Hotels in Baltimore
David Lowe
Any hotel advice for Baltimore?
David Lowe
MichaelNel
>From: dl...@ua1vm.ua.edu (David Lowe)<BR>
>Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom<BR>
>Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 22:13:14 GMT<BR>
>
><BR>
>Any hotel advice for Baltimore?<BR>
Keep checking www.bucconeer.worldcon.org
for information and forms if you haven't received
your Broadside Four newsletter yet.
The Baltimore Area Convention and Vistors
Association is handling reservations. Their
web site at www.baltconvstr.com/ is a good
jumping off point for information.
Michael Nelson
Bucconeer Pre-Con Publications
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Laurie D. T. Mann
>From: dl...@ua1vm.ua.edu (David Lowe)
>Any hotel advice for Baltimore?
That depends completely on what you're looking
for, and on what's the most important to you.
There are a wide variety of hotels to choose from
this year.
Since the Omni has all the official night activities,
it's a good place to stay if you filk late or watch
movies until the wee hours.
The Holiday Inn and the Days Inn are both the closest
to the front door of the convention center.
--
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Chris Croughton
Laurie D. T. Mann wrote:
>
> Since the Omni has all the official night activities,
> it's a good place to stay if you filk late or watch
> movies until the wee hours.
OK, a couple of points (I just looked at the web page):
You give a 1-800 number for phone contacts with MTDB/BACVA
Housing who are arranging the accomodation. However, this
useless outside America. Could you please give a non 800
number as well?
'Corkage': what is the situation if I want to have a bottle
of something (alcoholic) and drink it myself and/or pass it
round in a filk circle? (That specifically; it's not an
"open party" in my definition, nor am I 'serving' it, but the
hotel might have other ideas). I assume that 'closed' parties
are immune from the corkage requirements?
I also note that the Omni, the filking hotel, does not have
the 'hospitality' arangement at all. What /is/ the arrangement
there?
(Please also respond by email, as I probably won't have Usenet
access for the next couple of weeks and articles may have expired
by then.)
Chris C
MichaelNel
>From: Chris Croughton <crou...@amc.de>
>Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom
>Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:04:25
>
> You give a 1-800 number for phone contacts with
> MTDB/BACVA Housing who are arranging the
> accomodation. However, this useless outside
> America. Could you please give a non 800
> number as well?
Damn. We discussed that when the form was being
designed. I'll ask our Facilities Division and post
the response.
> 'Corkage': what is the situation if I want to have a bottle
> of something (alcoholic) and drink it myself and/or pass it
> round in a filk circle?
And so on...
We don't have a corkage waiver for the Omni. (And
our corkage waivers for the party hotels don't cover
alcohol). I suggest you write to Harold Feld at
fi...@bucconeer.worldcon.org with your questions
so he can do some research.
A "Dear Bucconeer Party Host" FAQ will shortly
be posted to our web site.
Alison Scott
micha...@aol.com (MichaelNel) wrote:
>We don't have a corkage waiver for the Omni. (And
>our corkage waivers for the party hotels don't cover
>alcohol).
Gosh, am I the only Brit who finds this extremely odd? A corkage
waiver that doesn't cover alcohol? What will these Americans think of
next?
Not, of course, that alcohol is remotely useful at parties. Or at cons
generally. Dreadful stuff. Wouldn't touch it myself.
[ambles off into distance, muttering...]
--
Alison Scott ali...@fuggles.demon.co.uk
Rather typical homepage: www.fuggles.demon.co.uk
Cutting-edge fanzine: www.moose.demon.co.uk/plokta
Chris Croughton
Alison Scott wrote:
>
> micha...@aol.com (MichaelNel) wrote:
>
> >We don't have a corkage waiver for the Omni. (And
> >our corkage waivers for the party hotels don't cover
> >alcohol).
>
> Gosh, am I the only Brit who finds this extremely odd? A corkage
> waiver that doesn't cover alcohol? What will these Americans think of
> next?
No - Michael's response was to my querying this 'interesting' policy.
I've also sent email to the filk area, since the filking is being
held in the non-party hotel and at filk cirlcles it is common for
bottles of alcoholic stuff[1] to be passed around.
[1] for Americans, Tullamore Dew is traditional, for the Brits it
seems that good Island single malts are more common. And Stroh...
> Not, of course, that alcohol is remotely useful at parties. Or at cons
> generally. Dreadful stuff. Wouldn't touch it myself.
Yes, Alison, we've noticed <g>. That glass just contains the accidents
of alcohol (not to me confused with the Affluence of Incahol) but the
substance of - er, something else...
Chris C
John Lorentz
Alison Scott wrote:
>
> micha...@aol.com (MichaelNel) wrote:
>
> >We don't have a corkage waiver for the Omni. (And
> >our corkage waivers for the party hotels don't cover
> >alcohol).
>
> Gosh, am I the only Brit who finds this extremely odd? A corkage
> waiver that doesn't cover alcohol? What will these Americans think of
> next?
Unfortunately, it seems to one of those things that we're finding more and
more at hotels here. Like convention room rates going away when the block
is released. The hotel industry keeps demanding more and more, and there's
not much that can be done since they tend to speak in unison. (I'm sure
even the non-alcohol corkage waiver is already costing the convention some
money.)
(I remember the days when you could bring your own food to movie theaters.
That was before the theaters realized that the concession stands were more
lucrative to them then the movies themselves.)
--John
Mike Scott
>Gosh, am I the only Brit who finds this extremely odd? A corkage
>waiver that doesn't cover alcohol? What will these Americans think of
>next?
>
>Not, of course, that alcohol is remotely useful at parties. Or at cons
>generally. Dreadful stuff. Wouldn't touch it myself.
Well, it seems strange to me, too, and I *genuinely* wouldn't touch it
myself. Indeed, the OED (for one) is of the opjnion that corkage *only*
applies to alcoholic drinks, so a "corkage waiver" that excludes alcohol
is actually a waiver of nothing whatsoever (although I'm presuming it's
merely misnamed, and is in fact a waiver of service charges for the
consumption of privately supplied soft drinks and food. Or perhaps it's
another difference between American English and English English.).
--
Mike Scott
mi...@moose.demon.co.uk
http://www.moose.demon.co.uk
David G. Bell
> Alison Scott wrote:
> >
> > micha...@aol.com (MichaelNel) wrote:
> >
> > >We don't have a corkage waiver for the Omni. (And
> > >our corkage waivers for the party hotels don't cover
> > >alcohol).
> >
> > Gosh, am I the only Brit who finds this extremely odd? A corkage
> > waiver that doesn't cover alcohol? What will these Americans think of
> > next?
>
> No - Michael's response was to my querying this 'interesting' policy.
> I've also sent email to the filk area, since the filking is being
> held in the non-party hotel and at filk cirlcles it is common for
> bottles of alcoholic stuff[1] to be passed around.
>
> [1] for Americans, Tullamore Dew is traditional, for the Brits it
> seems that good Island single malts are more common. And Stroh...
>
> > Not, of course, that alcohol is remotely useful at parties. Or at cons
> > generally. Dreadful stuff. Wouldn't touch it myself.
>
> Yes, Alison, we've noticed <g>. That glass just contains the accidents
> of alcohol (not to me confused with the Affluence of Incahol) but the
> substance of - er, something else...
Alison's symptoms may be related to those associated with the ingestion
of that toxic and corrosive substance, dihydrogen-monoxide.
--
David G. Bell -- Farmer, SF Fan, Filker, Furry, and Punslinger..
Alison Scott
mi...@moose.demon.co.uk (Mike Scott) wrote:
>Well, it seems strange to me, too, and I *genuinely* wouldn't touch it
>myself. Indeed, the OED (for one) is of the opjnion that corkage *only*
>applies to alcoholic drinks, so a "corkage waiver" that excludes alcohol
>is actually a waiver of nothing whatsoever (although I'm presuming it's
>merely misnamed, and is in fact a waiver of service charges for the
>consumption of privately supplied soft drinks and food. Or perhaps it's
>another difference between American English and English English.).
Well, clearly, the word 'corkage' was originally used to mean a charge
on personal provision of alcohol, and in fact, a lot of restaurants in
London are unlicensed and charge corkage in the traditional fashion; a
charge per bottle for the provision of glasses & drawing the cork.
Mike Scott
>Well, clearly, the word 'corkage' was originally used to mean a charge
>on personal provision of alcohol, and in fact, a lot of restaurants in
>London are unlicensed and charge corkage in the traditional fashion; a
>charge per bottle for the provision of glasses & drawing the cork.
I suspect that if you turn up with your own corkscrew and glasses you
will find that the charge is not, in fact, solely for the provision of
these things.
Perrianne Lurie
ali...@fuggles.demon.co.uk (Alison Scott) wrote:
>Gosh, am I the only Brit who finds this extremely odd? A corkage
>waiver that doesn't cover alcohol? What will these Americans think of
>next?
It is, indeed, odd that our corkage waiver does not cover alcohol, but
there is a reason for this. As it says on our Web page (and in the
Broadside):
"Bucconeer has negotiated a corkage waiver with the Marriott, the
Holiday Inn, and the Hilton. This corkage waiver permits the serving
of foods and non-alcoholic beverages in open parties held in these
hotels. This does not cover the serving of alcoholic beverages!
Baltimore law specifies that in hotels, alcoholic beverages must be
dispensed by hotel employees and/or hotel approved licensed
bartenders. In other words, if you wish to serve alcoholic beverages
at an open party, you must negotiate this with the hotel's catering
department. Bucconeer will provide contacts in the catering offices of
the various hotels upon request."
Perrianne Lurie
BucCONeer, the 56-th World Science Fiction Convention
August 5-9, 1998, Baltimore, Maryland, USA
P.O. Box 314, Annapolis Junction, MD 20701
bucc...@bucconeer.worldcon.org
http://www.bucconeer.worldcon.org
Personal E-mail: bucc...@pipeline.com
MichaelNel
> From: bucc...@pipeline.com (Perrianne Lurie)
> Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom
> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:49:11
>
> "Bucconeer has negotiated a corkage waiver with the Marriott, the
> Holiday Inn, and the Hilton. This corkage waiver permits the serving
> of foods and non-alcoholic beverages in open parties held in these
> hotels. This does not cover the serving of alcoholic beverages!
> Baltimore law specifies that in hotels, alcoholic beverages must be
> dispensed by hotel employees and/or hotel approved licensed
> bartenders.
Bucconeer's next Broadside newsletter, BS Five, is going to
be mailed in April. I will attempt to gather information on these
restrictions for an article for people wishing to host open or
closed parties at Bucconeer. The bad news is that these
restrictions even affect closed parties to a certain degree.
If you are planning to host an open party at Bucconeer, I am
collecting information for a preliminary party list in BS Five
as well. I need your information before February 28th.
I may be completely wrong--but it is my understanding that
we have decided that we will not be able to serve beer in
the con suite due to these restrictions. I'm quite disappointed
because we have some nice local brews we would have liked
to share. Well... there's always the Wharf Rat.
As I mentioned before, our webmasters are giving our web site
a complete make-over. One of the new items will be a FAQ for
party hosts. They're hoping that it will be ready in about two
weeks. (Unlike me, they have real jobs.)
Michael Nelson
pre.co...@bucconeer.worldcon.org
Kevin Standlee
"John Lorentz" <john_l...@planar.com> writes:
> Alison Scott wrote:
> >
> > micha...@aol.com (MichaelNel) wrote:
> >
> > >We don't have a corkage waiver for the Omni. (And
> > >our corkage waivers for the party hotels don't cover
> > >alcohol).
> >
> > Gosh, am I the only Brit who finds this extremely odd? A corkage
> > waiver that doesn't cover alcohol? What will these Americans think of
> > next?
>
> Unfortunately, it seems to one of those things that we're finding more and
> more at hotels here. Like convention room rates going away when the block
> is released. The hotel industry keeps demanding more and more, and there's
> not much that can be done since they tend to speak in unison. (I'm sure
> even the non-alcohol corkage waiver is already costing the convention some
> money.)
I've already stayed in hotels that included statements in their
information book that "all outside food and beverage will be subject to a
corkage charge" by which they mean that technically, if you bought a cola
and a bag of snacks at a local convenience store, the hotel reserved the
right to charge you a fee to bring it back to your hotel room.
Naturally, this sort of fee is unlikely to ever be charged in small-time
cases like this, but the hotels are starting to CLAIM THE RIGHT, and with
Worldcons not being small-time anymore, we're suffering from hotels
trying to get more and more money out of us.
(At this point in the discussion, some of you are probably complaining
that the hotel doesn't have any right to regulate your food and beverage
consumption in your privately-rented room. I suspect they do, unless
your local jurisdiction has some law prohibiting it.)
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Kevin Standlee
mi...@moose.demon.co.uk (Mike Scott) writes:
> On Wed, 28 Jan 1998 14:39:32 GMT, ali...@fuggles.demon.co.uk (Alison
> Scott) wrote:
>
> >Gosh, am I the only Brit who finds this extremely odd? A corkage
> >waiver that doesn't cover alcohol? What will these Americans think of
> >next?
> >
> >Not, of course, that alcohol is remotely useful at parties. Or at cons
> >generally. Dreadful stuff. Wouldn't touch it myself.
>
> Well, it seems strange to me, too, and I *genuinely* wouldn't touch it
> myself. Indeed, the OED (for one) is of the opjnion that corkage *only*
> applies to alcoholic drinks, so a "corkage waiver" that excludes alcohol
> is actually a waiver of nothing whatsoever (although I'm presuming it's
> merely misnamed, and is in fact a waiver of service charges for the
> consumption of privately supplied soft drinks and food. Or perhaps it's
> another difference between American English and English English.).
Well, you're right about the original definition, but in the hospitality
business the term "corkage" has been expanding to be a blanket term also
encompassing "forkage" (a similar service charge on outside food).
As someone leading a Worldcon bid myself (and thus being involved in
hotel negotiations), I'm not exactly thrilled about hotels' increased
aggressivness on expanding corkage/forkage charges. At this time, I
don't think SF2002 will be serving their Irish Coffees at Bucky.
Laurie D. T. Mann
MichaelNel wrote:
> I may be completely wrong--but it is my understanding that
> we have decided that we will not be able to serve beer in
> the con suite due to these restrictions. I'm quite disappointed
> because we have some nice local brews we would have liked
> to share. Well... there's always the Wharf Rat.
I have trouble believing that the hotel would be unwilling
to set up a cash bar and sell some interesting beer.
It's worked at a number of conventions over the last few
years that couldn't work out corkage problems. Many fans
understand that hotels are getting increasingly sticky
about the issue of alcohol at parties. The cash bar solution,
assuming the hotel understands the concept of "interesting
beer," is really no big deal (except to the underage).
The Wharf Rat is going to be packed all week. I hope the
weather is good enough that the outside patio will
be a useful option.
Dick Eney
In article <34D347...@city-net.com>,
Laurie D. T. Mann <lm...@city-net.com> wrote:
>I have trouble believing that the hotel would be unwilling
>to set up a cash bar and sell some interesting beer.
>It's worked at a number of conventions over the last few
>years that couldn't work out corkage problems. Many fans
>understand that hotels are getting increasingly sticky
>about the issue of alcohol at parties.
First time I ran into this (at a Balticon) I started stickering the area
with a recommendation I still think is the best, if not the only, way to
deal with this scam: Boycott the Hotel Facilities until they drop the
corkage rip-off.
-- Dick Eney
MichaelNel
>Laurie D. T. Mann <lm...@city-net.com> wrote:
>>I have trouble believing that the hotel would be unwilling
>>to set up a cash bar and sell some interesting beer.
>>It's worked at a number of conventions over the last few
>>years that couldn't work out corkage problems. Many fans
>>understand that hotels are getting increasingly sticky
>>about the issue of alcohol at parties.
There's no question that the hotels would love to sell
us boo$e. And as I stated, I don't know what Colleen
plans to do about beer in the con suite yet.
If her budget is large enough, it's quite possible there
will be free beer--served by hotel bartenders.
But I won't cry if beer is not available, there's plenty
of other places we can go and not put more money in
the hotels' pockets. Frankly, I'm driving to Baltimore.
I'll have a well-stocked cooler in my room. ;-)
Debra Fran Baker
In <XPo6Je...@LunaCity.com> Kevin Standlee <stan...@LunaCity.com> writes:
>I've already stayed in hotels that included statements in their
>information book that "all outside food and beverage will be subject to a
>corkage charge" by which they mean that technically, if you bought a cola
>and a bag of snacks at a local convenience store, the hotel reserved the
>right to charge you a fee to bring it back to your hotel room.
>Naturally, this sort of fee is unlikely to ever be charged in small-time
>cases like this, but the hotels are starting to CLAIM THE RIGHT, and with
>Worldcons not being small-time anymore, we're suffering from hotels
>trying to get more and more money out of us.
That hasn't been a problem for me personally (we negotiate con suite as
part of the hotel package.) Most hotels understand that "kosher" means
"we're not going to buy any food here anyway."
Debra
--
One sharp peppercorn is better than a basketful of melons.
-- Tractate Megillah 7A
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Debra Fran Baker dfb...@panix.com
John Lorentz
Laurie D. T. Mann <lm...@city-net.com> wrote:
>I have trouble believing that the hotel would be unwilling
>to set up a cash bar and sell some interesting beer.
I would believe the "cash bar" part, but the hotels willing to serve
"interesting" beer are few and far between...
--John
Janice Gelb
In article HAA2...@ladder03.news.aol.com, micha...@aol.com (MichaelNel) writes:
>
>But I won't cry if beer is not available, there's plenty
>of other places we can go and not put more money in
>the hotels' pockets. Frankly, I'm driving to Baltimore.
>I'll have a well-stocked cooler in my room. ;-)
>
And you announced this to the multitudes on Usenet? You
brave thing... :->
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MichaelNel
>From: jan...@eng.sun.com (Janice Gelb)
>Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom
>Date: 2 Feb 1998 20:21:52 GMT
>And you announced this to the multitudes on Usenet? You
>brave thing... :->
Ah... good thing I didn't mention the bottle of
twelve year old Talisker single malt (now fifteen)
picked up on the Isle of Skye before Intersection--
especially for Bucconeer.
Mark Tye
MichaelNel wrote:
>
> >From: jan...@eng.sun.com (Janice Gelb)
>
> >And you announced this to the multitudes on Usenet? You
> >brave thing... :->
>
> Ah... good thing I didn't mention the bottle of
> twelve year old Talisker single malt (now fifteen)
> picked up on the Isle of Skye before Intersection--
> especially for Bucconeer.
Your Talisker is safe. The hordes of vile fiends seeking an
undeserved share of that fine malt will be driven off by its
overpowering aroma. Only the truly worthy will even dare approach.
-- Mark "iodine, peat, and brine...mmmmm" Tye
E-mail reply hint: Have you driven a fnord lately? Didn't think so.
The facts and opinions expressed herein are ficticious. Any
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his employer, is coincidental and not intended by the author.
Andy Leighton
On 2 Feb 1998 23:05:13 GMT, MichaelNel <micha...@aol.com> wrote:
>>From: jan...@eng.sun.com (Janice Gelb)
>>Date: 2 Feb 1998 20:21:52 GMT
>
>>brave thing... :->
>
>Ah... good thing I didn't mention the bottle of
>twelve year old Talisker single malt (now fifteen)
>picked up on the Isle of Skye before Intersection--
>especially for Bucconeer.
But whisky doesn't improve in the bottle, so it is a bit
pointless saying now 15 years old.
Currently drinking an 18 year old Glenmorangie.
--
Andy Leighton => an...@azaal.dircon.co.uk
"... January is your third most common month for madness" - _Sarah Canary_
Alison Scott
"John Lorentz" <john_l...@planar.com> wrote:
>I would believe the "cash bar" part, but the hotels willing to serve
>"interesting" beer are few and far between...
I was wondering about this. Most hotels in the UK are tied, and many
don't have a cellar. The former prevents the sale of beer other than
that brewed by the parent company, and the latter prevents the sale of
cask-conditioned beer. The upshot is that unless the brewery produces
a bottle-conditioned beer (and most don't), you're probably out of
luck.
Having said that, we've had some notable successes. The Adelphi puts
real ale into a remarkably cellar-like corridor, seemingly carved from
solid marble, that stays relatively cool all weekend. Several small
cons have had a cask on the bar (this only works until the heat gets
to it, to be honest; the beer at Novacon was excellent on Friday and
terribly ropey by Sunday). At Year of the Wombat, they sold several
different bottled beer (only one bottle-conditioned, but you can't
have everything).
The Miscons have the best idea; they're held in a hotel which was the
original home of the RCH microbrewery (RCH is short for Royal Clarence
Hotel).
John Lorentz
Alison Scott <ali...@fuggles.demon.co.uk> wrote in article
<34dfb992....@news.demon.co.uk>...
> "John Lorentz" <john_l...@planar.com> wrote:
>
> >I would believe the "cash bar" part, but the hotels willing to serve
> >"interesting" beer are few and far between...
>
> I was wondering about this. Most hotels in the UK are tied, and many
> don't have a cellar. The former prevents the sale of beer other than
> that brewed by the parent company, and the latter prevents the sale of
> cask-conditioned beer. The upshot is that unless the brewery produces
> a bottle-conditioned beer (and most don't), you're probably out of
> luck.
In the States, it's mostly that the hotel bar will serve Bud, Bud Light,
Coors and something really exotic like Corona. The theory is, I guess that
you don't dare serve a beer that isn't found everywhere else in the country
because no one would ever try a beer they've never tasted before...
(We stopped by a Beverages and More store near the Potlatch hotel last
month. They had bottles of approximately 600 different beers. I counted
138 that I've had before, and they had a pretty small select of the Oregon
beers. I don't suppose there's a Beverages and More in Baltimore...)
--John
MichaelNel
>From: Mark Tye <mt...@fnord.com>
>Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom
>Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 16:26:06
>MichaelNel wrote:
>
>> Ah... good thing I didn't mention the bottle of
>> twelve year old Talisker single malt (now fifteen)
>> picked up on the Isle of Skye before Intersection--
>> especially for Bucconeer.
>
>undeserved share of that fine malt will be driven off by its
>overpowering aroma. Only the truly worthy will even dare approach.
>
For me, it tastes of memories. Two bottles were bought.
The first bottle was used to toast Baltimore's victory at
Intersection. The second bottle will be used to toast
the closing moments of Bucconeer.
I'm not a scotch drinker. My first trip to Scotland was
special and I hold the memory dear.
Geri Sullivan
John Lorentz wrote:
>
>
> In the States, it's mostly that the hotel bar will serve Bud, Bud Light,
> Coors and something really exotic like Corona. The theory is, I guess that
> you don't dare serve a beer that isn't found everywhere else in the country
> because no one would ever try a beer they've never tasted before...
>
> (We stopped by a Beverages and More store near the Potlatch hotel last
> month. They had bottles of approximately 600 different beers. I counted
> 138 that I've had before, and they had a pretty small select of the Oregon
> beers. I don't suppose there's a Beverages and More in Baltimore...)
The Smoked Porter from Alaskan Brewing was particularly tasty. Randy
Byers and I drank down several curious brews we found during a couple of
Potlatch outings to Beverages and More, but the Smoked Porter was the
only clear win in my book (so we went back and got more). Very smokey on
first taste, then it settled in and just *was* -- with no annoying
aftertaste or anything. Yum.
Given the wide selection, I was surprised Beverages and More didn't have
Old Brown Dog, or any of the other brews from the Smutty Nose Brewing
Company. Oh well, we managed.....
Geri
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-- Hunter/Garcia
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MichaelNel
>From: "John Lorentz" <john_l...@planar.com>
>Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom
>Date: 4 Feb 1998 23:13:25 GMT
>
>I don't suppose there's a Beverages and More in Baltimore...)
>
In the D.C. area, we have Total Beverages, which have a
nice selection of beers and wines. I don't recall how far
east the chain extents. Perhaps as far as Columbia, MD--
about 15 miles west of Baltimore.
Mark Tye
Andy Leighton wrote:
>
> Currently drinking an 18 year old Glenmorangie.
Ever had the version of that that's been conditioned in port wine
casks? It's quite nice, if you're not a purist who objects to the
concept of whisky that tastes of port.
-- Mark "orangie" Tye
Marilee J. Layman
In <19980205223...@ladder03.news.aol.com>, micha...@aol.com
(MichaelNel) wrote:
>>From: "John Lorentz" <john_l...@planar.com>
>>Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom
>>Date: 4 Feb 1998 23:13:25 GMT
>>
>>I don't suppose there's a Beverages and More in Baltimore...)
>>
>
>In the D.C. area, we have Total Beverages, which have a
>nice selection of beers and wines. I don't recall how far
>east the chain extents. Perhaps as far as Columbia, MD--
>about 15 miles west of Baltimore.
We have them in Prince William Co., VA. I thought of them when I saw
the original post, but I've never been in one, so I wasn't sure how
they might compare.
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