[Web Review] Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets Review

[Your Name]

ComingSoon.net has a review of the new movie "Valerian and the City of
a Thousand Planets" and concludes with the sentence:

Instead it’s an astounding mess.

<http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/reviews/868197-valerian-and-the-city-of-a-thousand-planets-review>




Not really a surprise when they've got a singer-wannabe-actress
(Rhianna) and a model-wannabe-actress (Cara Delevingne) as two of the
characters. It also looks like a Star Wars / Bladerunner / Avatar
rip-off.

[Dimensional Traveler]

Its actually based off a French comic.

--
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instinct are running screaming.

[Ted Nolan <tednolan>]

In article <ok6pff$d1o$1...@dont-email.me>,

Dimensional Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
>On 7/12/2017 7:46 PM, Your Name wrote:
>>
>> ComingSoon.net has a review of the new movie "Valerian and the City of a
>> Thousand Planets" and concludes with the sentence:
>>
>> Instead it’s an astounding mess.
>>
>>
><http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/reviews/868197-valerian-and-the-city-of-a-thousand-planets-review>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Not really a surprise when they've got a singer-wannabe-actress
>> (Rhianna) and a model-wannabe-actress (Cara Delevingne) as two of the
>> characters. It also looks like a Star Wars / Bladerunner / Avatar rip-off.
>>
>Its actually based off a French comic.
>

True, and one which predates "Star Wars" (1967), but that doesn't mean
the *movie* can't be all of those things.

The trailer really looked lush though..

Of course "Jupiter Ascending" *looked* lush.
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[Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy]

Dimensional Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote in
news:ok6pff$d1o$1...@dont-email.me:

> On 7/12/2017 7:46 PM, Your Name wrote:
>>
>> ComingSoon.net has a review of the new movie "Valerian and the
>> City of a Thousand Planets" and concludes with the sentence:
>>
>> Instead it’s an astounding mess.
>>
>> <http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/reviews/868197-valerian-and-th
>> e-city-of-a-thousand-planets-review>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Not really a surprise when they've got a singer-wannabe-actress
>> (Rhianna) and a model-wannabe-actress (Cara Delevingne) as two
>> of the characters. It also looks like a Star Wars / Bladerunner
>> / Avatar rip-off.
>>
> Its actually based off a French comic.
>

Which, itself, could well be a Star Wars / Bladerunner / Avatar
rip-off.

Also, the movie could easily be "based on the title of a popular
comic that we've never read."

(I just watched and read _Howl's Moving Castle_ back to back. They
both have a protagonist named Sophie, who is cursed by the Witch of
hte Waste to be old, they both have a wizard named Howl who lives
in a castle that moves, and they both have a demon name Calcifer.
And that's as far as the resemblance goes.)

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[Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy]

t...@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) wrote in
news:eso9ke...@mid.individual.net:

> In article <ok6pff$d1o$1...@dont-email.me>,
> Dimensional Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
>>On 7/12/2017 7:46 PM, Your Name wrote:
>>>
>>> ComingSoon.net has a review of the new movie "Valerian and the
>>> City of a Thousand Planets" and concludes with the sentence:
>>>
>>> Instead it’s an astounding mess.
>>>
>>>
>><http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/reviews/868197-valerian-and-the
>>-city-of-a-thousand-planets-review>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Not really a surprise when they've got a
>>> singer-wannabe-actress (Rhianna) and a model-wannabe-actress
>>> (Cara Delevingne) as two of the characters. It also looks like
>>> a Star Wars / Bladerunner / Avatar rip-off.
>>>
>>Its actually based off a French comic.
>>
>
> True, and one which predates "Star Wars" (1967), but that
> doesn't mean the *movie* can't be all of those things.
>
> The trailer really looked lush though..

As far as the trailer goes, I waffle between "first rate f/x eye
candy by the guy that did one of my all time favorite movies" and
"whiney kids pretending to be grown up, but acting like whiney kids
who need to be sent to bed without supper."

>
> Of course "Jupiter Ascending" *looked* lush.

Capricorn One had some of the best production values I've ever seen
in a contemporary space-ish movie. And a script written by a Rush
Limbaugh and Alex Jones' demented love child having an LSD
flashback.

[Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy]

Your Name <Your...@YourISP.com> wrote in
news:ok6muu$ejb$1...@gioia.aioe.org:

>
> ComingSoon.net has a review of the new movie "Valerian and the
> City of a Thousand Planets" and concludes with the sentence:
>
> Instead it’s an astounding mess.
>
> <http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/reviews/868197-valerian-and-the
> -city-of-a-thousand-planets-review>

I think he may have been a tad disappointed.

I know I wouldn't want to be an actor called a Keanue Reeves
impersonator for the depth and emotion of my performance.

[Dimensional Traveler]

On 7/12/2017 9:05 PM, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:
> Dimensional Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote in
> news:ok6pff$d1o$1...@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 7/12/2017 7:46 PM, Your Name wrote:
>>>
>>> ComingSoon.net has a review of the new movie "Valerian and the
>>> City of a Thousand Planets" and concludes with the sentence:
>>>

>>> Instead it’s an astounding mess.

>>>
>>> <http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/reviews/868197-valerian-and-th
>>> e-city-of-a-thousand-planets-review>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Not really a surprise when they've got a singer-wannabe-actress
>>> (Rhianna) and a model-wannabe-actress (Cara Delevingne) as two
>>> of the characters. It also looks like a Star Wars / Bladerunner
>>> / Avatar rip-off.
>>>
>> Its actually based off a French comic.
>>
> Which, itself, could well be a Star Wars / Bladerunner / Avatar
> rip-off.
>

More likely the other way around, as Ted Nolan noted.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valérian_and_Laureline "Valérian and
Laureline (French: Valérian et Laureline), also known as Valérian:
Spatio-Temporal Agent (French: Valérian, agent spatio-temporel) or just
Valérian, is a French science fiction comics series, created by writer
Pierre Christin and artist Jean-Claude Mézières. First published in
Pilote magazine in 1967, the final installment was published in 2010.
All of the Valérian stories have been collected in graphic novel album
format, comprising some twenty-one volumes plus a short story collection
and an encyclopaedia. Valérian is one of the top five biggest selling
Franco-Belgian comics titles of its publisher, Dargaud."

> Also, the movie could easily be "based on the title of a popular
> comic that we've never read."
>
> (I just watched and read _Howl's Moving Castle_ back to back. They
> both have a protagonist named Sophie, who is cursed by the Witch of
> hte Waste to be old, they both have a wizard named Howl who lives
> in a castle that moves, and they both have a demon name Calcifer.
> And that's as far as the resemblance goes.)
>

Well, ya, this _is_ Hollywood we're talking about. The city where every
producer, director and writer has to piss on a project trying to make it
"theirs".

Personally I plan to see it, for the eye candy if nothing else. But
definitely on a matinee. No reason to pay full ticket price.

[Your Name]

On 2017-07-13 03:33:52 +0000, Dimensional Traveler said:
> On 7/12/2017 7:46 PM, Your Name wrote:
>>
>> ComingSoon.net has a review of the new movie "Valerian and the City of
>> a Thousand Planets" and concludes with the sentence:
>>
>> Instead it's an astounding mess.
>>
>> <http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/reviews/868197-valerian-and-the-city-of-a-thousand-planets-review>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Not really a surprise when they've got a singer-wannabe-actress
>> (Rhianna) and a model-wannabe-actress (Cara Delevingne) as two of the
>> characters. It also looks like a Star Wars / Bladerunner / Avatar
>> rip-off.
>
> Its actually based off a French comic.

True, but when has a Hollyweird movie actually been the same as the
source material?? :-)

The Smurfs movie, for example, was a bad rip-off of The Chipmunks
movies, despite supposedly being "based on" the cartoon TV show. The
Thunderbirds movie was a bad Spy Kids rip-off, despite being suppoedly
based on the old puppet TV series. The new Thunderbirds Are Go animated
show is a bad Max Steel rip-off, depsite being suppoedly based on the
old puppet TV series. The John Carter movie looked like a bad Star Wars
rip-off, even though it was based on a book which wasn't.

The list is near endless.

The Valerian movie (from the trailers) *looks* like a Star Wars /
Bladerunner / Avatar rip-off ... the storyline / plot itself is of
course different.

[Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy]

Dimensional Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote in

news:ok6vcd$qsk$1...@dont-email.me:

Or it could be a ripoff of the same stuff that Star Wars ripped
off.

There are no new ideas in storytelling. Hasn't been for centureis.

>
>> Also, the movie could easily be "based on the title of a
>> popular comic that we've never read."
>>
>> (I just watched and read _Howl's Moving Castle_ back to back.
>> They both have a protagonist named Sophie, who is cursed by the
>> Witch of hte Waste to be old, they both have a wizard named
>> Howl who lives in a castle that moves, and they both have a
>> demon name Calcifer. And that's as far as the resemblance
>> goes.)
>>
> Well, ya, this _is_ Hollywood we're talking about.

Indeed. Clearly, the studio execs who flunked out of their MBA
probram but slept with the right people to get the job are more
qualified to make creative decisions than the people who have made
the most successful and critically acclaimed movies ever.

> The city
> where every producer, director and writer has to piss on a
> project trying to make it "theirs".

Never take a percentage of the net.

>
> Personally I plan to see it, for the eye candy if nothing else.
> But definitely on a matinee. No reason to pay full ticket
> price.
>

I may wait until it's on cable. It's entirely possible that will be
pretty quick.

[Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy]

Your Name <Your...@YourISP.com> wrote in

news:ok73e4$1avn$1...@adenine.netfront.net:

> On 2017-07-13 03:33:52 +0000, Dimensional Traveler said:
>> On 7/12/2017 7:46 PM, Your Name wrote:
>>>
>>> ComingSoon.net has a review of the new movie "Valerian and the
>>> City of a Thousand Planets" and concludes with the sentence:
>>>
>>> Instead it's an astounding mess.
>>>
>>> <http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/reviews/868197-valerian-and-t
>>> he-city-of-a-thousand-planets-review>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Not really a surprise when they've got a
>>> singer-wannabe-actress (Rhianna) and a model-wannabe-actress
>>> (Cara Delevingne) as two of the characters. It also looks like
>>> a Star Wars / Bladerunner / Avatar rip-off.
>>
>> Its actually based off a French comic.
>
> True, but when has a Hollyweird movie actually been the same as
> the source material?? :-)

It happens. Rarely enough to be very noteworthy. The Expanse (TV
show, not movie, but the same process) is the same story. But then,
the authors are on the writing staff.

[Dimensional Traveler]

On 7/13/2017 10:17 AM, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:
> Dimensional Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote in
> news:ok6vcd$qsk$1...@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 7/12/2017 9:05 PM, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:
>>> Dimensional Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote in
>>> news:ok6pff$d1o$1...@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>> On 7/12/2017 7:46 PM, Your Name wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ComingSoon.net has a review of the new movie "Valerian and
>>>>> the City of a Thousand Planets" and concludes with the
>>>>> sentence:
>>>>>

>>>>> Instead it’s an astounding mess.

>>>>>
>>>>> <http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/reviews/868197-valerian-and-
>>>>> th e-city-of-a-thousand-planets-review>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Not really a surprise when they've got a
>>>>> singer-wannabe-actress (Rhianna) and a model-wannabe-actress
>>>>> (Cara Delevingne) as two of the characters. It also looks
>>>>> like a Star Wars / Bladerunner / Avatar rip-off.
>>>>>
>>>> Its actually based off a French comic.
>>>>
>>> Which, itself, could well be a Star Wars / Bladerunner / Avatar
>>> rip-off.
>>>
>> More likely the other way around, as Ted Nolan noted.

>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valérian_and_Laureline
>> "Valérian and Laureline (French: Valérian et Laureline), also
>> known as Valérian: Spatio-Temporal Agent (French: Valérian,
>> agent spatio-temporel) or just Valérian, is a French science

>> fiction comics series, created by writer Pierre Christin and

>> artist Jean-Claude Mézières. First published in Pilote

>> magazine in 1967, the final installment was published in 2010.

>> All of the Valérian stories have been collected in graphic

>> novel album format, comprising some twenty-one volumes plus a

>> short story collection and an encyclopaedia. Valérian is one of

>> the top five biggest selling Franco-Belgian comics titles of its
>> publisher, Dargaud."
>
> Or it could be a ripoff of the same stuff that Star Wars ripped
> off.
>
> There are no new ideas in storytelling. Hasn't been for centureis.
>>
>>> Also, the movie could easily be "based on the title of a
>>> popular comic that we've never read."
>>>
>>> (I just watched and read _Howl's Moving Castle_ back to back.
>>> They both have a protagonist named Sophie, who is cursed by the
>>> Witch of hte Waste to be old, they both have a wizard named
>>> Howl who lives in a castle that moves, and they both have a
>>> demon name Calcifer. And that's as far as the resemblance
>>> goes.)
>>>
>> Well, ya, this _is_ Hollywood we're talking about.
>
> Indeed. Clearly, the studio execs who flunked out of their MBA
> probram but slept with the right people to get the job are more
> qualified to make creative decisions than the people who have made
> the most successful and critically acclaimed movies ever.
>
>> The city
>> where every producer, director and writer has to piss on a
>> project trying to make it "theirs".
>
> Never take a percentage of the net.

Because no movie in the history of Hollywood has ever turned a profit
according their accountants. :)

>>
>> Personally I plan to see it, for the eye candy if nothing else.
>> But definitely on a matinee. No reason to pay full ticket
>> price.
>>
> I may wait until it's on cable. It's entirely possible that will be
> pretty quick.
>
>


--

[Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy]

Dimensional Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote in

news:ok8jb2$jfl$1...@dont-email.me:

Indeed. One wonders how they stay in business.

[Lewis]

In message <eso9ke...@mid.individual.net> Ted Nolan <tednolan> <t...@loft.tnolan.com> wrote:
> In article <ok6pff$d1o$1...@dont-email.me>,
> Dimensional Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
>>On 7/12/2017 7:46 PM, Your Name wrote:
>>>
>>> ComingSoon.net has a review of the new movie "Valerian and the City of a
>>> Thousand Planets" and concludes with the sentence:
>>>
>>> Instead it’s an astounding mess.
>>>
>>>
>><http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/reviews/868197-valerian-and-the-city-of-a-thousand-planets-review>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Not really a surprise when they've got a singer-wannabe-actress
>>> (Rhianna) and a model-wannabe-actress (Cara Delevingne) as two of the
>>> characters. It also looks like a Star Wars / Bladerunner / Avatar rip-off.
>>>
>>Its actually based off a French comic.
>>

> True, and one which predates "Star Wars" (1967), but that doesn't mean
> the *movie* can't be all of those things.

> The trailer really looked lush though..

Yep.

> Of course "Jupiter Ascending" *looked* lush.

And was.

I've never understood the hatred for JA. Was it a great movie? Nope. Was
it a gorgeous movie? Yep. Was it a whole lot of silly fun? Yep. Have I
watched it multiple times and enjoyed it every time? Yep.

It's not worse than Fifth Element.

--
And Super Heroes come to feast
To taste the flesh not yet deceased
And all I know is still the beast is feeding.

[Lewis]

In message <XnsA7B0D680C8E...@69.16.179.42> Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dimensional Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote in
> news:ok6pff$d1o$1...@dont-email.me:

>> On 7/12/2017 7:46 PM, Your Name wrote:
>>>
>>> ComingSoon.net has a review of the new movie "Valerian and the
>>> City of a Thousand Planets" and concludes with the sentence:
>>>
>>> Instead it’s an astounding mess.
>>>
>>> <http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/reviews/868197-valerian-and-th
>>> e-city-of-a-thousand-planets-review>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Not really a surprise when they've got a singer-wannabe-actress
>>> (Rhianna) and a model-wannabe-actress (Cara Delevingne) as two
>>> of the characters. It also looks like a Star Wars / Bladerunner
>>> / Avatar rip-off.
>>>
>> Its actually based off a French comic.
>>
> Which, itself, could well be a Star Wars / Bladerunner / Avatar
> rip-off.

that would be a remarkable achievement to rip-off IPs that post-date you
by decades.


--
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Obama ran, so our children can fly." (paraphrased from NPR)

[Ted Nolan <tednolan>]

In article <slrnomfu7d....@snow.local>,

I didn't *hate* JA -- I was entertained, but it could have been so much
more. In particular, I thought they made the girl kind of a bystander
in her own story instead of her, at some point, starting to drive the
action.

[Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy]

Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote in
news:slrnomfuap....@snow.local:

> In message <XnsA7B0D680C8E...@69.16.179.42> Gutless
> Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Dimensional Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote in
>> news:ok6pff$d1o$1...@dont-email.me:
>
>>> On 7/12/2017 7:46 PM, Your Name wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ComingSoon.net has a review of the new movie "Valerian and
>>>> the City of a Thousand Planets" and concludes with the
>>>> sentence:
>>>>
>>>> Instead it’s an astounding mess.
>>>>
>>>> <http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/reviews/868197-valerian-and-
>>>> th e-city-of-a-thousand-planets-review>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Not really a surprise when they've got a
>>>> singer-wannabe-actress (Rhianna) and a model-wannabe-actress
>>>> (Cara Delevingne) as two of the characters. It also looks
>>>> like a Star Wars / Bladerunner / Avatar rip-off.
>>>>
>>> Its actually based off a French comic.
>>>
>> Which, itself, could well be a Star Wars / Bladerunner / Avatar
>> rip-off.
>
> that would be a remarkable achievement to rip-off IPs that
> post-date you by decades.
>

So they ripped off the same sources. There was nothing in Star Wars
that was particularly original, either.

[Dimensional Traveler]

On 7/13/2017 4:10 PM, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:
> Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote in
> news:slrnomfuap....@snow.local:
>
>> In message <XnsA7B0D680C8E...@69.16.179.42> Gutless
>> Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Dimensional Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote in
>>> news:ok6pff$d1o$1...@dont-email.me:
>>
>>>> On 7/12/2017 7:46 PM, Your Name wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ComingSoon.net has a review of the new movie "Valerian and
>>>>> the City of a Thousand Planets" and concludes with the
>>>>> sentence:
>>>>>

>>>>> Instead it’s an astounding mess.

>>>>>
>>>>> <http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/reviews/868197-valerian-and-
>>>>> th e-city-of-a-thousand-planets-review>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Not really a surprise when they've got a
>>>>> singer-wannabe-actress (Rhianna) and a model-wannabe-actress
>>>>> (Cara Delevingne) as two of the characters. It also looks
>>>>> like a Star Wars / Bladerunner / Avatar rip-off.
>>>>>
>>>> Its actually based off a French comic.
>>>>
>>> Which, itself, could well be a Star Wars / Bladerunner / Avatar
>>> rip-off.
>>
>> that would be a remarkable achievement to rip-off IPs that
>> post-date you by decades.
>>
> So they ripped off the same sources. There was nothing in Star Wars
> that was particularly original, either.
>


--

[Dimensional Traveler]

On 7/13/2017 4:10 PM, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:

> Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote in
> news:slrnomfuap....@snow.local:
>
>> In message <XnsA7B0D680C8E...@69.16.179.42> Gutless
>> Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Dimensional Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote in
>>> news:ok6pff$d1o$1...@dont-email.me:
>>
>>>> On 7/12/2017 7:46 PM, Your Name wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ComingSoon.net has a review of the new movie "Valerian and
>>>>> the City of a Thousand Planets" and concludes with the
>>>>> sentence:
>>>>>

>>>>> Instead it’s an astounding mess.

>>>>>
>>>>> <http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/reviews/868197-valerian-and-
>>>>> th e-city-of-a-thousand-planets-review>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Not really a surprise when they've got a
>>>>> singer-wannabe-actress (Rhianna) and a model-wannabe-actress
>>>>> (Cara Delevingne) as two of the characters. It also looks
>>>>> like a Star Wars / Bladerunner / Avatar rip-off.
>>>>>
>>>> Its actually based off a French comic.
>>>>
>>> Which, itself, could well be a Star Wars / Bladerunner / Avatar
>>> rip-off.
>>
>> that would be a remarkable achievement to rip-off IPs that
>> post-date you by decades.
>>
> So they ripped off the same sources. There was nothing in Star Wars
> that was particularly original, either.
>

Well, if you go far enough back there are what, only 8 original stories,
and everything since has just been variations on them. But in this case
Lucas has admitted he was "inspired" by the Saturday matinee serials
like Flash Gordon and Buck Rogers.

[Lewis]

But mostly Throne of Blood, which one could argue Star Wars is simply a
remake of.

--
++?????++ Out of Cheese Error. Redo From Start.

[J. Clarke]

In article <XnsA7B0D680C8E...@69.16.179.42>, taus...@gmail.com
says...

>
> Dimensional Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote in
> news:ok6pff$d1o$1...@dont-email.me:
>
> > On 7/12/2017 7:46 PM, Your Name wrote:
> >>
> >> ComingSoon.net has a review of the new movie "Valerian and the
> >> City of a Thousand Planets" and concludes with the sentence:
> >>

> >> Instead it�s an astounding mess.

> >>
> >> <http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/reviews/868197-valerian-and-th
> >> e-city-of-a-thousand-planets-review>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Not really a surprise when they've got a singer-wannabe-actress
> >> (Rhianna) and a model-wannabe-actress (Cara Delevingne) as two
> >> of the characters. It also looks like a Star Wars / Bladerunner
> >> / Avatar rip-off.
> >>
> > Its actually based off a French comic.
> >
> Which, itself, could well be a Star Wars / Bladerunner / Avatar
> rip-off.

Except it started in 1967.

[Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy]

Dimensional Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote in

news:ok92pc$7vn$1...@dont-email.me:

Star Wars borrows a bit more than many movies, though.

[Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy]

"J. Clarke" <j.clark...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:MPG.33d1ea6cc...@news.eternal-september.org:

> In article <XnsA7B0D680C8E...@69.16.179.42>,
> taus...@gmail.com says...
>>
>> Dimensional Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote in
>> news:ok6pff$d1o$1...@dont-email.me:
>>
>> > On 7/12/2017 7:46 PM, Your Name wrote:
>> >>
>> >> ComingSoon.net has a review of the new movie "Valerian and
>> >> the City of a Thousand Planets" and concludes with the
>> >> sentence:
>> >>

>> >> Instead itโค?s an astounding mess.
>> >>
>> >> <http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/reviews/868197-valerian-and

>> >> -th e-city-of-a-thousand-planets-review>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Not really a surprise when they've got a
>> >> singer-wannabe-actress (Rhianna) and a model-wannabe-actress
>> >> (Cara Delevingne) as two of the characters. It also looks
>> >> like a Star Wars / Bladerunner / Avatar rip-off.
>> >>
>> > Its actually based off a French comic.
>> >
>> Which, itself, could well be a Star Wars / Bladerunner / Avatar
>> rip-off.
>
> Except it started in 1967.
>

Do go read the rest of the thread, retard. If you can.

[Joe Pfeiffer]

Having just read a synopsis of Throne of Blood -- umm, really? It's
described as Macbeth in medieval Japan. I'm having a hard time seeing
Star Wars as Macbeth.

[Your Name]

George Lucas originally wanted to *make* a Flash Gordon movie, but
couldn't get the rights, so made his own "space opera" instead. He took
inspiration from all sorts of sources - Seven Samuari, Akira Kurosawa's
The Hidden Fortress, World War II fighter plane dogfights, myths like
King Arthur, etc., etc. He also wanted to make a movie that harked back
to the old "boy's own" adventure serials he watched in the cinema as a
kid, things like Flash Gordon, Tarzan, Buck Rogers, etc.

The original "Star Wars" movie may not have been particularly original
and Lucas' writing and directing in some ways pretty awful, but the way
it was done and the time it was released combined to make it one of the
most important movies ever, virtually re-kickstarting the whole sci-fi
movie genre from it's mostly B-grade origins.

[Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy]

Your Name <Your...@YourISP.com> wrote in

news:ok9fe0$9g2$1...@gioia.aioe.org:

> but the way it was done and the time it was released
> combined to make it one of the most important movies ever,
> virtually re-kickstarting the whole sci-fi movie genre from it's
> mostly B-grade origins.
>

No doubt about it.

But it wasn't particularly creative. Like a good joke, it's all about
delivery, and timing.

[Jack Bohn]

There were a few old sf properties made into movies immediately post-Star Wars and they were "retooled" to be so similar that I wonder whether the name was bought just to dare Fox to sue a 1930s title as copying him. (Buck Rogers, H.G. Well's Things to Come, Lensman.)

I've found five videos on YouTube about the similarities of Star Wars to Valerian. Their consensus:
Millennium Falcon is saucer-shaped like a ship in the comic.
There is a creature with wings and a long nose that might be mistaken for Wattoo in a dark alley.
A man is trapped in a block of material.
A woman appears in a metal bikini. (I won't go into the history of the metal brasier as an accessory to a transparent spacesuit, I'll just note the comic was preceded by Frank Frazetta's 1970 cover painting for _A Princess of Mars_, which was widely available in the US.)
A guy with a helmet concealing his destroyed face -- like Doctor Doom a decade before.
A character in a high-collar military uniform who looks like Peter Cushing. (I love that so much I want to repeat it. A character -- drawn in 1971 -- who looks like Peter Cushing!)

I remain unconvinced that this was one of the sources Lucas stole from.

--
-Jack

[Your Name]

On 2017-07-14 15:56:25 +0000, Jack Bohn said:
>
> There were a few old sf properties made into movies immediately
> post-Star Wars and they were "retooled" to be so similar that I wonder
> whether the name was bought just to dare Fox to sue a 1930s title as
> copying him. (Buck Rogers, H.G. Well's Things to Come, Lensman.)

There were a ton of sci-fi movies and TV shows trying to jump on the
bandwagon after "Star Wars" was so successful ... including the "Star
Trek" movie. Some based on existing sources, some new ideas, but most
of them were just rubbish.

"Battlestar Galactica" and "Buck Rogers" were two of the better
cash-ins (if you ignore the second seasons!), with "Battlestar
Galactica" often labelled as "Star Wars for TV". George Lucas did try
to sue the makers, some of whom had worked on Star Wars, but lost.

> I've found five videos on YouTube about the similarities of Star Wars
> to Valerian. Their consensus:
> Millennium Falcon is saucer-shaped like a ship in the comic.

<snip>

One of the original designs of the Millennium Falcon was dropped
because it was considered to close to the Eagle spaceships of the UK TV
series "Space 1999".

[Lewis]

<http://www.starwars.com/news/the-cinema-behind-star-wars-throne-of-blood>

--
"He has Van Gogh's ear for music." - Billy Wilder

[Joe Pfeiffer]

When the first Star Wars reference in the article is pointing out
Toshiro Mifune was considered for the role of Obi-Wan, the second is
desperately trying to draw a parallel between the forest in Macbeth to
Dagobah, and the third to Hayden Christensen (let's remember the
original discussion here is the 1977 Star Wars, not anything that came
later).... this isn't going to be making a compelling argument. And,
as I read through a another paragraph or so... it isn't.

[Jack Bohn]

Your Name wrote:
> On 2017-07-14 15:56:25 +0000, Jack Bohn said:
> >
> > There were a few old sf properties made into movies immediately
> > post-Star Wars and they were "retooled" to be so similar that I wonder
> > whether the name was bought just to dare Fox to sue a 1930s title as
> > copying him. (Buck Rogers, H.G. Well's Things to Come, Lensman.)
>
> There were a ton of sci-fi movies and TV shows trying to jump on the
> bandwagon after "Star Wars" was so successful ... including the "Star
> Trek" movie. Some based on existing sources, some new ideas, but most
> of them were just rubbish.

Of the shows revived/encouraged by Star Wars, I think Star Trek and Flash Gordon (cartoon series and the movie,) remained truest to their old selves, not adding comic-relief robots, small, one-man fighters, or blowing up the bad guy's stronghold at the end. (Waaaaait a minute, V'ger, the Reliant, Planet Genesis, hmmm...) Then there's the case of the anime Space Battleship Yamato, which had made a canceled TV series and released a compilation movie before (and if anyone wants to draw a line from that to Star Wars I wouldn't complain) and movies and TV serieses after.

> "Battlestar Galactica" and "Buck Rogers" were two of the better
> cash-ins (if you ignore the second seasons!), with "Battlestar
> Galactica" often labelled as "Star Wars for TV". George Lucas did try
> to sue the makers, some of whom had worked on Star Wars, but lost.

If we extend the wave of Star Wars encouraged/inspired stuff to 1987's Spaceballs, (or 1988's Willow,) I could only add that and The Last Starfighter to the list of good ones. There are others that are guilty pleasures.

> > I've found five videos on YouTube about the similarities of Star Wars
> > to Valerian. Their consensus:
> > Millennium Falcon is saucer-shaped like a ship in the comic.
> <snip>
>
> One of the original designs of the Millennium Falcon was dropped
> because it was considered to close to the Eagle spaceships of the UK TV
> series "Space 1999".

So you're saying they started out to rip off Space: 1999, then changed their minds and switched it all over to Valerian? :)

--
-Jack

[Lewis]

I don't agree with this. She quickly became her own agent in her own
story once she figured out what was going on.

As for driving the action, she was a housecleaner and he was an ex
military genetically modified super fighter. If she'd been driving the
action I would have been rather annoyed.


--
'Oh, I never play to win.' She smiled. 'But I do play not to lose.'

[Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy]

Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote in
news:slrnomkvbm....@snow.local:

Equating "driving the action" with "performing the action scenes"
is a rather simplistic view. One worth of a no-talent hack of a
studio exec.