Question about Aira Flight (FLIGHT by Vonna Bonta)
Hugo Rossi
very humble opinion, I think this is an absolutely great book. I have
tried to find people, communities, etc. on the internet that deal with
the philosophical concepts that are presented in the book.
In short, it seems there is nothing. Yes, there is a fan site
(http://members.aol.com/airaflight) , but that seems to have been abandoned
a while ago...
I find it very sad that there is no such community anywhere on the
net. Does anyone know why this is so? Or have I simply not looked in
the right place?
Hugo
Zurich/Switzerland
David Bilek
>I recently discovered the book "FLIGHT", written by Vanna Bonta.
...
<guffaw>
Oh man, I needed that!
Thanks for the chuckle.
-David
Lis Carey
news:p66qcvou7fp3n2je2...@4ax.com:
> "Hugo Rossi" <lights...@world-in-union.net> wrote:
>
>>I recently discovered the book "FLIGHT", written by V**** B****.
>
> ...
>
> <guffaw>
>
> Oh man, I needed that!
>
> Thanks for the chuckle.
David, I'm shocked; you forgot the dangers of quoting The Name in greppable
form.
--
Lis Carey
http://www.nesfa.org/reviews/Carey/index.html
Lis Carey
news:bajdjg$jm2$1...@pcls4.std.com:
> In article <Xns9383A65DBA6E5...@204.127.199.17>,
> Lis Carey <lisc...@attbi.com> wrote:
>>David Bilek <dbi...@attbi.com> wrote in
>>news:p66qcvou7fp3n2je2...@4ax.com:
>>
>>> "Hugo Rossi" <lights...@world-in-union.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I recently discovered the book "FLIGHT", written by V**** B****.
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>> <guffaw>
>>>
>>> Oh man, I needed that!
>>>
>>> Thanks for the chuckle.
>>
>>David, I'm shocked; you forgot the dangers of quoting The Name in
>>greppable form.
>
> [*]
>
>
Ask me sometime offline; I don't want to risk summoning something or other
from the vasty deep, or anyplace else.
Dorothy J Heydt
Paul Ciszek <pci...@TheWorld.com> wrote:
>In article <Xns9383A65DBA6E5...@204.127.199.17>,
>Lis Carey <lisc...@attbi.com> wrote:
>>news:p66qcvou7fp3n2je2...@4ax.com:
>>
>>> "Hugo Rossi" <lights...@world-in-union.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I recently discovered the book "FLIGHT", written by V**** B****.
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>> <guffaw>
>>>
>>> Oh man, I needed that!
>>>
>>> Thanks for the chuckle.
>>
>>David, I'm shocked; you forgot the dangers of quoting The Name in greppable
>>form.
>
There was a woman named V.B. who wrote a novel called F. It's
weird. Most people find it unreadable, with trains of thought
going nowhere. She and/or maybe a few friends invented zillions
of fake IDs and spammed many newsgroups praising the book and
trashing its detractors. Prudent people don't spell out her name
any more than they spell out Sc**nt*l*g* or g*n.
Dorothy J. Heydt
Albany, California
djh...@kithrup.com
http://www.kithrup.com/~djheydt
Kip Williams
> There was a woman named V.B. who wrote a novel called F. It's
> weird. Most people find it unreadable, with trains of thought
> going nowhere. She and/or maybe a few friends invented zillions
> of fake IDs and spammed many newsgroups praising the book and
> trashing its detractors. Prudent people don't spell out her name
> any more than they spell out Sc**nt*l*g* or g*n.
I fixed the header.
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travel for free!" "Cor!" "Hooray for Tommy!" --Tommy and his Trifle
David G. Bell
ki...@cox.net "Kip Williams" wrote:
> Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> > There was a woman named V.B. who wrote a novel called F. It's
> > weird. Most people find it unreadable, with trains of thought
> > going nowhere. She and/or maybe a few friends invented zillions
> > of fake IDs and spammed many newsgroups praising the book and
> > trashing its detractors. Prudent people don't spell out her name
> > any more than they spell out Sc**nt*l*g* or g*n.
>
> I fixed the header.
I've been doing some fiddling with my system this week, and some of the
file dates surprised me a little. I remember this business, and I have
a feeling that it was longer ago than we might think. Not a dead
threat, but not the undead creeping horror that some topics can be.
--
David G. Bell -- SF Fan, Filker, and Punslinger.
"History shows that the Singularity started when Tim Berners-Lee
was bitten by a radioactive spider."
Dorothy J Heydt
David G. Bell <db...@zhochaka.org.uk> wrote:
>On Thursday, in article <3ECD62E8...@cox.net>
> ki...@cox.net "Kip Williams" wrote:
>
>> Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> > There was a woman named V.B. who wrote a novel called F. It's
>> > weird. Most people find it unreadable, with trains of thought
>> > going nowhere. She and/or maybe a few friends invented zillions
>> > of fake IDs and spammed many newsgroups praising the book and
>> > trashing its detractors. Prudent people don't spell out her name
>> > any more than they spell out Sc**nt*l*g* or g*n.
>>
>> I fixed the header.
>
>I've been doing some fiddling with my system this week, and some of the
I did a little grepping of my files and found a file containing
some comments on the thing, dated June 22 2001. And that file
was made when somebody kindly explained the whole thing to me
after it was more or less over. So early 2001 maybe. Two years
can be a long time on the net, it is true. Does anyone know
whether She-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named is still around doing her
thing?
The file, which I am now skimming over, contains a sample of the
lady's prose.
"While they decided on a table that satellited the dance floor,
Sandra studied Mendle with sideways probes."
To which I can only reply, Don't quit your day job.
David G. Bell
djh...@kithrup.com "Dorothy J Heydt" wrote:
> In article <20030523.06...@zhochaka.demon.co.uk>,
> David G. Bell <db...@zhochaka.org.uk> wrote:
> >On Thursday, in article <3ECD62E8...@cox.net>
> > ki...@cox.net "Kip Williams" wrote:
> >
> >> Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> >> > There was a woman named V.B. who wrote a novel called F. It's
> >> > weird. Most people find it unreadable, with trains of thought
> >> > going nowhere. She and/or maybe a few friends invented zillions
> >> > of fake IDs and spammed many newsgroups praising the book and
> >> > trashing its detractors. Prudent people don't spell out her name
> >> > any more than they spell out Sc**nt*l*g* or g*n.
> >>
> >> I fixed the header.
> >
> >I've been doing some fiddling with my system this week, and some of the
>
> I did a little grepping of my files and found a file containing
> some comments on the thing, dated June 22 2001. And that file
> was made when somebody kindly explained the whole thing to me
> after it was more or less over. So early 2001 maybe. Two years
> can be a long time on the net, it is true. Does anyone know
> whether She-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named is still around doing her
> thing?
No idea if she's still around, but I imagine a Googlenews search on the
name and RASFF would soon fix the dates of the affair.
What I found was that some net-things I thought of as fairly recent had
apparently happened in 1997... It's possible that your estimate of the
interval between the affair and your file is a bit short, but you've
certainly put a limit on the dates.
[Departs to check Google]
Earliest article mentioning the name and the book is dated 15th January 1996
Google returns less than 40 references, though it does the usual filtering
of similar content to get down to that level. And the anti-grep habit will
push that figure down too. The last pre-2001 mention was by Mike Weber in
1998. The peak may have been the previous year, with some promotional
posting that referenced the Anaheim Worldcon.
Del Cotter
Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> said:
>> ki...@cox.net "Kip Williams" wrote:
>>> I fixed the header.
I don't know why you asterisked out the common word "Flight", but you
left in the uncommon phrase "Air* Flight". I've adjusted the header
accordingly.
>David G. Bell <db...@zhochaka.org.uk> wrote:
>>I've been doing some fiddling with my system this week, and some of the
>
>I did a little grepping of my files and found a file containing
>some comments on the thing, dated June 22 2001. And that file
>was made when somebody kindly explained the whole thing to me
>after it was more or less over. So early 2001 maybe. Two years
>can be a long time on the net, it is true.
The earliest appearance of Flight in a puff post in r.a.sf.fandom that I
know of is from 24 November 1995:
http://groups.google.com/
groups?selm=49554r%24cda%40newsbf02.news.aol.com
The puff posts went on for quite some time, but the first rasff poster
to comment on one seems to be Avedon Carol, an astonishing fourteen
months later, on 17 January 1997:
http://groups.google.com/
groups?selm=E460K6.Jq1%40cix.compulink.co.uk
...and the first proper V*nna B*nta megathread seems to have started
after a Flight puff post of 9 September 1997
http://groups.google.com/
groups?selm=19970910060001.CAA02233%40ladder02.news.aol.com
So the menace has been around for six or seven years now.
--
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Thanks to the recent increase in UBE, I will soon be ignoring email
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Alan Woodford
<d...@branta.demon.co.uk> wrote:
---snip---
>
>The earliest appearance of Flight in a puff post in r.a.sf.fandom that I
>know of is from 24 November 1995:
>
>http://groups.google.com/
> groups?selm=49554r%24cda%40newsbf02.news.aol.com
>
>The puff posts went on for quite some time, but the first rasff poster
>to comment on one seems to be Avedon Carol, an astonishing fourteen
>months later, on 17 January 1997:
>
>http://groups.google.com/
> groups?selm=E460K6.Jq1%40cix.compulink.co.uk
>
>...and the first proper V*nna B*nta megathread seems to have started
>after a Flight puff post of 9 September 1997
>
>http://groups.google.com/
> groups?selm=19970910060001.CAA02233%40ladder02.news.aol.com
>
>So the menace has been around for six or seven years now.
Eek. That means Fl* has been here a couple of weeks longer than I
have. The oldest post of mine Google can find is from early Dec '95.
Ah, those were the days. Windoze 3.1 on a 486DX2, with a 28k modem.
I know, I know, I'm just a young whippersnapper :-)
Alan Wooford - the man who can't even type his own name right!
Men in Frocks, protecting the Earth with Mystical Flummery!
Dave Weingart
>trashing its detractors. Prudent people don't spell out her name
>any more than they spell out Sc**nt*l*g* or g*n.
I don't *like* gin, but I don't go that far!
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Furthermore, this is in the FAQ.
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mike weber
Heydt) wrote:
>There was a woman named V.B. who wrote a novel called F. It's
>weird. Most people find it unreadable, with trains of thought
>going nowhere. She and/or maybe a few friends invented zillions
>of fake IDs and spammed many newsgroups praising the book and
>trashing its detractors. Prudent people don't spell out her name
>any more than they spell out Sc**nt*l*g* or g*n.
>
The saddest thing about the whole debacle was that one of the Firesign
Theatre guys was a huge booster of hers, apparently.
mike weber
("David G. Bell") wrote:
>The last pre-2001 mention was by Mike Weber in
>1998. The peak may have been the previous year, with some promotional
>posting that referenced the Anaheim Worldcon.
>
What did i say?
Kip Williams
I'd hate to have one of them mad at me.
--
--Kip (Williams) ...at members.cox.net/kipw
"When I go in-to the wood / I see the lit-tle bun-nies, eat-ing
por-ridge as they should. / Those clev-er lit-tle rab-bits!"
--Mother Goosery Rinds
Julian Warner
>
> mike weber wrote:
> > On Thu, 22 May 2003 23:07:13 GMT, djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
> > Heydt) wrote:
> >
> >>There was a woman named V.B. who wrote a novel called F. It's
> >>weird. Most people find it unreadable, with trains of thought
> >>going nowhere. She and/or maybe a few friends invented zillions
> >>of fake IDs and spammed many newsgroups praising the book and
> >>trashing its detractors. Prudent people don't spell out her name
> >>any more than they spell out Sc**nt*l*g* or g*n.
> >
> > The saddest thing about the whole debacle was that one of the Firesign
> > Theatre guys was a huge booster of hers, apparently.
>
> I'd hate to have one of them mad at me.
Yup. Those clowns can fight.
jw.
--
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YOUR round.
Kip Williams
I usually run away while they're pumping up their shoes.
Inspector J Lee
Kip Williams
> S*y wh*t?
>
> "Kip Williams" <ki...@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:3EF781B3...@cox.net...
> : Julian Warner wrote:
> : > K*p W*ll**ms wrote:
> : >
> : >>mike weber wrote:
> : >>
> : >>>On Thu, 22 May 2003 23:07:13 GMT, djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
> : >>>Heydt) wrote:
> : >>>
> : >>>
> : >>>>There was a woman named V.B. who wrote a novel called F. It's
> : >>>>weird. Most people find it unreadable, with trains of thought
> : >>>>going nowhere. She and/or maybe a few friends invented zillions
> : >>>>of fake IDs and spammed many newsgroups praising the book and
> : >>>>trashing its detractors. Prudent people don't spell out her name
> : >>>>any more than they spell out Sc**nt*l*g* or g*n.
> : >>>
> : >>>The saddest thing about the whole debacle was that one of the Firesign
> : >>>Theatre guys was a huge booster of hers, apparently.
> : >>
> : >>I'd hate to have one of them mad at me.
> : >
> : > Yup. Those clowns can fight.
> :
> : I usually run away while they're pumping up their shoes.
"Wh*t?" "Take the stand."
--
--Kip (Williams) ...at members.cox.net/kipw
"When I go in-to the wood / I see the lit-tle bun-nies, bot-tom
quo-ting as they should. / Those clev-er lit-tle rab-bits!" --Mother
Goosery Rinds