A recantation
Matthew B. Tepper
subject line of this thread I began in another newsgroup in 1998:
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Dorothy J Heydt
Matthew B. Tepper <oy兀earthlink.net> wrote:
>I hereby recant, totally and unreservedly, the sympathies contained in the
>subject line of this thread I began in another newsgroup in 1998:
>
>http://myturl.com/000T4
Why? What's he done now?
Dorothy J. Heydt
Albany, California
djh...@kithrup.com
Marilee J. Layman
<oy兀earthlink.net> wrote:
>I hereby recant, totally and unreservedly, the sympathies contained in the
>subject line of this thread I began in another newsgroup in 1998:
>
>http://myturl.com/000T4
You fell into the "hits my sweet spot" trap.
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That's why I'm voting for Kerry.
Dorothy J Heydt
Marilee J. Layman <mjla...@erols.com> wrote:
>On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 02:56:55 GMT, "Matthew B. Tepper"
><oy兀earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>I hereby recant, totally and unreservedly, the sympathies contained in the
>>subject line of this thread I began in another newsgroup in 1998:
>>
>>http://myturl.com/000T4
>
>You fell into the "hits my sweet spot" trap.
??????
Matthew B. Tepper
letters to be typed in news:I3EC...@kithrup.com:
> In article <pm6dj0pogr9qaame5...@4ax.com>,
> Marilee J. Layman <mjla...@erols.com> wrote:
>>On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 02:56:55 GMT, "Matthew B. Tepper"
>><oy兀earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>>I hereby recant, totally and unreservedly, the sympathies contained in
>>>the subject line of this thread I began in another newsgroup in 1998:
>>>
>>>http://myturl.com/000T4
>>
>>You fell into the "hits my sweet spot" trap.
>
> ??????
I've seen billboards for some McDonalds foodoid thing with the slogan, "It
hits my sweet spot," or something similar, accompanied by a photograph of a
smiling woman. Presumably it is intended to be suggestive.
Matthew B. Tepper
> In article <Xns9557CADDCD6...@207.217.125.202>,
> Matthew B. Tepper <oy兀earthlink.net> wrote:
>>I hereby recant, totally and unreservedly, the sympathies contained in
the
>>subject line of this thread I began in another newsgroup in 1998:
>>
>>http://myturl.com/000T4
>
> Why? What's he done now?
Endorsed the presidential candidate of the party other than his own.
Paul Ciszek
In article <Xns9557E5CE2A9...@129.250.170.91>,
Matthew B. Tepper <oyş@earthlink.net> wrote:
>djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) appears to have caused the following
>letters to be typed in news:I3E9p...@kithrup.com:
>
>> In article <Xns9557CADDCD6...@207.217.125.202>,
>>>I hereby recant, totally and unreservedly, the sympathies contained in
>the
>>>subject line of this thread I began in another newsgroup in 1998:
>>>
>>>http://myturl.com/000T4
>>
>> Why? What's he done now?
>
>Endorsed the presidential candidate of the party other than his own.
He apparently did so almost a year ago. Of course, Matthew can't
see this text.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/10/30/elec04.prez.miller.bush/
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Nate Edel
> >I hereby recant, totally and unreservedly, the sympathies contained in the
> >subject line of this thread I began in another newsgroup in 1998:
> >
> >http://myturl.com/000T4
>
> Why? What's he done now?
He was the keynote speaker tonight at the Republican convention. Basically
a long statement of why defense spending is good, John Kerry is evil, and
why he supports Bush.
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mike weber
>I hereby recant, totally and unreservedly, the sympathies contained in the
>subject line of this thread I began in another newsgroup in 1998:
>
>http://myturl.com/000T4
While Lieutenant Governor and Governor here in Georgia, Miller was
referred to as "Zigzag Zell" by some, a name he earned solely on his
own merits, i believe..
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Matthew B. Tepper
letters to be typed in news:2rpdj0la00hfv91mq...@4ax.com:
> On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 02:56:55 GMT, "Matthew B. Tepper" <oy兀earthlink.net>
> typed
>
>> I hereby recant, totally and unreservedly, the sympathies contained in
>> the subject line of this thread I began in another newsgroup in 1998:
>>
>>http://myturl.com/000T4
>
> While Lieutenant Governor and Governor here in Georgia, Miller was
> referred to as "Zigzag Zell" by some, a name he earned solely on his
> own merits, i believe..
What!? A politician who changed his mind and positions? What a rarity!
Marilee J. Layman
wrote:
>In article <pm6dj0pogr9qaame5...@4ax.com>,
>Marilee J. Layman <mjla...@erols.com> wrote:
>>On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 02:56:55 GMT, "Matthew B. Tepper"
>><oy兀earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>>I hereby recant, totally and unreservedly, the sympathies contained in the
>>>subject line of this thread I began in another newsgroup in 1998:
>>>
>>>http://myturl.com/000T4
>>
>>You fell into the "hits my sweet spot" trap.
>
>??????
Matthew liked Miller because he started giving out Mozart to new
babies. Matthew likes Mozart, that's his sweet spot. So he fell for
the guy giving out Mozart who turned out to be a rotten turncoat.
Matthew B. Tepper
following letters to be typed in
> On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 04:29:21 GMT, djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
> wrote:
>
>>In article <pm6dj0pogr9qaame5...@4ax.com>,
>>Marilee J. Layman <mjla...@erols.com> wrote:
>>>On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 02:56:55 GMT, "Matthew B. Tepper"
>>><oy兀earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I hereby recant, totally and unreservedly, the sympathies contained in
>>>>the subject line of this thread I began in another newsgroup in 1998:
>>>>
>>>>http://myturl.com/000T4
>>>
>>>You fell into the "hits my sweet spot" trap.
>>
>>??????
>
> Matthew liked Miller because he started giving out Mozart to new
> babies. Matthew likes Mozart, that's his sweet spot. So he fell for
> the guy giving out Mozart who turned out to be a rotten turncoat.
Bingo.
Dale
> Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
> > In article <Xns9557CADDCD6...@207.217.125.202>,
> > Matthew B. Tepper <oy?@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > >I hereby recant, totally and unreservedly, the sympathies contained in the
> > >subject line of this thread I began in another newsgroup in 1998:
> > >
> > >http://myturl.com/000T4
> >
> > Why? What's he done now?
>
> He was the keynote speaker tonight at the Republican convention. Basically
> a long statement of why defense spending is good, John Kerry is evil, and
> why he supports Bush.
It seems that most people out there on both sides of the political
aisle saw the speech as a massive failure and possibly damaging to the
Republicans. I did not see the speech but it seems that most people
thought Zell Miller came off as a raving loony tune. Or at best as a
bitter cantakerous old man who missed the days when conservative
dixiecrats like Richard Russell of Georgia and Easterland of
Mississippi controlled the party.
Based on what everyone says the speech would probably have very little
or potentially negative appeal to moderate and undecided voters. The
only ones who seemed to like are the far right wing.
Mark Jones
> It seems that most people out there on both sides of the political
> aisle saw the speech as a massive failure and possibly damaging to the
> Republicans.
Keep telling yourself that.
> Based on what everyone says the speech would probably have very little
> or potentially negative appeal to moderate and undecided voters. The
> only ones who seemed to like are the far right wing.
Sure. From what I've seen, it's the raving moonbat left who are foaming
at the mouth and (claiming to) think that Miller's speech is a failure
Michael Kube-McDowell
carefully left the following thoughtprints where they could be seen:
Just out of curiosity, Mark, do you recognize the existence of a "raving
moonbat right"?
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Mark Jones
> On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 10:20:05 -0700, Mark Jones <sin...@pacifier.com>
> carefully left the following thoughtprints where they could be seen:
>>>Based on what everyone says the speech would probably have very little
>>>or potentially negative appeal to moderate and undecided voters. The
>>>only ones who seemed to like are the far right wing.
>>
>>Sure. From what I've seen, it's the raving moonbat left who are foaming
>>at the mouth and (claiming to) think that Miller's speech is a failure
>>and "possibly damaging to the Republicans."
>
>
> Just out of curiosity, Mark, do you recognize the existence of a "raving
> moonbat right"?
The would the "tinfoil hat brigade" I've referred to repeatedly, most
loudly heard from during the Clinton administration. So, yeah.
Randolph Fritz
> Michael Kube-McDowell wrote:
>> On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 10:20:05 -0700, Mark Jones <sin...@pacifier.com>
>> carefully left the following thoughtprints where they could be seen:
>>
>> moonbat right"?
>
> The would the "tinfoil hat brigade" I've referred to repeatedly, most
> loudly heard from during the Clinton administration. So, yeah.
Does "I wish we lived in the day where you could challenge a person to
a duel" said to an interviewer asking hard questions qualify?
Randolph
Kevin J. Maroney
>Based on what everyone says the speech would probably have very little
>or potentially negative appeal to moderate and undecided voters. The
>only ones who seemed to like are the far right wing.
It's a 1992 Buchanan in a new bottle. Even Bush hurried to distance
himself from Zell, pointedly removing the invitation for Zell and Mrs.
Zell to sit with the Bush family during Thursday night's speech.
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David Dyer-Bennet
Not really, not for me. I'm willing to accept that as a short-term
blowing off of steam, a loss of temper, a loss of control. I'd agree
it's uncivil, I'd agree it tells you something about the guy's temper
at least, but it doesn't in and of itself reach moonbat/tin-hat
territory for me.
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typed
>On 2 Sep 2004 18:56:14 -0700, Shado...@aol.com (Dale) wrote:
>>Based on what everyone says the speech would probably have very little
>>or potentially negative appeal to moderate and undecided voters. The
>>only ones who seemed to like are the far right wing.
>
>It's a 1992 Buchanan in a new bottle. Even Bush hurried to distance
>himself from Zell, pointedly removing the invitation for Zell and Mrs.
>Zell to sit with the Bush family during Thursday night's speech.
McCain: Miller's attack on Kerry could hurt Bush
Fri Sep 3, 9:40 AM ET
By Janet Hook Tribune Newspapers: Los Angeles Times
Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), who has pushed for more civility in this
year's presidential race, is warning that the biting, angry attack on
Sen. John Kerry by a fellow Democrat at the Republican National
Convention on Wednesday night might harm President Bush's efforts to
woo swing voters.
McCain said the keynote address by Sen. Zell Miller (D-Ga.) could
prove as controversial as a speech by Patrick Buchanan at the 1992 GOP
convention in Houston.
<more>
David G. Bell
dd...@dd-b.net "David Dyer-Bennet" wrote:
> Randolph Fritz <rand...@panix.com> writes:
>
> > On 2004-09-03, Mark Jones <sin...@pacifier.com> wrote:
> >> Michael Kube-McDowell wrote:
> >>> On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 10:20:05 -0700, Mark Jones <sin...@pacifier.com>
> >>> carefully left the following thoughtprints where they could be seen:
> >>>
> >>> Just out of curiosity, Mark, do you recognize the existence of a "raving
> >>> moonbat right"?
> >>
> >> The would the "tinfoil hat brigade" I've referred to repeatedly, most
> >> loudly heard from during the Clinton administration. So, yeah.
> >
> > Does "I wish we lived in the day where you could challenge a person to
> > a duel" said to an interviewer asking hard questions qualify?
>
> Not really, not for me. I'm willing to accept that as a short-term
> blowing off of steam, a loss of temper, a loss of control. I'd agree
> it's uncivil, I'd agree it tells you something about the guy's temper
> at least, but it doesn't in and of itself reach moonbat/tin-hat
> territory for me.
Context matters, but I'd agree that this sounds more like poor self-
control than political extremism. It would depend a lot on what the
hard questions were.
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Daniel Silevitch
> On Saturday, in article <m2fz5ya...@gw.dd-b.net>
> dd...@dd-b.net "David Dyer-Bennet" wrote:
>> Not really, not for me. I'm willing to accept that as a short-term
>> blowing off of steam, a loss of temper, a loss of control. I'd agree
>> it's uncivil, I'd agree it tells you something about the guy's temper
>> at least, but it doesn't in and of itself reach moonbat/tin-hat
>> territory for me.
>
> Context matters, but I'd agree that this sounds more like poor self-
> control than political extremism. It would depend a lot on what the
> hard questions were.
The transcript for the show in question can be found at
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5892840/
Matthews' interview with Miller is roughly halfway down. The question
that triggered the duel response was
"A Republican Senator broke ranks and came over and spoke for the
Democrats, would you respect him?"
with a followup about Jim Jeffords, the Republican Senator who became an
independent a couple of years ago.
If you keep reading, you'll see that things rapidly became more polite.
-dms
Mark Jones
Dyer-Bennet <dd...@dd-b.net>:
>Randolph Fritz <rand...@panix.com> writes:
>
>> On 2004-09-03, Mark Jones <sin...@pacifier.com> wrote:
>>> Michael Kube-McDowell wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 10:20:05 -0700, Mark Jones <sin...@pacifier.com>
>>>> carefully left the following thoughtprints where they could be seen:
>>>>
>>>> Just out of curiosity, Mark, do you recognize the existence of a "raving
>>>> moonbat right"?
>>>
>>> The would the "tinfoil hat brigade" I've referred to repeatedly, most
>>> loudly heard from during the Clinton administration. So, yeah.
>>
>> Does "I wish we lived in the day where you could challenge a person to
>> a duel" said to an interviewer asking hard questions qualify?
I didn't see an interviewer asking "hard questions" there. I saw a
guy trying to score points with stupid questions (and, as usual,
trying to filibuster so the questionee couldn't get a word in edgewise
anyhow).
>Not really, not for me. I'm willing to accept that as a short-term
>blowing off of steam, a loss of temper, a loss of control. I'd agree
>it's uncivil, I'd agree it tells you something about the guy's temper
>at least, but it doesn't in and of itself reach moonbat/tin-hat
>territory for me.
I agree. No conspiracy theory, no over-the-top rhetoric about Chris
Matthews being the anti-Christ or Hitler or eating babies in his spare
time, which is what I think of at moonbat territory. Wishing he could
challenge someone to a duel doesn't necessarily imply a desire or an
intent to kill someone, either; the challenged party can always
apologize, and knowing that you _can_ be challenged is likely to
moderate everyone's rhetoric anyhow.
--
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-- Mr. Wolf, _Pulp Fiction_
Randolph Fritz
> NSA Transcript continues: (Sat, 04 Sep 2004 00:16:15 -0500) David
> Dyer-Bennet <dd...@dd-b.net>:
>
>>Randolph Fritz <rand...@panix.com> writes:
>>
>>>
>>> Does "I wish we lived in the day where you could challenge a person to
>>> a duel" said to an interviewer asking hard questions qualify?
>
> I didn't see an interviewer asking "hard questions" there. I saw a
> guy trying to score points with stupid questions (and, as usual,
> trying to filibuster so the questionee couldn't get a word in edgewise
> anyhow).
>
I don't know about you, but a challenge to a duel strikes me as a damn
poor way to answer stupid questions.
Randolph
Joel Rosenberg
It would to me, too, if it had happened. On the other hand, it
didn't. What the Senator expressed was a wish that the code duello
was still in force, not an actual challenge.
Arguably, nobody who wants to offer views that Matthews is
unsympathetic with should go on the show at all -- he's far worse on
interrupting than O'Reilly is (O'Reilly is fairly famous for telling
his guests to shut up, although that happens rarely; most of the time,
while he interrupts them, he makes a point to give guests with whom he
disagrees an uninterrupted last word) -- but, if they chose to, Miller
has shown the only way that seems to have worked to get one's point
across: shout for awhile, until Matthews shuts up and lets you finish.
Compare that, for example, with ol' Chris repeatedly interrupting
Michelle Malkin during her attempt to explain that when she was
talking about how at least one of Kerry's war wounds was, apparently,
self-inflicted, she wasn't suggesting that it was deliberately
self-inflicted. (There's ample reason to believe that it was
self-inflicted -- he apparently fired a grenade too close -- but no
reason that I'm aware of to believe that he did it on purpose. I'm
not even sure that there's persuasive evidence that it was really
negligent.)
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Mark Jones
>
>> On 2004-09-04, Mark Jones <sin...@pacifier.com> wrote:
>> > NSA Transcript continues: (Sat, 04 Sep 2004 00:16:15 -0500) David
>> > Dyer-Bennet <dd...@dd-b.net>:
>> >
>> >>Randolph Fritz <rand...@panix.com> writes:
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> Does "I wish we lived in the day where you could challenge a person to
>> >>> a duel" said to an interviewer asking hard questions qualify?
>> >
>> > I didn't see an interviewer asking "hard questions" there. I saw a
>> > guy trying to score points with stupid questions (and, as usual,
>> > trying to filibuster so the questionee couldn't get a word in edgewise
>> > anyhow).
>>
>> I don't know about you, but a challenge to a duel strikes me as a damn
>> poor way to answer stupid questions.
>>
>> Randolph
He didn't challenge him to a duel. He wished that it were _possible_
to challenge him to a duel. Clearly, he's aware that that is not an
option today.
And it may be a poor way to answer stupid questions.
It isn't necessarily a poor way to answer rude questions. (Of course,
his point might have been that if the possibility of a challenge
existed, Matthews might be more careful about abusing guests on his
show.)
Jack Foy
> While Lieutenant Governor and Governor here in Georgia, Miller was
> referred to as "Zigzag Zell" by some, a name he earned solely on his
> own merits, i believe..
It was on the merits of the Georgia Hope Scholarship he launched that I
was able to attend a good college tuition-free[0]. For that, I'm
grateful.
In national politics, though, I've found little common cause with him.
[0] (Until I crashed and burned the fall of junior year, but that's
somewhat beside the point.)
--
Jack Foy <ja...@gehennom.net>