BLADERUNNER-the 6 REPLICANTS!!
IMRAN BIN MOHAMED NOOR
A few of us here have been discussing this for sometime and have solved
the case of the 6 replicants in BLADERUNNER. It was mentionedthat there
were 6 escapees but only 4 were made obvious and Rachel was made not to
look like one.
Here is the complete list of escapees:-
1. Roy
2. Leon
3. Zhora
4. whatever her name was( the one played by Daryll Hannah)
and believe or not..........
5. Rachel
6. Deckard
You may find it hard to believe but it's definitely true!!
Rachel, if you recall, seems to have a problem.......memory! She
could not tell if she was a replicant or human!
Deckard has to be one that was fried! Remember Brian saying that one
was fried trying to break in........he stopped short after saying it.
Let's put it this way,Deckard was fried and reprogrammed to kill the rest!
His eyes had the characteristics of a replicant( shiny and glossy).And
his dream of the Unicorn.......well that was the replicant's dream( what
a friend who had read the book told me!)
CHOO ENG AUN
: A few of us here have been discussing this for sometime and have solved
: the case of the 6 replicants in BLADERUNNER. It was mentionedthat there
: were 6 escapees but only 4 were made obvious and Rachel was made not to
: look like one.
: Here is the complete list of escapees:-
: 1. Roy
: 2. Leon
: 3. Zhora
: 4. whatever her name was( the one played by Daryll Hannah)
Her Character's name was Pris
: and believe or not..........
: 5. Rachel
: 6. Deckard
: You may find it hard to believe but it's definitely true!!
: Rachel, if you recall, seems to have a problem.......memory! She
: could not tell if she was a replicant or human!
: Deckard has to be one that was fried! Remember Brian saying that one
: was fried trying to break in........he stopped short after saying it.
: Let's put it this way,Deckard was fried and reprogrammed to kill the rest!
: His eyes had the characteristics of a replicant( shiny and glossy).And
: his dream of the Unicorn.......well that was the replicant's dream( what
: a friend who had read the book told me!)
This is a strong theory to explain the phenomena but if Deckard WAS one
of them, I'm sure Roy would've identified him immediately instead of
treating him like one of the humans. After all, they escaped together,
according to this theory. Another thing, if Deckard was a replicant, how
come he's so damn weak compared to NEXUS 6 Roy ?
Blade Runner units could've been genetically engineered as well, to take
out their own kind without even realising it. Deckard could be one of
those who's from Rachel's generation, more human, physically and emotionally.
Anyway, I can't seem to put my finger on the 6 replicants who escaped,
was there really a goof in the movie ?
EngAun
J.L. Dawn
: : and believe or not..........
: : 5. Rachel
: : 6. Deckard
I remember in the movie it was said that there were 5 escapees. Not 6.
One was fried, dead, kaput, terminated. The other 3 were killed by
Deckard, and Roy died.
Rachel is a replicant, yes, but she has nothing to do with the escaped
ones. Deckard is ordered to kill her only after she realizes she is a
replicant and trys to run away from the boss-man.
As for Deckard, [chuckle] there is not any characteristic glossy
eye or anything to identify replicants. That's why they have the test.
Of course, it's been pointed out that he was much weaker than the Nexus 6
replicants, so it doesn't make sense. If he were designed to kill them
he would be stronger. Just because he has a dream doesn't mean he's a
replicant (I have them all the time). Come on! An alchoholic, depressed
burned-out replicant? Sure...
And all this about there being 6 replicants, not in the movie. If you
want to combine the movie with the book it was BASED on fine, just dont'
talk about it as if it affects the plot of the movie.
J.L. Dawn
Lars Jorgen Aas
> the case of the 6 replicants in BLADERUNNER. It was mentionedthat there
> were 6 escapees but only 4 were made obvious and Rachel was made not to
> look like one.
> Here is the complete list of escapees:-
> 1. Roy
> 2. Leon
> 3. Zhora
> 4. whatever her name was( the one played by Daryll Hannah)
* Pris
> 5. Rachel
> 6. Deckard
> You may find it hard to believe but it's definitely true!!
> Rachel, if you recall, seems to have a problem.......memory! She
> could not tell if she was a replicant or human!
> Deckard has to be one that was fried! Remember Brian saying that one
> was fried trying to break in........he stopped short after saying it.
> Let's put it this way,Deckard was fried and reprogrammed to kill the rest!
> His eyes had the characteristics of a replicant( shiny and glossy).And
> his dream of the Unicorn.......well that was the replicant's dream( what
> a friend who had read the book told me!)
First of all, the escapees knew each other and stayed together (when they
weren't working on infiltrating the Tyrell Coorporation). The 4 replicants -
Roy, Leon, Pris and Zhora - didn't recognize Deckard in any way, and they
would certainly do that it if he had escaped together with them. In other
words, the replicant fried when trying to break into the Tyrell Coorporation's
building wasn't Deckard.
And why do you think Rachael was an escapee? She was a new experiment,
designed to think she was human. The escapees knew very well they were
replicants.
...and you better read the book yourself, instead of throwing out something
you heard from an uncle's friend that once read in a paper that Princess Di
had read in the book that the replicants dreamt of unicorns...
Lars J
Z-Code
>IMRAN BIN MOHAMED NOOR (med3...@leonis.nus.sg) wrote:
>
>: A few of us here have been discussing this for sometime and have solved
>: the case of the 6 replicants in BLADERUNNER. It was mentionedthat there
>: were 6 escapees but only 4 were made obvious and Rachel was made not to
>: look like one.
>
>: Here is the complete list of escapees:-
>
>: 1. Roy
>: 2. Leon
>: 3. Zhora
>: 5. Rachel
>: 6. Deckard
>
>: Deckard has to be one that was fried!
No he doesn't. If deckert had been fried and reprogrammed, why doesnt
Zhora instantly recognize him? Evidence looks pretty weak. There's
better evidence that Rachel is an escapee in that
1) Capt. Bryan says "6 escapees, 3 male, 3 female, and one (unspecified
sex) of them was fried at Tyrell HQ." He then says "4 skinjobs are
walking the streets." This implies the location of one of the
replicants is known; ie not walking the street - Only Rachel fits
this description.
2) While Leon beats the crap out of Deckert, Rachel shoots Leon in the
head from some distance away with Deckert's gun. If you have ever tried to
shoot someone in the head with an unfamiliar gun while a person is
in hand-to-hand combat with another, you would know how hard this is.
(OK I'm just guessing that its hard) This is evidence that Rachel is
a combat replicant like Roy and Leon.
So anyway, if Deckert is a replicant, he is unlikely to be one of the
escapees or the one (the 3rd male) who was fried. So the 6 replicant
count checks out if my Rachel theory is correct.
Someone pointed out that Deckert is unlikely to be a replicant because
he is a burned out alcoholic. Irrelevant. Rachel is chain smoker.
And Capt Bryant said that replicants given time would develop their
own emotional responses.
A review of the Deckert as replicant circumstantial evidence:
- Gaff apparantly knows what Deckert dreams about (the unicorn) implies
that Deckert's memories are planted.
- Deckert is the best of the Bladerunners (takes one to catch one)
- Never took a vo-comp test.
Was there anything else? This looks pretty weak. Imagine what Robert
shapiro would do with this.
-eric pivnik
Jennifer Suzanne Guberman
> : Anyway, I can't seem to put my finger on the 6 replicants who escaped,
> : was there really a goof in the movie ?
>
> I remember in the movie it was said that there were 5 escapees. Not 6.
> One was fried, dead, kaput, terminated. The other 3 were killed by
> Deckard, and Roy died.
> Rachel is a replicant, yes, but she has nothing to do with the escaped
> ones. Deckard is ordered to kill her only after she realizes she is a
> replicant and trys to run away from the boss-man.
> As for Deckard, [chuckle] there is not any characteristic glossy
> eye or anything to identify replicants. That's why they have the test.
> Of course, it's been pointed out that he was much weaker than the Nexus 6
> replicants, so it doesn't make sense. If he were designed to kill them
> he would be stronger. Just because he has a dream doesn't mean he's a
> replicant (I have them all the time). Come on! An alchoholic, depressed
> burned-out replicant? Sure...
>
> And all this about there being 6 replicants, not in the movie. If you
> want to combine the movie with the book it was BASED on fine, just dont'
> talk about it as if it affects the plot of the movie.
>
> J.L. Dawn
Not true, actually. I've been working on _Blade Runner_ all semester,
and Bryant does in fact say that there were 6 escaped replicants and one
was fried. He goes on to say there are four left. It seems to me this a
goof in the movie, though in the original drafts of _Blade Runner_, there
were five left (another replicant named Mary). Rachel, however, is not
being counted by Bryant. If you recall, after Deckard kills Zhora, Bryant
says there are four left. Deckard says three, and Bryant then counts
Rachel among the group.
--
Jennifer S. Guberman
Brown University
Jennifer...@Brown.EDU
J.L. Dawn
[stuff deleted]
: 2) While Leon beats the crap out of Deckert, Rachel shoots Leon in the
: head from some distance away with Deckert's gun. If you have ever tried to
: shoot someone in the head with an unfamiliar gun while a person is
: in hand-to-hand combat with another, you would know how hard this is.
: (OK I'm just guessing that its hard) This is evidence that Rachel is
: a combat replicant like Roy and Leon.
2. She wasn't that far away, and it's not that hard to shoot someone
trust me...
: So anyway, if Deckert is a replicant, he is unlikely to be one of the
: escapees or the one (the 3rd male) who was fried. So the 6 replicant
: count checks out if my Rachel theory is correct.
: Someone pointed out that Deckert is unlikely to be a replicant because
: he is a burned out alcoholic. Irrelevant. Rachel is chain smoker.
: And Capt Bryant said that replicants given time would develop their
: own emotional responses.
: A review of the Deckert as replicant circumstantial evidence:
: - Gaff apparantly knows what Deckert dreams about (the unicorn) implies
: that Deckert's memories are planted.
: - Deckert is the best of the Bladerunners (takes one to catch one)
: - Never took a vo-comp test.
* that was never stated clearly he simply didn't answer when
Rachel asked him
Reasons to think the idea of Deckard being a replicant is hogwash:
If he had been designed to kill replicants he would have been
a Nexus 6, combat model. We know he wasn't because he got his ass
kicked. By all of the models in the movie.
It's obvious that the replicants were unreliable. They revolted.
The cops wouldn't trust a replicant with the freedom and power
that Deckard had.
J.L.Dawn
Z-Code
>Z-Code (sc...@ncd.com) wrote:
>: [...] his is evidence that Rachel is
> 1. Leon was not a combat model like Roy, he was a miner or something
Are you sure about this?? I was pretty sure Leon's screen readout showed
combat/soldier intelligence level C, making him the dumbest of the bunch.
Zhora was a hit team member - level B, Pris a pleasure unit - level B
and Roy a cobat/soldier level intelligense level A.
> 2. She wasn't that far away, and it's not that hard to shoot someone
> trust me...
>
>: A review of the Deckert as replicant circumstantial evidence:
>
>: - Gaff apparantly knows what Deckert dreams about (the unicorn) implies
>: that Deckert's memories are planted.
>
>: - Deckert is the best of the Bladerunners (takes one to catch one)
>
>: - Never took a vo-comp test.
> * that was never stated clearly he simply didn't answer when
> Rachel asked him
>
>Reasons to think the idea of Deckard being a replicant is hogwash:
>
> If he had been designed to kill replicants he would have been
> a Nexus 6, combat model. We know he wasn't because he got his ass
> kicked. By all of the models in the movie.
>
> It's obvious that the replicants were unreliable. They revolted.
> The cops wouldn't trust a replicant with the freedom and power
> that Deckard had.
Are all replicants unreliable? Or only the ones treated as slaves?
What about a replicant that thinks it is human and is not mistreated?
As I said Deckert cant be one of the escapees because Zhora doesnt
recognize him. Its still vague if Rachel was an escapee. If not then
there still one unnacounted for. Nonetheless the deckert as replicant angle
is pretty far-fetched. Change the unicorn origami to anything else
and there'd be nothing to discuss.
-eric
elc...@acfcluster.nyu.edu
ummm try watching the scene the the theater when Deckard and Bryant watch the
interview of Leon by Holden.
Quoting the dialog by Bryant:"There was an escape in the off world colonies two
weeks ago, SIX replicants three male three female they slautered 23 people and
jumped a shuttle. an arial patrole spotted the ship off the coast no crew, no
sight of them, three nights ago they tried to break in to Tyrell corperation,
one of them got fired running through an electrical field, we lost the others"
so you see he does say SIX replicants. One is dead as he said, so that leaves
five. Rachel is not one of the five because Bryant has to correct Deckard
latter when Rachel is added to the list of replicants to be retired.
No way Deckard is the fired replicant.
In the scene before this one in Bryants office Bryant says:"i've got four skin
jobs walking the street."
Now i know these two scene don't agree with each other, but this is what is
said on my version of the movie, (the Director's Cut laser disc)
As for Deckard:
there is a charactoristic glossy eye, more commenly refered to as eye shine.
This eye shine can be seen on all the know replicants in the movie, and there
is even one shot where it looks like Deckard has eye shine.
He has a dream no thats not strange, i find it strange that Edward James Olmos
leaves a paper mache unicorn the exact thing Deckard dreamed about. And what
is a unicorn: a horse that is not a horse, as iss a replicant a man that is not
a man, as is Deckard.
ERic Ackkkkkk
GREGORY MARCUS SEID
>1) Capt. Bryan says "6 escapees, 3 male, 3 female, and one (unspecified
This comes out to *7*...unless you mean "3 male, 3 female, and one OF WHOM...
was fried". Otherwise, it's seven. :)
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The FAQ covers all this stuff, and comes to some interesting conclusion....
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: weren't working on infiltrating the Tyrell Coorporation). The 4 replicants -
: Roy, Leon, Pris and Zhora - didn't recognize Deckard in any way, and they
: would certainly do that it if he had escaped together with them. In other
: words, the replicant fried when trying to break into the Tyrell Coorporation's: building wasn't Deckard.
Maybe Deckard was fried, greatly damaged, and then they had to give him
another head, and by the way, another face, along with a brand new
personnality. So this could be the reason why the others didn't recognize
him, because he's got a new head.
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William J Weidner
<stuff deleted>
>A review of the Deckert as replicant circumstantial evidence:
>
> - Gaff apparantly knows what Deckert dreams about (the unicorn) implies
> that Deckert's memories are planted.
>
> - Deckert is the best of the Bladerunners (takes one to catch one)
>
> - Never took a vo-comp test.
>
>Was there anything else? This looks pretty weak. Imagine what Robert
>shapiro would do with this.
Other circumstantial evidence: The director said that Deckert was a
replicant. Then again he also said that he wasn't, and that it was
up the the audience. It all depends on which day he was interviewed.
Personally, I think that he is just getting a kick from all of the
debate that is going on about it. As for the glowing eyes, he said
that the people in the movie cannot see this, but it was added for
audience referece.
William J Weidner
>
>First of all, the escapees knew each other and stayed together (when they
>weren't working on infiltrating the Tyrell Coorporation). The 4 replicants -
>Roy, Leon, Pris and Zhora - didn't recognize Deckard in any way, and they
>would certainly do that it if he had escaped together with them. In other
>words, the replicant fried when trying to break into the Tyrell Coorporation's
>building wasn't Deckard.
The term "skin job" was used to describe the replicants. Could this
have been a hint that the possessed the ability to give the replicants
the appearance that they chose. In other words, they may have been
able to alter Deckard's appearance so that he would not be recognized.
BTW, this is proposed as something to think about, not an "I think
this is the gospel truth."
Laura J Valentine
that of an expired replicant...and therefore Bryant and Deckard aren't
concerned with him/her--its four years were up.
"Any society that allows people like Lou Reed and I to become rampant is
pretty well lost."
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Laura Valentine
fie...@CMU.EDU
Darryll Hobson
>Zhora instantly recognize him? Evidence looks pretty weak. There's
>better evidence that Rachel is an escapee in that
Actually, you should read the FAQ...
The original script called for a 5th replicant named "Mary"... she was
taken out before any of her scenes were shot, but AFTER several of the other
scenes were shot... that's why the count is wrong AND that's why there
are many of the horrid-sounding voice-overs throughout the movie.
So the 6 rep's were supposed to be:
3 male:
- Roy
- Leon
- "the one that got fried"
3 female:
- Pris
- Zora
- Mary
Rachael was a "new" model... the reason she was on Earth was that she was
experimental... she was not part of the "escaped rep's"...
Deckard COULD be a replicant... it's purposely ambiguous... causes the
viewer to question "what's the difference between human and replicant?"
and "what are the moral reprocussions of enslaving replicants, what makes
it any different than enslaving humans?"
But, as with Rachael, Deckard is not one of the "escaped rep's" either.
So... draw whatever interpretations you will, but this is the way it was
originally intended to be... (good enough for me)
Later...
AGENT GORDON COLE
:
:Maybe Deckard was fried, greatly damaged, and then they had to give him
:personnality. So this could be the reason why the others didn't recognize
:him, because he's got a new head.
[annoying sig deleted]
Oh and they did all this between when the replicant got fried and when
deckard is eating sushi a couple of days later???
HE IS NOT A REPLICANT
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J.L. Dawn
: The original script called for a 5th replicant named "Mary"... she was
: taken out before any of her scenes were shot, but AFTER several of the other
: scenes were shot... that's why the count is wrong AND that's why there
: are many of the horrid-sounding voice-overs throughout the movie.
: So the 6 rep's were supposed to be:
: 3 male:
: - Roy
: - Leon
: - "the one that got fried"
: 3 female:
: - Pris
: - Zora
: - Mary
: Rachael was a "new" model... the reason she was on Earth was that she was
: experimental... she was not part of the "escaped rep's"...
: Deckard COULD be a replicant... it's purposely ambiguous... causes the
: viewer to question "what's the difference between human and replicant?"
: and "what are the moral reprocussions of enslaving replicants, what makes
: it any different than enslaving humans?"
: But, as with Rachael, Deckard is not one of the "escaped rep's" either.
: So... draw whatever interpretations you will, but this is the way it was
: originally intended to be... (good enough for me)
Thank you! This is the first post I've seen that makes sense with all
the facts.
Uh...where can I find the FAQ?
Jack
Iain McKay (PhD Research)
"A review of the Deckert as replicant circumstantial evidence:
- Gaff apparantly knows what Deckert dreams about (the unicorn) implies
that Deckert's memories are planted.
- Deckert is the best of the Bladerunners (takes one to catch one)
- Never took a vo-comp test.
Was there anything else? This looks pretty weak. Imagine what Robert
shapiro would do with this."
During the fight with Roy, Roy calls Deckart *by name* (if memory serves).
How did Roy know his name? Also, Zhora may have recognised Deckert but
did not attack him until she was dressed in order to escape (ie a naked
women with a snake would be noticed).
And I do not think Rachel fits the description of the missing replicant
as she was an experiment by the Tyrrel coperation.
What do people think? I came away from the directors cut thinking that
Deckert *was* number six.
Iain
Nicholas Ragovis
>What do people think? I came away from the directors cut thinking that
>Deckert *was* number six.
Except, if Deckard was a replicant, he must have been a weak one. The
replicants he was chasing all manhandled him at one point or another, and
they all showed they were much stronger than he was. There was not one
time when Deckard showed himself to be anything near their equal in
strength, or hand to hand. in fact, Deckard really should have died many
times during the movie, dumb luck saved him a couple of times....
Jennifer Suzanne Guberman
<lv...@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:
> Although it could be that hand on Roy's neck when we first see him is
> that of an expired replicant...and therefore Bryant and Deckard aren't
> concerned with him/her--its four years were up.
>
Actually, it's Tyrell's hand on Roy. It's just the same shot as when
Tyrell meets Roy later on. It's a not a bad idea, though.
J.L. Dawn
there that:
There were ORIGINALY 6 replicants,
It was changed to 5 later in production for some reason,
this explains the discrepancy between the first scene
1. Deckard being told of the escaped replicants
---and---
2. Deckard (after killing Zhora) being told that there are 4
left including Rachel
The question of Deckard as a replicant is supposedly left open by Scott
on purpose. And, there are different suggestions in all the versions.
One point I'm unsure of is this...
In one version, I'm not sure which, I'm pretty sure Deckard is
told there are only 5 escaped "skin-jobs" in the first place. People
asure me that this never happened, but maybe there was a version where
this was DUBBED over. Anyone else notice this? I seem to remeber the
sound in many parts of the film sounding funny.
J.L.Dawn
William J Weidner
>
>>What do people think? I came away from the directors cut thinking that
>>Deckert *was* number six.
>
>Except, if Deckard was a replicant, he must have been a weak one. The
>replicants he was chasing all manhandled him at one point or another, and
>they all showed they were much stronger than he was. There was not one
>time when Deckard showed himself to be anything near their equal in
>strength, or hand to hand. in fact, Deckard really should have died many
This is the arguement that is often used to say that Deckard is a
replicant, that he took so much of a beating that no normal human
could have survived it. They think that he was intentionally made
"weak" so that he would not know that he was indeed a replicant.
All of this is covered in the FAQ which I believe is available
in rec.arts.movies or rec.arts.movies.cult or something like that.
00csmc...@bsuvc.bsu.edu
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SOMEWHERE I heard that one of them died when the ship they escaped in crashed
into the ocean, has anyone else heard this?
Chris McMullen
Lars Jorgen Aas
> : First of all, the escapees knew each other and stayed together (when they
> : weren't working on infiltrating the Tyrell Coorporation). The 4 replicants -
> : Roy, Leon, Pris and Zhora - didn't recognize Deckard in any way, and they
> : would certainly do that it if he had escaped together with them. In other
> : words, the replicant fried when trying to break into the Tyrell
> : Coorporation's building wasn't Deckard.
> Maybe Deckard was fried, greatly damaged, and then they had to give him
> another head, and by the way, another face, along with a brand new
> personnality. So this could be the reason why the others didn't recognize
> him, because he's got a new head.
Yeah, right. He was first fried and eaten by a dog, and the geneticists
used the dog-poop to generate a new replicant, so there you have it:
Deckard is the sixth replicant! Amen! Halleluja!
And what the fucking ducking hell is this?
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A 2-page sig? Read the Netiquette, man!
Lars J
Lars Jorgen Aas
You drive me crazy!
Lars J
Edward J. Christina
Dumb luck?
Perhaps he was a replicant with special tracking/strategy skills,
and he showed some superhuman aim at points.......
day...@eagle.wesleyan.edu
> In article <39s485$42...@nss1.CC.Lehigh.EDU>, gm...@nss1.CC.Lehigh.EDU (GREGORY MARCUS SEID) writes:
>> Z-Code wrote:
>>>1) Capt. Bryan says "6 escapees, 3 male, 3 female, and one (unspecified
>>
>> This comes out to *7*...unless you mean "3 male, 3 female, and one OF WHOM...
>> was fried". Otherwise, it's seven. :)
>>
>
> into the ocean, has anyone else heard this?
>
from an off-world colony. The empty shuttle was found floating off the coast.
One of unspecified gender gets fried running through an electrical field, the
others escaped (leaving 5). He then shows Deckard the data on 4 replicants.
You'll notice that some of Bryant's dialogue is looped in -- the quality of the
room tone and his voice is noticably different while the data displays are on
screen.
Bill Warren says that the 5th replicant was to be "Mary" -- a nanny sort, and
that Deckard was to kill her in a closet in Sebastian's apartment, and that she
was never filmed. The store-bought script that I have contains most of the
same numbering errors, and the scenes of Mary's death are deleted. Word is
that the script was in revision hell up to and including principal photography,
and the the numbering error kept slipping by the writer
Whether you subscribe to the "Deckard is a replicant" theory or not, he
certainly isn't intended to be one of the escapees.
day...@eagle.wesleyan.edu
> -eric pivnik writes:-
>
> "A review of the Deckert as replicant circumstantial evidence:
>
> - Gaff apparantly knows what Deckert dreams about (the unicorn) implies
> that Deckert's memories are planted.
>
> - Deckert is the best of the Bladerunners (takes one to catch one)
>
> - Never took a vo-comp test.
>
It's _Deckard_ not Deckert, Deckart or Deckerd, and Blade Runner is two words{
You missed Deckard's glowing eyes, and his collection of photographs (which the
set designer admits are too old: a mistake.) I don't take Deckard's ability to
fight it out with Roy as a token of his non-humanness: he is simply a man who
has nothing left to lose but his life, but he desperately clings to _that_.
On the other hand, when Deckard and Gaff are searching Leon's apartment Roy
refers to them as "Men? Police Men?"
During the rooftop battle between Roy and Deckard, Roy says "I've seen things
you People wouldn't believe..."
Face it folks, it was _intended_ to be ambigious.
> During the fight with Roy, Roy calls Deckart *by name* (if memory serves).
> How did Roy know his name? Also, Zhora may have recognised Deckert but
> did not attack him until she was dressed in order to escape (ie a naked
> women with a snake would be noticed).
Roy's knowing Deckard's name is never explained in the film, so anything based
on that is really just conjecture. I disagree about Zhora's motivation in
waiting to kill Deckard: it would have been easier to kill him first, stash the
body under wardrobe and leave at her leisure. From the film we can't know if
she knows who Deckard is.
> And I do not think Rachel fits the description of the missing replicant
> as she was an experiment by the Tyrrel coperation.
Quite so, and the key here is that Bryant doesn't add Rachel to Deckard's hit
list until _after_ she runs away from Tyrrell. Rachel is not the 6th
replicant.
> What do people think? I came away from the directors cut thinking that
> Deckert *was* number six.
No. He's not the missing 6th replicant. He _might_ be a replicant, that was
purposely left ambigious, since the question that the film poses is "What
makes humans Human? If you build something that looks, acts and thinks that it
is human, is it not Human?"
The missing replicant was to be "Mary", a nanny model. Deckard was to
accidently kill her in a closet in Sebastian's apartment. Due to multiple
revisions of the script, the numbering error wasn't noticed until some of the
principal photography was completed.
My copy of the script has Bryant saying "I've got five skin jobs walking the
streets.." The "five" is obviously a change, since it doesn't line up. Later
Bryant's lines are "We had an escape from the Off world colonies two weeks ago.
Six replicants, three male, three female. Slaughtered twenty three people and
jumped a shuttle." Later, the script calls for "Bryant pushes a button. And a
series of revolving still shots of Leon, Pris, Mary and Zhora appear on the
screen."
In the script, Deckard kills Zhora, meets up with Rachel, is attacked by Leon,
then is met by Bryant who tells him "four to go..." these last three elements
are reversed in the film to accomidate the "four.."
Hrvoje Niksic
> 6. Deckard
Nope...
> His eyes had the characteristics of a replicant( shiny and glossy).And
> his dream of the Unicorn.......well that was the replicant's dream( what
> a friend who had read the book told me!)
About shiny eyes, the film producers claim that they were only an effect,
and as thus not seen by the people "involved", but only by the cinema
audience.
Had that friend instructed you better, he would have told you that in the
book "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep" Deckard was NOT an android.
Were Deckard a replicant, there would be no contrast between US humans and
THEM replicants, or vice versa, or between humans and
non-humans-but-almost-humans-or-whatever, but only a replicant-to-replicant
huntdown.
Get it?
Hrv
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wayne fiebick
so maybe she and Deckard were a refined model that were more human than human. I
guess that if you noticed that you could do things that no other person could do,
you might start wondering if maybe you were a replicant.
wayno
William Silvey
Z> > that Deckard had.
Z> Are all replicants unreliable? Or only the ones treated as slaves?
Z> What about a replicant that thinks it is human and is not mistreated?
^^^^^^^
DeckarD, DeckarD, D E C K A R D!
Z> As I said Deckert cant be one of the escapees because Zhora doesnt
Z> recognize him. Its still vague if Rachel was an escapee. If not then
Z> there still one unnacounted for. Nonetheless the deckert as replicant
Z> angle
Z> is pretty far-fetched. Change the unicorn origami to anything else
Z> and there'd be nothing to discuss.
Z> -eric
and it's all pretty much covered in the .FAQ
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day...@eagle.wesleyan.edu
> : First of all, the escapees knew each other and stayed together (when they
> : weren't working on infiltrating the Tyrell Coorporation). The 4 replicants -
> : Roy, Leon, Pris and Zhora - didn't recognize Deckard in any way, and they
> : would certainly do that it if he had escaped together with them. In other
> : words, the replicant fried when trying to break into the Tyrell Coorporation's: building wasn't Deckard.
>
>
> Maybe Deckard was fried, greatly damaged, and then they had to give him
> another head, and by the way, another face, along with a brand new
> personnality. So this could be the reason why the others didn't recognize
> him, because he's got a new head.
Gave. Him. A. New. Head. Oh, boy.
OK. Here's the answer. It was a mistake. There _was_ going to be a 6th replicant, Mary.
References to her can still be found in the commercially available script. The
script was still in revision while principal photography was in progress, so
some errors crept in. Mary was never filmed. Deckard is _not_ the 6th
replicant, nor is Rachel.
And that 2 page Sig. has _got_ to go, guy.
William Silvey
d> My copy of the script has Bryant saying "I've got five skin jobs walking
d> the
d> streets.." The "five" is obviously a change, since it doesn't line up.
d> Later
d> Bryant's lines are "We had an escape from the Off world colonies two weeks
d> ago.
d> Six replicants, three male, three female. Slaughtered twenty three people
d> and
d> jumped a shuttle." Later, the script calls for "Bryant pushes a button.
d> And a
d> series of revolving still shots of Leon, Pris, Mary and Zhora appear on
d> the
d> screen."
Listen carefully to the audio track in this segment; you can hear places where
the quality of the track (and I'm talking about LD here so it's not a dodgy
videotape audio-dropout) changes, as though some dialogue was redone. It
certainly stands to reason, in the scramble to re-edit the film, that they had
to redo the audio here...(spec. Bryant's bit about the number of replicants)
Paul Duncanson
>SOMEWHERE I heard that one of them died when the ship they escaped in crashed
>into the ocean, has anyone else heard this?
The extra replicant was written out during shooting. The resulting continuity
error is *NOT* in the line about six of them escaping. Bryant's line about
one being fried should have been changed to two got fried. Everything makes
sense then.
Carlos Francisco Gomez
>00csmc...@bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:
This makes sense. The Marvel Comic Adaption (October, 1982) resolved this
by having Bryant say "...FIVE of 'em jumped that shuttle".
Change of Subject:
Did Gaff say "Mister NightTime" while he was talking to Deckard
at the beginning? The comic translates what Gaff was saying into
English, with Gaff basically calling Deckard a dirtbag. I have
yet to cross-reference this with the film, though.
...cfg...
12/04/94
Paul Duncanson
>Change of Subject:
> Did Gaff say "Mister NightTime" while he was talking to Deckard
> at the beginning? The comic translates what Gaff was saying into
> English, with Gaff basically calling Deckard a dirtbag. I have
> yet to cross-reference this with the film, though.
The screenplay gives english translations of what Gaff has to say to Deckard
in "cityspeak" (though the script says "in Japanese"). What appears in the
comic is almost exactly what Gaff says in the screenplay. A few bits have
been removed but the lines he does get in the comic are straight from the
script.
Matt Del Vecchio
Errt wrong answer. Originaly they had six reps written in the movie, eventually
one was removed. However the scene in which he said 6 was not.
matt
Jeffrey Keezel
the six that escaped which ended up being four on back on
earth? Don't they explain how two of them got toasted along the
way? Then the number of kills goes up to five when Rachel
disappears from Tyrell Corp.
See "Is Deckard a Replicant" elsewhere in this ng for Ridley
Scott interview...
thekeez
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day...@eagle.wesleyan.edu
> In article <1995Feb25...@eagle.wesleyan.edu>, day...@eagle.wesleyan.edu (day...@eagle.wesleyan.edu) writes:
>>
>>While it can be argued that Deckard _might_ be (or _might_ not be) a replicant
>>from the information in the film, there simply isn't enough proof for either
>>argument. You simply can't tell. If Deckard _is_ a replicant, he most
>>certainly _isn't_ on of the six escapees.
>>
> I may be completely wrong here (& told some bullsh*t by someone)
> but I knew someone who said they knew someone (kinda like a family
> tree eh?) that spoke to Ruger Hauer (sorry if spelt wrong) on
> this. He said that one was killed right at the start, and the
> others carried 'it' around for a bit. This guy def. got the
> 'impression' that it was filmed and then cut & re-filmed after....
> Anyone else heard this?
My source tells me that the character was "Mary" -- a nanny of sorts. Deckard
was to have killed her as she hid in a closet in Sebastian's apartment. The
scene was never filmed.
Drew Dubber
In article <1995Feb25...@eagle.wesleyan.edu>, day...@eagle.wesleyan.edu (day...@eagle.wesleyan.edu) writes:
>In article <3ibp9j$2...@urvile.MSUS.EDU>, mdelve...@vax2.winona.msus.edu (Matt Del Vecchio) writes: