Tipping the maids
Nels E Satterlund
just asked me "How much of a tip should one leave at a hotel" so I went
to look for it and can't find the thread. ( also noted no RemarQ threads
on Deja news)
So what is a good rule of thumb (not after a room party, just every
day)?
Nels
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Replying to my own post as I noted the above and am wondering if I'll
get the same thing from my ISP's news server as I don't know if there is
any difference. The setup information from my ISP said
news.newsfeeds.com , and later information pointed me to
news.starstream.net. (a small cable company, with cable modem support!)
Nels E Satterlund
Kip Williams wrote:
>
> Nels E Satterlund wrote:
> >
> > Loren mentioned this thread and said it was a while ago, and my wife
> > just asked me "How much of a tip should one leave at a hotel" so I went
> > to look for it and can't find the thread. ( also noted no RemarQ threads
> > on Deja news)
> >
> > So what is a good rule of thumb (not after a room party, just every
> > day)?
>
> I usually leave the tip when I vacate the room. Something in the
> amount of a buck or so per day. Five bucks for three days, say.
>
> I remember being a maid at the Holiday Inn, getting paid crap for
> ever-increasing amounts of work. Getting a buck or so here and there
> made my day, as did rooms that were easy to clean.
Thanks
Now for the next question (again from my wife) if you tip 15% for
dinner, should the room tip be based on some % of the room cost.
~$1 a night for a $72 room is only ~1.4%, 5% would be ~ $4?
Comment please.
Loren MacGregor
>
> Loren mentioned this thread and said it was a while ago, and my wife
> just asked me "How much of a tip should one leave at a hotel" so I went
> to look for it and can't find the thread. ( also noted no RemarQ threads
> on Deja news)
>
> So what is a good rule of thumb (not after a room party, just every
> day)?
I generally use 10% of the daily cost of the room; I've heard
anywhere from 5 - 10%. But I would suspect that in many hotels, $5
would be gratefully accepted.
If you want to find the original threads, search in
rec.arts.sf.fandom or alt.fandom.cons (to which the messages were
cross-posted) under either "minibars" or "tipping maids" in about
mid-July, 1998.
-- LJM
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Nels E Satterlund
Loren MacGregor wrote:
>
> Nels E Satterlund wrote:
> >
> > Loren mentioned this thread and said it was a while ago, and my wife
> > just asked me "How much of a tip should one leave at a hotel" so I went
> > to look for it and can't find the thread. ( also noted no RemarQ threads
> > on Deja news)
> >
> > So what is a good rule of thumb (not after a room party, just every
> > day)?
>
> I generally use 10% of the daily cost of the room; I've heard
> anywhere from 5 - 10%. But I would suspect that in many hotels, $5
> would be gratefully accepted.
>
> If you want to find the original threads, search in
> rec.arts.sf.fandom or alt.fandom.cons (to which the messages were
> cross-posted) under either "minibars" or "tipping maids" in about
> mid-July, 1998.
Humm tipping maids is what I tried. I remembered reading it but not the
details.
Ok with the hint of minibars and using "minibar tip maid" I found it,
wonder why my first search didn't work.
Thanks Loren
Kip Williams
>
> Loren mentioned this thread and said it was a while ago, and my wife
> just asked me "How much of a tip should one leave at a hotel" so I went
> to look for it and can't find the thread. ( also noted no RemarQ threads
> on Deja news)
>
> So what is a good rule of thumb (not after a room party, just every
> day)?
I usually leave the tip when I vacate the room. Something in the
amount of a buck or so per day. Five bucks for three days, say.
I remember being a maid at the Holiday Inn, getting paid crap for
ever-increasing amounts of work. Getting a buck or so here and there
made my day, as did rooms that were easy to clean.
--
--Kip (Williams)
amusing the world at http://members.home.net/kipw/
Elisabeth Carey
>
> Loren mentioned this thread and said it was a while ago, and my wife
> just asked me "How much of a tip should one leave at a hotel" so I went
> to look for it and can't find the thread. ( also noted no RemarQ threads
> on Deja news)
>
> So what is a good rule of thumb (not after a room party, just every
> day)?
One dollar per person per day is a good rule of thumb, with extra, of
course, if there's anything extra for the maid to clean up or
overlook.
--
Lis Carey
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Elisabeth Carey
>
> Kip Williams wrote:
> >
> > Nels E Satterlund wrote:
> > >
> > > Loren mentioned this thread and said it was a while ago, and my wife
> > > just asked me "How much of a tip should one leave at a hotel" so I went
> > > to look for it and can't find the thread. ( also noted no RemarQ threads
> > > on Deja news)
> > >
> > > So what is a good rule of thumb (not after a room party, just every
> > > day)?
> >
> > amount of a buck or so per day. Five bucks for three days, say.
> >
> > I remember being a maid at the Holiday Inn, getting paid crap for
> > ever-increasing amounts of work. Getting a buck or so here and there
> > made my day, as did rooms that were easy to clean.
>
> Now for the next question (again from my wife) if you tip 15% for
> dinner, should the room tip be based on some % of the room cost.
>
> ~$1 a night for a $72 room is only ~1.4%, 5% would be ~ $4?
>
> Comment please.
The rules for one kind of tipping aren't necessarily related to the
rules for other kinds of tipping, and a dollar per person per night
for a hotel room is customary. It's not based on the cost of the
room--although in truth I think people staying in the Ritz Carlton and
such places must be tipping more than that. But you can rarely go
wrong by being _more_ generous. It's being less generous that causes
problems.
Elisabeth Carey
>
> Nels E Satterlund wrote:
> >
> > Loren mentioned this thread and said it was a while ago, and my wife
> > just asked me "How much of a tip should one leave at a hotel" so I went
> > to look for it and can't find the thread. ( also noted no RemarQ threads
> > on Deja news)
> >
> > So what is a good rule of thumb (not after a room party, just every
> > day)?
>
> anywhere from 5 - 10%. But I would suspect that in many hotels, $5
> would be gratefully accepted.
I've never encountered this suggestion. Is this my lack of experience
and training in Higher Etiquette? I suppose it is.
(And I contemplate the occasions on which I've had to instruct hotel
roommates that yes, we really _do_ have to leave "that much".)
Doug Wickstrom
<Ne...@Earthling.net> excited the ether to say:
>Loren mentioned this thread and said it was a while ago, and my wife
>just asked me "How much of a tip should one leave at a hotel" so I went
>to look for it and can't find the thread. ( also noted no RemarQ threads
>on Deja news)
>
>So what is a good rule of thumb (not after a room party, just every
>day)?
Well, I just tipped mine two dollars a day for three days, in
nice, crisp Thomas Jeffersons. The TJs are just something I do
that will be memorable (I like to use Ikes, Suzies, and JFKs for
the same purpose, but the Ikes are especially hard to find -- I
expect that Sacagawea will be easier, once they are available).
I don't wait until the last day -- you don't necessarily have the
same maid each day, especially if you are in the hotel over the
weekend. The weekday maid was quite surprised, and had to be
convinced that the money on the pillow really was intentional.
--
Doug Wickstrom
"We're working on getting rid of unnecesary regulations and making them more
sensible." --Bill Clinton
Kip Williams
>
> On Sun, 30 Jan 2000 20:02:52 -0800, Nels E Satterlund
> <Ne...@Earthling.net> excited the ether to say:
>
> >Loren mentioned this thread and said it was a while ago, and my wife
> >just asked me "How much of a tip should one leave at a hotel" so I went
> >to look for it and can't find the thread. ( also noted no RemarQ threads
> >on Deja news)
> >
> >So what is a good rule of thumb (not after a room party, just every
> >day)?
>
> Well, I just tipped mine two dollars a day for three days, in
> nice, crisp Thomas Jeffersons. The TJs are just something I do
> that will be memorable (I like to use Ikes, Suzies, and JFKs for
> the same purpose, but the Ikes are especially hard to find -- I
> expect that Sacagawea will be easier, once they are available).
> I don't wait until the last day -- you don't necessarily have the
> same maid each day, especially if you are in the hotel over the
> weekend. The weekday maid was quite surprised, and had to be
> convinced that the money on the pillow really was intentional.
Well, I know what you're saying about the same maid, but from my
days as a maid, I would never pick up a dollar in a room that was
still occupied, even if it was on the pillow. Only if accompanied by
a note would I think of it as anything but stealing from a customer.
Elisabeth Carey
An envelope on the nightstand, that says "For the maid", is usually
quite effective, and if the maid one day doesn't pick it up, it does
double duty as a reminder to add the next day's tip.
Evelyn C. Leeper
Doug Wickstrom <nims...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> Well, I just tipped mine two dollars a day for three days, in
> nice, crisp Thomas Jeffersons. The TJs are just something I do
> that will be memorable (I like to use Ikes, Suzies, and JFKs for
> the same purpose, but the Ikes are especially hard to find -- I
> expect that Sacagawea will be easier, once they are available).
I think the Ikes are all tied up in Nevada or something. I seem to
recall seeing slot machines that took them (Admittedly several years
ago), and since few people want to carry that much weight around in
their pocket, I suspect they get changed into something else before
people leave.
Atlantic City, on the other hand, has (or had) machines that take
Suzies.
I can't recall seeing JFKs anywhere recently.
--
Evelyn C. Leeper, http://www.geocities.com/evelynleeper
Don't ever save anything for a special occasion. Every day you're
alive is a special occasion. --Ann Wells
Loren MacGregor
>
> Loren MacGregor wrote:
> >
> > Nels E Satterlund wrote:
> > >
> > > just asked me "How much of a tip should one leave at a hotel" so I went
> > > to look for it and can't find the thread. ( also noted no RemarQ threads
> > > on Deja news)
> > >
> > > So what is a good rule of thumb (not after a room party, just every
> > > day)?
> >
> > anywhere from 5 - 10%. But I would suspect that in many hotels, $5
> > would be gratefully accepted.
>
> I've never encountered this suggestion. Is this my lack of experience
> and training in Higher Etiquette? I suppose it is.
>
> (And I contemplate the occasions on which I've had to instruct hotel
> roommates that yes, we really _do_ have to leave "that much".)
Keep in mind that I tip more heavily than many people, for my own
reasons.
I think that -any- amount is useful, and your "one dollar per person
per night" seems like a good rule to me.
My citation of "5% of the cost of the room" was from a woman who is
an "official hostess," and I tend to think of her comments on any
subject having to do with hotel etiquette as gospel, but I will be
happy to do some research if anyone is interested.
Again, the thought is what counts. I think it is very useful to
tell the maid service that what they do is valuable and useful, and
a gift of cash is one of the best ways to do so.
Loren MacGregor
>
> Well, I just tipped mine two dollars a day for three days, in
> nice, crisp Thomas Jeffersons. The TJs are just something I do
> that will be memorable (I like to use Ikes, Suzies, and JFKs for
> the same purpose, but the Ikes are especially hard to find -- I
> expect that Sacagawea will be easier, once they are available).
> same maid each day, especially if you are in the hotel over the
> weekend. The weekday maid was quite surprised, and had to be
> convinced that the money on the pillow really was intentional.
Yes. After wrestling with this disbelief for some number of times,
I finally started writing a message to the maid service, saying
essentially, "To the maid. Thank you for all your hard work!"
I have been toying with the idea of getting such a message
pre-printed on special card stock.
Doug Berry
flapped its wings, causing Nels E Satterlund
<Ne...@Earthling.net> to write:
>So what is a good rule of thumb (not after a room party, just every
>day)?
$1/day per person in the room. More if you've left a mess.
--
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Doug Berry
flapped its wings, causing Kip Williams <ki...@home.com> to write:
>I usually leave the tip when I vacate the room. Something in the
>amount of a buck or so per day. Five bucks for three days, say.
But different cleaning staff work different days, so I leave one
every day. After all, those tips might be what buys the
crewmember lunch.
Doug Berry
flapped its wings, causing Elisabeth Carey
<lis....@mediaone.net> to write:
>The rules for one kind of tipping aren't necessarily related to the
>rules for other kinds of tipping, and a dollar per person per night
>for a hotel room is customary. It's not based on the cost of the
>room--although in truth I think people staying in the Ritz Carlton and
>such places must be tipping more than that.
I wish. Working in the shuttle business I've found that the nicer
the hotel, the less likely the tip.
I've gotten $10 tips on a $30 fare from a family of three coming
out of rinky-dink hotels on the wharf when I was twenty minutes
late and had to make two more stops, and zero from a single
businessman coming out of the Fairmont going straight to the
airport.
Seems to me the richer people are, the less they appreciate how
much that dollar or two means to me.
>But you can rarely go wrong by being _more_ generous. It's being less
>generous that causes problems.
If you are a good guest, and go to the same hotel each year, the
staff will get to know you, and remember you. This can be helpful
if you suddenly have a need for some obscure item twenty minutes
before the masquerade, and the staff will let you into their
storeroom to "borrow" it.
Timothy A. McDaniel
I can and do get both $2 bills and half-dollar coins in bulk from my
credit union on two day's notice. (They call in coin orders to their
corresponding bank every morning, so there's one day, and receive all
their orders the next morning, so there's the second.)
However, I can't get state quarters *in particular*: I can only get
rolls of quarters with no guarantee as to what types of quarters are
in them. Similarly, I have my doubts as to whether I'll be able to
guarantee Sackybucks as opposed to SBAs.
--
Tim McDaniel is tm...@jump.net; if that fail,
tm...@us.ibm.com is my work account.
Nels E Satterlund
Doug Berry wrote:
>
> On Sun, 30 Jan 2000 20:02:52 -0800, a butterfly in Costa Rica
> flapped its wings, causing Nels E Satterlund
> <Ne...@Earthling.net> to write:
>
> >So what is a good rule of thumb (not after a room party, just every
> >day)?
>
> $1/day per person in the room. More if you've left a mess.
I'm a ghost visitor when I'm on my own. I keep every thing packed even
on multi-day stays (that way I KNOW I didn't leave something behind)
>
> --
>
> Douglas E. Berry +o0|0o+ grid...@mindspring.com
> http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/index.html
>
> This message (c) 2000 by Douglas E. Berry.
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Ok need a point of protocol here, with these new sig's, does one clip
them?
Nels
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Randy Smith
<lis....@mediaone.net> writes:
>The rules for one kind of tipping aren't necessarily related to the
>rules for other kinds of tipping, and a dollar per person per night
>for a hotel room is customary. It's not based on the cost of the
>room--although in truth I think people staying in the Ritz Carlton and
>such places must be tipping more than that. But you can rarely go
>wrong by being _more_ generous. It's being less generous that causes
>problems.
When I checked into one of the secondary hotels at ConAdian, a bellhop
took my luggage to my room. Not knowing the proper tip for a bellhop in
Winnipeg, I handed him three one-dollar Canadian bills and asked him if
that was sufficient. I was prepared to increase the amount if he felt that
I was cheating him. He handed one of my bills back to me.
--Randy Smith
RSmit...@aol.com or rand...@pacbell.net
--A Nebraskan Sojourning By The Bay
Evelyn C. Leeper
Randy Smith <rsmit...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> When I checked into one of the secondary hotels at ConAdian, a bellhop
> took my luggage to my room. Not knowing the proper tip for a bellhop in
> Winnipeg, I handed him three one-dollar Canadian bills and asked him if
> that was sufficient. I was prepared to increase the amount if he felt that
> I was cheating him. He handed one of my bills back to me.
Proof that you were in Canada. :-)
Noel Collyer
<Ne...@Earthling.net> writes
(snip)
>
>Humm tipping maids is what I tried. I remembered reading it but not the
>details.
>
>Ok with the hint of minibars and using "minibar tip maid" I found it,
>wonder why my first search didn't work.
>
the search problem.
Noel Collyer
Marilee J. Layman
<nims...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>On Sun, 30 Jan 2000 20:02:52 -0800, Nels E Satterlund
><Ne...@Earthling.net> excited the ether to say:
>
>>Loren mentioned this thread and said it was a while ago, and my wife
>>just asked me "How much of a tip should one leave at a hotel" so I went
>>to look for it and can't find the thread. ( also noted no RemarQ threads
>>on Deja news)
>>
>>So what is a good rule of thumb (not after a room party, just every
>>day)?
>
>Well, I just tipped mine two dollars a day for three days, in
>nice, crisp Thomas Jeffersons. The TJs are just something I do
>that will be memorable (I like to use Ikes, Suzies, and JFKs for
>the same purpose, but the Ikes are especially hard to find -- I
>expect that Sacagawea will be easier, once they are available).
>I don't wait until the last day -- you don't necessarily have the
>same maid each day, especially if you are in the hotel over the
>weekend. The weekday maid was quite surprised, and had to be
>convinced that the money on the pillow really was intentional.
I always write a note with the money, saying how I appreciate their
work. I tip every day, too, because you don't know who'll be the maid
on the last day.
--
Marilee J. Layman Co-Leader, The Other*Worlds*Cafe
relm...@aol.com A Science Fiction Discussion Group
Web site: http://www.webmoose.com/owc/
AOL keyword: BOOKs > Chats & Message > SF Forum > The Other*Worlds*Cafe
Loren Joseph MacGregor
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: Ok need a point of protocol here, with these new sig's, does one clip
: them?
I would think so. I'm not trying to protect the thread I'm involved in,
but only the original message in its entirety. Once the message has
propagated and is subject to quotation by people responding, it is no
longer my original message.
I am viewing this as a single state; I am claiming ownership, not
necessarily of all the words in the message, because I am of course
quoting others from time to time, but the specific assembly of quotation
and original comment that makes up a specific message to a specific
newsgroup. The person who follows my messages, likewise, does the same
should they so choose.
For example, if I insert a URL in the text of my message, that is part of
the "specific assembly of quotation and original comment" I have
provided; if someone else takes my original message as it arrives at
their server(s) and appends a URL to the -original text- -- or (as RemarQ
has done) uses a word or phrase within the text of my message and
provides an HTML-style link -- they are not presenting my message as I
created it, but altering it, without my permission.
Gad, but I run off at the mouth.
-- LJM
Kip Williams
> I think the Ikes are all tied up in Nevada or something. I seem to
> recall seeing slot machines that took them (Admittedly several years
> ago), and since few people want to carry that much weight around in
> their pocket, I suspect they get changed into something else before
> people leave.
>
> Atlantic City, on the other hand, has (or had) machines that take
> Suzies.
>
> I can't recall seeing JFKs anywhere recently.
Saw my first Sacajawea coin today. It looked okay to me, but for my
boss, it's still too small and hard to tell from a quarter. I wish I
could get a big pile of Ikes. When I worked for Chuck Rozanski, I
used to convert my measly paycheck into them... made it seem almost
substantial (we're talking 40 bucks a week for managing a store in
1976).
Mary Kay Kare
> The rules for one kind of tipping aren't necessarily related to the
> rules for other kinds of tipping, and a dollar per person per night
> for a hotel room is customary. It's not based on the cost of the
> room--although in truth I think people staying in the Ritz Carlton and
> such places must be tipping more than that. But you can rarely go
> wrong by being _more_ generous. It's being less generous that causes
> problems.
>
> --
I have also heard you should tip everyday rather than in a lump at the
end, as the same maid may not clean every day. Does anyone have any
relevant comment?
MK
--
Mary Kay Kare
Science Fiction Fandom: where people contradict you just to be polite.
dt king
>
> I was once told that the shifts sometimes change between
> weekdays and weekends so one should leave the tip accordingly.
> I would imagine this varies from place to place, though...
I tip well when I leave and let the maids fight out. Now, the tipping that
always confuses me is for drinks. The remaining coins seem too little, add
an extra buck seem a bit much.
dtk
Janice Gelb
>In article <389512D8...@mediaone.net>, Elisabeth Carey
><lis....@mediaone.net> wrote:
>
>> The rules for one kind of tipping aren't necessarily related to the
>> rules for other kinds of tipping, and a dollar per person per night
>> for a hotel room is customary. It's not based on the cost of the
>> room--although in truth I think people staying in the Ritz Carlton and
>> such places must be tipping more than that. But you can rarely go
>> wrong by being _more_ generous. It's being less generous that causes
>> problems.
>>
>end, as the same maid may not clean every day. Does anyone have any
>relevant comment?
>
I was once told that the shifts sometimes change between
weekdays and weekends so one should leave the tip accordingly.
I would imagine this varies from place to place, though...
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Elisabeth Carey
>
> In article <389512D8...@mediaone.net>, Elisabeth Carey
> <lis....@mediaone.net> wrote:
>
> > The rules for one kind of tipping aren't necessarily related to the
> > rules for other kinds of tipping, and a dollar per person per night
> > for a hotel room is customary. It's not based on the cost of the
> > room--although in truth I think people staying in the Ritz Carlton and
> > such places must be tipping more than that. But you can rarely go
> > wrong by being _more_ generous. It's being less generous that causes
> > problems.
> >
> I have also heard you should tip everyday rather than in a lump at the
> end, as the same maid may not clean every day. Does anyone have any
> relevant comment?
That's what I was taught to do--leave the tip every day, in an
envelope or with a note, clearly stating "for the maid." It doesn't
always get collected every day, but you can't control that, and in
that case I just add the next day's tip to what's already there.
--
Lis Carey
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and without alteration (Usenet, IMDB, Deja) is granted. Venues
Doug Berry
its wings, causing ele...@starship.dnrc.bell-labs.com (Evelyn C.
Leeper) to write:
>> I was cheating him. He handed one of my bills back to me.
>
>Proof that you were in Canada. :-)
Hey! I often deal with people who see my tip sign (Your Driver Is
DOUG Tiprs a re gratefully accepted) and asked my what would be
appropriate. I alsways tell the that a dollar person in the group
is the average, and I have handed back tips that wer
inappropriate, on either side of that word.
--
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Doug Berry
flapped its wings, causing "dt king" <dtk...@weblabs.com> to
write:
>I tip well when I leave and let the maids fight out. Now, the tipping that
>always confuses me is for drinks. The remaining coins seem too little, add
>an extra buck seem a bit much.
If you are at the bar, leave change and add a single or two when
you leave.
David Goldfarb
)Saw my first Sacajawea coin today. It looked okay to me, but for my
)boss, it's still too small and hard to tell from a quarter.
Those have started circulating? Cool. I'll have to look out for them.
Anyone know when the next state quarter comes out? It seems like
it's been long enough since the Connecticut quarter that we should
be gotting it soon.
--
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Arwel Parry
<gold...@OCF.Berkeley.EDU> writes
>In article <38960E5F...@home.com>, Kip Williams <ki...@home.com> wrote:
>)Saw my first Sacajawea coin today. It looked okay to me, but for my
>)boss, it's still too small and hard to tell from a quarter.
>
>Those have started circulating? Cool. I'll have to look out for them.
>
>Anyone know when the next state quarter comes out? It seems like
>it's been long enough since the Connecticut quarter that we should
>be gotting it soon.
You ought to subscribe to rec.collecting.coins, Dave - they talk about
little else on there, to the despair of those few of us who aren't
interested! Apparently the only place you can get Sacajawea $1's at the
moment is as change from Wal-Mart, who had a special deal with the Mint.
--
Arwel Parry
http://www.cartref.demon.co.uk/
Ulrika O'Brien
<rsmit...@aol.com>, explained :
> In article <389512D8...@mediaone.net>, Elisabeth Carey
> <lis....@mediaone.net> writes:
>
> >The rules for one kind of tipping aren't necessarily related to the
> >rules for other kinds of tipping, and a dollar per person per night
> >for a hotel room is customary. It's not based on the cost of the
> >room--although in truth I think people staying in the Ritz Carlton and
> >such places must be tipping more than that. But you can rarely go
> >wrong by being _more_ generous. It's being less generous that causes
> >problems.
>
> When I checked into one of the secondary hotels at ConAdian, a bellhop
> took my luggage to my room. Not knowing the proper tip for a bellhop in
> Winnipeg, I handed him three one-dollar Canadian bills and asked him if
> that was sufficient. I was prepared to increase the amount if he felt that
> I was cheating him. He handed one of my bills back to me.
Oh, that is *too* Canadian.
Was it on rasff that I got the "How do you find the Canadian
on the elevator" joke?
--
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the surest sign that the conspiracy is working.
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David Goldfarb
Arwel Parry <ar...@cartref.demon.co.uk> wrote:
)In article <876c64$i5g$1...@agate.berkeley.edu>, David Goldfarb
)<gold...@OCF.Berkeley.EDU> writes
)>Anyone know when the next state quarter comes out? It seems like
)>it's been long enough since the Connecticut quarter that we should
)>be gotting it soon.
)
)You ought to subscribe to rec.collecting.coins, Dave - they talk about
)little else on there, to the despair of those few of us who aren't
)interested!
Er, well, I'm not really *that* interested. Someone else emailed me
to say that the Massachusetts quarter is supposed to be out, but
he hasn't seen one either.
)Apparently the only place you can get Sacajawea $1's at the
)moment is as change from Wal-Mart, who had a special deal with the Mint.
That seems just somehow wrong.
Elisabeth Carey
>
> In article <SukCFQAW...@cartref.demon.co.uk>,
> Arwel Parry <ar...@cartref.demon.co.uk> wrote:
<snip>
> )Apparently the only place you can get Sacajawea $1's at the
> )moment is as change from Wal-Mart, who had a special deal with the Mint.
>
> That seems just somehow wrong.
After the failures of the Eisenhower dollar _and_ the Susan B. Anthony
dollar, the Mint wanted a Serious Marketing Force behind the
Sacajawea.
--
Lis Carey
(c)2000 by Elisabeth Carey. Permission to publish it in full
and without alteration (Usenet, IMDB, Deja) is granted. Venues
Doug Wickstrom <span onclick='return false;' onmousedown='location = "http" + unescape("%3A") + unescape("%2F") + unescape("%2F"
<lis....@mediaone.net> excited the ether to say:
>David Goldfarb wrote:
>>
>> In article <SukCFQAW...@cartref.demon.co.uk>,
>> Arwel Parry <ar...@cartref.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>> )Apparently the only place you can get Sacajawea $1's at the
>> )moment is as change from Wal-Mart, who had a special deal with the Mint.
>>
>> That seems just somehow wrong.
>
>After the failures of the Eisenhower dollar _and_ the Susan B. Anthony
>dollar, the Mint wanted a Serious Marketing Force behind the
>Sacajawea.
The Ike was hardly a failure. Debasing the coinage is what did
it in. There's no point to making your dollar twice as heavy as
your half-dollar, or four times as heavy as your quarter-dollar,
if the metal it is made of is worthless.
"Free coinage of silver," takes on a somewhat different meaning,
today, when all of the coinage is worthless, and the notes are
fiat money. You shall not press down upon the brow of labor this
crown of thorns, you shall not crucify mankind upon a cross of
paper.
--
Doug Wickstrom
"We are all of us rooting for truffles, but some of us are hissssing at an...@world.std.com
the stars." --Ray Radlein
Doug Wickstrom
<nims...@worldnet.att.net> excited the ether to say:
>"We are all of us rooting for truffles, but some of us are hissssing at an...@world.std.com
>the stars." --Ray Radlein
Ack! Sorry about that, Ailsa.
Doug Wickstrom
Aaaaaaack!
--
Doug Wickstrom
"Professor Goddard does not know the relation between action and reaction
and the need to have something better than a vacuum against which to react.
He seems to lack the basic knowledge ladled out daily in high schools."
--New York Times editorial
Ailsa N Murphy
Doug Wickstrom <nims...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>On Wed, 02 Feb 2000 16:37:04 GMT, Doug Wickstrom
><nims...@worldnet.att.net> excited the ether to say:
>
>>"We are all of us rooting for truffles, but some of us are hissssing at an...@world.std.com
>>the stars." --Ray Radlein
>
>Ack! Sorry about that, Ailsa.
>
>"We are all of us rooting for truffles, but some of us are hissssing at an...@world.std.com
>the stars." --Ray Radlein
>
your posts?
-Ailsa
--
--
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but some of us are hissssing at an...@world.std.com
the stars. - Ray Radlein
David G. Bell
lis....@mediaone.net "Elisabeth Carey" wrote:
> David Goldfarb wrote:
> >
> > In article <SukCFQAW...@cartref.demon.co.uk>,
> > Arwel Parry <ar...@cartref.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> > )Apparently the only place you can get Sacajawea $1's at the
> > )moment is as change from Wal-Mart, who had a special deal with the Mint.
> >
> > That seems just somehow wrong.
>
> After the failures of the Eisenhower dollar _and_ the Susan B. Anthony
> dollar, the Mint wanted a Serious Marketing Force behind the
> Sacajawea.
It seems weird to think that money needs _marketing_.
It does sort of make sense to get a major retailing chain involved, and
set up to use the new coin, just on the logistics of getting the stuff
into circulation.
But, well, it's the Mint. They're the people who say what is money, and
what it looks like...
--
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da...@cybercom.net
: In article <8744i5$s...@nntpa.cb.lucent.com>,: >I can't recall seeing JFKs anywhere recently.
: I can and do get both $2 bills and half-dollar coins in bulk from my
: credit union on two day's notice. (They call in coin orders to their
: corresponding bank every morning, so there's one day, and receive all
: their orders the next morning, so there's the second.)
: However, I can't get state quarters *in particular*: I can only get
: rolls of quarters with no guarantee as to what types of quarters are
: in them. Similarly, I have my doubts as to whether I'll be able to
: guarantee Sackybucks as opposed to SBAs.
: --
: Tim McDaniel is tm...@jump.net; if that fail,
: tm...@us.ibm.com is my work account.
You can order (for a surcharge, of course) the current minting
of the state quarter from www.usmint.gov in bags of $25 and $250 value.
You have to pay surcharges on it. If you want them at face value, you
have to get them from your bank and take your chances. Currently, the
only quarter they have in stock is the Massachusetts quarter. This is
also your best shot to get a chance at a mis-struck quarter, as they
are still sealed in the US mint cloth bags.
The new golden dollars can be ordered under similar conditions,
or you can go to a SAMs club or WalMart, which had signs up saying that
they would be available there, I belive that the avalability date was
yesterday.
--Dale
Colette Reap
>Lot of vending machines were built capable of handling the Susan that
>are still out there.
>
>Last time i put a five into a vending machine at the Post Office for
>two+ dollars' worth of stamps, i got three Susans as part of my
>change.
>
>The real resistance to a dollar coin, though, as with ther Susan, is
>merchants, who will basically need new tills for every cash drawer in
>the country, since they don't have cups for the dollar coin.
When I lived in Germany in the early '80s, I was friends with an
American lady, and occasionally we would go onto the local USAF base
(Frankfurt) to visit the cinema or the PX. If the change for your
purchase was more than a dollar, you would invariably get Susans. The
(supposed) explanation for this was that it forced the base personnel
to spend more of their money on the base, because while German
businesses in the vicinity would take dollar notes, they wouldn't take
coins.
--
Colette
Elisabeth Carey
>
> Elisabeth Carey wrote:
<snip>
> > The Sacajawea, being gold in color, is easy to distinguish from the
> > quarter visually, and it's smooth-edged, unlike the quarter, and easy
> > to distinguish from it by feel, too.
>
> By feel, I suspect it may be confused with a nickel. I'm going to
> have to see about acquiring one of these, they look attractive.
> I think it was a mistake to have it the same size and weight as
> a Susan B though.
My mother gave me one last Saturday, and I dropped it into a pocketful
of quarters, nickels, and dimes--and successfully picked out the
dollar by feel alone, seven times out of seven, over the course of
Saturday and Sunday.
Doug Wickstrom
weber) excited the ether to say:
>Elisabeth Carey <lis....@mediaone.net> is alleged to have said, on
>Thu, 03 Feb 2000 01:42:01 GMT,
>:
>>Doug Wickstrom wrote:
>>>
>
>>>
>>> The Ike was hardly a failure. Debasing the coinage is what did
>>> it in. There's no point to making your dollar twice as heavy as
>>> your half-dollar, or four times as heavy as your quarter-dollar,
>>> if the metal it is made of is worthless.
>>
>>The Ike was a failure, even more complete than the Susan B. People
>>wouldn't carry them around, and their objections were not
>>philosophical, or economical; they were practical. The thing was too
>>blasted large and heavy to make an attractive alternative to the paper
>>dollar.
>>
>One would think the same would have been true of the one-pound coin.
Or, for that matter, the old 50P or the new 500Y.
It ain't the size. It's the not having a tray in the cash
register, and not being accepted in vending machines.
Get rid of the $1 note, and you'll see the dollar coin, of
whatever size, readily accepted.
--
Doug Wickstrom
"Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that
it has to be us." -- Jerry Garcia
Doug Wickstrom
<col...@lspace.org> excited the ether to say:
The real explanation was that the government shipped large
quantities of Suzies overseas, and was not keen on shipping new
$1 notes. IOW, there wasn't much choice. The things were
plentiful on US bases in the UK during the '70s, and on Okinawa
in the '80s. Remember, the _intent_ was to replace the $1 note
with the coin, and use the $2 note as the smallest paper
denomination.
--
Doug Wickstrom
"The thirst that from the soul doth rise doth ask a drink divine;
But might I of Jove's nectar sup I would not change for thine."
--Ben Jonson, "Song to Celia" 1616
Doug Wickstrom
the ether to say:
>In article <3898DC72...@mediaone.net>,
>Elisabeth Carey <lis....@mediaone.net> wrote:
>>The Ike was a failure, even more complete than the Susan B. People
>>wouldn't carry them around, and their objections were not philosophical,
>>or economical; they were practical. The thing was too blasted large and
>>heavy to make an attractive alternative to the paper dollar.
>
>Guess things changed since 1928/1935 when the last true silver dollars
>were minted (they stopped in 1928, they were minted for two more years
>in 1934/5), as they were easily as large and heavy as the Eisenhowers.
>Perhaps it was just that people were more accepting of paper money by
>1971. Of course, given inflation and seignorage (sp?), most non-US
>countries long ago adopted coins worth a US dollar or more and eliminated
>the equivalent bills. Largest coin-only denomination I'm familiar with
>is the Swiss 5 Swiss franc coin, usually worth about US$3.
Japanese 500 Yen, worth about US $4.
--
Doug Wickstrom
Gentlemen do not wear flippers with a sombrero.
Kip Williams
> Elisabeth Carey wrote:
> > The Sacajawea, being gold in color, is easy to distinguish from the
> > quarter visually, and it's smooth-edged, unlike the quarter, and easy
> > to distinguish from it by feel, too.
> By feel, I suspect it may be confused with a nickel. I'm going to
> have to see about acquiring one of these, they look attractive.
> I think it was a mistake to have it the same size and weight as
> a Susan B though.
It's larger than a quarter, by about the size of the raised edge. I
could as easily imagine someone confusing it with a penny as with a
nickel. (Why, in my day, a nickel was the size of a manhole cover,
and you could buy a candy bar as big as a cinder block with it...)
Andrew Plotkin
> Elisabeth Carey wrote:
>
>> The Sacajawea, being gold in color, is easy to distinguish from the
>> quarter visually, and it's smooth-edged, unlike the quarter, and easy
>> to distinguish from it by feel, too.
>
> By feel, I suspect it may be confused with a nickel. I'm going to
> have to see about acquiring one of these, they look attractive.
> I think it was a mistake to have it the same size and weight as
> a Susan B though.
Hrm. It would also have been a mistake *not* to, given all the
machines out there which know SBAs by size and weight. (Post Office
vending machines and DC Metro fare machines, for a start.)
I have no idea yet which is the bigger mistake. I've seen one of the
things, and I agree that the gold tint is pretty subtle -- but I didn't
have a chance to mix it in with a pile of quarters and really test.
--Z
"And Aholibamah bare Jeush, and Jaalam, and Korah: these were the
borogoves..."
Janice Gelb
>
>It ain't the size. It's the not having a tray in the cash
>register, and not being accepted in vending machines.
>
>Get rid of the $1 note, and you'll see the dollar coin, of
>whatever size, readily accepted.
>
It does take a bit of mental readjustment, though. When I
was in Australia, every once in a while I'd have to remember
to clear out the coin part of my wallet - I kept getting
$1 and $2 coins in change and forgetting they weren't really
small change so I'd keep giving bills $5 and higher until
I did a coin check.
(Of course, I eventually adjusted so well that when I got
back the bag I'd left in Melbourne at the start of the
five-week trip and opened up the place where I'd stashed
my American money, the bills looked really weird to me!)
mike weber
Feb 2000 10:33:25 +0000,
>When I lived in Germany in the early '80s, I was friends with an
>American lady, and occasionally we would go onto the local USAF base
>(Frankfurt) to visit the cinema or the PX. If the change for your
>purchase was more than a dollar, you would invariably get Susans. The
>(supposed) explanation for this was that it forced the base personnel
>to spend more of their money on the base, because while German
>businesses in the vicinity would take dollar notes, they wouldn't take
>coins.
>
Back when the military paid in cash, up through when most people
cashed their paychecks and lived on a cash economy for the most part,
and military payscales were ridiculously low, even compared to the
pre-inflation salaries in the civilina sector, the military had a
trick it would pull whenever some jerkwater town got snarky about
nearby military bases (fights with civilians/soldiers are
troublemakers/sailors harass civilian women and girls/airmen are
boring/whatever):
They'd stock the paymaster's office with two dollar bills. If you got
$47 this week, you got 23 deuces and a one.
After a few days, they'd round up the Mayor, Chief of Police, or
whoever else was making noises, and do a little survey of merchants'
tills in town.
Generally people got the point after the fourth or fifth store with
most of the money in the drawer in deuces.
--
"Life's a game where they're bound to beat you, and time's a
trick they can turn to cheat you -- and we only waste it
anyway, that's the hell of it..." -- Paul Williams
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Julie Stampnitzky
> Of course, given inflation and seignorage (sp?), most non-US
> countries long ago adopted coins worth a US dollar or more and eliminated
> the equivalent bills. Largest coin-only denomination I'm familiar with
> is the Swiss 5 Swiss franc coin, usually worth about US$3.
Israel has had 1-shekel and 5-shekel coins (silver-colored) for a long
time. In 1995 they switched from 10-shekel bills to coins as well. It was
worth $3.30 then IIRC, now the exchange rate is more like $2.50. It's a
little smaller than a quarter. It's bicolor, a goldish center inside a
silver outer ring, and it's the only Israeli coin with milled edges. The
5-shekel is the same diameter as a quarter, but thicker, and it's actually
a 12-sided polygon with the corners somewhat rounded. (At least I think
so. Maybe the newly-minted ones have sharper corners.) The shekel is
about the size of a dime but thicker. The coins worth less than a shekel
are gold-colored. The .01 hasn't been used for about 20 years, and the .05
is currently being phased out in practice- lots of stores will just round
to the nearest .10 shekel. None of the coins have "heads" and "tails"- one
side has a picture of an object and the other side has the number. The
picture is usually based on a coin from antiquity- in the Israel Museum I
noticed a coin with the same picture (a date palm) as the 10-shekel coin.
This is probably more than anyone wanted to know. Anyhow, I find it
convenient to have coins in these denominations, and it's a nice
delineation between a minor purchase and a major one (which requires
bills).
--
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Rehovot, Israel | words?"
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Jo Walton
ju...@yucs.org "Julie Stampnitzky" writes:
None of the coins have "heads" and "tails"- one
> side has a picture of an object and the other side has the number. The
> picture is usually based on a coin from antiquity- in the Israel Museum I
> noticed a coin with the same picture (a date palm) as the 10-shekel coin.
The "portcullis" on the British penny can be found on some Roman coins.
I don't think it's been continuously used, but it's on some medieval
ones as well.
--
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Elisabeth Carey
>
> In article <38996931...@mediaone.net>,
> Elisabeth Carey <lis....@mediaone.net> wrote:
> >
> >My mother gave me one last Saturday, and I dropped it into a pocketful
> >of quarters, nickels, and dimes--and successfully picked out the
> >dollar by feel alone, seven times out of seven, over the course of
> >Saturday and Sunday.
>
> buy newstand or junk food items with dollar and two-dollar coins. In
> order for a dollar coin to fly in the US though, it will have to be
> accepted by vending machines. Otherwise, I can imagine the situation in
> your typical employee lunch room: "Can anyone trade me a real dollar
> for this @#$%&! thing?" Does anyone know if the vending machines in
> post offices, which dispense SBAs as change, will take them as payment?
> And those machines that do take SBAs, like the fare boxes ont he Green
> Line of the MBTA, will they choke on the Sacajawea?
I don't know for sure that the post office machines take SBAs, but the
Sacagewea is the same size and weight as the SBA, precisely so that it
_will_ be compatible with machines that take the SBA. The Mint is
trying really, really hard not to make new mistakes, while they're
fixing the old ones.
--
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Samuel Paik
> I don't know for sure that the post office machines take SBAs, but the
> Sacagewea is the same size and weight as the SBA, precisely so that it
> _will_ be compatible with machines that take the SBA. The Mint is
> trying really, really hard not to make new mistakes, while they're
> fixing the old ones.
The size (and possibly the weight?) was mandated by law.
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Randy Smith
Goldfarb) writes:
>In article <SukCFQAW...@cartref.demon.co.uk>,
>Arwel Parry <ar...@cartref.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>)Apparently the only place you can get Sacajawea $1's at the
>)moment is as change from Wal-Mart, who had a special deal with the Mint.
>
>That seems just somehow wrong.
I agree. The mint making a special arrangement with a major
corporation could set a troubling precedent. Will the IRS be the next
government agency to start making special deals with large companies?
A coin dealer in Oakland told me this morning that the Sacajaweas would
be available from banks starting next Wednesday. He had one to show me.
I looked great.
--Randy Smith
RSmit...@aol.com or rand...@pacbell.net
--A Nebraskan Sojourning By The Bay
Doug Wickstrom
excited the ether to say:
>Elisabeth Carey wrote:
>> I don't know for sure that the post office machines take SBAs, but the
>> Sacagewea is the same size and weight as the SBA, precisely so that it
>> _will_ be compatible with machines that take the SBA. The Mint is
>> trying really, really hard not to make new mistakes, while they're
>> fixing the old ones.
>
>The size (and possibly the weight?) was mandated by law.
No kidding? Do you suppose this might have something to do with
it?: "To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign
coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures;" (US
Constitution, Art I, Sec 8).
--
Doug Wickstrom
"Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when
the government's purposes are beneficent. Men born to freedom are naturally
alert to repel invasion of their liberty by evil-minded rulers. The greatest
dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning
but without understanding." --Justice Louis Brandeis
mike weber
2000 07:28:20 GMT,
:
>A coin dealer in Oakland told me this morning that the Sacajaweas would
>be available from banks starting next Wednesday. He had one to show me.
>I looked great.
>
I'm glad for you.
How did the coin look?
--
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==========================================================
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something that will always be useful and which never will
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Doug Wickstrom
excited the ether to say:
>A coin dealer in Oakland told me this morning that the Sacajaweas would
>be available from banks starting next Wednesday. He had one to show me.
>I looked great.
I gotta get me some 'o them appearance-enhancing coins.
--
Doug Wickstrom
"The police are not here to create disorder. They are here to preserve
disorder." --Richard Daley
Samuel Paik
>
> No kidding? Do you suppose this might have something to do with
> it?: "To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign
> coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures;" (US
> Constitution, Art I, Sec 8).
There is nothing in the Constitution which requires Congress to decide
on the precise size and weight of the Sac--they could have left it to
the U.S. Mint. I'm fairly certain that the latter phrase, "fix the
standard of weights and measures" is the reason for NIST's existence
and is essentially unrelated to coinage today.
Sam
Rachael Lininger
Doug Wickstrom <nims...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>On 04 Feb 2000 07:28:20 GMT, rsmit...@aol.com (Randy Smith)
>
>>be available from banks starting next Wednesday. He had one to show me.
>>I looked great.
>
>I gotta get me some 'o them appearance-enhancing coins.
Why?
Rachael
--
Rachael Lininger | "Ah, why should anyone be anxious for walls and a roof
rachael@ | When you have such hospitable pigeon-holes?"
dd-b.com | --Thomas Mendip
Thomas Womack
> One would think the same would have been true of the one-pound coin.
> As the tour group that I went to England in 1990 said in its "Useful
> Info" pamphlet under the "Money" section:
>
> "Coins:
> Are large and will wear out your pockets quickly."
That's something that we noticed and fixed, in fact; over the last decade
(maybe decade-and-a-bit) most of the British coins were redesigned smaller.
One-pound and two-pound coins are still sensibly chunky, but the 50p piece
has shrunk significantly (it used to be about the size of a two-pound coin),
the 5p shrunk to the size of an old half-penny and the 10p to the size of
the old 5p. The penny and tuppence are still the same size; I'm probably as
young a person as remembers the half-penny.
Tom
Janice Gelb
>
>A coin dealer in Oakland told me this morning that the Sacajaweas would
>be available from banks starting next Wednesday. He had one to show me.
>I looked great.
>
You always look great, kiddo!
David Owen-Cruise
<tECm4.387$si3....@news.uswest.net>:
>In article <hq3l9ssfpnqa4eaeg...@4ax.com>,
>Doug Wickstrom <nims...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>>On 04 Feb 2000 07:28:20 GMT, rsmit...@aol.com (Randy Smith)
>>excited the ether to say:
>>
>>>A coin dealer in Oakland told me this morning that the Sacajaweas would
>>>be available from banks starting next Wednesday. He had one to show me.
>>>I looked great.
>>
>>I gotta get me some 'o them appearance-enhancing coins.
>
>Why?
>
So more women will learn what it's like to flirt with Kevlar.
--
David Owen-Cruise
"Letters are things, not pictures of things."
Eric Gill
Mike Scott
<t...@tom-womack.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>That's something that we noticed and fixed, in fact; over the last decade
>(maybe decade-and-a-bit) most of the British coins were redesigned smaller.
>One-pound and two-pound coins are still sensibly chunky, but the 50p piece
>has shrunk significantly (it used to be about the size of a two-pound coin),
>the 5p shrunk to the size of an old half-penny and the 10p to the size of
>the old 5p. The penny and tuppence are still the same size; I'm probably as
>young a person as remembers the half-penny.
Why do I have this horrible feeling that you mean the decimal halfpenny,
not the real one that was eliminated in 1971? You really shouldn't do
that kind of thing to your elders.
--
Mike Scott
mi...@plokta.com
Rich McAllister K6RFM
> The real resistance to a dollar coin, though, as with ther Susan, is
> merchants, who will basically need new tills for every cash drawer in
> the country, since they don't have cups for the dollar coin.
Sure they do. It was put there for halves, but nobody uses those
either. But everybody is now used to having that "extra" cup to
hold extra rolls of coins, paperclips, rubberbands etc.
I believe the only way to make the dollar coin successful is
for Congress to develop a spine and stop new bills from
being printed. While they're at it they should eliminate
the penny (and for that matter, the nickel.) I'm not holding
my breath, though.
Rich
Rich McAllister K6RFM
> As the tour group that i went to England in 1990 said in its "Useful
> Info" pamphlet under the "Money" section:
>
> "Coins:
> Are large and will wear out your pockets quickly."
>
That extra weight in your pocket is simply a reminder that it's
time to stop for a pint.
Rich
Russell Lankenau
Maybe I misremembered.
"Julie Stampnitzky" <ju...@yucs.org> wrote in message
news:Pine.LNX.4.10.100020...@yucs.org...
> On 3 Feb 2000, Tom Galloway wrote:
>
> > Of course, given inflation and seignorage (sp?), most non-US
> > countries long ago adopted coins worth a US dollar or more and
eliminated
> > the equivalent bills. Largest coin-only denomination I'm familiar with
> > is the Swiss 5 Swiss franc coin, usually worth about US$3.
>
> Israel has had 1-shekel and 5-shekel coins (silver-colored) for a long
> time. In 1995 they switched from 10-shekel bills to coins as well. It was
> worth $3.30 then IIRC, now the exchange rate is more like $2.50. It's a
> little smaller than a quarter. It's bicolor, a goldish center inside a
> silver outer ring, and it's the only Israeli coin with milled edges. The
> 5-shekel is the same diameter as a quarter, but thicker, and it's actually
> a 12-sided polygon with the corners somewhat rounded. (At least I think
> so. Maybe the newly-minted ones have sharper corners.) The shekel is
> about the size of a dime but thicker. The coins worth less than a shekel
> are gold-colored. The .01 hasn't been used for about 20 years, and the .05
> is currently being phased out in practice- lots of stores will just round
> side has a picture of an object and the other side has the number. The
> picture is usually based on a coin from antiquity- in the Israel Museum I
> noticed a coin with the same picture (a date palm) as the 10-shekel coin.
Samuel Paik
> "To coin money, regulate the value thereof," means specifically
> to determine the type and amount of metal used. There may be
> variations in the diameter and thickness, but Congress had to
> specify the weight and material.
I took a look: Congress specifically did not specify the weight
for the Sac--they struck the part of the sentence of the US Code
which specified that the dollar coin have a particular weight
(of 8.1 gm). They also did not specify the metal content of the
Sac specifically, just that it "have similar metallic,
anti-counterfeiting properties as United States coinage in
circulation on the date of enactment of the United States
$1 Coin Act of 1997". This is in contrast to the other coins
which are specified moderately precisely.
So I was incorrect--Congress did not specify the weight of
the dollar coin, the Mint chose to make the weight the sazme
as the Susan B. But Congress did specify the size (or rather,
didn't change the size as previously specified for the Susan Bs)
Public Law 105-124 (NARA)
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=105_cong_public_laws&docid=f:publ124.105
Index of enacted Public Laws (for the 104-106 Congress)
http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/nara005.html
U.S. Code (Office of the Law Revision Counsel)
http://uscode.house.gov/
Doug Wickstrom
excited the ether to say:
>Doug Wickstrom wrote:
>> "To coin money, regulate the value thereof," means specifically
>> to determine the type and amount of metal used. There may be
>> variations in the diameter and thickness, but Congress had to
>> specify the weight and material.
>
>I took a look: Congress specifically did not specify the weight
>for the Sac--they struck the part of the sentence of the US Code
>which specified that the dollar coin have a particular weight
>(of 8.1 gm). They also did not specify the metal content of the
>Sac specifically, just that it "have similar metallic,
>anti-counterfeiting properties as United States coinage in
>circulation on the date of enactment of the United States
>$1 Coin Act of 1997". This is in contrast to the other coins
>which are specified moderately precisely.
>
>So I was incorrect--Congress did not specify the weight of
>the dollar coin, the Mint chose to make the weight the sazme
>as the Susan B. But Congress did specify the size (or rather,
>didn't change the size as previously specified for the Susan Bs)
They actually _deleted_ the requirement that a coin be made of a
particular material of a particular weight? A feller who really
wanted to be a pain in the rear could maybe look into having the
Supreme Court rule on the constitutionality of that little
change, particularly in light of Article 1, Section 10: "No
state shall ... make anything but gold and silver coin a tender
in payment of debts....
--
Doug Wickstrom
"Honto no ii katana wa saya ni haiteiru." --Tsubaki Sanjuro
Samuel Paik
> They actually _deleted_ the requirement that a coin be made of a
> particular material of a particular weight?
Yes, but only for the dollar coin--the rest still have the metal content
and weight specified (except for the penny whose composition was
specified but the Secretary of the Treasury was allowed to vary
it "to ensure an adequate supply of one-cent coins to meet the needs
of the United States."
> A feller who really
> wanted to be a pain in the rear could maybe look into having the
> Supreme Court rule on the constitutionality of that little
> change, particularly in light of Article 1, Section 10: "No
> state shall ... make anything but gold and silver coin a tender
> in payment of debts....
I don't see how this is relevent to the dollar coin. Section 10
has to do with powers specifically denied to the States.
Alan Woodford
wrote:
What you said.
Kids today, probably think ship ha'pennies were used as ballast or
something.
Farthings, now they were before my time.
Alan "Where's me bus pass?" Woodford
Men in Frocks, protecting the Earth with mystical flummery!
mike weber
Feb 2000 14:16:46 -0800,
:
>kras...@mindspring.com (mike weber) writes:
>
>> The real resistance to a dollar coin, though, as with ther Susan, is
>> merchants, who will basically need new tills for every cash drawer in
>> the country, since they don't have cups for the dollar coin.
>
>Sure they do. It was put there for halves, but nobody uses those
>either. But everybody is now used to having that "extra" cup to
>hold extra rolls of coins, paperclips, rubberbands etc.
However, the half does turn up occasionally; it is technically legally
still in circulation.
>
>I believe the only way to make the dollar coin successful is
>for Congress to develop a spine and stop new bills from
>being printed. While they're at it they should eliminate
>the penny (and for that matter, the nickel.) I'm not holding
>my breath, though.
Why stop with the nickel? About the only thing i've used a dime for
recently was a 35-cent payphone call, and penny gumballs cost a
quarter.
mike weber
Sat, 05 Feb 2000 06:33:06 GMT,
:
>
>Farthings, now they were before my time.
>
Newspapers Over Here carried a story on the elimination of the
farthing; i remember reading it.
Doug Wickstrom
Lininger) excited the ether to say:
>In article <hq3l9ssfpnqa4eaeg...@4ax.com>,
>Doug Wickstrom <nims...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>>On 04 Feb 2000 07:28:20 GMT, rsmit...@aol.com (Randy Smith)
>>excited the ether to say:
>>
>>>A coin dealer in Oakland told me this morning that the Sacajaweas would
>>>be available from banks starting next Wednesday. He had one to show me.
>>>I looked great.
>>
>>I gotta get me some 'o them appearance-enhancing coins.
>
>Why?
My cats like to disappear.
--
Doug Wickstrom
"I'm worried that the universe will soon need replacing. It's not holding a
charge." --Edward Chilton
Doug Wickstrom
excited the ether to say:
>rac...@gw.dd-b.net (Rachael Lininger) wrote in
><tECm4.387$si3....@news.uswest.net>:
>
>>In article <hq3l9ssfpnqa4eaeg...@4ax.com>,
>>Doug Wickstrom <nims...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>>>On 04 Feb 2000 07:28:20 GMT, rsmit...@aol.com (Randy Smith)
>>>excited the ether to say:
>>>
>>>>A coin dealer in Oakland told me this morning that the Sacajaweas would
>>>>be available from banks starting next Wednesday. He had one to show me.
>>>>I looked great.
>>>
>>>I gotta get me some 'o them appearance-enhancing coins.
>>
>>Why?
>>
>So more women will learn what it's like to flirt with Kevlar.
Good grief! You think I'd wish that on someone?
--
Doug Wickstrom
"We are all of us rooting for truffles, but some of us are hissssing at
the stars." --Ray Radlein
Arwel Parry
<mi...@plokta.com> writes
>On Fri, 4 Feb 2000 12:22:22 -0000, "Thomas Womack"
><t...@tom-womack.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>That's something that we noticed and fixed, in fact; over the last decade
>>(maybe decade-and-a-bit) most of the British coins were redesigned smaller.
>>One-pound and two-pound coins are still sensibly chunky, but the 50p piece
>>has shrunk significantly (it used to be about the size of a two-pound coin),
>>the 5p shrunk to the size of an old half-penny and the 10p to the size of
>>the old 5p. The penny and tuppence are still the same size; I'm probably as
>>young a person as remembers the half-penny.
>
>Why do I have this horrible feeling that you mean the decimal halfpenny,
>not the real one that was eliminated in 1971? You really shouldn't do
>that kind of thing to your elders.
Ha'pennys? Pah! I can _nearly_ remember farthings!
--
Arwel Parry
http://www.cartref.demon.co.uk/
mike weber
and typed
:
>"mike weber" <kras...@mindspring.com> wrote
>
>> One would think the same would have been true of the one-pound coin.
>> Info" pamphlet under the "Money" section:
>>
>> "Coins:
>> Are large and will wear out your pockets quickly."
>
>(maybe decade-and-a-bit) most of the British coins were redesigned smaller.
I know -- seems to me that some shrank over the time between my first
visit ('90) and my second ('92)...
Rob Hansen
weber) wrote:
>Rich McAllister K6RFM <r...@pensfa.org> is alleged to have said, on 04
>Feb 2000 14:16:46 -0800,
>:
>>I believe the only way to make the dollar coin successful is
>>for Congress to develop a spine and stop new bills from
>>being printed. While they're at it they should eliminate
>>the penny (and for that matter, the nickel.) I'm not holding
>>my breath, though.
>
>Why stop with the nickel? About the only thing i've used a dime for
>recently was a 35-cent payphone call, and penny gumballs cost a
>quarter.
Well, at the moment there are still American comics priced at $1.99 so
the coins still have *some* utility. Still, I agree with the general
thrust. Personally, I think we should do away with our non-'silver'
coins entirely over here and adjust prices accordingly.
--
Rob Hansen
================================================
My Home Page: http://www.fiawol.demon.co.uk/rob/
Feminists Against Censorship:
http://www.fiawol.demon.co.uk/FAC/
Rachael Lininger
Doug Wickstrom <nims...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>On Fri, 04 Feb 2000 15:56:09 GMT, rac...@gw.dd-b.net (Rachael
>>In article <hq3l9ssfpnqa4eaeg...@4ax.com>,
>>Doug Wickstrom <nims...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>>>On 04 Feb 2000 07:28:20 GMT, rsmit...@aol.com (Randy Smith)
>>>excited the ether to say:
>>>
>>>>A coin dealer in Oakland told me this morning that the Sacajaweas would
>>>>be available from banks starting next Wednesday. He had one to show me.
>>>>I looked great.
>>>
>>>I gotta get me some 'o them appearance-enhancing coins.
>>
>>Why?
>
Salem did not disappear. He softly and silently vanished away. Actually,
it's a deal that he and Tipper have worked out--Tipper gets to play with
the newcomer until the newcomer is worn out, and then Salem goes in for
the kill. Or something like that.
Rachael
--
Rachael Lininger | "Ah, why should anyone be anxious for walls and a roof
rachael@ | When you have such hospitable pigeon-holes?"
dd-b.net | --Thomas Mendip
Kip Williams
>
> al...@bortas.demon.co.uk (Alan Woodford ) is alleged to have said, on
> Sat, 05 Feb 2000 06:33:06 GMT,
> :
>
> >
> >Farthings, now they were before my time.
> >
>
> Newspapers Over Here carried a story on the elimination of the
> farthing; i remember reading it.
No, that was an article that would make it illegal to pass gas in
public. I, uh, remember it distinctly.
--
--Kip (Williams)
amusing the world at http://members.home.net/kipw/
Paul Dormer
ar...@cartref.demon.co.uk (Arwel Parry) wrote:
> In article <+TSbOL=0Ip2waN=YGCOnq...@4ax.com>, Mike Scott
> <mi...@plokta.com> writes
> >On Fri, 4 Feb 2000 12:22:22 -0000, "Thomas Womack"
> ><t...@tom-womack.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >>That's something that we noticed and fixed, in fact; over the last
> decade
> >>(maybe decade-and-a-bit) most of the British coins were redesigned
> smaller.
> >>One-pound and two-pound coins are still sensibly chunky, but the 50p
> piece
> >>has shrunk significantly (it used to be about the size of a two-pound
> coin),
> >>the 5p shrunk to the size of an old half-penny and the 10p to the
> size of
> >>the old 5p. The penny and tuppence are still the same size; I'm
> probably as
> >>young a person as remembers the half-penny.
> >
> >Why do I have this horrible feeling that you mean the decimal
> halfpenny,
> >not the real one that was eliminated in 1971? You really shouldn't do
> >that kind of thing to your elders.
>
> Ha'pennys? Pah! I can _nearly_ remember farthings!
>
Same here. They stopped being legal tender I think in 1959 and I was six
that year. I don't think I was getting pocket money by then, but I
remember the announcement they were going and my mother had kept one as a
souvenir and showed me it.
I seem to remember in those days that if you tendered a £5 note in a shop
the assistant would have to ring a bell and the manager came out and made
sure you were getting the right change.
Doug Wickstrom
pauld...@cix.co.uk (Paul Dormer) excited the ether to say:
That early? Because I have one here, somewhere, and I was sure
it had a later date than that. Or maybe it didn't have a date at
all. I received it as change sometime in the late '70s instead
of, I believe, a decimal 1/2 P.
--
Doug Wickstrom
"China is a big country, inhabited by many Chinese." --Charles de Gaulle
Vicki Rosenzweig
GMT:
>Rich McAllister K6RFM <r...@pensfa.org> is alleged to have said, on 04
>Feb 2000 14:16:46 -0800,
>:
>>kras...@mindspring.com (mike weber) writes:
>>
>>> The real resistance to a dollar coin, though, as with ther Susan, is
>>> merchants, who will basically need new tills for every cash drawer in
>>> the country, since they don't have cups for the dollar coin.
>>
>>Sure they do. It was put there for halves, but nobody uses those
>>either. But everybody is now used to having that "extra" cup to
>>hold extra rolls of coins, paperclips, rubberbands etc.
>
>However, the half does turn up occasionally; it is technically legally
>still in circulation.
>
>>
>>I believe the only way to make the dollar coin successful is
>>for Congress to develop a spine and stop new bills from
>>being printed. While they're at it they should eliminate
>>the penny (and for that matter, the nickel.) I'm not holding
>>my breath, though.
>
>Why stop with the nickel? About the only thing i've used a dime for
>recently was a 35-cent payphone call, and penny gumballs cost a
>quarter.
Nothing costs 60 cents or $1.10 where you live? I use dimes
every day, or nickels when I don't have dimes handy--my normal
workday breakfast, a cup of tea and a buttered roll, costs $1.10,
and the man I buy my newspaper from will accept dimes (total price
fifty cents), letting me save the quarters for laundry.
--
Vicki Rosenzweig | v...@redbird.org
r.a.sf.f faq at http://www.redbird.org/rassef-faq.html
(c) 2000 by Vicki Rosenzweig. Inserting hyperlinks is a
violation of copyright; any site doing so will be billed $50
per post for use of my intellectual property.
Mike Kozlowski
Vicki Rosenzweig <v...@redbird.org> wrote:
>Quoth kras...@mindspring.com (mike weber) on Sat, 05 Feb 2000 08:22:32
>GMT:
>>>being printed. While they're at it they should eliminate
>>>the penny (and for that matter, the nickel.) I'm not holding
>>>my breath, though.
>>
>>Why stop with the nickel? About the only thing i've used a dime for
>>recently was a 35-cent payphone call, and penny gumballs cost a
>>quarter.
>
>Nothing costs 60 cents or $1.10 where you live? I use dimes
>every day, or nickels when I don't have dimes handy
Things certainly cost weird increments of money; but the question is if
anyone cares. When it comes to pennies, I think the answer is clearly no.
The damn things are almost entirely worthless. If I'm buying something
costs $1.63 and I have to pay $1.65, I don't care at all.
I used to make a practice of carrying four pennies on me so that I'd never
have to get any pennies in change, but I soon realized that by carrying
four pennies, I was already living the worst-case scenario. These days, I
just throw pennies away as soon as I get them.
Nickels and dimes still have some value to me, though -- not a lot, in the
case of nickels, but some. I'd say that we can keep those for a while
yet.
Actually, what I'd really like to see is every place of business accepting
credit cards. I don't like carrying cash around on me, but I pretty much
have to because there are still places that won't take credit.
--
Michael Kozlowski
http://www.ssc.wisc.edu/~mkozlows/
Avedon Carol
<r...@fiawol.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Well, at the moment there are still American comics priced at $1.99 so
>the coins still have *some* utility. Still, I agree with the general
>thrust. Personally, I think we should do away with our non-'silver'
>coins entirely over here and adjust prices accordingly.
That's easier to do in the UK, where the coins stop being legal tender
pretty quickly.* In America, all those coins that are in circulation
will stay in circulation for quite a while before they disappear.
_____
*Personally, I think this is cheating.
Kathy Routliffe
>
> In article <sofa9so0lv4h60fhj...@4ax.com>,
> Doug Wickstrom <nims...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> >
> > Well, I just tipped mine two dollars a day for three days, in
> > nice, crisp Thomas Jeffersons. The TJs are just something I do
> > that will be memorable (I like to use Ikes, Suzies, and JFKs for
> > the same purpose, but the Ikes are especially hard to find -- I
> > expect that Sacagawea will be easier, once they are available).
>
> I think the Ikes are all tied up in Nevada or something. I seem to
> recall seeing slot machines that took them (Admittedly several years
> ago), and since few people want to carry that much weight around in
> their pocket, I suspect they get changed into something else before
> people leave.
>
> Atlantic City, on the other hand, has (or had) machines that take
> Suzies.
>
> I can't recall seeing JFKs anywhere recently.
I had a JFK for several years, which I kept religiously in my purse. It
disappeared somewhere along the way, possibly when one of my wallets was
stolen.
I *do* have an Ike that took its place, given to me by a very nice woman
I interviewed once. She apparently pressed these on everyone she talked
to, "for luck". On the other side from Ike is a picture of an eagle
landing on the moon. That's probably one of the reasons I've kept it.
--
Kathy R.
---------------------------
If a human disagrees with you, let him live. In a hundred billion
galaxies, you will not find another.
-- Carl Sagan
Marcus L. Rowland
<ar...@cartref.demon.co.uk> writes
>
>Ha'pennys? Pah! I can _nearly_ remember farthings!
They were still in circulation when I was a kid - about the only things
you could buy with a single farthing were sherbet flying saucers and
very small chewy sweets.
--
Marcus L. Rowland
http://www.ffutures.demon.co.uk/ http://www.forgottenfutures.com/
"We are all victims of this slime. They... ...fill our mailboxes with gibberish
that would get them indicted if people had time to press charges"
[Hunter S. Thompson predicts junk e-mail, 1985 (from Generation of Swine)]
Arwel Parry
<nims...@worldnet.att.net> writes
>On Sat, 5 Feb 2000 16:05 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
>pauld...@cix.co.uk (Paul Dormer) excited the ether to say:
>
>>In article <AyGQfHAd...@cartref.demon.co.uk>,
>>ar...@cartref.demon.co.uk (Arwel Parry) wrote:
>>
>>>
>>that year. I don't think I was getting pocket money by then, but I
>>remember the announcement they were going and my mother had kept one as a
>>souvenir and showed me it.
>
>That early? Because I have one here, somewhere, and I was sure
>it had a later date than that. Or maybe it didn't have a date at
>all. I received it as change sometime in the late '70s instead
>of, I believe, a decimal 1/2 P.
The last farthing was minted in 1956, and they ceased to be legal tender
after 31st December 1960.
As I recall, the old farthing was pretty much the same size as the new
1p coin, and the old ha'penny was much the same size as the new 2p. None
of the old coins were the same size as the decimal ha'penny (and a good
thing too - they were incredibly fiddly things to handle, 17mm diameter,
weighing 1.8 grammes) unless we go back into the mists of Victorian
history with the third-farthing (16mm diameter, 1.5 - 1.6 grammes).
Kathy Routliffe
>
> On 31 Jan 2000 18:55:33 GMT Randy Smith,
> <rsmit...@aol.com>, explained :
>
> > In article <389512D8...@mediaone.net>, Elisabeth Carey
> > <lis....@mediaone.net> writes:
> >
> > >The rules for one kind of tipping aren't necessarily related to the
> > >rules for other kinds of tipping, and a dollar per person per night
> > >for a hotel room is customary. It's not based on the cost of the
> > >room--although in truth I think people staying in the Ritz Carlton and
> > >such places must be tipping more than that. But you can rarely go
> > >wrong by being _more_ generous. It's being less generous that causes
> > >problems.
> >
> > When I checked into one of the secondary hotels at ConAdian, a bellhop
> > took my luggage to my room. Not knowing the proper tip for a bellhop in
> > Winnipeg, I handed him three one-dollar Canadian bills and asked him if
> > that was sufficient. I was prepared to increase the amount if he felt that
> > I was cheating him. He handed one of my bills back to me.
>
> Oh, that is *too* Canadian.
>
> Was it on rasff that I got the "How do you find the Canadian
> on the elevator" joke?
>
Alright, I'll bite. How *do* you find the Canadian on the elevator?
--
Kathy R., preparing for the worst.
John Lorentz
<nims...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>Or, for that matter, the old 50P or the new 500Y.
>
>It ain't the size. It's the not having a tray in the cash
>register, and not being accepted in vending machines.
>
>Get rid of the $1 note, and you'll see the dollar coin, of
>whatever size, readily accepted.
>
You start seeing vending machines (besides those at post offices &
bus/rail ticket machines) that accept dollar coins and people will
start readily accepting them right now--whether or not the dollar bill
is still being printed.
--John
Jo Walton
mkoz...@guy.ssc.wisc.edu "Mike Kozlowski" writes:
> I used to make a practice of carrying four pennies on me so that I'd never
> have to get any pennies in change, but I soon realized that by carrying
> four pennies, I was already living the worst-case scenario. These days, I
> just throw pennies away as soon as I get them.
But... but... but... if you look after the pennies... you will one day
have a huge pile of pennies and if you were really hard up you could
take them to the post office and pretend they were your kid's moneybox
that you wanted changing for something sensible and then spend the
sensible coins on nutritious lentils and onions.
And if it didn't happen that you were hard up then you could take your
huge pile of pennies and go to a funfare and put them in one of the
cake-walk machines, one by one, and see the pennies piling up and if
you're careful and clever than maybe you could win an orange glittery
bangle, or possibly even a keyring that looks like a polar bear.
(If you didn't want the orange glittery bangle you could give it to
the kid standing next to you who only has six pennies and really wants
to win one. Or you could just give them the pennies.)
Or you could put your pennies in a charity box and when the charity has
a great big pile of pennies they could use it to help people.
But perhaps that's what you mean by "throw away". I do hope so.
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Patrick Nielsen Hayden
>Alright, I'll bite. How *do* you find the Canadian on the elevator?
Start stepping on other people's feet until someone apologizes.
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Kathy Routliffe
Oh. My. God.
It's happened to me.
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Ulrika O'Brien
<p...@panix.com>, explained :
> Kathy Routliffe wrote in <389C8A3B...@21stcentury.net>:
>
> >Alright, I'll bite. How *do* you find the Canadian on the elevator?
>
> Start stepping on other people's feet until someone apologizes.
That's the one. When I told this to Liz Schwarzin and Jeff
Copeland, it was in response to Jeff telling one about being
out on the streets in [some U.S. city] and noticing some
people across the street righting a newspaper honor box that
had been knocked down. Another stranger, passing on the far
side of the street was seen to notice, shake his head, and
mutter, "Damn Canadians."
And, apparently, they were.
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Loren MacGregor
>
> On 5 Feb 2000 21:51:27 GMT Patrick Nielsen Hayden,
> <p...@panix.com>, explained :
>
> > Kathy Routliffe wrote in <389C8A3B...@21stcentury.net>:
> >
> > >Alright, I'll bite. How *do* you find the Canadian on the elevator?
> >
> > Start stepping on other people's feet until someone apologizes.
>
> That's the one. When I told this to Liz Schwarzin and Jeff
> Copeland, it was in response to Jeff telling one about being
> out on the streets in [some U.S. city] and noticing some
> people across the street righting a newspaper honor box that
> had been knocked down. Another stranger, passing on the far
> side of the street was seen to notice, shake his head, and
> mutter, "Damn Canadians."
>
> And, apparently, they were.
Ut-oh. I do that. But I'm only -half- Canadian.
Maybe next time I should only straighten it out a bit?
-- LJM
Andrew Plotkin
>>Nothing costs 60 cents or $1.10 where you live? I use dimes
>>every day, or nickels when I don't have dimes handy
>
> Things certainly cost weird increments of money; but the question is if
> anyone cares. When it comes to pennies, I think the answer is clearly no.
> The damn things are almost entirely worthless. If I'm buying something
> costs $1.63 and I have to pay $1.65, I don't care at all.
>
> have to get any pennies in change, but I soon realized that by carrying
> four pennies, I was already living the worst-case scenario. These days, I
> just throw pennies away as soon as I get them.
I sort out the quarters, since those are useful for laundry, but I empty
the rest of the change from my pockets at regular intervals. It goes into
a jar and I ignore it. I almost never pay for anything with change, even
if I have some in the bottoms of the pockets.
Now, mind you, after -- um -- four years of this, I took the jar down to
the change-swallowing machine at the grocery store. (I'd already carried
the thing along through one or two moves. One more would be one too many.
It was a rather large and *heavy* box by then.)
The change-swallowing machine burped out 97 dollars. And that was after
the 9% cut. The pennies alone were, hm, I don't remember, but at least ten
bucks.
I would be happy to see the end of the penny, but I'm not throwing them
away.
Okay, when some rolled under the machine as I was dumping them in by the
handful... I didn't scrabble to pick up every one.
> Nickels and dimes still have some value to me, though -- not a lot, in the
> case of nickels, but some. I'd say that we can keep those for a while
> yet.
>
> Actually, what I'd really like to see is every place of business accepting
> credit cards. I don't like carrying cash around on me, but I pretty much
> have to because there are still places that won't take credit.
We're working on that.
--Z
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Doug Wickstrom
<ar...@cartref.demon.co.uk> excited the ether to say:
OK. I dug it out, and compared it to a decimal 1P from the '70s
and a decimal 1/2P. It must have been as a 1P that it was pushed
off on me. I can't see _anybody_ mistaking one for that tiny
little 1/2P.
Then there's the 5 Peseta coin I received in change as a 5P.
Well, it's the same size, or very close, and it tumbled out of a
tube ticket kiosk's change slot. I didn't realize what I had
until I'd got home.
I _liked_ your old coinage. It was substantial, and there was no
mistaking anything but the 1P for anything US, which I also had
to carry around. The US military solved the 1c - 1P problem by
not using 1 cent coins. I still think they rounded everything
up, and nothing down.
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David G. Bell
pa...@webnexus.com "Samuel Paik" wrote:
> Doug Wickstrom wrote:
> > They actually _deleted_ the requirement that a coin be made of a
> > particular material of a particular weight?
>
> Yes, but only for the dollar coin--the rest still have the metal content
> and weight specified (except for the penny whose composition was
> specified but the Secretary of the Treasury was allowed to vary
> it "to ensure an adequate supply of one-cent coins to meet the needs
> of the United States."
>
> > A feller who really
> > wanted to be a pain in the rear could maybe look into having the
> > Supreme Court rule on the constitutionality of that little
> > change, particularly in light of Article 1, Section 10: "No
> > state shall ... make anything but gold and silver coin a tender
> > in payment of debts....
>
> I don't see how this is relevent to the dollar coin. Section 10
> has to do with powers specifically denied to the States.
And all that it really means is that the states can't require anyone to
accept coins of other than gold or silver. The USG can make a slip of
paper printed with a dull green pattern into legal tender, but nobody
else can.
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