Wrath of Kahn quote?
Win Kang
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eas...@taurus.oac.uci.edu (Win Kang) wrote:
> Hmmm I cant seem to recall where Kahn got that last quote when he tried
to blow up the Entrprise in ST2. Was is Charles Dickens?
_Moby-Dick_, by Melville.
> How did it go?
It went pretty well, as quotes go.
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eas...@taurus.oac.uci.edu (Win Kang) wrote:
> Hmmm I cant seem to recall where Kahn got that last quote when he tried to blow up the Entrprise in ST2. Was is Charles Dickens?
>
It was a paraphrase from Moby Dick when Ahab was tangled up in the
harpoon lines. Many of Kahn quotes were from the same novel, kinda of
like Moby Dick in space.
Matthew Paul Spizuco
to blow up the Entrprise in ST2. Was is Charles Dickens?
>
>How did it go? > >email eas...@taurus.oac.uci.edu
Do you mean when Kahn is activating the Genesis device? He was
saying something like "with my last breath, I spit at thee.." I think
most of his quotes came from Moby Dick. Kirk was Kahn's great white
whale (especially in ST:V. Thar she blows!! I'm glad to see he lost some
weight for ST:VI and Generations); his great obsession. Additional
comments from more knowledgible sources are encouraged.
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>>
>>How did it go?
>
>(all?) quotes were from Moby Dick, which btw, you see when Chekov is
>examining the Botany Bay. (And then ST VI has Chang and Shakespeare.)
>
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Kahn: But you. I never forget a face. Mister (pause) Chekov.
I think Kahn's recognition of Chekov went something like that. I
watched ST:II a few weeks ago and still think it's great. There is just
one small problem with this scene. Chekov was not in "Space Seed".
Kahn never met the young Russian crewman. Of course, the character
Chekov could have been around, off screen. But in screenwriting reality,
if it isn't on the screen it doesn't exist (this doesn't include quotes
from characters concerning events not seen. Duh.). This was a major
point of debate between my friends and me when ST:II came out. The only
possible, but weak, explanation we could come up with was that Kahn
checked out the personal files after taking over the ship in "Space Seed"
and that is where he came across Chekov. Any comments??
Michael Martin
Simon Whitaker <sim...@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU> wrote:
>eas...@taurus.oac.uci.edu (Win Kang) writes:
>
>>Hmmm I cant seem to recall where Kahn got that last quote when he tried to blow up the Entrprise in ST2. Was is Charles Dickens?
>
>>How did it go?
>
>
It's "With my last breath, I spit at thee. From hell's heart, I stab at
thee."
>
>What's the quote that ends with "...before I give him up!!" (also Moby Dick)
>
>Simon.
>
Damn, that one is so familiar, but I can't remember it. It's been a few
years since I read MD...
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which was changed somewhat to incorporate space travel, is "I'll chase him
roud the horn and nebula and around Parditions flames before I give him
up." Ahab had told this to his crew when Starbuck asked if Moby Dick was
the whale that took his leg. The other quote at the end of the movie, is
the quote that Ahab uses as he is on top of Moby Dick stabbing him with
his lance. It is also the last words Ahab uses. "From hell's heart I
stab at thee. For hates sake I spit my last breath at thee. You damned
whale." I hope that answers your question.
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>Hmmm I cant seem to recall where Kahn got that last quote when he tried to blow
>up the Entrprise in ST2. Was is Charles Dickens?
>How did it go?
>
It was from Moby Dick as Ahab was attempting to kill the whale while riding
ole Moby: "From hells heart I spit at the, with my dying breath I curse thee,
thou dam-ed whale" or something like that.
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> Hmmm I cant seem to recall where Kahn got that last quote when he tried to blow up the Entrprise in ST2. Was is Charles Dickens?
>
> How did it go?
From hell's heart I stab at thee!
For Hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee! "
William Guy
>In <easu928....@taurus.oac.uci.edu> eas...@taurus.oac.uci.edu (Win Kang) writes:
>>Hmmm I cant seem to recall where Kahn got that last quote when he tried to blow up the Entrprise in ST2. Was is Charles Dickens?
>>
>>How did it go?
>>
> the script before. If anyone out there is in film school or
The final quotes of Kahn are derived from the rantings of Captain Ahab
in H. Melville's _Moby Dick_. He updates it to reference space travel
instead of chasing the prey around the cape, etc.
If you watch Gregory Peck in _Moby Dick_ you'll recognize the feel of
the speech.
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William Guy
>>>Hmmm I cant seem to recall where Kahn got that last quote when he tried to blow up the Entrprise in ST2. Was is Charles Dickens?
>>____________________________________________________________________
>
> Kahn: But you. I never forget a face. Mister (pause) Chekov.
>
> I think Kahn's recognition of Chekov went something like that. I
>watched ST:II a few weeks ago and still think it's great. There is just
>one small problem with this scene. Chekov was not in "Space Seed".
I Agree totally! This is one of the biggest flaws in the film. Checkov
was added to the cast in the second season. If he wasn't on camera,
he wasn't on the ship. It is conceivable that Checkov could recognize
Kahn, having reviewed the ships logs. But Kahn should have had no knowledge
on Checkov.
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Laura J Valentine
mpma...@alien.ocean.washington.edu (Michael Martin) writes:
> In article <simonj.7...@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au>,
> Simon Whitaker <sim...@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU> wrote:
> >
> >>Hmmm I cant seem to recall where Kahn got that last quote when he tried to b\
> low up the Entrprise in ST2. Was is Charles Dickens?
> >
> >
> >"From [something something] I spit at thee, from [something] I stab at thee"
> >
> It's "With my last breath, I spit at thee. From hell's heart, I stab at
> thee."
No...
"From Hell's heart, I stab at thee. For hate's sake, I will spit my
last breath at thee."
I'm fairly sure it's Shakespeare. But I could be wrong. :)
>
> >
> >What's the quote that ends with "...before I give him up!!" (also Moby Dick)
> >
> >Simon.
> >
> Damn, that one is so familiar, but I can't remember it. It's been a few
> years since I read MD...
>
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Win Kang <eas...@taurus.oac.uci.edu> wrote:
>Hmmm I cant seem to recall where Kahn got that last quote when he tried to blow up the Entrprise in ST2. Was is Charles Dickens?
>
>How did it go?
I don't know which quote you're talking about, but almost all of Khan's
(all?) quotes were from Moby Dick, which btw, you see when Chekov is
examining the Botany Bay. (And then ST VI has Chang and Shakespeare.)
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Simon Whitaker
>Hmmm I cant seem to recall where Kahn got that last quote when he tried to blow up the Entrprise in ST2. Was is Charles Dickens?
>How did it go?
"From [something something] I spit at thee, from [something] I stab at thee"
What's the quote that ends with "...before I give him up!!" (also Moby Dick)
Simon.
>
DW
>
>Hmmm I cant seem to recall where Kahn got that last quote when he tried to blow up the Entrprise in ST2. Was is Charles Dickens?
>
>How did it go?
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>..I can't remember the exact quote, but I have read
the script before. If anyone out there is in film school or
is learning the craft of screenwriting, read this script. It
is a well written, correctly structured screenplay. It's one
of the first full scripts I read and I highly recommend it.
DW
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> In article <simonj.7...@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au>,
> Simon Whitaker <sim...@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU> wrote:
>>
>>>Hmmm I cant seem to recall where Kahn got that last quote when he tried to blow up the Entrprise in ST2. Was is Charles Dickens?
>>
>>>How did it go?
>>
>>
> thee."
>
>>
>>
"No! No, you can't get away. From hell's heart I stab at thee. For
Hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee."
Derek Francis Lawrence
mpma...@alien.ocean.washington.edu (Michael Martin) writes:
> In article <simonj.7...@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au>,
> Simon Whitaker <sim...@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU> wrote:
>
>>eas...@taurus.oac.uci.edu (Win Kang) writes:
>>
>>
>>> Hmmm I cant seem to recall where Kahn got that last quote when he tried
>>> to blow up the Entrprise in ST2. Was is Charles Dickens?
>> "From [something something] I spit at thee, from [something] I stab at
>> thee"
>>
> It's "With my last breath, I spit at thee. From hell's heart, I stab at
> thee."
Other way around (at least in the video version)..."From Hell's heart, I
stab at thee....for Hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee."
>> What's the quote that ends with "...before I give him up!!" (also Moby
>> Dick)
"I'll chase him round the Moons of Nebia (sp?) and the Antares Maelstrom
and through Perdition's flames before I give him up!"
I don't know if that's a paraphrase from a literary work or not, I'm just
helping you guys remember it.
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I could've sworn that there was a "Maelstrom" somewhere in that first
quote. Isn't there a line missing?
Simon Walmsley
>> Hmmm I cant seem to recall where Kahn got that last quote when he tried
>to blow up the Entrprise in ST2. Was is Charles Dickens?
>> How did it go?
>It went pretty well, as quotes go.
Here's something I posted a few years back regarding the similarities between
Moby Dick and Star Trek II.
................................................
As I didn't get shot down in flames for mentioning a connection with Star Trek
II and Moby Dick, I will explain my theory, and then see if anyone agrees.
I only just read Moby Dick, and was impressed by the monomaniac character
Captain Ahab, and as I was reading it I thought to myself, "this is just like
Khan trying to get revenge on Kirk". Then I read a little further, and was
totally convinced as I saw lines that Captain Ahab spoke in the book spoken
verbatim by Khan with reference to Kirk! Before you think to yourself that I am
reading too much into the story, consider these points:
* One of the books in Khan's marooned ship (the Botany Bay) is "Moby Dick".
* In Moby Dick, Captain Ahab seeks revenge on the whale because of what the
whale has done to him. He is completely blind to everything else, and only
looks to get revenge... to the exclusion of the safety of his crew. Ahab
blames Moby Dick for the loss of his leg.
In Trek II, Khan seeks revenge on Kirk because of what Kirk has done to him.
He is completely blind to everything else, and only looks to get revenge...
to the exclsuion of the safety of his crew. Khan blames Kirk for the loss
of his wife (Lieutenant Macguiver from "Space Seed" (TOS))
* In Moby Dick, Ahab is continually reminded by the crew to give up the chase
of the whale and to take what he already has as enough (especially Stubbs).
In Trek II, Khan is continually reminded by the crew to give up the chase
of Kirk and to take what he already has as enough (especially Joachim).
* In Moby Dick, Ahab responds to his crew's pleas to give up the chase by a
little speech that is EXACTLY copied (word for word) in Star Trek II by Khan:
"I'll chase him around the Norway Maelstrom and around perdition's flames
before I give him up!".
* In Moby Dick, Moby is almost caught by Ahab twice, and just manages to elude
him. In both occasions, Ahab is convinced that Moby Dick is about to die.
Finally, there is a showdown between Moby Dick and Ahab which ends in Ahab
wounding Moby Dick and Ahab's death.
In Trek II, Kirk is almost caught by Khan twice, and just manages to elude
him. In both occasions, Khan is convinced that Kirk is about to die.
Finally, there is a showdown between Kirk and Khan which ends in Khan
wounding Kirk (by the death of Spock) and Khan's death.
* In Moby Dick, just before Ahab hurls his last harpoon at the whale (causing
the destruction of his own ship), Ahab says a little speech which is EXACTLY
copied (word for word) in Star Trek II by Khan (just before the destruction
of Khan's ship (the Reliant)) : "No... you can't get away", and then a
little later: "To the last I will grapple with thee... From hell's heart
I stab at thee... For hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee...". And then
Khan / Ahab dies.
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Jeremy Dodd
>Khan quotes the book "Moby Dick" twice in the movie. The first quote,
Speaking of quotes from Kahn, he quotes a "Klingon proverb" either to Kirk or
to his first officer regarding Kirk which says "Revenge is a dish that is
best served cold..."
How did Kahn know this Klingon proverb? Just curious... :)
-j
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>
> * In Moby Dick, Ahab responds to his crew's pleas to give up the chase by a
> little speech that is EXACTLY copied (word for word) in Star Trek II by Khan:
> "I'll chase him around the Norway Maelstrom and around perdition's flames
> before I give him up!".
>
other details that you have provided. This might be an exact quote from
Moby Dick, but it's final form is different in TWOK.
> * In Moby Dick, just before Ahab hurls his last harpoon at the whale (causing
> the destruction of his own ship), Ahab says a little speech which is EXACTLY
> copied (word for word) in Star Trek II by Khan (just before the destruction
> of Khan's ship (the Reliant)) : "No... you can't get away", and then a
> little later: "To the last I will grapple with thee... From hell's heart
> I stab at thee... For hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee...". And then
> Khan / Ahab dies.
>
This one was closeer but still, TWOK is a bit different. " No! No,
You can't get away. From Hell's Heart I stab at thee. For hate's sake I
spit my last breath at thee."
If this thread goes on much longer I might just be forced to post my
corresponding .wav file. :)
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-> Date: Sun, 9 Apr 1995 10:43:10 +0000
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-> Jeremy Dodd (ubi...@mcl.ucsb.edu) wrote:
-> >Speaking of quotes from Kahn, he quotes a "Klingon proverb" either to
-> >Kirk or to his first officer regarding Kirk which says "Revenge is a
-> >dish that is best served cold..."
-> >How did Kahn know this Klingon proverb? Just curious... :)
-> He must have read it in the ship's library when he was aboard the Enterprise
-> in 'Space Seed'. This is probably the same time he met Chekov! :)
-> Khan: "Excuse me, Ensign. Where is the ship's library? I wish to research
-> some Klingon proverbs."
-> Pavel: "On this corridor, at the aft of the wessel."
-> Khan: "Thank you Ensign Chekov. I will never forget your face..."
-> ;)
No no...Kahn met Chekov when he was desperate for the loo and Chekov
was in there a little longer than Kahn could hold out...! :)
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When Kahn say "He Tasks me And I shall have him... [Yadda, Yadda, Yadda]" Is
this an original phrase or is it from somewhere else.
I Task you to answer my question.
-kgalil
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Tom Power
>>How did Kahn know this Klingon proverb? Just curious... :)
>
>
>
> Pavel: "On this corridor, at the aft of the wessel."
>
Actually Walter Koenig, the actor that plays Chekov came
up with the reason why Khan knows Chekov. As everyone knows the
Enterprise has only one bathroom and Khan really really had to go,
after all you would need to relive yourself after 100+ years of sleeping.
Well, wouldn't you know it, there was this moron sitting on the can
and wasn't going anywhere anytime soon. Khan ends up messing his
pants when the door to the stall opens and Chekov exits with his
SpaceBoy magazine. Khan grabs him threatens him and swears he'll
never forget his face.
Tom
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I believe that it was actually...
"He tasks me, he tasks me and I shall have him. I will chase him.....etc etc"
it's Captain Ahab...the latter part which I didn't quote because I can't remember it
verbatim is not the original but was modified to show a spacefaring rather than
seafaring theme.
Martin
Dave Palmer
i think "he tasks me, & i shall have him..." is from moby dick as
well. i think it's quite appropriate of khan to compare william
shatner to a whale. =)
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BONNIE GRAAS
WG>> Kahn: But you. I never forget a face. Mister (pause) Chekov.
WG>>
WG>> I think Kahn's recognition of Chekov went something like that. I
WG>>watched ST:II a few weeks ago and still think it's great. There is j
WG>>one small problem with this scene. Chekov was not in "Space Seed".
WG> ^^^^^^ ^^^ ^^^ ^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^
WG>I Agree totally! This is one of the biggest flaws in the film. Checkov
WG>was added to the cast in the second season. If he wasn't on camera,
WG>he wasn't on the ship. It is conceivable that Checkov could recognize
WG>Kahn, having reviewed the ships logs. But Kahn should have had no know
WG>on Checkov.
This was brought to Walter Koenig's attention at a Star Trek convention so
years ago, and he has spoken about it in many interviews.
His explanation is that he, Checkov, was a minor crewman at the time of
Kahn's visit to the Enterprise (and since he was not scheduled to die in
the episode, which is usually when we get to see a minor crewman, he
simply wasn't showcased), and that he met Kahn in a private moment while
exiting a bathroom on the ship. Kahn had been beating on the door,
apparently suffering from a rampant case of intestinal distress and, felt
Checkov had not vacated in sufficient time for Kahn to relieve himself
properly.
Upon exiting the bathroom, a very angry Kahn grabbed him, held him aloft
and shouted. "That face, I will remember your face!"
It seems he did!
Remember, I heard this from Walter Koenig's own mouth. Any arguments with
it's content or validity should be forwarded to him.
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>
> Kahn: But you. I never forget a face. Mister (pause) Chekov.
>
> I think Kahn's recognition of Chekov went something like that. I
>watched ST:II a few weeks ago and still think it's great. There is just
>one small problem with this scene. Chekov was not in "Space Seed".
>Kahn never met the young Russian crewman. Of course, the character
>Chekov could have been around, off screen. But in screenwriting reality,
>if it isn't on the screen it doesn't exist (this doesn't include quotes
>from characters concerning events not seen. Duh.). This was a major
>point of debate between my friends and me when ST:II came out. The only
>possible, but weak, explanation we could come up with was that Kahn
>checked out the personal files after taking over the ship in "Space Seed"
>and that is where he came across Chekov. Any comments??
This comes straight (well, not straight, I read it in r.a.st.) from
Walther Koenig himself:
Remember how Kahn had a dinner with all the top brass in "Space Seed".
Well, that was a big mistake, since he had not eaten anything for
200 years. Inevitably, there was an infernal attack of diarrhea, and
only Kahn's superhuman powers kept him from showing anything before the
dinner was over. He then rushed to the nearest head, which was reserved
at the moment... and still reserved 5 minutes later... and 10 minutes
later... After 15 minutes, a lowly ensign named Chekov steps out. Khan,
eyes bulging (Koenig does a great Montalban imiation here): "You!...You!!!
I'll NEVER FORGET YOUR FACE!!!"
:) :) :)
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"He tasks me! He tasks me and I shall have him. I'll chase him round
the moons of Nebia, through the Antares Maelstom and to Perdition's Flames
before I'll give him up."
Willem Larsen
those kooks who "enjoyed" Stargate w/out worrying about the bad writing
and improbabilities, I think it's time we paid homage to the fact that
Science Fiction needs a few flaws to keep it human. Just like in MST3K's
theme song "If you wonder how they eat and breathe/and other science
facts/something something something/you really should just relax." Yeah
man! Yeah! BTW, please flame me to hell about how Stargate sucked, how I
got the theme song quote wrong, why SF needs to be 100% accurate, and
something else which I'm sure somebody can dig up just for me. :)
Willem
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: WG>I Agree totally! This is one of the biggest flaws in the film. Checkov
warbaby
> It's been a while since I've seen the film but here goes...
> When Kahn say "He Tasks me And I shall have him... [Yadda,
Yadda, Yadda]" Is
> this an original phrase or is it from somewhere else.
>
Keep an eye on this newgroup. This question has already been asked and
answered. I do not have the exact quote, but it orginates in 'Moby Dick'
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