MT VOID, 06/04/21 -- Vol. 39, No. 49, Whole Number 2174

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Topics:
Correction to Science Fiction (and Other) Discussion Groups,
Films, Lectures, etc. (NJ)
HIGH NOON Versus UNCLE VANYA (comments by Evelyn C. Leeper)
Mini Reviews, Part 18 (WOLFWALKERS, DOLITTLE, THE WOLF HOUSE)
(film reviews by Mark R. Leeper and Evelyn C. Leeper)
Kolchak, Las Vegas, and Forensics (comments
by Evelyn C. Leeper)
THE STEPFORD WIVES (letter of comment by Arthur Tansky)
Tom Swift, Jack Ryan, Grand Opera, Sexuality, and Race
(letters of comment by Scott Dorsey, Keith F. Lynch,
Paul Dormer, Tim Merrigan, Gary McGath, Jeff Urs,
and Lowell Gilbert)
This Week's Reading (Hugo Award short story finalists)
(book comments by Evelyn C. Leeper)

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TOPIC: Correction to Science Fiction (and Other) Discussion Groups,
Films, Lectures, etc. (NJ)

According to Charles S. Harris:

At this point, everything about future meetings of [the Middletown
SF group] is tentative: date, day of the week, start & end times,
location (outdoors/indoors, CommunityRoom/CompLab/smallroom), movie
viewing, and even book/film choice. However, we hope that by July
we will have a full complement of members able to attend in person
at the MT Library. [-csh]

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TOPIC: HIGH NOON Versus UNCLE VANYA (comments by Evelyn C. Leeper)

"Do not forsake me, oh my darling, on this our wedding day."

I agree; even Waffles' wife in UNCLE VANYA waited until the next
day.

[Inspired by Mark's response: "Wait at least a couple of days."]

[-ecl]

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TOPIC: Mini Reviews, Part 18 (film reviews by Mark R. Leeper and
Evelyn C. Leeper)

Here is the eighteenth batch of mini-reviews, three films of the
fantastic, using a variety of animation techniques.

WOLFWALKERS: This is an animated film that is the third of the
Cartoon Saloon's "Irish Folklore Trilogy". (The first two are THE
SECRET OF KELLS and SONG OF THE SEA.) The story has strong echoes
of HOW TO TRAIN YOUR DRAGON. It has a very pleasant style of
artwork, and a supernatural adventure story strongly influenced by
Disney films. Released 11/13/20; available on Apple TV+. Rating:
low +2 (-4 to +4)

DOLITTLE: This is a reboot of the 1967 and 1998 films (both titled
DOCTOR DOLITTLE, the first starring Rex Harrison, the second Eddie
Murphy) of Hugh Lofting's book. This version stars Robert Downey,
Jr., and does not have the pushmi-pullyu that appeared in the
previous two films. It demonstrates the current state of CGI,
though some have criticized the implementation. As is common these
days, various celebrities use their voices for the voices of the
animals. This is a film that starts out looking like it might be
an exciting pirate story, but eventually the excitement wears off.
Released 01/17/20; available on Amazon Prime and on DVD. Rating:
high +1 (-4 to +4)

[-mrl]

And one guest mini-review by Evelyn:

THE WOLF HOUSE: This fairy tale seems like a mash-up of the "Three
Little Pigs", "Little Red Riding Hood", and "Hansel and Gretel".
It's a combination of 2-D and 3-D (stop-motion) animation, and
works at appearing like a single continuous take with a constantly
moving camera. (It reminded me of BIRDMAN.) But since it took
five years to make, it is not likely to have been a single take.
The premise is a girl who runs away from a German colony in Chile,
and there are swastikas hidden in a few of the backgrounds.
Another touch is that at the end it simulates the scratches and
wear one sees on these sorts of educational films. This is a must-
see for students of animation techniques. Released 03/20/20;
available on Amazon Prime and on DVD. Rating: +1 (-4 to +4) [-ecl]

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TOPIC: Kolchak, Las Vegas, and Forensics (comments by Evelyn
C. Leeper)

We were recently watching THE NIGHT STALKER recently (as part of
our continuing series of Richard Matheson films, following Matthew
R. Bradley's book RICHARD MATHESON ON SCREEN). As we were seeing
Carl Kolchak visiting crime scenes in Las Vegas, taking pictures,
advising the police, and making suggestions, Mark suddenly said,
"You know, what we need is a series about crime investigation in
Las Vegas, maybe following the same team every week." I assume he
also meant one with lots of shots of downtown Las Vegas, the Strip,
and other iconic areas. I don't know--do you think he's onto
something there?

(Actually, that might be a good idea for a mash-up, with the Las
Vegas CSI investigating a crime that some obnoxious reporter
insists is supernatural. Unfortunately, Darren McGavin is dead,
but maybe he could show up the way Laurence Olivier did in SKY
CAPTAIN AND THE WORLD OF TOMORROW. Along with William Petersen and
Jorja Fox, it would be a killer movie--no pun intended.)

We are also finishing up the Great Courses/Teaching Company course
on "Trails of Evidence: How Forensic Science Works", and I found
myself concluding that the Las Vegas police as portrayed in the
1974 film were pretty sloppy. They find one body in the middle of
a large patch of sand (at least fifty fee square) which has no
footprints in it. Do they have a police photographer take any
pictures before they tromp all over the sand? No--apparently there
*is* no police photographer. Only Kolchak, the newspaper reporter,
takes photographs. [-ecl]

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TOPIC: THE STEPFORD WIVES (letter of comment by Arthur Tansky)

In response to Evelyn's comments on THE STEPFORD WIVES in the
05/28/21 issue of the MT VOID, Arthur Tansky writes:

I know that when I read THE STEPFORD WIVES for my local book
discussion group (back in 2009), I was certain that the wives were
not brainwashed, but were replaced by robots. I've still never
seen the movie. And I didn't care enough for the book to go back
and see how we arrived at different understandings.

In case you're interested, here are the notes I made for myself
back then:

THE STEPFORD WIVES by Ira Levin

The book was written in 1972. The 1978 COMPROMISING POSITIONS was
much more explicitly sexy. Is it the six-year difference or is it
the authors? It was interesting reading this so soon after I read
CP. I'm not, and never have been, a woman, but CP's woman-to-woman
sex talk sounded genuine. SW's didn't.

It's difficult to read this book, knowing the town's secret. Even
though it has some nice bits for the re-reader (e.g. Diz's smiling
for the first time as he contradicts Joanna's comment that he
doesn't want other people to be happy).

I found that this book would be more in the Horror genre than SF.
However, it may fit better with Romances.

I was put off by some of what seemed to be gratuitous sex (although
understated by today's standards). Then I realized that this book
was written not for fen, but for bored suburban housewives. It was
supposed to look like just another sex in the 'burbs books, then
take the reader by surprise. It can't do that now, and I wonder
why it's still popular.

There are also problems with the writing that I wouldn't have
expected except in a first novel (which this isn't). I was often
confused as to who was being referred to by pronouns.

I was also unsatisfied with a lack of information at the
denouement. Was Walter converted to the dark side by propaganda
from the other men, or did he buy the house in Stepford
specifically in order to get a Stepford Wife? In a small town,
isn't one house a month turnover a little high? Especially in such
a town as this?

There's also a bit of a plot hole. If these are animatronic dolls,
Bobbie wouldn't have needed a padded bra or a girdle.

Also, I admit a surprise: I expected mind control rather than
robotic replacements. I wonder if the movie version used the
former and whatever info filtered into my brain came from talk
about that.

And if they're that far advanced in robotics, don't you think that
maids would have come before replacement wives? (Another reason I
don't think it fits in the SF genre--not enough thinking things
through.) [-at]

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TOPIC: Tom Swift, Jack Ryan, Grand Opera, Sexuality, and Race
(letters of comment by Scott Dorsey, Keith F. Lynch, Paul Dormer,
Tim Merrigan, Gary McGath, Jeff Urs, and Lowell Gilbert)

In response to Dale Skran's comments on Tom Swift in the 05/28/21
issue of the MT VOID, did we get letters! Dale wrote, "In this
already entertaining mix throw a new version of Tom Swift, with
Tian Richards playing a black, gay, and super-rich version of Tom.
This is in sharp contrast to Nancy Drew, who in spite of having a
diverse, modern set of friends, looks and acts like she stepped
right out the original books." [-dls]

Scott Dorsey writes:

I don't think this is a character inversion at all. In the
original books, Tom Swift was clearly very, very rich, likely from
all those profitable inventions he came up with. He had no real
sexuality of any sort, so making him gay isn't that much of a
stretch. Being Black is a pretty dramatic shift but a perfectly
reasonable one if you are going to update the character. The
original character was white by default of course, as things would
be in the Age of Edison. [-sd]

Keith F. Lynch responds:

He was definitely straight in the original novels.

I was rather surprised that the movie TOM CLANCY'S WITHOUT REMORSE
cast a Black actor to play the protagonist, John Kelly a.k.a. John
Clark.

Are there any characters who should never be Black?

(I'm not complaining that Kelly was Black. But I am complaining
that he coerced a confession from a suspect, whom he then killed.
He's supposed to be a good guy.) [-kfl]

Scott replies:

Was he [straight]? I don't remember him ever expressing any
interest in girls at any point. Even the Hardy Boys were vaguely
interested in Iola, even if they never made out with her in the
rumble seat of Chet's jalopy.

Hmm, now I need to go re-read some of those Swift books. I haven't
read them since third grade when I found a stack of them in the
school's attic.

Of course [there are characters who should never be Black].
Characters in historical dramas need to represent the original
characters. You couldn't cast a Black man as George Wallace
effectively. The same goes for characters for whom their race is a
dominant factor in their lives and in the plot (again, George
Wallace being a fine example).

[Re Jack Ryan] You can take that up with Clancy. [-sd]

Paul Dormer adds:

Coincidentally, a new series about the life of Anne Boleyn is
starting of British television. The title role is being played by
Jodie Turner-Smith. [-pd]

Evelyn notes:

For those unfamiliar with Jodie Turner-Smith, she is Black. [-ecl]

Keith clarifies:

Note that I'm speaking of the *original* novels, circa 1910. The
reprints and sequels may have been bowdlerized.

[Clancy] was unavailable for comment due to death.

To be fair to the movie, he did write positive depictions of
coerced confessions. I don't recall if there was one in WITHOUT
REMORSE, but there was certainly one in CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER.
[-kfl]

Tim Merrigan adds:

Soon after the (grown up, grifter) Bobbsy Twins were introduced to
the show, I looked up the original books and their publisher. (I
hadn't known that The Bobbsy Twins were part of that universe.)

It seems that having no sexuality was part of the publisher's
bible, unless it was asexual.

[Re characters who should never be Black] Jefferson Davis? [-tm]

Keith replies:

What show [were the Bobbsy Twins introduced to]?

To be fair, they were six years old [in the books].

The original novels in 1904, so they'd be 123 today, hence also
presumably not sexually active. [-kfl]

Tim reminds Keith:

Nancy Drew, the show this subthread is about.

But that was the bible for all the titles they published, Nancy
Drew, The Hardy Boys, Tom Swift, and several others I can't think
of off the top of my head.

I have a question for people who've actually read the books, in
whatever iteration. Was Nancy constantly dealing with supernatural
investigations? I was kinda under the impression she mostly dealt
with "mundane" crimes, missing persons, murders, theft, etc. rather
than the ghosts, including the ghost of her biological mother, and
hauntings and possessions and curses, the show has her dealing
with. [-tm]

Regarding the race of characters/actors, Gary McGath writes:

In opera anything goes. In THE MAGIC FLUTE, Pamina is supposed to
be white, but Kathleen Battle has played her (quite well, too). I
once saw a live performance of FAUST where Marguerite was white but
her brother Valentine was Black. Conversely, a number of white
performers have played Aida, who is Ethiopian. It's no stranger
than overweight sopranos portraying heroines who are dying of
wasting diseases. [-gmg]

Evelyn interjects:

Mark once referred to an opera company's season including LA BOHEME
and LA TRAVIATA as featuring "the two tubercular titans of grand
opera." [-ecl]

Paul writes:

I have seen the great Jamaican-born baritone Sir Willard White sing
Kutuzov in Prokofiev's WAR AND PEACE.

I also saw a review of a production of THE BOYS FROM SYRACUSE
where, for each pair of twins, one was white and the other Black.
And nobody could tell them apart. [-pd]

Re Tom's interest in girls, Jeff Urs writes:

Wikipedia matches my memory:

"Phyllis Newton--Daughter of Ned Newton and Tom Jr.'s customary
social date. Facing death, Tom Jr. declares his love for Phyllis
in TOM SWIFT ON THE PHANTOM SATELLITE."

Just the existence of a Tom Swift, Jr., strongly implies that the
elder Tom had some interest in women. I haven't read the books, so
I don't know if any family details were ever given. [-ju]

But Lowell Gilbert responds:

You seem to be implying the existence of some kind of consistency
that none of these stories employed on any kind of ongoing basis.
They were reliably consistent with their backstories, the relevant
points of which were generally laid out in the first (no, second,
now that I think of it) chapter, but not with wider details. [-lg]

And Jeff Urs replies:

Oops. That was me reading one thing and seeing another. [-ju]

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TOPIC: This Week's Reading (book comments by Evelyn C. Leeper)

As I said, I'm going to start with the shorter fiction; not all the
novellas are available to me except through inter-library loan,
which is currently suspended. (And given my broken hip, even
getting the locally available novellas is on hold.) I am not going
to do the novels, or (Ghu help me) the series, though I will talk
about the long form dramatic presentations (i.e., movies) after I
manage to get SOUL from Netflix.

So let me start with the short story category.

"Badass Moms in the Zombie Apocalypse", Rae Carson (UNCANNY
MAGAZINE, January/February 2020): My main problem with this is that
there seems to be a never-ending stream of post-apocalyptic zombie
movies these days. (Well, more like a surging river, and "these
days" is more like "at least the last twenty years".) Is it right
to downgrade because of that? Who knows?

"A Guide for Working Breeds", Vina Jie-Min Prasad (MADE TO ORDER:
ROBOTS AND REVOLUTION, ed. Jonathan Strahan (Solaris)): I found
the style awkward to read, and the ideas familiar (robots achieving
[more] self-awareness, unexpected consequences, etc.).

"Little Free Library", Naomi Kritzer (Tor.com): This is a slight
variation on the "libraries as portals" idea, but on a smaller
scale. (I am reminded of books such as Stephen Fry's MAKING
HISTORY, where you have a time machine that can send items back to
the past, but only in very small quantities.) This is a more
lightweight story than a lot of what we are saying on the ballot
these days, but it is enjoyable.

"The Mermaid Astronaut", Yoon Ha Lee (BENEATH CEASELESS SKIES,
February 2020): I kept waiting for a big "reveal", and there was
one of sorts, but not all that surprising. More a character study
than a story with a plot, it operates on a different level than a
lot of the other finalists.

"Metal Like Blood in the Dark", T. Kingfisher (Uncanny Magazine,
September/October 2020): I managed to totally miss the allegory in
this one, but it was still not a bad story. (I won't say more, so
as to not spoil it.)

"Open House on Haunted Hill", John Wiswell (Diabolical Plots, 2020,
ed. David Steffen): Most haunted house stories are intended to be
scary; this one is not. It's not exactly a ghost story, but I
would think of it in the same category as BLITHE SPIRIT, THE GHOST
AND MRS. MUIR, and TOPPER. In any case, it's a nice change from
all the horrific haunted house stories one reads.

Ranking: "Badass Moms in the Zombie Apocalypse", "Open House on
Haunted Hill", "Little Free Library", "Metal Like Blood in the
Dark", "The Mermaid Astronaut", "A Guide for Working Breeds",
no award

[-ecl]

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Mark Leeper
mle...@optonline.net


The analysis of variance is not a mathematical theorem,
but rather a convenient method of arranging the
arithmetic.
--Ronald Fisher

[Keith F. Lynch]

ele...@optonline.net <evelynchim...@gmail.com> wrote:
> [Re Jack Ryan] You can take that up with Clancy. [-sd]

Nobody mentioned Jack Ryan. We were discussing a different Clancy
character, John Kelly aka John Clark.

I'm currently re-reading _Without Remorse_, the 750-page Kelly origin
story, to remind me of how it differs from the recent movie.
--
Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.

[Kevrob]

On Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 3:50:11 PM UTC-4, Keith F. Lynch wrote:
> ele...@optonline.net <evelynchim...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > [Re Jack Ryan] You can take that up with Clancy. [-sd]
> Nobody mentioned Jack Ryan. We were discussing a different Clancy
> character, John Kelly aka John Clark.
>
> I'm currently re-reading _Without Remorse_, the 750-page Kelly origin
> story, to remind me of how it differs from the recent movie.
> --
>

[quote]

John Kelly was born in Indianapolis to Irish-American parents in 1944
and raised as a Catholic. His father, Timothy Kelly, served in the Navy
during World War II and was a fireman who perished from a heart attack
during a fire. John lost his mother to cancer when he was a young boy.
He attended Brebeuf Jesuit Preparatory School in Indianapolis.

[/quote] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Clark_(Ryanverse_character)

Race-flipping an Irish-American character created by an Irish-American
author is blatant cultural appropriation: freckle-washing? :)

The author being 7 years dead, he wouldn't get a say in casting,
which may be no different than the situation living authors find
themselves in when they sell a novel to Hollywood. What was it {Heinlein?}

said about throwing the MS over the fence and skedaddling with the money?

--
Kevin R

[Tim Merrigan]

On Sat, 12 Jun 2021 14:45:13 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob <kev...@my-deja.com>
wrote:

I don't have any problems with Irish African Americans (one of my
wife's former bosses was one). Many descendents of slaves (or, to use
the current PC term, enslaved people) have Whites in their family
tree, and some of those are Irish, and that's leaving aside post
Loving ruling marriages.
--

Qualified immuninity = vertual impunity.

Tim Merrigan

--
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[Kevrob]

I've known at least one "mixed race" Irish-American who would
crack, "Have you never heard of the Black Irish?"

Which isn't the same thing, at all, at all.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_people#TermBlackIrish

Hey, there was "Barry O'Bama," who has ancestry from the Kearneys
of Moneygall, Offaly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moneygall

--
Kevin R

[Melita Kennedy]

It's been a long, long time since I read Without Remorse and the later Ryanverse books. I gave up after Ryan became President. Did Clark's Catholicism or Irish heritage play a substantial role in any of the plots?

[Wolffan]

On 2021 Jun 20, Melita Kennedy wrote
(in article<8fcad1ff-62f6-4b30...@googlegroups.com>):

One or two of them. In Rainbow Six, Clark is Very Annoyed with some IRA
gunmen. There are several reasons for this, including the fact that said
gunmen had targetted Clark’s wife and daughter. Part of the process of
talking a few of the gunmen down was to point out that both wife and daughter
were Irish Catholic, and daughter was married to Chavez, Clark’s
second-in-command, Hispanic Catholic who was a former gang-banger from East
LA who’d joined the Army for reasons of health and had been in the Great
South American Cocaine Fuckup. And, oh, daughter was nine months preggo.
Chavez was not a happy camper and let the IRA boys know it. There was at
least one other incident, in Japan, I think. It’s been too long since
I’ve read any of the books. Rainbow Six is the last one I read, unless that
was The Bear and The Dragon.

[Kevrob]

On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 11:17:42 AM UTC-4, Wolffan wrote:
> On 2021 Jun 20, Melita Kennedy wrote
> (in article<8fcad1ff-62f6-4b30...@googlegroups.com>):

[snip]

> > It's been a long, long time since I read Without Remorse and the later
> > Ryanverse books. I gave up after Ryan became President. Did Clark's
> > Catholicism or Irish heritage play a substantial role in any of the plots?

> One or two of them. In Rainbow Six, Clark is Very Annoyed with some IRA
> gunmen. There are several reasons for this, including the fact that said
> gunmen had targetted Clark’s wife and daughter. Part of the process of
> talking a few of the gunmen down was to point out that both wife and daughter
> were Irish Catholic, and daughter was married to Chavez, Clark’s
> second-in-command, Hispanic Catholic who was a former gang-banger from East
> LA who’d joined the Army for reasons of health and had been in the Great
> South American Cocaine Fuckup. And, oh, daughter was nine months preggo.
> Chavez was not a happy camper and let the IRA boys know it. There was at
> least one other incident, in Japan, I think. It’s been too long since
> I’ve read any of the books. Rainbow Six is the last one I read, unless that
> was The Bear and The Dragon.

It certainly crops up in "Patriot Games."

As a "background thing," it is certainly the case that among 20th
century Irish-Americans, an affinity for taking civil service jobs was
a real thing. Starting with the patronage hiring of the old urban political
machines in the 19th century, your Irish immigrant, perhaps soured on
farming by the Great Famine, as far more likely to take public employment
than, for example, an Italian immigrant. Much greater familiarity with the
language of the conquerors of their old country made it easier for the Irish
to get involved in politics and garner the patronage spots. The cliche of
the Irish cop or fireman was based on reality. Real world figures like J
Edgar Hoover were partial to recruiting Catholics to the FBI,* and the CIA
was so well-known for Catholics joining up and even being Director that
jokes were made about the "Catholic Intelligence Agency."

https://muse.jhu.edu/article/446954/pdf

{Review of "The FBI and the Catholic Church, 1935–1962" by Rosswurm }

https://catholicherald.co.uk/why-catholics-thrive-in-the-cia/

In my Irish, Catholic family we had the occasional doctor or lawyer,
but a lot of public school teachers and policeman, along with nurses,
some of whom worked at public hospitals, others at private ones. "The
pay isn't the best, but there's job security and good benefits" was the
advice one would hear. Pay got better as public employees were allowed
to unionize.

* Hoover and the FBI also liked to recruit LDS (Mormon) agents.

https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/why-mormons-make-great-fbi-recruits

--
Kevin R

[Wolffan]

On 2021 Jun 21, Kevrob wrote
(in article<d3257357-e813-45fe...@googlegroups.com>):

> On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 11:17:42 AM UTC-4, Wolffan wrote:
> > On 2021 Jun 20, Melita Kennedy wrote
> > (in article<8fcad1ff-62f6-4b30...@googlegroups.com>):
>
> [snip]
>
> > > It's been a long, long time since I read Without Remorse and the later
> > > Ryanverse books. I gave up after Ryan became President. Did Clark's
> > > Catholicism or Irish heritage play a substantial role in any of the plots?
>
> > One or two of them. In Rainbow Six, Clark is Very Annoyed with some IRA
> > gunmen. There are several reasons for this, including the fact that said
> > gunmen had targetted Clark’s wife and daughter. Part of the process of
> > talking a few of the gunmen down was to point out that both wife and
> > daughter
> > were Irish Catholic, and daughter was married to Chavez, Clark’s
> > second-in-command, Hispanic Catholic who was a former gang-banger from East
> > LA who’d joined the Army for reasons of health and had been in the Great
> > South American Cocaine Fuckup. And, oh, daughter was nine months preggo.
> > Chavez was not a happy camper and let the IRA boys know it. There was at
> > least one other incident, in Japan, I think. It’s been too long since
> > I’ve read any of the books. Rainbow Six is the last one I read, unless
> > that
> > was The Bear and The Dragon.
>
> It certainly crops up in "Patriot Games."

Patriot Games was Ryan, not Clark. I don’t think that Clark was yet a
character.

[Kevrob]

On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 5:18:25 PM UTC-4, Wolffan wrote:
> On 2021 Jun 21, Kevrob wrote
> (in article<d3257357-e813-45fe...@googlegroups.com>):

[snip]

> > It certainly crops up in "Patriot Games."
> Patriot Games was Ryan, not Clark. I don’t think that Clark was yet a
> character.
> >

Clancy shoehorned Clark/Kelly into PG via what I suppose is a retcon.

[quote]

He first enters the Jack Ryan universe in "Without Remorse," which also features
police officer Emmet Ryan and his son Jack. Although he does not appear in
"Patriot Games," it is later revealed that he was the CIA's liaison with a French
black ops unit involved in the campaign against the ULA.

[/quote]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Clark_(Ryanverse_character)

--
Kevin R