Life found to suck in new and unsurprising ways
netcat
Case no. 1:
I have varicella. In case anyone wondered where I got to. Well,
actually, at first it was a week of "forced vacation" (which is a very
weird duck, I tell you) run end-to-end with the Midsummer celebration
(St. John's Eve, which is when everyone here who isn't me gets roaring
drunk and life simply stops for 2 days) and then I found out why, as I
had previously been complaining in the composition group, gardening had
been killing me so much this year (i.e. why I have had fever bouts, on
and off, for about a month now). Yup, varicella, aka chicken pox. Loads
more annoying when you get it as an adult, so see that you don't.
Case no. 2:
I knew that my family doctor is barely competent in some areas, but I
didn't expect that she doesn't know about varicella affecting adults
more seriously than children. I mean, sheesh. That raises questions
about the rest of the stuff she might not know. She insisted I have to
dab all the vesicles with the Brilliant Green solution. I said, most
countries of the world don't even know this ugliness exists, so clearly
they use something else there. Why can't I? She said, nothing else works
that well. She didn't deign to explain why. So not only do I look like a
monster, I'm also dotted green all over. And it also doesn't wash off
very well, so even after I'm healed I'm gonna be greener than Spock. She
also prescribed me antibiotics (SMX-TMP) - against a viral disease,
dammit. I'm not taking them. I mentioned Acyclovir to her and she said
it would not work.
Case no. 3:
I found out how truly easy it is for users of IE to get trojaned. I
needed to visit a site that I knew would not render correctly anywhere
but in IE and only accessible copy of IE at that time was totally
insecure - nonupdated, nonfirewalled, no running antivirus and so on.
But it was a known site (my old sports club) that I have visited
countless times before, so no problem, right. And as soon as it gets
there, it starts doing a request for a very weird Chinese domain, out of
the blue.
I killed the connection. I killed the browser. Lo and behold, two new
processes running that I _did not start and do not recognise_. I kill
those, search for any new files. They were deposited somewhere under the
user settings directories in Windoze. File.exe and pdfupd.exe. I tried
Kaspersky on them, but weird enough it didn't find them to suspect.
Maybe need to try something else, a spyware tool, but I'm too sick and
tired to care to dissect them, they were easy enough to contain.
But for the love of! I have observed web sites getting "infected" left
and right of me, lately, but it never occurred this might bite myself on
the proverbial ass. I gotta get me some fresh paranoia, seem to have run
out of that as of late.
rgds,
netcat
Dorothy J Heydt
netcat <net...@devnull.eridani.eol.ee> wrote:
>
>Case no. 1:
>
>I have varicella. In case anyone wondered where I got to. Well,
>actually, at first it was a week of "forced vacation" (which is a very
>weird duck, I tell you) run end-to-end with the Midsummer celebration
>(St. John's Eve, which is when everyone here who isn't me gets roaring
>drunk and life simply stops for 2 days) and then I found out why, as I
>had previously been complaining in the composition group, gardening had
>been killing me so much this year (i.e. why I have had fever bouts, on
>and off, for about a month now). Yup, varicella, aka chicken pox. Loads
>more annoying when you get it as an adult, so see that you don't.
Owwwww! You have my profoundest sympathies. I had chicken
pox at the age of nineteen. I was a junior at university,
and for the previous couple of days I had been feeling
feverish and grungy and I'd been muttering "How can I have
mononucleosis? I haven't been kissing *anybody*!" Then the
housemother pointed out I had little blisters all over. It
was a relief, in a way.
>
>Case no. 2:
>
>I knew that my family doctor is barely competent in some areas, but I
>didn't expect that she doesn't know about varicella affecting adults
>more seriously than children. I mean, sheesh. That raises questions
>about the rest of the stuff she might not know. She insisted I have to
>dab all the vesicles with the Brilliant Green solution. I said, most
>countries of the world don't even know this ugliness exists, so clearly
>they use something else there. Why can't I? She said, nothing else works
>that well. She didn't deign to explain why. So not only do I look like a
>monster, I'm also dotted green all over. And it also doesn't wash off
>very well, so even after I'm healed I'm gonna be greener than Spock. She
>also prescribed me antibiotics (SMX-TMP) - against a viral disease,
>dammit. I'm not taking them.
Good idea.
>I mentioned Acyclovir to her and she said
>it would not work.
Nobody ever dabbed anything on me. Of course, this was the
better part of fifty years ago. Acyclovir hadn't been
developed then so I don't know if it would work or not.
Chicken pox is yet one more herpes disease, like hives and
cold sores and other much nastier stuff. (Before I had the
pox, I got cold sores frequently and hives never; afterward
it was reversed. Go figure.)
Anyway, the only consolation I can offer is that once it's
over you should be immune for the rest of your life, and now
that the poxes are out you should feel better meanwhile.
Hang in there.
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at hotmail dot com
Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the hotmail edress.
Kithrup is getting too damn much spam, even with the sysop's filters.
David V. Loewe, Jr
<net...@devnull.eridani.eol.ee> wrote:
>Case no. 1:
>
>I have varicella. In case anyone wondered where I got to. Well,
>actually, at first it was a week of "forced vacation" (which is a very
>weird duck, I tell you) run end-to-end with the Midsummer celebration
>(St. John's Eve, which is when everyone here who isn't me gets roaring
>drunk and life simply stops for 2 days) and then I found out why, as I
>had previously been complaining in the composition group, gardening had
>been killing me so much this year (i.e. why I have had fever bouts, on
>and off, for about a month now). Yup, varicella, aka chicken pox. Loads
>more annoying when you get it as an adult, so see that you don't.
Had it as a child. You have my sympathy.
>Case no. 2:
>
>I knew that my family doctor is barely competent in some areas, but I
>didn't expect that she doesn't know about varicella affecting adults
>more seriously than children. I mean, sheesh. That raises questions
>about the rest of the stuff she might not know. She insisted I have to
>dab all the vesicles with the Brilliant Green solution. I said, most
>countries of the world don't even know this ugliness exists, so clearly
>they use something else there.
Anti-itch creams and lotions.
>Why can't I? She said, nothing else works
>that well. She didn't deign to explain why. So not only do I look like a
>monster, I'm also dotted green all over. And it also doesn't wash off
>very well, so even after I'm healed I'm gonna be greener than Spock. She
>also prescribed me antibiotics (SMX-TMP)
Wikipedia says that Brilliant Green (you were right, I'd never
encountered that before) is a treatment for Gram-positive bacteria.
>- against a viral disease,
>dammit. I'm not taking them. I mentioned Acyclovir to her and she said
>it would not work.
Wikipedia claims it is not recommended for varicella.
>Case no. 3:
>
>I found out how truly easy it is for users of IE to get trojaned. I
>needed to visit a site that I knew would not render correctly anywhere
>but in IE and only accessible copy of IE at that time was totally
>insecure - nonupdated, nonfirewalled, no running antivirus and so on.
>But it was a known site (my old sports club) that I have visited
>countless times before, so no problem, right. And as soon as it gets
>there, it starts doing a request for a very weird Chinese domain, out of
>the blue.
>
>I killed the connection. I killed the browser. Lo and behold, two new
>processes running that I _did not start and do not recognise_. I kill
>those, search for any new files. They were deposited somewhere under the
>user settings directories in Windoze. File.exe and pdfupd.exe. I tried
>Kaspersky on them, but weird enough it didn't find them to suspect.
>Maybe need to try something else, a spyware tool, but I'm too sick and
>tired to care to dissect them, they were easy enough to contain.
>
>But for the love of! I have observed web sites getting "infected" left
>and right of me, lately, but it never occurred this might bite myself on
>the proverbial ass. I gotta get me some fresh paranoia, seem to have run
>out of that as of late.
Good luck on getting that off your system.
--
"Tax the rich, feed the poor
till there are no rich no more."
Alvin Lee
Jette
> Case no. 1:
>
> I have varicella. In case anyone wondered where I got to. Well,
> actually, at first it was a week of "forced vacation" (which is a very
> weird duck, I tell you) run end-to-end with the Midsummer celebration
> (St. John's Eve, which is when everyone here who isn't me gets roaring
> drunk and life simply stops for 2 days) and then I found out why, as I
> had previously been complaining in the composition group, gardening had
> been killing me so much this year (i.e. why I have had fever bouts, on
> and off, for about a month now). Yup, varicella, aka chicken pox. Loads
> more annoying when you get it as an adult, so see that you don't.
>
I was 16. It was the hottest summer for decades, with no air
conditioning available - not even an electric fan. I agree with this
post :-)
--
Jette Goldie
je...@blueyonder.co.uk
http://www.flickr.com/photos/wolfette/
http://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/
http://wolfette.livejournal.com/
("reply to" is spamblocked - use the email addy in sig)
netcat
dave...@charter.net says...
> Had it as a child. You have my sympathy.
Thanks.
> Anti-itch creams and lotions.
I don't exactly itch much at all. But I had high fever for several days
that did not respond to meds at all. That scared me.
> >Why can't I? She said, nothing else works
> >that well. She didn't deign to explain why. So not only do I look like a
> >monster, I'm also dotted green all over. And it also doesn't wash off
> >very well, so even after I'm healed I'm gonna be greener than Spock. She
> >also prescribed me antibiotics (SMX-TMP)
>
> Wikipedia says that Brilliant Green (you were right, I'd never
> encountered that before) is a treatment for Gram-positive bacteria.
More generally, it's used as a local antiseptic. Also as it is an
alcohol solution it has a drying effect. But it's so damn GREEN.
> >dammit. I'm not taking them. I mentioned Acyclovir to her and she said
> >it would not work.
>
> Wikipedia claims it is not recommended for varicella.
Eh? Are we reading the same wiki page here?
"Infection in otherwise healthy adults tends to be more severe and
active; treatment with antiviral drugs (e.g. acyclovir) is generally
advised, as long as it is started within 24=3F48 hours from rash onset"
> Good luck on getting that off your system.
Um, I think it is "off" in the sense that the planted files are not
running and not in a place where they could be run by anything else. I'm
just poring over whether I should do something with teh evidence or just
flush it. This must be either one of the most simplistic trojans I've
ever seen or I cut off the connection before it could download all parts
of itself. I'm not feeling up to it though. The local CERT can have its
fun.
rgds,
netcat
netcat
> Owwwww! You have my profoundest sympathies. I had chicken
> pox at the age of nineteen. I was a junior at university,
> and for the previous couple of days I had been feeling
> feverish and grungy and I'd been muttering "How can I have
> mononucleosis? I haven't been kissing *anybody*!" Then the
> housemother pointed out I had little blisters all over. It
> was a relief, in a way.
Y'know, if I hadn't finally broken out, mono would fit my symptoms _so_
much better. It doesn't make much sense that I have been suffering of
fever and fatigue for more than a month before. It doesn't usually
happen with chicken pox I understand.
Also, curiously, mononucleosis is a totally unknown disease here. I bet
even if I had it my doctor wouldn't find out what it was.
> Nobody ever dabbed anything on me.
So you just what, wandered around with crusty infections sores on you
for a few weeks? Did you end up with any scars for life, as my doctor
tells me I will unless I constantly disinfect them?
> better part of fifty years ago. Acyclovir hadn't been
> developed then so I don't know if it would work or not.
> Chicken pox is yet one more herpes disease, like hives and
> cold sores and other much nastier stuff.
It's part of the same family of herpes viruses (which is why Acyclovir
would work) but not exactly the same.
> (Before I had the
> pox, I got cold sores frequently and hives never; afterward
> it was reversed. Go figure.)
But now you could always get shingles as a late complication! Yay!
> Anyway, the only consolation I can offer is that once it's
> over you should be immune for the rest of your life, and now
> that the poxes are out you should feel better meanwhile.
> Hang in there.
Thanks. I really appreciate it.
rgds,
netcat
netcat
boss...@scotlandmail.com says...
> netcat wrote:
> > Case no. 1:
> >
> > I have varicella. In case anyone wondered where I got to. Well,
> > actually, at first it was a week of "forced vacation" (which is a very
> > weird duck, I tell you) run end-to-end with the Midsummer celebration
> > (St. John's Eve, which is when everyone here who isn't me gets roaring
> > drunk and life simply stops for 2 days) and then I found out why, as I
> > had previously been complaining in the composition group, gardening had
> > been killing me so much this year (i.e. why I have had fever bouts, on
> > and off, for about a month now). Yup, varicella, aka chicken pox. Loads
> > more annoying when you get it as an adult, so see that you don't.
> >
>
> I was 16. It was the hottest summer for decades, with no air
> conditioning available - not even an electric fan. I agree with this
> post :-)
It is hotter here than it has been for a while, and yes I have no air
conditioning, but if you've been running a high fever for a week you
don't tend to notice these things.
rgds,
netcat
David Loewe, Jr.
<net...@devnull.eridani.eol.ee> wrote:
>dave...@charter.net says...
>> Had it as a child. You have my sympathy.
>
>Thanks.
>
>> Anti-itch creams and lotions.
>
>I don't exactly itch much at all. But I had high fever for several days
>that did not respond to meds at all. That scared me.
>
>> >Why can't I? She said, nothing else works
>> >that well. She didn't deign to explain why. So not only do I look like a
>> >monster, I'm also dotted green all over. And it also doesn't wash off
>> >very well, so even after I'm healed I'm gonna be greener than Spock. She
>> >also prescribed me antibiotics (SMX-TMP)
>>
>> Wikipedia says that Brilliant Green (you were right, I'd never
>> encountered that before) is a treatment for Gram-positive bacteria.
>
>More generally, it's used as a local antiseptic. Also as it is an
>alcohol solution it has a drying effect. But it's so damn GREEN.
Was just pointing out that *everything* she gave you was an anti-biotic,
as opposed to anything anti-viral.
>> >dammit. I'm not taking them. I mentioned Acyclovir to her and she said
>> >it would not work.
>>
>> Wikipedia claims it is not recommended for varicella.
>
>Eh? Are we reading the same wiki page here?
>
>"Infection in otherwise healthy adults tends to be more severe and
>active; treatment with antiviral drugs (e.g. acyclovir) is generally
>advised, as long as it is started within 24=3F48 hours from rash onset"
Oops.
I was reading the section for treatment of children.
My bad.
>> Good luck on getting that off your system.
>
>Um, I think it is "off" in the sense that the planted files are not
>running and not in a place where they could be run by anything else. I'm
>just poring over whether I should do something with teh evidence or just
>flush it. This must be either one of the most simplistic trojans I've
>ever seen or I cut off the connection before it could download all parts
>of itself. I'm not feeling up to it though. The local CERT can have its
>fun.
--
"I want to know what became of the changes
We waited for love to bring.
Were they only the fitful dreams
Of some greater awakening?"
Clyde J. Browne
netcat
dlo...@mindspring.com says...
> >advised, as long as it is started within 24=3F48 hours from rash onset"
Before Keith gets on my case, it's copying from a local browser into a
newsreader running two chained remote desktop sessions away that did
this. And it read as messed up in my own newsreader, as it probably did
already when I pasted it. Still too exhausted to proofread own posts,
sorry. Expect more mistakes galore.
Why don't I have a local newsreader at my home machine? I used to, but
that box is too old to run. And the one I'm using now has been waiting
to be replaced for more than a year now, so I don't bother to install
anything new on it. Also, it's convenient in that it keeps me from
wasting my weekends and holidays on Usenet, as I'm usually reluctant to
log into my work machines during that time.
rgds,
netcat
David Friedman
djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:
> Before I had the
> pox, I got cold sores frequently and hives never;
I find that particularly amusing from Dorothy, who surely knows what
"the pox" used to mean.
--
http://www.daviddfriedman.com/ http://daviddfriedman.blogspot.com/
Author of
_Future Imperfect: Technology and Freedom in an Uncertain World_,
Cambridge University Press.
Dorothy J Heydt
netcat <net...@devnull.eridani.eol.ee> wrote:
>In article <KM2Bp...@kithrup.com>, djh...@kithrup.com says...
>> Owwwww! You have my profoundest sympathies. I had chicken
>> pox at the age of nineteen. I was a junior at university,
>> and for the previous couple of days I had been feeling
>> feverish and grungy and I'd been muttering "How can I have
>> mononucleosis? I haven't been kissing *anybody*!" Then the
>> housemother pointed out I had little blisters all over. It
>> was a relief, in a way.
>
>Y'know, if I hadn't finally broken out, mono would fit my symptoms _so_
>much better. It doesn't make much sense that I have been suffering of
>fever and fatigue for more than a month before. It doesn't usually
>happen with chicken pox I understand.
A MONTH? Good heavens. I felt crummy for a couple of DAYS
before the poxes appeared. I wonder if you had something
else in addition to chicken pox?
>
>Also, curiously, mononucleosis is a totally unknown disease here. I bet
>even if I had it my doctor wouldn't find out what it was.
Maybe not. I don't know what the tests for it are.
>
>> Nobody ever dabbed anything on me.
>
>So you just what, wandered around with crusty infections sores on you
>for a few weeks?
Well, I didn't wander around. I got slapped into isolation.
I should explain that at the time I was a student at the
University of California at Berkeley, whose Cowell Hospital
had the motto, "If you're sick enough that if you were at
home you'd go to bed, come here and we'll put you to bed." I
had already been there once for three or four days with flu.
The housemother rustled up somebody with a car and they
packed me off to Cowell before I could say "Chicken pox, who
would have thought?" and I was put in isolation for a week.
Did you end up with any scars for life, as my doctor
>tells me I will unless I constantly disinfect them?
I got one, on the bridge of my nose, which was visible for a
good long while. But it's been some fifty years now, and
while I can find it if I run my finger over it, it's quite
invisible now.
>
>> better part of fifty years ago. Acyclovir hadn't been
>> developed then so I don't know if it would work or not.
>> Chicken pox is yet one more herpes disease, like hives and
>> cold sores and other much nastier stuff.
>
>It's part of the same family of herpes viruses (which is why Acyclovir
>would work) but not exactly the same.
>
>> (Before I had the
>> pox, I got cold sores frequently and hives never; afterward
>> it was reversed. Go figure.)
>
>But now you could always get shingles as a late complication! Yay!
>
It would have to be an AWFULLY late complication. As I said,
fifty years....
Jette
Yup, Shingles can show up fifty years after you first had chickenpox.
It often shows up in elderly people. Even though they had the full
blown chickenpox as children and have had no problems since then. And
it's very nasty when it does.
netcat
> In article <MPG.24b48957b...@news.octanews.com>,
> netcat <net...@devnull.eridani.eol.ee> wrote:
> >Y'know, if I hadn't finally broken out, mono would fit my symptoms _so_
> >much better. It doesn't make much sense that I have been suffering of
> >fever and fatigue for more than a month before. It doesn't usually
> >happen with chicken pox I understand.
>
> A MONTH? Good heavens. I felt crummy for a couple of DAYS
> before the poxes appeared. I wonder if you had something
> else in addition to chicken pox?
That's what I'm wondering too. If I had something before I'm gonna keep
having it after chicken pox is over, too, I bet.
> >Also, curiously, mononucleosis is a totally unknown disease here. I bet
> >even if I had it my doctor wouldn't find out what it was.
>
> Maybe not. I don't know what the tests for it are.
Test for antibodies in the blood, I suppose.
> Did you end up with any scars for life, as my doctor
> >tells me I will unless I constantly disinfect them?
>
> I got one, on the bridge of my nose, which was visible for a
> good long while. But it's been some fifty years now, and
> while I can find it if I run my finger over it, it's quite
> invisible now.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH I so did not hear this lalalalala AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH
> >But now you could always get shingles as a late complication! Yay!
> >
> It would have to be an AWFULLY late complication. As I said,
> fifty years....
Yes, it can happen (happens) decades later. The virus never really
leaves the body.
rgds,
netcat
Dorothy J Heydt
netcat <net...@devnull.eridani.eol.ee> wrote:
>
>> Did you end up with any scars for life, as my doctor
>> >tells me I will unless I constantly disinfect them?
>>
>> I got one, on the bridge of my nose, which was visible for a
>> good long while. But it's been some fifty years now, and
>> while I can find it if I run my finger over it, it's quite
>> invisible now.
>
>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH I so did not hear this lalalalala AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH
??? It isn't as if anyone besides me knew it was there: it
was about the size of a peppercorn, the same color as the
rest of my skin, just slightly depressed. Like a smallpox
vaccination scar, only much much smaller.
Dorothy J Heydt
David Loewe, Jr. <dlo...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:22:24 +0300, netcat
><net...@devnull.eridani.eol.ee> wrote:
>
>>dave...@charter.net says...
>
>>> Had it as a child. You have my sympathy.
>>
>>Thanks.
>>
>>> Anti-itch creams and lotions.
>>
>>I don't exactly itch much at all. But I had high fever for several days
>>that did not respond to meds at all. That scared me.
>>
>>> >Why can't I? She said, nothing else works
>>> >that well. She didn't deign to explain why. So not only do I
>look like a
>>> >monster, I'm also dotted green all over. And it also doesn't wash off
>>> >very well, so even after I'm healed I'm gonna be greener than
>Spock. She
>>> >also prescribed me antibiotics (SMX-TMP)
>>>
>>> Wikipedia says that Brilliant Green (you were right, I'd never
>>> encountered that before) is a treatment for Gram-positive bacteria.
>>
>>More generally, it's used as a local antiseptic. Also as it is an
>>alcohol solution it has a drying effect. But it's so damn GREEN.
Any of you old enough to remember Gentian Violet? I was
painted with it for an attack of impetigo in, oh, 1950 or so.
It did clear the crusty bits up in about a week. But you have
never seen so bright a PURPLE in your life. (Fortunately, I
was about eight and didn't care.)
Harry Mary Andruschak
Sympathies. I had it as a kid, back in the early 1950s. In those
days, believe it or not, we even had "chickenpox parties". Parents
would bring their kids over to get the chickenpox and get it out of
the way.
But I am mildly surprised that, as an adult, you had not been given
the new vaccination.
Depending on your age now, you may want to talk to your Physician
about the new shingles vacceine.
Ben Yalow
>On Jun 30, 10:23=EF=BF=BDam, netcat <net...@devnull.eridani.eol.ee> wrote:
>> Case no. 1:
>>
>> I have varicella.
>Sympathies. I had it as a kid, back in the early 1950s. In those
>days, believe it or not, we even had "chickenpox parties". Parents
>would bring their kids over to get the chickenpox and get it out of
>the way.
When I first got it (during that time period), my parents comment to me
was, "Go play with your sister." -- and she got it shortly afterwards, so
it worked.
>But I am mildly surprised that, as an adult, you had not been given
>the new vaccination.
>Depending on your age now, you may want to talk to your Physician
>about the new shingles vacceine.
And I first started getting shingles about a decade after chicken pox.
Definitely, not fun.
Ben
--
Ben Yalow yb...@panix.com
Not speaking for anybody
netcat
> In <412ede24-45de-40cf...@37g2000yqp.googlegroups.com> Harry Mary Andruschak <adopts...@aol.com> writes:
> >But I am mildly surprised that, as an adult, you had not been given
> >the new vaccination.
It is not common in Europe to vaccinate against that. The vaccine exists
but my sources tell me our doctors consider it necessary only for people
with nonexistent or compromised immune systems, and pregnants and
neonates in close contact cases (and I presume they've got to be smart
enough to know they need it themselves, because I don't see anyone
offering or advertising).
rgds,
netcat
Dorothy J Heydt
Harry Mary Andruschak <adopts...@aol.com> wrote:
>On Jun 30, 10:23�am, netcat <net...@devnull.eridani.eol.ee> wrote:
>> Case no. 1:
>>
>> I have varicella.
>
>Sympathies. I had it as a kid, back in the early 1950s. In those
>days, believe it or not, we even had "chickenpox parties". Parents
>would bring their kids over to get the chickenpox and get it out of
>the way.
Oho! Not where I was living! (Born in 1942, I am a little
bit older than you.) My mother, an R.N., believed in keeping
kids AWAY from all the "childhood diseases," since current
theory was that if you didn't catch them in childhood you
never would catch them. Wrong-o. I had red measles (with
complications, kept me in the dark for two weeks) at eighteen
and chicken pox at nineteen. No fun whatever.
netcat
> In article <412ede24-45de-40cf...@37g2000yqp.googlegroups.com>,
> Harry Mary Andruschak <adopts...@aol.com> wrote:
> >> Case no. 1:
> >>
> >> I have varicella.
> >
> >Sympathies. I had it as a kid, back in the early 1950s. In those
> >days, believe it or not, we even had "chickenpox parties". Parents
> >would bring their kids over to get the chickenpox and get it out of
> >the way.
>
> Oho! Not where I was living! (Born in 1942, I am a little
> bit older than you.) My mother, an R.N., believed in keeping
> kids AWAY from all the "childhood diseases," since current
> theory was that if you didn't catch them in childhood you
> never would catch them. Wrong-o. I had red measles (with
> complications, kept me in the dark for two weeks) at eighteen
> and chicken pox at nineteen. No fun whatever.
I had the sense to get measles when I was a kid but this was the only
"childhood" disease I got. I was too busy being sick with tonsillitis to
go to kindergarten to catch them.
rgds,
netcat
Keith F. Lynch
> days, believe it or not, we even had "chickenpox parties". Parents
> would bring their kids over to get the chickenpox and get it out of
> the way.
Don't they still? There was a CNN news headline today saying that
doctors say that swine flu parties are a bad idea. To me this implies
that some parents were having them. The article didn't say that other
kinds of disease parties were a bad idea.
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Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.
Keith F. Lynch
>>> advised, as long as it is started within 24=3F48 hours from rash onset"
> Before Keith gets on my case, it's copying from a local browser into
> a newsreader running two chained remote desktop sessions away that
> did this. And it read as messed up in my own newsreader, as it
> probably did already when I pasted it.
If I haven't been complaining about people replacing space bars with
"=EF=BF=BD," I'm not likely to complain about a single "=3F." I'm
pleased that at least you're aware of the problem. Plenty of people
spew thousands of lines of gibberish HTML, mad tangles of angle
brackets, ampersands, and "MsoNormal" appended to each of their
emails, and when you ask then about it they have no clue what you're
talking about.
Keith F. Lynch
> It is hotter here than it has been for a while, and yes I have no
How hot is it? I'd think that at that high a latitude, and so close
to the sea, it would never get hot.
Dorothy J Heydt
Keith F. Lynch <k...@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
>Harry Mary Andruschak <adopts...@aol.com> wrote:
>> Sympathies. I had it as a kid, back in the early 1950s. In those
>> days, believe it or not, we even had "chickenpox parties". Parents
>> would bring their kids over to get the chickenpox and get it out of
>> the way.
>
>Don't they still? There was a CNN news headline today saying that
>doctors say that swine flu parties are a bad idea. To me this implies
>that some parents were having them. The article didn't say that other
>kinds of disease parties were a bad idea.
There was mention of that on BBC news today, too, but
"children" weren't mentioned, and I assumed it was a matter
of (not very bright) adults getting together to catch swine
flu now before it mutates in the fall or winter (as it might)
into something much nastier.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8125191.stm
A spokesman for the BMA, with characteristic understatement,
says this is not a good idea.
Karl Johanson
> I found out how truly easy it is for users of IE to get trojaned. I
> needed to visit a site that I knew would not render correctly anywhere
> but in IE and only accessible copy of IE at that time was totally
> insecure - nonupdated, nonfirewalled, no running antivirus and so on.
> But it was a known site (my old sports club) that I have visited
> countless times before, so no problem, right. And as soon as it gets
> there, it starts doing a request for a very weird Chinese domain, out of
> the blue.
>
> I killed the connection. I killed the browser. Lo and behold, two new
> processes running that I _did not start and do not recognise_. I kill
> those, search for any new files. They were deposited somewhere under the
> user settings directories in Windoze. File.exe and pdfupd.exe. I tried
> Kaspersky on them, but weird enough it didn't find them to suspect.
Try Kaspersky again. They update their database every 2 hours.
> Maybe need to try something else, a spyware tool, but I'm too sick and
> tired to care to dissect them, they were easy enough to contain.
I was senior QA on a quite good Anti-Spyware program with free scan mode. I
don't represent the company, so I'll let you know the product name & web
site by email, if you're interested.
> But for the love of! I have observed web sites getting "infected" left
> and right of me, lately, but it never occurred this might bite myself on
> the proverbial ass. I gotta get me some fresh paranoia, seem to have run
> out of that as of late.
Malware writers are estimated to have a budget in the area of $20 billion a
year. A good time to get protected. Even Mac has finally owned up that they
aren't bullet proof.
Karl Johanson
Keith F. Lynch
> Chicken pox is yet one more herpes disease, like hives and cold
> sores and other much nastier stuff.
Hives are a symptom, not a disease. The most common cause for hives
is an allergy.
Dorothy J Heydt
Keith F. Lynch <k...@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
>
>>>> advised, as long as it is started within 24=3F48 hours from rash onset"
>
>> Before Keith gets on my case, it's copying from a local browser into
>> a newsreader running two chained remote desktop sessions away that
>> did this. And it read as messed up in my own newsreader, as it
>> probably did already when I pasted it.
>
>If I haven't been complaining about people replacing space bars with
>"=EF=BF=BD," I'm not likely to complain about a single "=3F." I'm
>pleased that at least you're aware of the problem. Plenty of people
>spew thousands of lines of gibberish HTML, mad tangles of angle
>brackets, ampersands, and "MsoNormal" appended to each of their
>emails, and when you ask then about it they have no clue what you're
>talking about.
Most of the time I see posts of mine turned into thickets of
hash, it's on the second or third quoting: some of these
browsers seem to think that any occurrence of two spaces
together ought to be coded with something much more exotic
than a couple of spaces. Mine is straight ASCII: so
straight, indeed, that it can't read *any* esoteric code at
all.
Dorothy J Heydt
Keith F. Lynch <k...@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
>> It is hotter here than it has been for a while, and yes I have no
>> air conditioning, ...
>
>How hot is it? I'd think that at that high a latitude, and so close
>to the sea, it would never get hot.
Please remember, Keith, that moderately comfortable for you
would be bloody disgusting hot to most other people.
Keith F. Lynch
> it's on the second or third quoting: some of these browsers seem to
> think that any occurrence of two spaces together ought to be coded
> with something much more exotic than a couple of spaces.
That's the problem right there. Browsers are for web pages.
Newsreaders are for newsgroups.
Yes, I'm especially annoyed when it's my own posts that are mangled.
I have to restrain myself from insisting that they're misquoting me,
that I never said "=EF=BF=BD" even once, much less at the end of every
sentence. If they want to spew gibberish, fine, but please don't
falsely quote *me* as having said it.
Keith F. Lynch
> Malware writers are estimated to have a budget in the area of $20
> billion a year.
I'm skeptical. Who pays this? Are there 20,000 people each of whom
is willing to spend a million dollars to add one more computer virus
to the world? Or is it a smaller number of people paying more? Or
a larger number of people paying less? How many programmers does it
take to write a virus, anyway, and how long does it take them? Do
they work together in a suite of offices like a legitimate company?
Where do these rogue firms advertise for employees? Where do they
advertise for clients?
Keith F. Lynch
> be bloody disgusting hot to most other people.
That's why I asked for a number. A temperature.
Tallinn is further north than parts of Greenland and Alaska. Further
north than nearly all of Canada except the Northwest Territories,
Nunavut, and the Yukon.
I just Googled "Tallinn Weather" (without the quotes) and Google
itself told me it's currently 59 F (15 C) there. Is there anyone
here who would would consider that to be hot?
David Friedman
"Keith F. Lynch" <k...@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
> Karl Johanson <karljo...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> > Malware writers are estimated to have a budget in the area of $20
> > billion a year.
>
> I'm skeptical. Who pays this? Are there 20,000 people each of whom
> is willing to spend a million dollars to add one more computer virus
> to the world? Or is it a smaller number of people paying more? Or
> a larger number of people paying less? How many programmers does it
> take to write a virus, anyway, and how long does it take them? Do
> they work together in a suite of offices like a legitimate company?
> Where do these rogue firms advertise for employees? Where do they
> advertise for clients?
And how does anyone estimate their budget, and what are the incentives
of the people doing the estimating?
Dorothy J Heydt
Keith F. Lynch <k...@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
>> Most of the time I see posts of mine turned into thickets of hash,
>> it's on the second or third quoting: some of these browsers seem to
>> think that any occurrence of two spaces together ought to be coded
>> with something much more exotic than a couple of spaces.
>
>That's the problem right there. Browsers are for web pages.
>Newsreaders are for newsgroups.
That may well be. I use trn myself. I think that's a
newsreader. But if asked to define the difference between a
browser and a newsreader, I would say, "Duh."
>
>Yes, I'm especially annoyed when it's my own posts that are mangled.
>I have to restrain myself from insisting that they're misquoting me,
>that I never said "=EF=BF=BD" even once, much less at the end of every
>sentence. If they want to spew gibberish, fine, but please don't
>falsely quote *me* as having said it.
Same here; only I don't get upset about it. These things
were sent to try us.
David V. Loewe, Jr
wrote:
>Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
>> Please remember, Keith, that moderately comfortable for you would
>> be bloody disgusting hot to most other people.
>
>That's why I asked for a number. A temperature.
>
>Tallinn is further north than parts of Greenland and Alaska. Further
>north than nearly all of Canada except the Northwest Territories,
>Nunavut, and the Yukon.
>
>I just Googled "Tallinn Weather" (without the quotes) and Google
>itself told me it's currently 59 F (15 C) there. Is there anyone
>here who would would consider that to be hot?
Remember: It was the middle of the night when you looked.
--
"...you know, it seems to me you suffer from the problem of
wanting a tailored fit in an off the rack world."
Dennis Juds
Steve Coltrin
"Keith F. Lynch" <k...@KeithLynch.net> writes:
> Karl Johanson <karljo...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>> Malware writers are estimated to have a budget in the area of $20
>> billion a year.
>
> I'm skeptical. Who pays this? Are there 20,000 people each of whom
> is willing to spend a million dollars to add one more computer virus
> to the world? Or is it a smaller number of people paying more? Or
> a larger number of people paying less? How many programmers does it
> take to write a virus, anyway, and how long does it take them? Do
> they work together in a suite of offices like a legitimate company?
> Where do these rogue firms advertise for employees? Where do they
> advertise for clients?
I don't know the answers to any of those questions, but I'm a lot less
skeptical than you are. We're talking, after all, of stealing from
a million people for the same effort as stealing from one.
And malware writers are targeting some truly small niches. From
http://www.petfoodalpha.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=2068&sid=83d8b6436ed0576b38b52589ef4119d7 :
"Then just this week due to me having my phone stolen I was forced to
use my computer as an alarm and started leaving my speakers on at
night. At about 4 am i was woken up to hearing the POL login music
playing, by the time i gotten into the room to see the music had
stopped. I thought maybe I had really started having my mind playing
tricks on me while I was half asleep but sat down at my desk and
looked at my mail. After having closed the window I must have dozed
for a second because suddenly i heard the music again and the POL
window was open again. Thinking i had maybe opened it by mistake i
closed it immediately, then I see the mouse cursor move on its own. It
moves across my desktop to the start menu goes through the program
list and chooses POL viewer and then proceeds to connect to POL but is
immediately stopped at the one time password blank and proceeds to
close out POL on its own."
("POL" means PlayOnline, the launcher program for Final Fantasy XI, a
massively multiplayer online role-playing game that has recently
started offering hardware security tokens to help alleviate character
theft. Sorry about the long link. The page looks like crap in lynx,
as the paragraphs are not distinguished from each other; I've
excerpted the meat.)
(Can lynx be set to reject all cookies without asking the user? Thanks.)
--
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"A group known as the League of Human Dignity helped arrange for Deuel
to be driven to a local livestock scale, where he could be weighed."
- Associated Press
Harry Mary Andruschak
> In article <h2eaio$on...@panix1.panix.com>,
> Keith F. Lynch <k...@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
>
> >> Sympathies. �I had it as a kid, back in the early 1950s. In those
> >> days, believe it or not, we even had "chickenpox parties". �Parents
> >> would bring their kids over to get the chickenpox and get it out of
> >> the way.
>
> >Don't they still? �There was a CNN news headline today saying that
> >doctors say that swine flu parties are a bad idea. �To me this implies
> >that some parents were having them. �The article didn't say that other
> >kinds of disease parties were a bad idea.
>
> There was mention of that on BBC news today, too, but
> "children" weren't mentioned, and I assumed it was a matter
> of (not very bright) adults getting together to catch swine
> flu now before it mutates in the fall or winter (as it might)
> into something much nastier.
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8125191.stm
>
> A spokesman for the BMA, with characteristic understatement,
> says this is not a good idea.
And here's an even worse variation on the theme...
David Goldfarb
Jette <boss...@scotlandmail.com> wrote:
>Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> In article <MPG.24b48957b...@news.octanews.com>,
>> netcat <net...@devnull.eridani.eol.ee> wrote:
>>> But now you could always get shingles as a late complication! Yay!
>>>
>> It would have to be an AWFULLY late complication. As I said,
>> fifty years....
>
>Yup, Shingles can show up fifty years after you first had chickenpox.
> It often shows up in elderly people. Even though they had the full
>blown chickenpox as children and have had no problems since then. And
>it's very nasty when it does.
There's a vaccine for it now, though, isn't there? At least, I can
recall seeing a sign in a supermarket advertising shingles vaccination.
--
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David Goldfarb
>Keith F. Lynch <k...@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
>>netcat <net...@devnull.eridani.eol.ee> wrote:
>>> It is hotter here than it has been for a while, and yes I have no
>>> air conditioning, ...
>>
>>How hot is it? I'd think that at that high a latitude, and so close
>>to the sea, it would never get hot.
>
>Please remember, Keith, that moderately comfortable for you
>would be bloody disgusting hot to most other people.
Charlie Stross made a post on his LJ recently in which he complained
about the sweltering heat he was experiencing in his Scottish home -- it
was a whole 23 degrees! He got about as much sympathy in his comments
page as you might expect.
I'm just completing my first month in Houston, and I bet Keith would
love the heat at least -- highs in the range of 95-105 every single day.
I don't know how he feels about humidity: 60%+ every day.
(Actually it was a little cooler today, because we had a thunderstorm.
I managed to pick the worst possible time to walk out for groceries:
I got soaked to the skin on the ten minute walk back. Ever gotten water
in your eyes in the shower, and had them sting until you could dry them
on a towel? I've never had that happen in the rain before...until now.
And I couldn't dry them, either, until I got home. At least it was warm!
Back home, when it rains hard it's usually rain come down from the Gulf
of Alaska and is terribly cold.)
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gold...@ocf.berkeley.edu | lifeblood of the Net."
gold...@csua.berkeley.edu | -- Dawn Friedman
Morris Keesan
<gold...@ocf.berkeley.edu> wrote:
> There's a vaccine for it now, though, isn't there? At least, I can
> recall seeing a sign in a supermarket advertising shingles vaccination.
Yes. Unfortunately, the vaccine isn't recommended for use by people who
have already
experienced attacks of shingles.
Morris Keesan
wrote:
> Can lynx be set to reject all cookies without asking the user? Thanks.)
Yes. Under "Options"/"Cookies" you have the choices "ignore", "accept
all", and "ask user".
netcat
> In article <h2edfk$ahd$1...@panix1.panix.com>,
> Keith F. Lynch <k...@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
> >Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
> >> Most of the time I see posts of mine turned into thickets of hash,
> >> it's on the second or third quoting: some of these browsers seem to
> >> think that any occurrence of two spaces together ought to be coded
> >> with something much more exotic than a couple of spaces.
> >
> >That's the problem right there. Browsers are for web pages.
> >Newsreaders are for newsgroups.
>
> That may well be. I use trn myself. I think that's a
> newsreader. But if asked to define the difference between a
> browser and a newsreader, I would say, "Duh."
Browsers speak http to web servers and newsreaders speak nntp to news
servers. That's one pretty basic difference. There are others.
> >Yes, I'm especially annoyed when it's my own posts that are mangled.
> >I have to restrain myself from insisting that they're misquoting me,
> >that I never said "=EF=BF=BD" even once, much less at the end of every
> >sentence. If they want to spew gibberish, fine, but please don't
> >falsely quote *me* as having said it.
> Same here; only I don't get upset about it. These things
> were sent to try us.
No they weren't. They're inconsequential and purposeless, just as dust
motes are to those who are not allergic to them, but if there gets to be
too much of dust it ceases to be inconsequential motes and becomes an
irritant.
rgds,
netcat
netcat
dave...@charter.net says...
> On 30 Jun 2009 21:30:05 -0400, "Keith F. Lynch" <k...@KeithLynch.net>
> wrote:
>
> >Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
>
> >> Please remember, Keith, that moderately comfortable for you would
> >> be bloody disgusting hot to most other people.
> >
> >That's why I asked for a number. A temperature.
> >
> >Tallinn is further north than parts of Greenland and Alaska. Further
> >north than nearly all of Canada except the Northwest Territories,
> >Nunavut, and the Yukon.
> >
> >I just Googled "Tallinn Weather" (without the quotes) and Google
> >itself told me it's currently 59 F (15 C) there. Is there anyone
> >here who would would consider that to be hot?
>
> Remember: It was the middle of the night when you looked.
Thanks for making me laugh. The both of you. Seriously.
rgds,
netcat
netcat
> netcat <net...@devnull.eridani.eol.ee> wrote:
> > It is hotter here than it has been for a while, and yes I have no
> > air conditioning, ...
>
> How hot is it? I'd think that at that high a latitude, and so close
> to the sea, it would never get hot.
I'm reading 24C in the shade, outside next to a concrete wall.
It's warmer inside. I don't have a reliable indoors thermometer but my
phone thinks it's 27C. It was hotter for the first half of the day when
sun shone directly inside (all my apartment windows face east).
I'm not saying this is 'hot' hot, I think it's about what I consider
comfortable for a lazy summer day, perhaps not optimum for taxing
physical work, but fine for lounging around. It's hot compared to the
fact that we've just had a long cold spring where the average temp was
not higher than 12C for 4 months or so. I was so fed up with that.
rgds,
netcat
netcat
> Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
> > Please remember, Keith, that moderately comfortable for you would
> > be bloody disgusting hot to most other people.
>
> That's why I asked for a number. A temperature.
>
> Tallinn is further north than parts of Greenland and Alaska. Further
> north than nearly all of Canada except the Northwest Territories,
> Nunavut, and the Yukon.
Yeah, and Michigan U.P. where I went as an exchange student shares
latitudes with Italy, IIRC. And it's a g-damn Siberia there in the
wintertime.
rgds,
netcat
netcat
I'm not installing anything new on this box. It's been on it's way out
for the past half year, and the only reason it's not yet is my coming
down with this. And you'll fall over in surprise when I tell you how old
it is.
rgds,
netcat
netcat
> In article <vKu2m.49780$OO7....@text.news.virginmedia.com>,
> Jette <boss...@scotlandmail.com> wrote:
> >Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> >> In article <MPG.24b48957b...@news.octanews.com>,
> >> netcat <net...@devnull.eridani.eol.ee> wrote:
> >>> But now you could always get shingles as a late complication! Yay!
> >>>
> >> It would have to be an AWFULLY late complication. As I said,
> >> fifty years....
> >
> >Yup, Shingles can show up fifty years after you first had chickenpox.
> > It often shows up in elderly people. Even though they had the full
> >blown chickenpox as children and have had no problems since then. And
> >it's very nasty when it does.
>
> There's a vaccine for it now, though, isn't there? At least, I can
> recall seeing a sign in a supermarket advertising shingles vaccination.
Kindly would anyone let me know the name of this product? I read some
articles, but the latest from 2007 talked about a vaccine that was only
approved for over 60-year-olds.
rgds,
netcat
Steve Coltrin
"Morris Keesan" <kee...@alum.bu.edu> writes:
I want cookies disabled now and forever, and that's one of the options
it won't allow to be saved. Whose retarded idea was that?
rksh...@rosettacondot.com
I've noticed that as well... discomfort has as much to do with change in
temperature from what you're used to as it does with the temperature
itself (within reason, of course). In the middle of winter an outside
temperature of 16C feels like a nice warm day to me. In the middle of
summer 30C feels pleasantly cool. 25-26C would be a typical air-conditioned
room here.
Robert
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Philip Chee
> Charlie Stross made a post on his LJ recently in which he complained
> about the sweltering heat he was experiencing in his Scottish home -- it
> was a whole 23 degrees! He got about as much sympathy in his comments
> page as you might expect.
Well, over hear 4 degrees North of the equator, I've set my air
conditioner to 25 Celcius.
Phil
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oh Night, and so be good for us to pass.
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Philip Chee
> Browsers speak http to web servers and newsreaders speak nntp to news
> servers. That's one pretty basic difference. There are others.
Well SeaMonkey (to which I contribute code) has a browser component and
a mail/newsreader component. The browser component can talk nntp to news
servers, and the newsreader/mail component can talk html to web servers.
The differences these days are getting rather blurred.
Phil
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Kip Williams
> I've noticed that as well... discomfort has as much to do with change in
> temperature from what you're used to as it does with the temperature
> itself (within reason, of course). In the middle of winter an outside
> temperature of 16C feels like a nice warm day to me. In the middle of
> summer 30C feels pleasantly cool. 25-26C would be a typical air-conditioned
> room here.
With six degrees of separation, you could cook bacon.
Kip W
Morris Keesan
wrote:
> Kindly would anyone let me know the name of this product? I read some
> articles, but the latest from 2007 talked about a vaccine that was only
> approved for over 60-year-olds.
I don't recall the name of it, but as I recall, when it was released in the
US, it wasn't that it was only approved for over-60s, but that it was only
recommended for routine administration to people over 60. I discussed it
with my doctor, and was told that it wouldn't be of any use to me, not
because
I'm under 60, but because I've already had shingles.
David Friedman
"Morris Keesan" <kee...@alum.bu.edu> wrote:
I don't know your source for that, but the CDC web page on it says:
---
Can the shingles vaccine be given to people who have already had
shingles?
Yes. People who have had shingles can receive the shingles vaccine to
help prevent future occurrences of the disease. This is true no matter
when they first got shingles.
---
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd-vac/shingles/vac-faqs.htm
On the other hand, it also says:
---
Most commonly, a person has only one episode of shingles in his/her
lifetime. Although rare, a second or even third case of shingles can
occur.
---
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd-vac/shingles/dis-faqs.htm
Which suggests that, after one episode, the benefit of vaccination is
less.
netcat
> On Wed, 1 Jul 2009 17:03:46 +0300, netcat wrote:
>
> > Browsers speak http to web servers and newsreaders speak nntp to news
> > servers. That's one pretty basic difference. There are others.
>
> Well SeaMonkey (to which I contribute code) has a browser component and
> a mail/newsreader component. The browser component can talk nntp to news
> servers, and the newsreader/mail component can talk html to web servers.
> The differences these days are getting rather blurred.
My memories of the time I used Netscape 3 are getting blurry but I think
it included a news client even then. It certainly did later, as did
Mozilla.
rgds,
netcat
rksh...@rosettacondot.com
I suspect it's the same one... the Merck & Co. vaccine marketed as
Zostavax, at least in the US. It was only approved in the US for
age 60+ because that was the study population (and the most-impacted
segment of the population.) If it's given to anyone younger it's done
so "off label", which is not typically illegal in the US. The FDA
regulates how the drug/vaccine can be marketed but doesn't control
how it's prescribed.
I noticed that the vaccine was only about 50% effective in testing,
although given what my mom went through with shingles even improving the
odds that much would be worth it.
netcat
rksh...@rosettacondot.com says...
> > Kindly would anyone let me know the name of this product? I read some
> > articles, but the latest from 2007 talked about a vaccine that was only
> > approved for over 60-year-olds.
>
> I suspect it's the same one... the Merck & Co. vaccine marketed as
> Zostavax, at least in the US.
Found it:
http://193.40.10.165/register/register.php?keel=eng&inim_vet=inim&lk=2
&id=21260
but another resource tells me it's not actually sold anywhere.
rgds,
netcat
Morris Keesan
<dd...@daviddfriedman.nopsam.com> wrote:
> In article <op.uwd3sapbakl9p6@toshiba-laptop>,
> "Morris Keesan" <kee...@alum.bu.edu> wrote:
>> Yes. Unfortunately, the vaccine isn't recommended for use by people who
>> have already
>> experienced attacks of shingles.
>
> I don't know your source for that, but the CDC web page on it says:
> ---
> Can the shingles vaccine be given to people who have already had
> shingles?
>
> Yes. People who have had shingles can receive the shingles vaccine to
> help prevent future occurrences of the disease. This is true no matter
> when they first got shingles.
Thanks for that. My source was my doctor, when I asked him about it when
the vaccine
first hit the news, after my second encounter with the symptoms. Some of
the good
news is that Acyclovir cleared it up amazingly fast, after I had spent a
few months
thinking that I had a particularly severe, and particularly persistent,
case of
poison ivy rash.
Keith F. Lynch
> phi...@aleytys.pc.my says...
>> Well SeaMonkey (to which I contribute code) has a browser component
>> and a mail/newsreader component. The browser component can talk
>> nntp to news servers, and the newsreader/mail component can talk
>> html to web servers. The differences these days are getting rather
>> blurred.
> My memories of the time I used Netscape 3 are getting blurry but I
> think it included a news client even then. It certainly did later,
> as did Mozilla.
Just so long as neither of them stuff HTML, MIME, or proprietary
Microsoft characters into newsgroup postings.
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Keith F. Lynch
> On the other hand, it also says:
> ---
> Most commonly, a person has only one episode of shingles in his/her
> lifetime. Although rare, a second or even third case of shingles
> can occur.
> ---
> http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd-vac/shingles/dis-faqs.htm
> Which suggests that, after one episode, the benefit of vaccination
> is less.
That doesn't follow. If one percent of all people get shingles, and
two percent of those who get shingles get a second case of shingles,
then the vaccine is of of *greater* use to those who have had shingles
than to those who haven't, even though getting it twice is rare.
If the TSA catches someone trying to smuggle a bomb onto a plane,
should they not bother to check the other people waiting to board?
After all, it's very rare for *two* people to attempt to smuggle
bombs onto the same flight.
Keith F. Lynch
> "Morris Keesan" <kee...@alum.bu.edu> writes:
>> Steve Coltrin <spco...@omcl.org> wrote:
>>> Can lynx be set to reject all cookies without asking the user?
>>> Thanks.)
>> Yes. Under "Options"/"Cookies" you have the choices "ignore",
>> "accept all", and "ask user".
> I want cookies disabled now and forever, and that's one of the
> options it won't allow to be saved. Whose retarded idea was that?
I have
alias lynx 'lynx -cookies never ~/lynx_bookmarks.html'
in my .login. It does exactly what you want. Which is also
what I want.
If I want cookies turned on for a session, I just type
lynx -cookies
Keith F. Lynch
> I'm reading 24C in the shade, outside next to a concrete wall.
Thanks. That's 75F. It's about the same here, outdoors. So I have
the heat turned on.
> I don't have a reliable indoors thermometer but my phone thinks
> it's 27C.
My phone doesn't have an opinion on the indoor temperature. There's
a number I can dial to learn the outdoor temperature.
Keith F. Lynch
> Charlie Stross made a post on his LJ recently in which he complained
> about the sweltering heat he was experiencing in his Scottish home
> -- it was a whole 23 degrees! He got about as much sympathy in his
> comments page as you might expect.
As much sympathy as I'd get if I were to complain about the *cold* at
that temperature (73 F)?
> I'm just completing my first month in Houston, and I bet Keith would
> love the heat at least -- highs in the range of 95-105 every single
> day. I don't know how he feels about humidity: 60%+ every day.
I don't mind humidity so long as it's clean humidity. I don't like
dirty air.
I don't like getting caught in heavy rainstorms no matter how warm it
is. Wet cloth rubs my skin raw after a few miles.
David Friedman
"Keith F. Lynch" <k...@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
> David Friedman <dd...@daviddfriedman.nopsam.com> wrote:
> > On the other hand, it also says:
> > ---
> > Most commonly, a person has only one episode of shingles in his/her
> > lifetime. Although rare, a second or even third case of shingles
> > can occur.
> > ---
> > http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd-vac/shingles/dis-faqs.htm
>
> > Which suggests that, after one episode, the benefit of vaccination
> > is less.
>
> That doesn't follow. If one percent of all people get shingles, and
> two percent of those who get shingles get a second case of shingles,
> then the vaccine is of of *greater* use to those who have had shingles
> than to those who haven't, even though getting it twice is rare.
I gather the number who get it is a lot higher than one percent, and I
took the comment to imply that the probability of getting it a second
time given that you got it once was lower than the probability of
getting it once.
Steve Coltrin
"Keith F. Lynch" <k...@KeithLynch.net> writes:
> Steve Coltrin <spco...@omcl.org> wrote:
>
>> I want cookies disabled now and forever, and that's one of the
>> options it won't allow to be saved. Whose retarded idea was that?
>
> I have
>
> alias lynx 'lynx -cookies never ~/lynx_bookmarks.html'
>
> in my .login. It does exactly what you want. Which is also
> what I want.
Indeed, but if it can't be done internally to lynx, I'm more inclined
to patch the source and rebuild.
(Given my lazy nature and how infrequently I use lynx, what I'll
probably do instead is keep on as usual, and daydream of mailing a box
of cat turds to the lynx devels.)
Philip Chee
> netcat <net...@devnull.eridani.eol.ee> wrote:
>> phi...@aleytys.pc.my says...
>>> Well SeaMonkey (to which I contribute code) has a browser component
>>> and a mail/newsreader component. The browser component can talk
>>> nntp to news servers, and the newsreader/mail component can talk
>>> html to web servers. The differences these days are getting rather
>>> blurred.
>
>> My memories of the time I used Netscape 3 are getting blurry but I
>> think it included a news client even then. It certainly did later,
>> as did Mozilla.
>
> Just so long as neither of them stuff HTML, MIME,
Well we /do/ allow you to stuff html and mime into newsgroup postings.
But we hide the settings that allow you to do so in carefully obscured
locations - a perpetual source of complaints in our support forums from
the web 2.0 generation.
> or proprietary
> Microsoft characters into newsgroup postings.
We actually sanitize the html going out (or coming in) to a carefully
limited set of 'safe' tags. Another source of complaints from the uppity
youtube generation.
In SeaMonkey 1.x (and Thunderbird 2.0) somewhere deeply buried in our
options is the ability to turn on javascript when reading news/mail
(it's off by default). In SeaMonkey 2.0 (and Thunderbird 3.0 - most of
the non UI code is shared) we have totally disabled javascript for
mail/news with no possibility of turning it back on (unless you know how
to recompile the source code). The amount of rage, angst, and hate mail
resulting was simply amazing. People actually threatened to switch to
Outlook if we didn't rescind that change. We just sneered (politely) at
their hollow threats.
Phil
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Joy Beeson
Heydt) wrote:
> ??? It isn't as if anyone besides me knew it was there: it
> was about the size of a peppercorn, the same color as the
> rest of my skin, just slightly depressed. Like a smallpox
> vaccination scar, only much much smaller.
I have -- or had; it's kind of lost in the wrinkles -- one of those
high on my right cheek. Mom said it was because I scratched a pock
open. I didn't think to ask how she kept me from scratching my other
itchy spots.
Nor did I think to ask whether I'd already developed the habit of
throwing up whenever I was even the teensiest bit ill. (Boy, am I
glad that I eventually grew out of *that*.)
Joy Beeson
--
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The above message is a Usenet post.
I don't recall having given anyone permission to use it on a Web site.
netcat
> netcat <net...@devnull.eridani.eol.ee> wrote:
> > I'm reading 24C in the shade, outside next to a concrete wall.
>
> Thanks. That's 75F. It's about the same here, outdoors. So I have
> the heat turned on.
>
> > I don't have a reliable indoors thermometer but my phone thinks
> > it's 27C.
>
> My phone doesn't have an opinion on the indoor temperature.
Mine does.
It also has an opinion on the ambient noise level.
I haven't verified either of those for accuracy.
rgds,
netcat
Keith F. Lynch
> "Keith F. Lynch" <k...@KeithLynch.net> writes:
>> I have
>> alias lynx 'lynx -cookies never ~/lynx_bookmarks.html'
>> in my .login. It does exactly what you want. Which is also
>> what I want.
> Indeed, but if it can't be done internally to lynx, I'm more
> inclined to patch the source and rebuild.
Why bother? What's wrong with my method?
David Goldfarb
Keith F. Lynch <k...@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
>> Charlie Stross made a post on his LJ recently in which he complained
>> about the sweltering heat he was experiencing in his Scottish home
>> -- it was a whole 23 degrees! He got about as much sympathy in his
>> comments page as you might expect.
>
>As much sympathy as I'd get if I were to complain about the *cold* at
>that temperature (73 F)?
Yeah, pretty much. He complained again in a later LJ post and someone
accused him of trolling.
>> I'm just completing my first month in Houston, and I bet Keith would
>> love the heat at least -- highs in the range of 95-105 every single
>> day. I don't know how he feels about humidity: 60%+ every day.
>
>I don't mind humidity so long as it's clean humidity. I don't like
>dirty air.
Well, so far as I can tell the air in Houston seems to be about the
same as that of most major cities -- it's no Los Angeles, but it's
not exactly the Rocky Mountains, either.
--
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gold...@ocf.berkeley.edu | "Are we dead?"
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Steve Coltrin
"Keith F. Lynch" <k...@KeithLynch.net> writes:
> Steve Coltrin <spco...@omcl.org> wrote:
>> "Keith F. Lynch" <k...@KeithLynch.net> writes:
>>> I have
>>> alias lynx 'lynx -cookies never ~/lynx_bookmarks.html'
>>> in my .login. It does exactly what you want. Which is also
>>> what I want.
>
>> Indeed, but if it can't be done internally to lynx, I'm more
>> inclined to patch the source and rebuild.
>
> Why bother? What's wrong with my method?
Your method is a method I do not want to use. Mine is the method
that I would want to use, if I were to bother to do anything at all.
Karl Johanson
> Karl Johanson <karljo...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>> Malware writers are estimated to have a budget in the area of $20
>> billion a year.
>
> I'm skeptical.
Good. Skeptical is the opposite of gullible.
I should have been more clear that the estimate is very rough. I'm trying to
track down the reference with the estimate.
> Who pays this?
Spammers. People who want credit card numbers. People who want PayPal or
banking passwords. People who want to sell fake anti-malware programs.
People who want access to competing companies' information. People who want
to damage the computers of competing companies, or nations they don't like.
Companies who want intrusive ads to appear on people's computers.
Advertising companies who want to track web use so they can target users
with ads most likely to appeal to them. People willing to put 'ransomware'
on other's computers. People who want to hack into other people's computers
to look around. People who want to drop fake affiliate cookies onto people's
computers. To name a few.
There's also 'borderline' stuff like tracking cookies, which can be used by
third parties to track web use (as apposed to just the company which
inserted the cookie being able to track your web use on their web pages), or
games which include use loggers (including key loggers in some cases) which
can easily be mis-used (I deleted some games which have this feature).
There're key loggers which may have been installed by the computer's owner,
but which might have been installed illegitimately. Etc.
>Are there 20,000 people each of whom
> is willing to spend a million dollars to add one more computer virus
> to the world?
20,000 a year?
> Or is it a smaller number of people paying more? Or
> a larger number of people paying less?
I know a team that uses searching bots coupled with heuristic detection
systems and human reviewers, who are finding around 15,000 new malwares per
*week*. As above, they aren't all virus style vandleware. That's just one
anti-malware spotting team. That's part of why I use active protection
systems and a system which block lists known malware loading websites.
>How many programmers does it
> take to write a virus, anyway, and how long does it take them?
Dunno.
>Do
> they work together in a suite of offices like a legitimate company?
I assume some do.
> Where do these rogue firms advertise for employees?
I assume they recruit pretty much the same way any other criminal
organization recruits. I assume some of their employees don't know what they
do.
> Where do they advertise for clients?
On internet forums often.
Karl Johanson
Keith F. Lynch
> I assume they recruit pretty much the same way any other criminal
> organization recruits.
Most criminal organizations are either very small or consist of
extended families. Openly advertising for large numbers of criminal
employees would risk police attention and infiltration.
William December Starr
"Keith F. Lynch" <k...@KeithLynch.net> said:
> Karl Johanson <karljo...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>> I assume they recruit pretty much the same way any other criminal
>> organization recruits.
>
> Most criminal organizations are either very small or consist of
> extended families. Openly advertising for large numbers of
> criminal employees would risk police attention and infiltration.
Not in jurisdictions where the police don't care.
-- wds
Keith F. Lynch
> "Keith F. Lynch" <k...@KeithLynch.net> said:
>> Karl Johanson <karljo...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>> I assume they recruit pretty much the same way any other criminal
>>> organization recruits.
>> Most criminal organizations are either very small or consist
>> of extended families. Openly advertising for large numbers of
>> criminal employees would risk police attention and infiltration.
> Not in jurisdictions where the police don't care.
Good point. But then where are these ads? Has anyone seen any?
(No, I'm not looking for a job as a criminal.)
Sean O'Hara
declared:
> Karl Johanson <karljo...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>> I assume they recruit pretty much the same way any other criminal
>> organization recruits.
>
> Most criminal organizations are either very small or consist of
> extended families. Openly advertising for large numbers of criminal
> employees would risk police attention and infiltration.
In the US. Russia, not so much.
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Dorothy J Heydt
Keith F. Lynch <k...@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
>William December Starr <wds...@panix.com> wrote:
>> "Keith F. Lynch" <k...@KeithLynch.net> said:
>>> Karl Johanson <karljo...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>>> I assume they recruit pretty much the same way any other criminal
>>>> organization recruits.
>
>>> Most criminal organizations are either very small or consist
>>> of extended families. Openly advertising for large numbers of
>>> criminal employees would risk police attention and infiltration.
>
>> Not in jurisdictions where the police don't care.
>
>Good point. But then where are these ads? Has anyone seen any?
>(No, I'm not looking for a job as a criminal.)
Surely there's some sort of ... ahem ... old boys' network?
(in prisons, for example, where young punks who've been
working on their own can get recruited.)
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at hotmail dot com
Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the hotmail edress.
Kithrup is getting too damn much spam, even with the sysop's filters.
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at hotmail dot com
Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the hotmail edress.
Kithrup is getting too damn much spam, even with the sysop's filters.
Philip Chee
> William December Starr <wds...@panix.com> wrote:
>> "Keith F. Lynch" <k...@KeithLynch.net> said:
>>> Karl Johanson <karljo...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>>> I assume they recruit pretty much the same way any other criminal
>>>> organization recruits.
>
>>> Most criminal organizations are either very small or consist
>>> of extended families. Openly advertising for large numbers of
>>> criminal employees would risk police attention and infiltration.
>
>> Not in jurisdictions where the police don't care.
>
> Good point. But then where are these ads? Has anyone seen any?
> (No, I'm not looking for a job as a criminal.)
There are the so called "darknets" where such services are bought and
sold. It takes a lot of effort to infiltrate and they shift constantly.
Phil
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netcat
says...
> "Keith F. Lynch" <k...@KeithLynch.net> wrote in message
>
> I assume they recruit pretty much the same way any other criminal
> organization recruits. I assume some of their employees don't know what they
> do.
>
> > Where do they advertise for clients?
>
> On internet forums often.
I've even gotten spam from them :)
rgds,
netcat
David V. Loewe, Jr
wrote:
>On 6 Jul 2009 22:33:59 -0400, Keith F. Lynch wrote:
>> William December Starr <wds...@panix.com> wrote:
>>> "Keith F. Lynch" <k...@KeithLynch.net> said:
>>>> Karl Johanson <karljo...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>>>> I assume they recruit pretty much the same way any other criminal
>>>>> organization recruits.
>>
>>>> Most criminal organizations are either very small or consist
>>>> of extended families. Openly advertising for large numbers of
>>>> criminal employees would risk police attention and infiltration.
>>
>>> Not in jurisdictions where the police don't care.
>>
>> Good point. But then where are these ads? Has anyone seen any?
>> (No, I'm not looking for a job as a criminal.)
>
>There are the so called "darknets" where such services are bought and
>sold. It takes a lot of effort to infiltrate and they shift constantly.
Internet Relay Chat?
--
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mealymouthed way of saying, Us, and not them, where them includes poor
people, snake handlers and those with pierced tongues."
- Barbara Ehrenreich
Ben Yalow
>On 6 Jul 2009 22:33:59 -0400, Keith F. Lynch wrote:
>> William December Starr <wds...@panix.com> wrote:
>>> "Keith F. Lynch" <k...@KeithLynch.net> said:
>>>> Karl Johanson <karljo...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>>>> I assume they recruit pretty much the same way any other criminal
>>>>> organization recruits.
>>
>>>> Most criminal organizations are either very small or consist
>>>> of extended families. Openly advertising for large numbers of
>>>> criminal employees would risk police attention and infiltration.
>>
>>> Not in jurisdictions where the police don't care.
>>
>> Good point. But then where are these ads? Has anyone seen any?
>> (No, I'm not looking for a job as a criminal.)
>There are the so called "darknets" where such services are bought and
>sold. It takes a lot of effort to infiltrate and they shift constantly.
True. Although the BBC didn't seem to have any real trouble when they
bought their 22000 hacked machine botnet (in the public interest, of
course -- and, after they'd sent out their spam messages, they did tell
the owners of the machines).
See
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2009/03/click_botnet_experiment.html
>Phil
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Not speaking for anybody
Keith F. Lynch
> There are the so called "darknets" where such services are bought
> and sold. It takes a lot of effort to infiltrate and they shift
> constantly.
So computer criminals need a lot of skill just to find ads for
their services?
Keith F. Lynch
> Keith F. Lynch <k...@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
>> Good point. But then where are these ads? Has anyone seen any?
>> (No, I'm not looking for a job as a criminal.)
> Surely there's some sort of ... ahem ... old boys' network?
> (in prisons, for example, where young punks who've been working on
> their own can get recruited.)
Maybe, but in my experience the vast majority of prisoners are far
too stupid.
David Loewe, Jr.
wrote:
>Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
>> Keith F. Lynch <k...@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
>>> Good point. But then where are these ads? Has anyone seen any?
>>> (No, I'm not looking for a job as a criminal.)
>
>> Surely there's some sort of ... ahem ... old boys' network?
>
>> (in prisons, for example, where young punks who've been working on
>> their own can get recruited.)
>
>Maybe, but in my experience the vast majority of prisoners are far
>too stupid.
You just need a few. Kevin Mitnick, anyone?
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dougberry
mysterious wds...@panix.com (William December Starr) spoke thusly in
rec.arts.sf.fandom:
Not always true. I did a lot of research on criminal organizations for
a Traveller supplement that never got published.
The genesis of most organized crime groups is found in communities
that are isolated or ostracized from the majority population. The
community, distrustful of the legal authorities, look to local leaders
who amass great power. Denied access to the usual lines of success,
such groups turn to criminal activity.
Look at the evolution of the gangs in New York City. The first big
gangs were the Irish, who were seriously oppressed in the mid-19th
century. Then came the Italian immigrants, who brought with them the
Sicilian mafia who served as organizers and fixers in Little Italy.
Once the Families went big time, it was the Puerto Rican and
Dominicans. Oddly, African-America street gangs don't appear in any
strength until the late 1950s.
In each case, the gangs became powerful enough to actually control
neighborhoods and own politicians. It became easier to pay off the
leaders than enforce the laws.
In such cases, open recruitment is simple. Everyone knows who the
Godfather and his lieutenants are. You offer your services to the
family without reservation, and maybe you get a job running numbers.
From there, you move up.
Here in San Francisco, the Chinese Tongs filled the same void. You
were literally born into a Tong, and during the 19th and early 20th
century it was the only civil protection Chinese had in the Bay Area.
Being a Tong soldier was something to be admired.
As assimilation continues, the need for gang protection fades as
legitimate money and power flows into the community. But there is a
window where the gang life is respectable and an important part of
life.
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Philip Chee
> Philip Chee <phi...@aleytys.pc.my> wrote:
>> There are the so called "darknets" where such services are bought
>> and sold. It takes a lot of effort to infiltrate and they shift
>> constantly.
>
> So computer criminals need a lot of skill just to find ads for
> their services?
Think of it as a filter.
cryptoguy
re.
>
> If the TSA catches someone trying to smuggle a bomb onto a plane,
> should they not bother to check the other people waiting to board?
> After all, it's very rare for *two* people to attempt to smuggle
> bombs onto the same flight.
False logic, and you know it.
While it's true that a given organization is unlikely to try to
smuggle two bombs onto a plane, unless there is some special reason to
target *that* particular flight (like, it has a hated VIP on board),
the presence of an IRA bomb, say, doesn't change the probability of an
AQ bomb being carried by a different terrorist.
pt
cryptoguy
> Dorothy J Heydt <djhe...@kithrup.com> wrote:
>
> > Please remember, Keith, that moderately comfortable for you would
> > be bloody disgusting hot to most other people.
>
> That's why I asked for a number. A temperature.
>
> Tallinn is further north than parts of Greenland and Alaska. Further
> north than nearly all of Canada except the Northwest Territories,
> Nunavut, and the Yukon.
>
> I just Googled "Tallinn Weather" (without the quotes) and Google
> itself told me it's currently 59 F (15 C) there. Is there anyone
> here who would would consider that to be hot?
I was actually out in Tallinn last week (I didn't hookup with netcat,
due to the reported illness). It was wonderfully sunny, clear, and
warm compared to Massachusetts for the first few days; on a trip out
to Haapsallu on the west coast, the temperature was 85-90F, and I was
*very* glad to get into the castle's dungeon.
The 4th and 5th were quite a bit cooler. There was rain on the evening
of the 4th, which drove a lot of people from the end of the first day
of the Lalupidu (Song Festival). The weather was better the second
day.
This SF is pretty damn amazing. Up to 25,000 performers are on a stage
that resembles one half of a US football stadium, being watched by
over 100,000 spectators seated on a hillside facing the stage. They
sing very well (not just anyone can perform - groups are vetted
before being allowed to join, and 2/3 rejected). About 1 in 6
Estonians worldwide are there.
This is the only place where you can watch the performers start a
'wave' at the top of the stage, see it move down through the
performers, jump to the audience, and continue to the back of the
crowd.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b92kKEfTOL8
pt
cryptoguy
> Dorothy J Heydt <djhe...@kithrup.com> wrote:
>
> > Please remember, Keith, that moderately comfortable for you would
> > be bloody disgusting hot to most other people.
>
> That's why I asked for a number. A temperature.
>
> Tallinn is further north than parts of Greenland and Alaska. Further
> north than nearly all of Canada except the Northwest Territories,
> Nunavut, and the Yukon.
>
> I just Googled "Tallinn Weather" (without the quotes) and Google
> itself told me it's currently 59 F (15 C) there. Is there anyone
> here who would would consider that to be hot?
That's at about 4:30 AM in Tallinn, and is probably near the coldest
time of the day. Try checking at 12 hours later. Remember - the sun is
up about 20 hours, and the other four is is so close to the horizon
that it's twilight, not darkness.
pt
Ben Yalow
>Philip Chee <phi...@aleytys.pc.my> wrote:
>> There are the so called "darknets" where such services are bought
>> and sold. It takes a lot of effort to infiltrate and they shift
>> constantly.
>So computer criminals need a lot of skill just to find ads for
>their services?
Not really. The trade articles often give pointers to the networks (I
assume that's how the BBC was so trivially able to buy its hacked
machines).
>--
>Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
>Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.
Ben
Keith F. Lynch
> "Keith F. Lynch" <k...@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
>> If the TSA catches someone trying to smuggle a bomb onto a plane,
>> should they not bother to check the other people waiting to board?
>> After all, it's very rare for *two* people to attempt to smuggle
>> bombs onto the same flight.
> False logic, and you know it.
Of course. That was my *point*. I was making an analogy, to show
that a similar chain of reasoning was flawed. Did anyone else not
realize that?
Karl Johanson
news:h33414$gms$3...@reader1.panix.com...
> In <h30o5j$rh0$1...@panix3.panix.com> "Keith F. Lynch" <k...@KeithLynch.net>
> writes:
>
>>Philip Chee <phi...@aleytys.pc.my> wrote:
>>> There are the so called "darknets" where such services are bought
>>> and sold. It takes a lot of effort to infiltrate and they shift
>>> constantly.
>
>>So computer criminals need a lot of skill just to find ads for
>>their services?
>
> Not really. The trade articles often give pointers to the networks (I
> assume that's how the BBC was so trivially able to buy its hacked
> machines).
My, that sub-thread went well.
Karl Johanson