb 8
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On 2/8/2022 8:34 AM, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
> T987654321 <qwrt...@gmail.com> wrote in news:bc5c7b26-992a-4119-
> 91e0-bfa8...@googlegroups.com:
>
>> Wow did it crater at the box office.
>>
> I just read the plot summary on Wikipedia.
>
> It's stupider than "Capricon One". In fact, it's "The Core" stupid,
> and maybe then some.
>
Well, all the "End Of The World Apocalypse" big budget films are pretty
dumb if you think about them. I saw 'Moonfall' over the weekend and it
seemed pretty typical of the Emmerich brand, just missing something. I
suspect its abysmal box office performance is mostly a matter of bad
timing. Coming up on three years into a pandemic its just not the kind
of movie people want to see.

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dirty old man.

Jerry Brown

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Feb 9, 2022, 2:46:59 PMFeb 9
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I think of him as this generation's Irwin Allen: a purveyor of utter
tosh, where the relevant question is whether the film is entertaining
as opposed to whether it's good.


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Jerry Brown

A cat may look at a king
(but probably won't bother)

Paul S Person

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Feb 10, 2022, 11:33:21 AMFeb 10
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Without commenting on Irwin Allen, I would agree with your
characterization of Emmerich. Well, except that "being entertaining"
is a major component of "being good", IMHO. YMMV.

Or, as I would put it, an excellent provider of Brain-Dead Summer
Action Flicks -- that is, films which entertain without requiring any
mental effort.

Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha

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Feb 10, 2022, 5:42:42 PMFeb 10
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Dimensional Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote in
news:stv5oa$gig$1...@dont-email.me:

> On 2/8/2022 8:34 AM, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
>> T987654321 <qwrt...@gmail.com> wrote in
>> news:bc5c7b26-992a-4119- 91e0-bfa8...@googlegroups.com:
>>
>>> Wow did it crater at the box office.
>>>
>> I just read the plot summary on Wikipedia.
>>
>> It's stupider than "Capricon One". In fact, it's "The Core"
>> stupid, and maybe then some.
>>
> Well, all the "End Of The World Apocalypse" big budget films are
> pretty dumb if you think about them.

They are, but some are far dumber than most.

Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha

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Feb 10, 2022, 5:43:40 PMFeb 10
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Paul S Person <pspe...@ix.netcom.invalid> wrote in
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Or films that entertain only if you actively *avoid* any mental
effort.

Paul S Person

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Feb 11, 2022, 11:47:37 AMFeb 11
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Fair enough, at least for those so obnoxious you cannot help thinking
about them.

For myself, I generally don't bother. Who cares if the North Atlantic
Current is shown moving in reverse in /The Day After Tomorrow/?

Or whether a car can /really/ take down a helicopter as in /Live Free
or Die Hard/?

Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha

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Feb 11, 2022, 12:29:08 PMFeb 11
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Paul S Person <pspe...@ix.netcom.invalid> wrote in
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Everybody's threshold for suspension of disbelief is different (and
variable, based on expectation - I loved Velocipastor because it
was *exactly* what I expected). But once a movie crosses it, that's
that.

Jerry Brown

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Feb 12, 2022, 5:12:09 AMFeb 12
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On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 09:29:05 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
I recall one of the primary reasons for your dismissal of "Avatar" was
the "flying fucking mountains", but within the invented physics of the
film these were a logical result of the anti-gravity mineral that the
Evil Company was exploiting the planet in the first place.

In fact, a sample of this rock had already been shown hovering in a
desk display an hour earlier, setting up the later reveal of the
floating (not flying) mountain (leaving aside the internal logic of
the film, I recall reading somewhere that the mountain was a shout-out
to a 70s prog rock album cover, maybe by Roger Dean?).

My own suspension of disbelief is clearly much laxer, so for example I
have no problem with spacecraft flybys being accompanied by a "whoosh"
sound, as I consider this to come from the same place as the musical
score.

An example that DID bother me was "Gravity" which was supposedly a
non-SF technological action film with 100% accurate physics. This
physics somehow allowed the various space craft and the recurrent
menacing debris cloud to be able to travel at different angular
velocities in the same orbit.

Wolffan

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Feb 12, 2022, 9:14:31 AMFeb 12
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On 2022 Feb 07, T987654321 wrote
(in article<bc5c7b26-992a-4119...@googlegroups.com>):

> Wow did it crater at the box office.

deservedly so. if its basic premise is the stupidest plot idea in a movie of
the last 20 years, and i include porn movies in that, it’s in the top
three.

J. Clarke

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Feb 12, 2022, 10:03:21 AMFeb 12
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On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 10:12:01 +0000, Jerry Brown
The "floating in space" physics of pop culture. From the ISS one can
according to this model send oneself to the Andromeda Galaxy with a
gentle push of the hand. This is why people think Blue Origin and
Virgin Galactic are doing something useful.

Wolffan

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Feb 12, 2022, 3:48:36 PMFeb 12
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On 2022 Feb 12, J. Clarke wrote
(in article<7tif0hd95ebhpmmq8...@4ax.com>):
if you can push an extra 3 km/s or so, you can start yourself off to M31. You
may need some extra oomph to get solar escape velocity, and a bit more to
escape the Milky Way, and a bit of time, but it’s doable.

I can think of a few in-duh-viduals who should be given every chance to try.
I’d even help pay their way up so that the can try.

Ninapenda Jibini

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Feb 12, 2022, 11:13:48 PMFeb 12
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Jerry Brown <je...@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> wrote in
news:670f0hdeovrplu8l5...@jwbrown.co.uk:
You recall incorrectly.

> but within the
> invented physics of the film these were a logical result of the
> anti-gravity mineral that the Evil Company was exploiting the
> planet in the first place.

The entire premise was fairly stupid, and the "message" was, as is
so often the case with Hollywood, that modern, technological,
western society is evil and you should be ashamed to be part of it
(and give poor people all your money). The producers of such drivel
are, of course, exceptions.
>
> In fact, a sample of this rock had already been shown hovering
> in a desk display an hour earlier, setting up the later reveal
> of the floating (not flying) mountain (leaving aside the
> internal logic of the film, I recall reading somewhere that the
> mountain was a shout-out to a 70s prog rock album cover, maybe
> by Roger Dean?).
>
> My own suspension of disbelief is clearly much laxer, so for
> example I have no problem with spacecraft flybys being
> accompanied by a "whoosh" sound, as I consider this to come from
> the same place as the musical score.
>
> An example that DID bother me was "Gravity" which was supposedly
> a non-SF technological action film with 100% accurate physics.

Supposedly, perhaps, but nobody believed it at the time, including
the people in it.

> This physics somehow allowed the various space craft and the
> recurrent menacing debris cloud to be able to travel at
> different angular velocities in the same orbit.
>
One of the bigger errors in the science.

One thing it got right, that Avatar didn't, however, was that it
was entertaining.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration


"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

Ninapenda Jibini

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Feb 12, 2022, 11:16:09 PMFeb 12
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J. Clarke <jclarke...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:7tif0hd95ebhpmmq8...@4ax.com:

> The "floating in space" physics of pop culture. From the ISS
> one can according to this model send oneself to the Andromeda
> Galaxy with a gentle push of the hand. This is why people think
> Blue Origin and Virgin Galactic are doing something useful.

Depends on useful to *whom*, and what their goals are. Those are both
diong something useful for the egos of their respective owners, and
have some potential to be useful for their bank accounts, if only in
a minor way.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration


Bice

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Feb 14, 2022, 7:30:50 AMFeb 14
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On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 10:12:01 +0000, Jerry Brown
<je...@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> wrote:

>In fact, a sample of this rock had already been shown hovering in a
>desk display an hour earlier, setting up the later reveal of the
>floating (not flying) mountain (leaving aside the internal logic of
>the film, I recall reading somewhere that the mountain was a shout-out
>to a 70s prog rock album cover, maybe by Roger Dean?).

Not so much "shout-out" as "rip-off". Dean sued. Unfortunately, he
lost:

http://copyright.nova.edu/avatar-lawsuit/


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