A Dour Glaswegian?
David V. Loewe, Jr
"With Tony Blair finally off the stage and running for the presidency of
the European Council, Gordon Brown, a dour Glaswegian � wait, I repeat
myself � seems fully up to the previously daunting task of handing
government back to the Tories after their twelve years in the
wilderness."
*Are* Glaswegians dour?
--
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as it commits suicide."
- James Burnham
Jette Goldie
> Seen on a MilBlog...
>
> "With Tony Blair finally off the stage and running for the presidency of
> myself � seems fully up to the previously daunting task of handing
> government back to the Tories after their twelve years in the
> wilderness."
>
> *Are* Glaswegians dour?
yes.
But Broon is frae Fife and they're even more dour.
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Dorothy J Heydt
David V. Loewe, Jr <dave...@charter.net> wrote:
>Seen on a MilBlog...
>
>"With Tony Blair finally off the stage and running for the presidency of
>the European Council, Gordon Brown, a dour Glaswegian � wait, I repeat
>myself � seems fully up to the previously daunting task of handing
>government back to the Tories after their twelve years in the
>wilderness."
>
>*Are* Glaswegians dour?
I've met half-a-dozen Glaswegians. One was rather depressed.
The rest were perfectly cheerful.
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Jette Goldie
> In article <p306g5h2a09ij4jm7...@4ax.com>,
> David V. Loewe, Jr <dave...@charter.net> wrote:
>> Seen on a MilBlog...
>>
>> "With Tony Blair finally off the stage and running for the presidency of
>> government back to the Tories after their twelve years in the
>> wilderness."
>>
>> *Are* Glaswegians dour?
>
> I've met half-a-dozen Glaswegians. One was rather depressed.
> The rest were perfectly cheerful.
>
Were they discussing politics or managing the economy?
Robert Sneddon
<jgold...@btinternet.com> writes
>David V. Loewe, Jr wrote:
>> Seen on a MilBlog...
>> "With Tony Blair finally off the stage and running for the
>>presidency of
>> myself – seems fully up to the previously daunting task of handing
>> government back to the Tories after their twelve years in the
>> wilderness."
>> *Are* Glaswegians dour?
>
>yes.
>
>But Broon is frae Fife and they're even more dour.
He's no wan o' THOSE Broons, is he? He is, as I recall, a son of the
manse and that probably inoculated him from smiling for life. Is he a
Wee Free or a hell-bound Presbyterian? Quick, to the Wikipedia-mobile!
Okay, Wikipedia says he was born in Govan which probably explains the
girny face as the local sport in the Clydeside is dooking for chips. His
faither was a meenister in the Godless Church of Scotland who moved to
the Kingdom of Fife and that's where wee Hector^WGordon went to school.
So, he's technically a Glesca heid-the-ba' but he emigrated as a bairn.
Quitter.
--
To reply, my gmail address is nojay1 Robert Sneddon
Jette Goldie
an ye ken thae Fifers. (I currently work with one of the Kingdom's
dourest examples ........ if he smiled his face would crack - and Hell
would probably freeze over)
Dorothy J Heydt
Jette Goldie <boss...@scotlandmail.com> wrote:
>Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> In article <p306g5h2a09ij4jm7...@4ax.com>,
>> David V. Loewe, Jr <dave...@charter.net> wrote:
>>> Seen on a MilBlog...
>>>
>>> "With Tony Blair finally off the stage and running for the presidency of
>>> myself � seems fully up to the previously daunting task of handing
>>> government back to the Tories after their twelve years in the
>>> wilderness."
>>>
>>> *Are* Glaswegians dour?
>>
>> I've met half-a-dozen Glaswegians. One was rather depressed.
>> The rest were perfectly cheerful.
>
>Were they discussing politics or managing the economy?
They were talking about space travel, mostly. The depressed one
had gone through a messy divorce and was out of work.
Jette Goldie
> In article <hdv3lm$nuk$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Jette Goldie <boss...@scotlandmail.com> wrote:
>> Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>> In article <p306g5h2a09ij4jm7...@4ax.com>,
>>> David V. Loewe, Jr <dave...@charter.net> wrote:
>>>> Seen on a MilBlog...
>>>>
>>>> "With Tony Blair finally off the stage and running for the presidency of
>>>> government back to the Tories after their twelve years in the
>>>> wilderness."
>>>>
>>>> *Are* Glaswegians dour?
>>> I've met half-a-dozen Glaswegians. One was rather depressed.
>>> The rest were perfectly cheerful.
>> Were they discussing politics or managing the economy?
>
> They were talking about space travel, mostly. The depressed one
> had gone through a messy divorce and was out of work.
>
Well, there you go - had you gotten them to discuss politics or money
you'd have seen "dour" :-)
David G. Bell
fr...@nospam.demon.co.uk "Robert Sneddon" wrote:
> In message <hdv254$gri$1...@news.eternal-september.org>, Jette Goldie
> <jgold...@btinternet.com> writes
> >David V. Loewe, Jr wrote:
> >> Seen on a MilBlog...
> >> "With Tony Blair finally off the stage and running for the
> >>presidency of
> >> the European Council, Gordon Brown, a dour Glaswegian – wait, I repeat
> >> myself – seems fully up to the previously daunting task of handing
> >> government back to the Tories after their twelve years in the
> >> wilderness."
> >> *Are* Glaswegians dour?
> >
> >yes.
> >
> >But Broon is frae Fife and they're even more dour.
>
> He's no wan o' THOSE Broons, is he? He is, as I recall, a son of the
> manse and that probably inoculated him from smiling for life.
There was a clip on "Have I Got News For You" and it looks rather as
though his smile switches off when a camera points in his direction.
With the number of CCTV cameras for "security purposes", he likely
doesn't get much chance to smile.
--
David G. Bell -- SF Fan, Filker, and Punslinger.
On the horizon, a carrier task force of the Salvation Navy was
turning into the wind, preparing to launch Zeppelins.
T Guy
>
> "With Tony Blair finally off the stage and running for the presidency of
> the European Council, Gordon Brown, a dour Glaswegian – wait, I repeat
> myself – seems fully up to the previously daunting task of handing
> government back to the Tories after their twelve years in the
> wilderness."
>
> *Are* Glaswegians dour?
(T Guy):
In the sense that Cardinals are Roman Catholic.
T Guy
P. S. I may not have thought this one through properly...
Lowell Gilbert
> ("David V. Loewe, Jr" <davelo...@charter.net> ):
>>
>> "With Tony Blair finally off the stage and running for the presidency of
>> the European Council, Gordon Brown, a dour Glaswegian � wait, I repeat
>> myself � seems fully up to the previously daunting task of handing
>> government back to the Tories after their twelve years in the
>> wilderness."
>>
>> *Are* Glaswegians dour?
>
> (T Guy):
>
> In the sense that Cardinals are Roman Catholic.
>
> T Guy
>
> P. S. I may not have thought this one through properly...
You see, people don't just turn into a Scotsman for no reason at all...
David Loewe, Jr.
I'm pretty sure that Bobby Moore (aka Ahmad Rashad) is a Muslim...
--
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I picked her up in my new VW van.
She wore a peasant blouse with nothing underneath,
I said, Hi, and she said, Yeah, I guess I am."
Dean Friedman
Paul Dormer
dlo...@mindspring.com (David Loewe, Jr.) wrote:
>
> I'm pretty sure that Bobby Moore (aka Ahmad Rashad) is a Muslim...
Now that's confusing. For me, and I'd guess for many people my age, even
if like me they have no interest in football, Bobby Moore was the captain
of the England team that won the World Cup in 1966. (The final coincided
with the start of scout camp, and I remember listening to the final on
someone's portable radio in a tent in a field in Yorkshire on the bank of
the River Ouse.)
David V. Loewe, Jr
Ah... but that Bobby Moore was never a Cardinal.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmad_Rash%C4%81d
"Ahmad Rasha-d (born Robert Earl Moore November 19, 1949 in Portland,
Oregon) is an Emmy award-winning sportscaster (mostly with NBC Sports)
and former professional football player. An All-American running back
and wide receiver from Oregon known as Bobby Moore, Rashad was the
fourth overall pick in the 1972 NFL Draft, drafted by the St. Louis
Cardinals. He was the first skill-position player taken, following three
linemen."
Rashad still went by Bobby Moore during his time in St. Louis. Thus the
Cardinal Bobby Moore was a not a Catholic, he was a Muslim. ;-)
--
"Sometimes, a lost cause is the only one worth fighting for."
- Brigadier General JM Stewart
T Guy
I'm pretty sure that Bobby Moore (aka Ahmad Rashad) is a Muslim...
(p...@pauldormer.cix.co.uk (Paul Dormer)):
> Now that's confusing. For me, and I'd guess for many people my age, even
> if like me they have no interest in football, Bobby Moore was the captain
> of the England team that won the World Cup in 1966. (The final coincided
> with the start of scout camp, and I remember listening to the final on
> someone's portable radio in a tent in a field in Yorkshire on the bank of
> the River Ouse.)
( Guy):
I'm with you on this one. I had no idea what Bobby Moore had to do
with it, being Captain of the irons, then England the last time they
won the World Cup and one of a handful of footballers I could name.
T Guy
David V. Loewe, Jr
Maybe the two of you should have looked up Ahmad Rashad...
Pele
Diego Maradona
Wayne Rooney
Becks
Zidane
Thierry Henry
Franz Beckenbauer
Johan Cruyff
Carlos Valderrama
Kaka
Ronaldo
Ronaldinho
Georgie Best
Landon Donovan
Alexi Lalas
Harry Keough
Ty Keough
Freddie Adu
Mia Hamm
I guess I know more than a handful.
--
"Always remember that it is impossible to speak in such a way that
you cannot be misunderstood: there will always be some who
misunderstand you."
Sir Karl Popper
Paul Dormer
<65b594dc-6356-4f50...@g27g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
Tim.B...@redbridge.gov.uk (T Guy) wrote:
>
> I'm with you on this one. I had no idea what Bobby Moore had to do
> with it, being Captain of the irons, then England the last time they
> won the World Cup and one of a handful of footballers I could name.
Now, I didn't know that West Ham are called the Irons. I knew they were
known as the Hammers.
Paul Dormer
dave...@charter.net (David V. Loewe, Jr) wrote:
>
> Maybe the two of you should have looked up Ahmad Rashad...
>
I did. That doesn't change the fact that to me the name Bobby Moore
first means the England footballer.
> Pele
> Diego Maradona
> Wayne Rooney
> Becks
> Zidane
> Thierry Henry
> Franz Beckenbauer
> Johan Cruyff
> Carlos Valderrama
> Kaka
> Ronaldo
> Ronaldinho
> Georgie Best
> Landon Donovan
> Alexi Lalas
> Harry Keough
> Ty Keough
> Freddie Adu
>
> Mia Hamm
>
> I guess I know more than a handful.
I must admit I know only a few of those, but I'd add Sir Stanley Matthews
and Danny Blanchflower. I even saw the latter play once, back when my
dad took me to football games.
David Loewe, Jr.
p...@pauldormer.cix.co.uk (Paul Dormer) wrote:
>dave...@charter.net (David V. Loewe, Jr) wrote:
>> Maybe the two of you should have looked up Ahmad Rashad...
>I did.
Then you should have sussed out that I wasn't talking about that English
footballer.
--
"You don't win a war by dying for your country, you win a war by
making the other poor bastard die for his country."
- George Smith Patton, Jr.
Paul Dormer
dlo...@mindspring.com (David Loewe, Jr.) wrote:
>
> On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 16:58 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
> p...@pauldormer.cix.co.uk (Paul Dormer) wrote:
>
> >dave...@charter.net (David V. Loewe, Jr) wrote:
>
> >> Maybe the two of you should have looked up Ahmad Rashad...
>
> >I did.
>
> Then you should have sussed out that I wasn't talking about that
> English footballer.
But why should that make it any less confusing?
Paul Dormer
<65b594dc-6356-4f50...@g27g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
Tim.B...@redbridge.gov.uk (T Guy) wrote:
>
> I'm with you on this one. I had no idea what Bobby Moore had to do
> with it, being Captain of the irons, then England the last time they
> won the World Cup and one of a handful of footballers I could name.
There was a sitcom on the BBC a few years back called Hyperdrive, set on
board a British starship. (It was intermittently funny and did manage
two six-episode series.)
One of the episodes centred round it being Gary Neville day, a public
holiday. Now, I had a vague idea that Neville might be a footballer, but
I know very little about him. The joke was that it was he who had come
up with the idea of a practical space drive, whilst playing in a cup
final.
David V. Loewe, Jr
p...@pauldormer.cix.co.uk (Paul Dormer) wrote:
>dlo...@mindspring.com (David Loewe, Jr.) wrote:
>> On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 16:58 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
>> p...@pauldormer.cix.co.uk (Paul Dormer) wrote:
>> >dave...@charter.net (David V. Loewe, Jr) wrote:
>>
>> >> Maybe the two of you should have looked up Ahmad Rashad...
>>
>> >I did.
>>
>> Then you should have sussed out that I wasn't talking about that
>> English footballer.
>
>But why should that make it any less confusing?
Surely Robert Moore is a fairly common name and you could expect that,
somewhere in the world, there might be a different Robert Moore who was
famous for some reason.
--
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operate at a profit."
- Samuel Gompers (1908)
T Guy
> >I'm with you on this one. I had no idea what Bobby Moore had to do
> >with it, being Captain of the irons, then England the last time they
> >won the World Cup and one of a handful of footballers I could name.
("David V. Loewe, Jr" <davelo...@charter.net> ):
> Maybe the two of you should have looked up Ahmad Rashad...
(new T Guy):
I can't speak for Paul, but my interest in footer does not extend that
far.
("David V. Loewe, Jr" <davelo...@charter.net> ):
> Pele
> Diego Maradona
> Wayne Rooney
> Becks
> Zidane
> Thierry Henry
> Franz Beckenbauer
> Johan Cruyff
> Carlos Valderrama
> Kaka
> Ronaldo
> Ronaldinho
> Georgie Best
> Landon Donovan
> Alexi Lalas
> Harry Keough
> Ty Keough
> Freddie Adu
>
> Mia Hamm
>
> I guess I know more than a handful.
(T Guy):
Heard of:
> Pele
> Diego Maradona
> Wayne Rooney
> Becks
> Zidane
> Thierry Henry
> Ronaldo
> Georgie Best
No:
> Franz Beckenbauer
> Johan Cruyff
> Carlos Valderrama
> Kaka
Ronaldinho
> Landon Donovan
> Alexi Lalas
> Harry Keough
> Ty Keough
> Freddie Adu
> Mia Hamm
On the other hand:
Stanley Matthews
Bobby Charlton
Glen Hoddle
Ossie Ardiles
Gary Lineker
Kevin Keagan
Derek Dooley (or whatever his name was)
So even I can reach over a dozen. Which I would have lost a bet on.
( Sir Karl Popper):
> "Always remember that it is impossible to speak in such a way that
> you cannot be misunderstood: there will always be some who
> misunderstand you."
(T Guy):
And for those who doubted this, internet fora were inventerd.
T Guy
David Loewe, Jr.
<Tim.B...@redbridge.gov.uk> wrote:
>(old T Guy):
>
>> >I'm with you on this one. I had no idea what Bobby Moore had to do
>> >with it, being Captain of the irons, then England the last time they
>> >won the World Cup and one of �a handful of footballers I could name.
>
>("David V. Loewe, Jr" <davelo...@charter.net> ):
>
>> Maybe the two of you should have looked up Ahmad Rashad...
>
>(new T Guy):
>
>I can't speak for Paul, but my interest in footer does not extend that
>far.
Rashad didn't play soccer.
Are all possibly before your time. Valderrama is perhaps more famous
for his outrageous hairdo than for soccer playing prowess (although he
*was* good).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Valderrama_%28footballer%29
>> Kaka
>> Ronaldinho
Current Brazilian players. I know Kaka for the funny-in-English
nickname.
>> Landon Donovan
>> Alexi Lalas
>> Harry Keough
>> Ty Keough
>> Freddie Adu
American men. Keough and Keough are locals. Harry Keough was on the
1950 US World Cup team that upset England.
>> Mia Hamm
American woman player. Quite possibly the most famous female player in
the world.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mia_Hamm
"Hamm has scored more international goals in her career than any other
player, male or female, in the history of soccer (158).
Hamm is an iconic symbol of women's sports and an inspiration and role
model to a generation of sports-minded girls. As part of the first
generation of women to grow up with gender equality rights after Title
IX passed, she received the college scholarships, endorsements and
training opportunities necessary to become a top athlete. She was named
the women's FIFA World Player of the Year the first two times that award
was given (in 2001 and 2002), and is listed as one of FIFA's 125 best
living players (as chosen by Pel�)."
>On the other hand:
>
>Stanley Matthews
>Bobby Charlton
>Glen Hoddle
>Ossie Ardiles
>Gary Lineker
>Kevin Keagan
>Derek Dooley (or whatever his name was)
>
>So even I can reach over a dozen. Which I would have lost a bet on.
>
>( Sir Karl Popper):
>
>> "Always remember that it is impossible to speak in such a way that
>> �you cannot be misunderstood: there will always be some who
>> �misunderstand you."
>
>(T Guy):
>
>And for those who doubted this, internet fora were inventerd.
;-)
--
"You're free to be as much of an asshole as you wish -- as long as I'm
not paying for it."
- Todd Masco
Jette Goldie
> p...@pauldormer.cix.co.uk (Paul Dormer) wrote:
>
>> dlo...@mindspring.com (David Loewe, Jr.) wrote:
>>> On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 16:58 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
>>> p...@pauldormer.cix.co.uk (Paul Dormer) wrote:
>>>> dave...@charter.net (David V. Loewe, Jr) wrote:
>>>>> Maybe the two of you should have looked up Ahmad Rashad...
>>>> I did.
>>> Then you should have sussed out that I wasn't talking about that
>>> English footballer.
>> But why should that make it any less confusing?
>
> Surely Robert Moore is a fairly common name and you could expect that,
> somewhere in the world, there might be a different Robert Moore who was
> famous for some reason.
Google has far fewer entries for "Bobby Moore" than for "Robert Moore"
- and the first few hundred are ALL for the English football player.
Paul Dormer
dave...@charter.net (David V. Loewe, Jr) wrote:
>
> Surely Robert Moore is a fairly common name and you could expect that,
> somewhere in the world, there might be a different Robert Moore who was
> famous for some reason.
And, each of them finds themselves continuously having the footballer
mentioned as soon as they give their name.
Some names are so famous, maybe they should be retired like American
sports clubs do with team numbers.
I was at a concert a few years ago, and one of the performers was listed
as Yoko Ono. It was of music by Cage, so it wasn't too unlikely that the
famous performance artist was taking part. But it turns out there's a
pianist of that name.
Or, at a more recent concert I was talking to some friends who had been
to another concert and they mentioned Richard Baker was there. Richard
Baker is an ex-BBC newsreader and he is known to be interested in
classical music. He introduced the Last Night of the Proms for many
years on TV, and once at the Proms was the narrator in a performance of
Stravinsky's Oedipus Rex. (He also appeared on Monty Python, where he
uttered the line "Lemon curry?" But it turns out there's a conductor of
that name.
And many years ago, Punch did an item having seen a listing for a concert
where the conductor was named David Coleman. There's a BBC sports
commentator of that name, known or his gaffes and they did a commentary
on the concert in his style.
For that matter, I think it is in Leeds I saw an optician's shop which
appeared to be run by someone called William Shakespeare.
David Loewe, Jr.
<jgold...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>David V. Loewe, Jr wrote:
>> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 10:41 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
>> p...@pauldormer.cix.co.uk (Paul Dormer) wrote:
>>> dlo...@mindspring.com (David Loewe, Jr.) wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 16:58 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
>>>> p...@pauldormer.cix.co.uk (Paul Dormer) wrote:
>>>>> dave...@charter.net (David V. Loewe, Jr) wrote:
>>>>>> Maybe the two of you should have looked up Ahmad Rashad...
>>>>> I did.
>>>> Then you should have sussed out that I wasn't talking about that
>>>> English footballer.
>>> But why should that make it any less confusing?
>>
>> Surely Robert Moore is a fairly common name and you could expect that,
>> somewhere in the world, there might be a different Robert Moore who was
>> famous for some reason.
>
>
>Google has far fewer entries for "Bobby Moore" than for "Robert Moore"
>- and the first few hundred are ALL for the English football player.
Because Ahmad Rashad hasn't been known as Bobby Moore since the 70s.
I only used Bobby Moore because that was his name when he was a
Cardinal. It made the joke. I suppose I could have used Kurt Warner,
but then I would have had to explain that he is a Protestant. With
Ahmad Rashad and the notation that he'd changed his name to Ahmad Rashad
from Bobby Moore, the point was clear that this Cardinal was a Muslim.
--
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Wait for the order. It will be my last to you. I protest against my
condemnation. I have fought a hundred battles for France, and not
one against her ... Soldiers, Fire!"
- the Last Words of Michel Ney
David Loewe, Jr.
p...@pauldormer.cix.co.uk (Paul Dormer) wrote:
>dave...@charter.net (David V. Loewe, Jr) wrote:
>
>> Surely Robert Moore is a fairly common name and you could expect that,
>> somewhere in the world, there might be a different Robert Moore who was
>> famous for some reason.
>
>And, each of them finds themselves continuously having the footballer
>mentioned as soon as they give their name.
I would submit that many more Americans know that Ahmad Rashad used to
be Bobby Moore than know *of* the Bobby Moore who captained England in
1966 and 1970.
For example, I'm much more knowledgeable about soccer than the average
American - especially for one who doesn't play (has never played) soccer
- and I'd never heard of him.
>Some names are so famous, maybe they should be retired like American
>sports clubs do with team numbers.
>
>I was at a concert a few years ago, and one of the performers was listed
>as Yoko Ono. It was of music by Cage, so it wasn't too unlikely that the
>famous performance artist was taking part. But it turns out there's a
>pianist of that name.
>
>Or, at a more recent concert I was talking to some friends who had been
>to another concert and they mentioned Richard Baker was there. Richard
>Baker is an ex-BBC newsreader and he is known to be interested in
>classical music. He introduced the Last Night of the Proms for many
>years on TV, and once at the Proms was the narrator in a performance of
>Stravinsky's Oedipus Rex. (He also appeared on Monty Python, where he
>uttered the line "Lemon curry?" But it turns out there's a conductor of
>that name.
>
>And many years ago, Punch did an item having seen a listing for a concert
>where the conductor was named David Coleman. There's a BBC sports
>commentator of that name, known or his gaffes and they did a commentary
>on the concert in his style.
>
>For that matter, I think it is in Leeds I saw an optician's shop which
>appeared to be run by someone called William Shakespeare.
--
"On a morning from a Bogart movie
In a country where they turn back time
You go strolling through the crowd like Peter Lorre
Contemplating a crime."
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Keith F. Lynch
> I was at a concert a few years ago, and one of the performers was
> listed as Yoko Ono. It was of music by Cage, so it wasn't too
> unlikely that the famous performance artist was taking part. But
> it turns out there's a pianist of that name.
> Or, at a more recent concert I was talking to some friends who
> had been to another concert and they mentioned Richard Baker was
> there. Richard Baker is an ex-BBC newsreader and he is known to be
> interested in classical music. He introduced the Last Night of the
> Proms for many years on TV, and once at the Proms was the narrator
> in a performance of Stravinsky's Oedipus Rex. (He also appeared on
> Monty Python, where he uttered the line "Lemon curry?" But it turns
> out there's a conductor of that name.
> And many years ago, Punch did an item having seen a listing for a
> concert where the conductor was named David Coleman. There's a BBC
> sports commentator of that name, known or his gaffes and they did a
> commentary on the concert in his style.
> For that matter, I think it is in Leeds I saw an optician's shop
> which appeared to be run by someone called William Shakespeare.
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"David V. Loewe, Jr" <dave...@charter.net> said:
> Ah... but that Bobby Moore was never a Cardinal.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmad_Rash%C4%81d
>
> "Ahmad Rasha-d (born Robert Earl Moore November 19, 1949 in
> Portland, Oregon) is an Emmy award-winning sportscaster (mostly
> with NBC Sports) and former professional football player. An
> All-American running back and wide receiver from Oregon known as
> Bobby Moore, Rashad was the fourth overall pick in the 1972 NFL
> Draft, drafted by the St. Louis Cardinals. He was the first
> skill-position player taken, following three linemen."
Notable for being one of the two greatest names for speaking out
loud in recent NFL history: AhMOD RahSHOD. (Vowels all pronounced
like the 'o' in 'sod,' 'rod,' 'pod,' etc. If he'd been a pro
wrestler or a bodybuilder he could have been Ahmad the Bod Rashad.)
The other of course was Billy Joe Dupree.
-- wds
William December Starr
p...@pauldormer.cix.co.uk (Paul Dormer) said:
> For that matter, I think it is in Leeds I saw an optician's shop
> which appeared to be run by someone called William Shakespeare.
The police say that that's just a front. The business is actually
run by some bloke named Bacon.
-- wds
Keith F. Lynch
> One of the episodes centred round it being Gary Neville day, a
> public holiday. Now, I had a vague idea that Neville might be a
> footballer, but I know very little about him. The joke was that
> it was he who had come up with the idea of a practical space drive,
> whilst playing in a cup final.
The actress Hedy Lamarr invented spread-spectrum radio. I don't know
if she was performing in a movie when she came up with the idea.
William December Starr
p...@pauldormer.cix.co.uk (Paul Dormer) said:
> There was a sitcom on the BBC a few years back called Hyperdrive,
> set on board a British starship. (It was intermittently funny and
> did manage two six-episode series.)
>
> One of the episodes centred round it being Gary Neville day, a
> public holiday. Now, I had a vague idea that Neville might be a
> footballer, but I know very little about him. The joke was that
> it was he who had come up with the idea of a practical space
> drive, whilst playing in a cup final.
In fact that's actually happened several times, but on each
occasion the player then immediately headed the ball and
completely forgot it.
(And you don't even want to _know_ how many times Fermat's Last
Theorem was solved by NFL linemen, only to be lost when the ball
was snapped and helmet hit helmet.)
-- wds
Kip Williams
> The actress Hedy Lamarr invented spread-spectrum radio. I don't know
> if she was performing in a movie when she came up with the idea.
In the 70s, I asked my electronics teacher if it was possible to record
the output of a preamplifier and then tune the recording to hear
different stations. He said no. I always wondered why not. I thought it
would be worthwhile to record a whole spectrum of stations for later
listening.
Kip W
Keith F. Lynch
> (And you don't even want to _know_ how many times Fermat's Last
> Theorem was solved by NFL linemen, only to be lost when the ball
> was snapped and helmet hit helmet.)
Probably just as often as someone walking in a cancer "Walk for the
Cure" found the cure while on that walk.
I think that walk should take a different route each year, to maximize
the chances of a discovery. It's never been held on my street, for
instance. What's if that's where the cure is?
Keith F. Lynch
> In the 70s, I asked my electronics teacher if it was possible to
> record the output of a preamplifier and then tune the recording to
> hear different stations. He said no. I always wondered why not.
> I thought it would be worthwhile to record a whole spectrum of
> stations for later listening.
I came up with the same idea in the same decade, as soon as I realized
that videotape recorders must record a bigger chunk of spectrum than
the whole AM broadcast band takes up. Some people listen for faint
and distant AM stations, but if all stations identify themselves
simultaneously, at the top of the hour, it's frustrating if there are
several faint stations you want to identify. Recording the whole AM
broadcast band is an obvious solution.
I wonder if anyone ever did it.
Richard Todd
> I came up with the same idea in the same decade, as soon as I realized
> that videotape recorders must record a bigger chunk of spectrum than
> the whole AM broadcast band takes up. Some people listen for faint
> and distant AM stations, but if all stations identify themselves
> simultaneously, at the top of the hour, it's frustrating if there are
> several faint stations you want to identify. Recording the whole AM
> broadcast band is an obvious solution.
>
> I wonder if anyone ever did it.
Sort of, there's a modern digital version of that sort of thing available,
called the SDR-14. (SDR stands for Software Defined Radio.) Basically a
really really fast A/D converter combined with a wideband (compared to, say,
an AM radio) RF mixer allows grabbing sizable chunks of spectrum in real
time (160kHz, according to http://www.moetronix.com/sdr14info.htm) and feeding
them to a PC for realtime analysis or later storage.
http://www.rfspace.com/SDR-14.html has some cool pictures of realtime spectrum
analysis of various chunks of the broadcast spectrum with it. Course, this
thing ain't cheap, about a grand. Sells mainly to ham radio types who
haven't bought enough expensive radio equipment already, I think, and possibly
the odd Three Letter Agency.
Looks like the SDR-14 wouldn't be enough to let you record the entire AM
broadcast band (that'd be about 1 MHz wide, right? 5xx kHz to 1510 khZ?), but
you could get a sizable chunk of it.
David G. Bell
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p...@pauldormer.cix.co.uk "Paul Dormer" wrote:
I thought the Irons are still Scunthorpe United.
And all I recall about them is that Ian Botham played for them a few
times.
--
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On the horizon, a carrier task force of the Salvation Navy was
turning into the wind, preparing to launch Zeppelins.
Paul Dormer
Lynch) wrote:
>
> ObFandom: Lisa Goldstein routinely attends Balticon. But she's not
> the Lisa Goldstein who writes fantasy.
Indeed, there was a fan in the Birmingham group in the UK called Ray
Bradbury and a Scottish fan called Bob Shaw - who once chaired a con in
Glasgow which had as a guest Bob Shaw the northern Irish writer.
Paul Dormer
Lynch) wrote:
>
> The actress Hedy Lamarr invented spread-spectrum radio. I don't know
> if she was performing in a movie when she came up with the idea.
In collaboration with the composer George Antheil, self-styled bad boy of
music.
Lowell Gilbert
It had been invented before, including by Tesla nearly a half-century
earlier. The idea of using piano rolls (and, thus, 88 different keys^w
frequency bands) was quite a clever concept. Tesla's concept was cute
as well: he was trying to reduce interference for a remote control
submarine, and required communications on more than one frequency to
agree with each other.
Lamarr attended business meetings during WWII with her husband, a
weapons manufacturer, which is where she learned of the problem which
her invention solved.
Philip Chee
I thought that the Scottish fan was called Fake Bob Shaw.
Phil
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Jette Goldie
> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 11:34 +0000 (GMT Standard Time), Paul Dormer wrote:
>> In article <hefee2$rqa$2...@reader1.panix.com>, k...@KeithLynch.net (Keith F.
>> Lynch) wrote:
>>
>>> ObFandom: Lisa Goldstein routinely attends Balticon. But she's not
>>> the Lisa Goldstein who writes fantasy.
>> Indeed, there was a fan in the Birmingham group in the UK called Ray
>> Bradbury and a Scottish fan called Bob Shaw - who once chaired a con in
>> Glasgow which had as a guest Bob Shaw the northern Irish writer.
>
> I thought that the Scottish fan was called Fake Bob Shaw.
>
> Phil
>
he is now
Keith F. Lynch
> k...@KeithLynch.net (Keith F. Lynch) wrote:
>> ObFandom: Lisa Goldstein routinely attends Balticon. But she's
>> not the Lisa Goldstein who writes fantasy.
> Indeed, there was a fan in the Birmingham group in the UK called Ray
> Bradbury and a Scottish fan called Bob Shaw - who once chaired a con
> in Glasgow which had as a guest Bob Shaw the northern Irish writer.
And there are several Michael Walshes in fandom. They've given up
arguing with hotels, and just share a room when they're attending
the same con.
I see that as of two weeks ago, Michael J. Walsh, the one who chaired
a Worldcon, has a Wikipedia page.
Keith F. Lynch
> Looks like the SDR-14 wouldn't be enough to let you record the
> entire AM broadcast band (that'd be about 1 MHz wide, right?
> 5xx kHz to 1510 khZ?), but you could get a sizable chunk of it.
Why not adapt an old VCR, as I suggested? It could store the whole
AM broadcast band, along with a fair chunk above it and *everything*
below it, and it costs a lot less.
Philip Chee
> Philip Chee wrote:
>> I thought that the Scottish fan was called Fake Bob Shaw.
> he is now
AFAIK, he's been Fake Bob Shaw for as long as I remember.
Robert Sneddon
<phi...@aleytys.pc.my> writes
>On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 14:55:44 -0600, Jette Goldie wrote:
>> Philip Chee wrote:
>
>>> I thought that the Scottish fan was called Fake Bob Shaw.
>
>> he is now
>
>AFAIK, he's been Fake Bob Shaw for as long as I remember.
He was known generally in Trout (the Glasgow fan group) during the
1980s as Plastic Bob Shaw. His middle initial was "P" as in Robert P.
Shaw.
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