WILL YOU ALL PLEASE LISTEN TO YOURSELVES???What the hell is up with all you people
BEBE...@my-dejanews.com
that you all feel that you can be this nasty???? Did any of you have parents
that taught you ANYTHING???? When I read statements like the ones you all
have been making (with the sole example of the Good Lady Beth) it makes me
very sorry for all of you. I am just a plain human being and very proud of
being just that. and here I made what I thought was a very sincere, well
intentioned and intriguing statement and invitation to what I thought were
decent and well mannered people and I GET NOTHING BUT NASTY AND STUPID
SHIT!!!
I mean it, you people should be deeply, deeply sorry about how you are
behaving and not just to me. If this were just about me I really wouldn't
care. But I get the very uncomfortable feeling that you are like this with
everybody. If your friends only knew, My God, they would not have you in
polite company. And please do not have the gall to laugh amongst yourselves
thinking "Oh the poor thing can't take it" YOU HAVE NOTHING TO BE PROUD OF
OR ANYTHING TO BE LAUGHING ABOUT! You should bow your heads in shame at your
behavior!!!
I sincerely hope none of you are teachers or parents or God help the next
generation that they should be influenced by people like you!!!
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Dan Goodman
<BEBE...@my-dejanews.com> wrote:
>What the hell is up with all of you people?? Where do you all live and work
>that you all feel that you can be this nasty????
In my case: I live in Minneapolis; a more polite city than the largest
American ones. I'm retired.
Did any of you have parents
>that taught you ANYTHING???? When I read statements like the ones you all
>have been making (with the sole example of the Good Lady Beth) it makes me
>very sorry for all of you.
Apparently, you haven't been reading your own messages.
I am just a plain human being and very proud of
>being just that. and here I made what I thought was a very sincere, well
>intentioned and intriguing statement and invitation to what I thought were
>decent and well mannered people
You insulted the membership of another newsgroup which some people here
contribute to. That wasn't very polite of you, and you shouldn't have
been surprised that it would offend some people.
and I GET NOTHING BUT NASTY AND STUPID
>SHIT!!!
>
>I mean it, you people should be deeply, deeply sorry about how you are
>behaving and not just to me. If this were just about me I really wouldn't
>care. But I get the very uncomfortable feeling that you are like this with
>everybody.
Perhaps you could be a good example? So far, you haven't been.
If your friends only knew, My God, they would not have you in
>polite company.
I think most of the people here have friends who've seen/heard them being
less polite -- sometimes with rather less provocation.
--
Dan Goodman
dsg...@visi.com
http://www.visi.com/~dsgood/index.html
Whatever you wish for me, may you have twice as much.
Loren Joseph MacGregor
: What the hell is up with all of you people??
(1) We disagree with you, which makes us scum.
(2) We use words more elegantly than do you, which makes us elitist scum.
(3) We don't like the show you like, which makes us tasteless scum.
(4) We respond to politeness with politeness, and we don't think you've
been polite in the least, which makes us rude scum.
Anything else you'd like to know?
o/~ As we come trolling, trolling... o/~
-- LJM
BEBEBABY2
No, nothing else. At least you admit that you All (except you Good Beth) are
scum.
BEBEBABY2
>> Where do you all live and work
>>that you all feel that you can be this >>nasty????
>
>In my case: I live in Minneapolis;
Well, God help Minneapolis
>>a more polite city than the largest
>>American ones.
You NOT being one of the beneficiaries of this particularcultural habit, I take
it?
>> I'm retired.
So you mean that you are OLD as well as impolite??
>Did any of you have parents
>>that taught you ANYTHING???? When I read statements like the ones you all
>>have been making (with the sole example of the Good Lady Beth) it makes me
>>very sorry for all of you.
>
>Apparently, you haven't been reading your own messages.
And I would think an old retired gentleman like you would also know better than
to be a LIAR as well.
>
>I am just a plain human being and very proud of
>>being just that. and here I made what I thought was a very sincere, well
>>intentioned and intriguing statement and invitation to what I thought were
>>decent and well mannered people
>
>You insulted the membership of another newsgroup which some people here
>contribute to. That wasn't very polite of you, and you shouldn't have
>been surprised that it would offend some people.
>
I hate to sound childish but only after they insulted me first. But I supposed
your old retired impolite brain does not remember that does it?
>>I mean it, you people should be deeply, deeply sorry about how you are
>>behaving and not just to me. If this were just about me I really wouldn't
>>care. But I get the very uncomfortable feeling that you are like this with
>>everybody.
>
>Perhaps you could be a good example? So far, you haven't been.
I think I would hold up a sincere and polite request as a shining example of
better behavior (however badly worded) than the very rude and arrogant behavior
you people have been displaying here.
>
>If your friends only knew, My God, they would not have you in
>>polite company.
>
>I think most of the people here have friends who've seen/heard them being
>less polite -- sometimes with rather less provocation.
>
And they still have you in their homes??? If this is what you are using to
prove your point that you have a good reason to act as disgracefully as you
have been to me, please find a better one!
Ray Radlein
>
[foaming rant]
My wife actually likes your show. For her sake, then, I beg you to
please shut the hell up; every time you post another message like this,
you are only making her look bad by association.
- Ray R.
--
***********************************************************************
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Ray Radlein - r...@learnlink.emory.edu
homepage coming soon! wooo, wooo.
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John Richards
>
> What the hell is up with all of you people?? Where do you all live and work
> that you all feel that you can be this nasty???? Did any of you have parents
> that taught you ANYTHING???? When I read statements like the ones you all
> have been making (with the sole example of the Good Lady Beth) it makes me
> being just that. and here I made what I thought was a very sincere, well
> intentioned and intriguing statement and invitation to what I thought were
> SHIT!!!
Well I can't think what would cause you to think that the denizens of
rasff are particularly decent or well mannered. But let's start with a
simple question. Who are you? I don't recognise the name. I just came
across a thread and found someone with a question mark fixation
harranging "all of you people", which presumably means me among others.
The answer to your questions are: Walton-On-Thames, Portsmouth & yes.
An expansion to the last. One of the things my parents taught me is that
it isn't wildly productive to walk into a bar and try and pick a fight
with everybody else there. I will admit that I had to extrapolate the
'Net equivalent but it doesn't seem to be too much of a stretch.
Oh, and by the way, if you are shouting in print capitals isn't enough.
You also have to bang the keys particularly hard otherwise it doesn't
work.
> I mean it, you people should be deeply, deeply sorry about how you are
> behaving and not just to me. If this were just about me I really wouldn't
> care. But I get the very uncomfortable feeling that you are like this with
> everybody. If your friends only knew, My God, they would not have you in
> polite company. And please do not have the gall to laugh amongst yourselves
> thinking "Oh the poor thing can't take it" YOU HAVE NOTHING TO BE PROUD OF
> OR ANYTHING TO BE LAUGHING ABOUT! You should bow your heads in shame at your
> behavior!!!
The people whom I think of as my friends are the one around whom I do
not feel constrained to act only in a manner that would be accepted in
polite company. People with whom you can make an total prat of yourself
and who will put up with you afterwards. Providing, of course, that you
don't make too much of a habit of it or that you make up for it in other
ways.
When in the comapny of strangers I tend to be a very different animal. I
enjoy formality and believe fervently that courtesy is the only
acceptable opening to an association. This includes an unwillingness to
preach standards to people who have not been introduced. However after
the amount of extraneous punctuation that has passed between us I feel
that I almost know you.
> I certainly hope none of you are teachers or parents or God help the next
> generation that they should be influenced by people like you!!!
Quite right. People like us should be shunned by all right thinking
people. Why don't you start now.
--
JFW Richards South Hants Science Fiction Group
Portsmouth, Hants 2nd and 4th Tuesdays
England. UK. The Magpie, Fratton Road, Portsmouth
Ulrika
Look, there's a really easy way to solve your problem.
If the way people react to you here bothers you, stop
posting here. Easy, innit?
"Yes, indeed, the Lord is a shoving leopard." -- Rev. W.A. Spooner
** Ulrika O'Brien-...@aol.com**
Gary Farber
: What the hell is up with all of you people?? Where do you all live and work
: that you all feel that you can be this nasty???? Did any of you have parents
: that taught you ANYTHING???? When I read statements like the ones you all
: have been making (with the sole example of the Good Lady Beth) it makes me
: very sorry for all of you. I am just a plain human being and very proud of
: being just that. and here I made what I thought was a very sincere, well
: intentioned and intriguing statement and invitation to what I thought were
: decent and well mannered people and I GET NOTHING BUT NASTY AND STUPID
: SHIT!!!
: I mean it, you people should be deeply, deeply sorry about how you are
: behaving and not just to me. If this were just about me I really wouldn't
: care. But I get the very uncomfortable feeling that you are like this with
: everybody. If your friends only knew, My God, they would not have you in
: polite company. And please do not have the gall to laugh amongst yourselves
: thinking "Oh the poor thing can't take it" YOU HAVE NOTHING TO BE PROUD OF
: OR ANYTHING TO BE LAUGHING ABOUT! You should bow your heads in shame at your
: behavior!!!
: I sincerely hope none of you are teachers or parents or God help the next
: generation that they should be influenced by people like you!!!
Oh, okay.
--
Copyright 1999 by Gary Farber; Web Researcher; Nonfiction Writer,
Fiction and Nonfiction Editor; gfa...@panix.com; B'klyn, NYC, US
Gary Farber
Ulrika <ulr...@aol.com> wrote:
: Look, there's a really easy way to solve your problem.
: If the way people react to you here bothers you, stop
: posting here. Easy, innit?
But then we'd miss such fine education in properly polite behavior as
"call endless people you've never heard from 'scum,'" question their
upbringing, call them "pigs," and generally rant and rave hysterically.
This poster is exercising public responsibility, by educating us so, after
all. Most commendable. And mildly amusing.
Beth Friedman
<19990111020738...@ng-fr1.aol.com>...
> >In rec.arts.sf.fandom, BEBE...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> >: What the hell is up with all of you people??
> >Anything else you'd like to know?
>
> No, nothing else. At least you admit that you All (except you Good
> Beth) are scum.
No, no; I'm scum, too. I insist upon it.
--
Beth Friedman
b...@wavefront.com
Beth Friedman
<3699A5...@learnlink.emory.edu>...
> BEBE...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> >
> [foaming rant]
>
> My wife actually likes your show. For her sake, then, I beg you to
> please shut the hell up; every time you post another message like
this,
> you are only making her look bad by association.
Which is exactly why my theory was that BEBEBABY2 is an agent
provocateur.
--
Beth Friedman
b...@wavefront.com
Dan Goodman
2) Actually, I've been polite to you so far. Not respectful, but polite.
In article <19990111023253...@ng-fr1.aol.com>,
BEBEBABY2 <bebe...@aol.com> wrote:
>>In article <77c0jk$ong$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
>> <BEBE...@my-dejanews.com> wrote:
>
>>> Where do you all live and work
>>>that you all feel that you can be this >>nasty????
>>
>>In my case: I live in Minneapolis;
>
>Well, God help Minneapolis
>
> >>a more polite city than the largest
>>>American ones.
>
>You NOT being one of the beneficiaries of this particularcultural habit, I take
>it?
>
>>> I'm retired.
>
>So you mean that you are OLD as well as impolite??
>
>
>>Did any of you have parents
>>>that taught you ANYTHING???? When I read statements like the ones you all
>>>have been making (with the sole example of the Good Lady Beth) it makes me
>>>very sorry for all of you.
>>
>>Apparently, you haven't been reading your own messages.
>
>And I would think an old retired gentleman like you would also know better than
>to be a LIAR as well.
>>
>>I am just a plain human being and very proud of
>>>being just that. and here I made what I thought was a very sincere, well
>>>intentioned and intriguing statement and invitation to what I thought were
>>>decent and well mannered people
>>
>>You insulted the membership of another newsgroup which some people here
>>contribute to. That wasn't very polite of you, and you shouldn't have
>>been surprised that it would offend some people.
>>
>
>I hate to sound childish but only after they insulted me first. But I supposed
>your old retired impolite brain does not remember that does it?
>
>>>I mean it, you people should be deeply, deeply sorry about how you are
>>>behaving and not just to me. If this were just about me I really wouldn't
>>>care. But I get the very uncomfortable feeling that you are like this with
>>>everybody.
>>
>>Perhaps you could be a good example? So far, you haven't been.
>
>I think I would hold up a sincere and polite request as a shining example of
>better behavior (however badly worded) than the very rude and arrogant behavior
>you people have been displaying here.
>>
>>If your friends only knew, My God, they would not have you in
>>>polite company.
>>
>>I think most of the people here have friends who've seen/heard them being
>>less polite -- sometimes with rather less provocation.
>>
>And they still have you in their homes??? If this is what you are using to
>prove your point that you have a good reason to act as disgracefully as you
>have been to me, please find a better one!
>
>
>
>
Dan Goodman
Ulrika <ulr...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>Look, there's a really easy way to solve your problem.
>If the way people react to you here bothers you, stop
>posting here. Easy, innit?
Some people think they have to continue until they win -- by the other
side surrendering. He may be one of them. (And the sun may rise
tomorrow.)
Alison Hopkins
BEBEBABY2 wrote in message <19990111020738...@ng-fr1.aol.com>...
>No, nothing else. At least you admit that you All (except you Good Beth)
are
>scum.
>
>
Ah, my dear, but haven't you ever noticed that scum rises to the top?
Ali the Truffle Hunter
Loren Joseph MacGregor
: BEBEBABY2 <bebe...@aol.com> wrote in article
: <19990111020738...@ng-fr1.aol.com>...
: > >In rec.arts.sf.fandom, BEBE...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
: > >: What the hell is up with all of you people??
: <snip>
: > >Anything else you'd like to know?
: >
: > No, nothing else. At least you admit that you All (except you Good
: > Beth) are scum.
: No, no; I'm scum, too. I insist upon it.
We're the fen-folk of RASFF, the Scum of the Universe,
We think that The Sentinel's a story by Clarke
You try to convert us, but insistence is futile,
if your show is the light, we will stay in the dark.
-- LJM
Marcus L. Rowland
<bebe...@aol.com> writes
>No, nothing else. At least you admit that you All (except you Good Beth) are
>scum.
I've stayed out of this so far because I have no knowledge of whatever
it is you're promoting (AFAIK it isn't shown on British TV), but your
agenda appears to be to insult as many people as possible, as loudly as
possible, and for as little reason as possible. Some of those you are
insulting are regular posters to this newsgroup and have some
understanding of it. You appear to have none.
Go away, you extremely boring person.
Thank you. Have a nice day.
--
Marcus L. Rowland
http://www.ffutures.demon.co.uk/ http://www.forgottenfutures.com/
"We are all victims of this slime. They... ...fill our mailboxes with gibberish
that would get them indicted if people had time to press charges"
[Hunter S. Thompson predicts junk e-mail, 1985 (from Generation of Swine)]
Dorothy J Heydt
Loren Joseph MacGregor <lmac...@efn.org> wrote:
>We're the fen-folk of RASFF, the Scum of the Universe,
>We think that The Sentinel's a story by Clarke
>You try to convert us, but insistence is futile,
>if your show is the light, we will stay in the dark.
YAY!!
Dorothy J. Heydt
Albany, California
djh...@kithrup.com
http://www.kithrup.com/~djheydt
_A Point of Honor_ is out....
Ailsa Murphy
dsg...@visi.com (Dan Goodman) wrote:
> In article <77c0jk$ong$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
> <BEBE...@my-dejanews.com> wrote:
> I am just a plain human being and very proud of
> >being just that. and here I made what I thought was a very sincere, well
> >intentioned and intriguing statement and invitation to what I thought were
> >decent and well mannered people
>
> You insulted the membership of another newsgroup which some people here
> contribute to. That wasn't very polite of you, and you shouldn't have
> been surprised that it would offend some people.
>
Also insulted at least one poster I can think of that all of us like &
respect, with no more provocation than the fact that she said she was
uninterested in the program he was talking about.
What _my_ mother taught me is if you insult someone in front of their friends,
you don't get to be shocked when those friends come to their defense.
When you walk into a place and are appallingly rude, it's rather disingenuous
to call others on their manners when they respond.
-Ailsa
--
But to explicitly advocate cultural relativism ailsa....@tfn.com
on the grounds that it promotes tolerance is to Ailsa N.T. Murphy
implicitly assume that tolerance is an absolute value. If there are any
absolute values, however, cultural relativism is false. -Theodore Schick
Ailsa Murphy
John Richards <jo...@panorama.panorama.com> wrote:
> Quite right. People like us should be shunned by all right thinking
> people. Why don't you start now.
>
Beautifully done! *applause*
Hill
BEBE...@my-dejanews.com wrote in message
<77c0jk$ong$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>I sincerely hope none of you are teachers or parents or God help the next
>generation that they should be influenced by people like you!!!
>
I myself am Pope. So put your shoes back on your feet, get outta my
fountain and GET YOU ARSE OUTTA ROME!
Joel Rosenberg
Beth Friedman wrote in message <01be3d83$d3179220$790d...@bjf.visi.com>...
It's true: BEBEBABY2's real name is "Sneaky" Weems.
Dave Locke
> Go away, you extremely boring person.
Telling a Tool to go 'way only keeps it around to whinge some more
about the injustice of it all. You hurt it's wittle feelings and it
just has to keep crying. Not unlike with a Troll coming back when it
gets fed, except that the motivation is different.
--
Dave | dave...@bigfoot.com |
"Call on God, but row away from the rocks." -- Indian proverb
Mitch Wagner
bebe...@aol.com says...
> >> I'm retired.
>
> So you mean that you are OLD as well as impolite??
> I hate to sound childish but only after they insulted me first. But I supposed
> your old retired impolite brain does not remember that does it?
Note to readers of rasff: This is an example of the polite behavior we
are supposed to aspire to. Bebebaby2 has a beef with Dan Goodman, and so
he casts aspersions on all old and retired people.
--
mitch w. thri...@sff.net
http://www.sff.net/people/mitchw
"If the critics unanimously take exception to one particular scene it
is advisable to move that scene to a more conspicuous place in the
program." -- Noel Coward
Mitch Wagner
> What the hell is up with all of you people??
The sky, the ceiling, the moon, stars, the sun.
> Where do you all live and work
> that you all feel that you can be this nasty????
I can't speak for anyone else here, but for me it's Southern California.
> Did any of you have parents
> that taught you ANYTHING????
Well, they taught me to lick myself and use the litterbox and--
no, wait, that was what my CATS' parents taught THEM. Never mind.
> When I read statements like the ones you all
> have been making (with the sole example of the Good Lady Beth) it makes me
> very sorry for all of you.
I know, I know, and I am just wracked with guilt over it.
>I am just a plain human being and very proud of
> being just that. ...
Not me. I'm a paramecium.
> and here I made what I thought was a very sincere, well
> intentioned and intriguing statement and invitation ...
Hint (repeated and paraphrased from my previous post, yesterday): to make
a "sincere, well-intentioned and intriguing statement and invitation" do
not refer to many of the people RECEIVING the statement and invitation as
"elitist pigs."
> to what I thought were
> decent and well mannered people and I GET NOTHING BUT NASTY AND STUPID
> SHIT!!!
>
Actually, I sent you some very nice shit. Watch your surface mail for a
package.
> I mean it, you people should be deeply, deeply sorry about how you are
> behaving and not just to me.
Again. Wracked with guilt. See above.
> If this were just about me I really wouldn't
> care.
Actually, it is just you.
> But I get the very uncomfortable feeling that you are like this with
> everybody.
Nah, most people have to pay to be treated like the way we treated you
for free.
> If your friends only knew, My God, they would not have you in
> polite company.
Actually, I much prefer IMPOLITE company. And loose wimmin.
> And please do not have the gall to laugh amongst yourselves
> thinking "Oh the poor thing can't take it"
Actually, I much prefer laughing up my sleeve. Although you can dislocate
a shoulder that way if you're not careful.
> YOU HAVE NOTHING TO BE PROUD OF
> OR ANYTHING TO BE LAUGHING ABOUT!
Oh, I don't know, as to "things to be proud of," I *finally* got around
to scrubbing my bathroom yesterday. And as to "things to laugh at," "Ally
McBeal" is on tonight.
Now go away or I shall taunt you again.
Mitch Wagner
says...
> BEBEBABY2 <bebe...@aol.com> wrote in article
> <19990111020738...@ng-fr1.aol.com>...
> > >In rec.arts.sf.fandom, BEBE...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
> > >Anything else you'd like to know?
> >
> > Beth) are scum.
>
LOL!
Just a second before I read this message, I was thinking, "Jeez, if I
were Beth I'd feel really left out."
Ken Walton
>
> BEBEBABY2 <bebe...@aol.com> wrote in article
> <19990111020738...@ng-fr1.aol.com>...
> > >In rec.arts.sf.fandom, BEBE...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> > >: What the hell is up with all of you people??
> <snip>
>
> > >Anything else you'd like to know?
> >
> > No, nothing else. At least you admit that you All (except you Good
> > Beth) are scum.
>
> No, no; I'm scum, too. I insist upon it.
>
up a slimy pseudopod and say "Me too!"
--
Ken Walton mailto: k...@sacnoth.freeserve.co.uk
http://www.sacnoth.freeserve.co.uk
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Jim Trash
>What the hell is up with all of you people??
Well, I think I may have the beginnings of a cold.
Am a trifle weary and aching.
Thanks for asking.
>it makes me
>very sorry for all of you.
Why, thank-you kind sir.
> I am just a plain human being
Whereas I am of multi-coloured hue.
>I sincerely hope none of you are teachers or parents
I know, I know.
Parents and teachers suffer terribly don't they.
Those who are, seem to bear their load awfully well.
I applaud your sincerity.
Love and kisses
Jim
http://www.scream.demon.co.uk Jim Trash
Jo Walton
jo...@panorama.panorama.com "John Richards" writes:
> When in the comapny of strangers I tend to be a very different animal. I
> enjoy formality and believe fervently that courtesy is the only
> acceptable opening to an association. This includes an unwillingness to
> preach standards to people who have not been introduced. However after
> the amount of extraneous punctuation that has passed between us I feel
> that I almost know you.
Rasff award.
That last sentence is just beautiful.
--
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First NorAm Public Appearance: Imperiums to Order, Kitchener, March 20th
Freshly UPDATED web-page http://www.bluejo.demon.co.uk - Interstichia;
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Elisabeth Carey
>
> BEBEBABY2 <bebe...@aol.com> wrote in article
> <19990111020738...@ng-fr1.aol.com>...
> > >In rec.arts.sf.fandom, BEBE...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> > >: What the hell is up with all of you people??
> <snip>
>
> > >Anything else you'd like to know?
> >
> > No, nothing else. At least you admit that you All (except you Good
> > Beth) are scum.
>
> No, no; I'm scum, too. I insist upon it.
You have probably just fried his mind, which is a public service
deserving of, if not the Medal of Honor, at least the Medal of RASFF.
Lis Carey
Berni Phillips
> > Did any of you have parents
> > that taught you ANYTHING????
>
> Well, they taught me to lick myself and use the litterbox and--
>
> no, wait, that was what my CATS' parents taught THEM. Never mind.
My mother taught me to always bring a book with me. And how to short
sheet a bed, something she learned in the service, I believe. My father
taught me how to put out a fire that arose during cooking.
> >I am just a plain human being and very proud of
> > being just that. ...
>
> Not me. I'm a paramecium.
I, myself, am rather plain but, like Katisha, have a left elbow that is
to die for. It's on display on alternate Tuesdays.
>
> > YOU HAVE NOTHING TO BE PROUD OF
> > OR ANYTHING TO BE LAUGHING ABOUT!
>
> Oh, I don't know, as to "things to be proud of," I *finally* got around
> to scrubbing my bathroom yesterday. And as to "things to laugh at," "Ally
> McBeal" is on tonight.
>
See the bit about the elbow above. I, too, laugh at "Ally McBeal." I
consider it science fiction. Surely all those characters (except
Georgia--I like her) are aliens.
Berni Phillips
aRJay
>What the hell is up with all of you people??
Too little sleep, too much to drink and a mild cold; thank you for
asking.
> Where do you all live and work
>that you all feel that you can be this nasty????
In England for a large company, but you seem to be jumping the gun
nobody that I've seen has been seriously nasty yet.
> Did any of you have parents
>that taught you ANYTHING????
Yes all sorts of things, including that it is rude too shout.
> When I read statements like the ones you all
>have been making (with the sole example of the Good Lady Beth) it makes me
>very sorry for all of you. I am just a plain human being and very proud of
>being just that. and here I made what I thought was a very sincere, well
>intentioned and intriguing statement and invitation to what I thought were
>decent and well mannered people and I GET NOTHING BUT NASTY AND STUPID
>SHIT!!!
If I post an invitation or some other information and every reply that I
see says that I shouldn't be posting adverts here, I tend to recheck
what I wrote to be sure that it was clear and unambiguous and said what
I wanted it to say. If a lot of people all misread your post the same
way it is pretty likely that the original post wasn't clear enough.
>
>I mean it, you people should be deeply, deeply sorry about how you are
>behaving and not just to me. If this were just about me I really wouldn't
>care. But I get the very uncomfortable feeling that you are like this with
>everybody.
I think you've just highlighted the problem, the last sentence leads me
to think that your first visit to this group was the first fateful post
that started this. In which case you've broken one of the best rules of
netiquette, read the posts in a group for a couple of weeks before
posting that way you will have a better idea of what any particular
group finds acceptable.
>If your friends only knew, My God, they would not have you in
>polite company. And please do not have the gall to laugh amongst yourselves
>thinking "Oh the poor thing can't take it" YOU HAVE NOTHING TO BE PROUD OF
>OR ANYTHING TO BE LAUGHING ABOUT! You should bow your heads in shame at your
>behavior!!!
>
>I sincerely hope none of you are teachers or parents or God help the next
>generation that they should be influenced by people like you!!!
>
>-----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------
>http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own
--
aRJay
Bernard Peek
>
>Quite right. People like us should be shunned by all right thinking
>people. Why don't you start now.
>
Two ears *and* the tail, I think.
Nicely executed sir.
--
Bernard Peek
b...@shrdlu.com
Vicki Rosenzweig
wrote:
>In article <77c0jk$ong$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, BEBE...@my-dejanews.com
>writes
>>What the hell is up with all of you people??
>
>Well, I think I may have the beginnings of a cold.
>Am a trifle weary and aching.
>
>Thanks for asking.
>
>>it makes me
>>very sorry for all of you.
>
>Why, thank-you kind sir.
>
>> I am just a plain human being
>
>Whereas I am of multi-coloured hue.
>
>>I sincerely hope none of you are teachers or parents
>
>I know, I know.
>Parents and teachers suffer terribly don't they.
>Those who are, seem to bear their load awfully well.
>
>I applaud your sincerity.
>
>Love and kisses
>
>Jim
>
>http://www.scream.demon.co.uk Jim Trash
Rassef Award, with genteel calligraphy.
--
Every now and then a madman's bound to come along.
Doesn't stop the story--story's pretty strong. Doesn't
change the song.... --Stephen Sondheim
Vicki Rosenzweig
v...@interport.net | http://www.users.interport.net/~vr
Bob Berlien
>
<snip>
I'll try another tack here: I'm going to assume (perhaps naively) that
you're not a Troll, but a well-meaning person, possibly rather young (if
I'm wrong, please pardon me, but I'm working from the impressions I've
gotten from your posts), who's in over his/her head. If you'll check,
you'll note that I've said nothing derogatory about you in my posts on
this topic. Here are a few hints for getting along on R.A.SF.F. (and
other groups as well):
1. R.A.SF.F. *is* a tough newsgroup; one of those "If ya can't stand the
heat, stay outta the kitchen" places. Rasseffarians don't suffer fools
lightly. That includes their fellow Rasseffarians. They haven't been any
harder on you than I've seen 'em be on each other. I've read posts
between people I know to be each other's long-time friends that have
caused an odd burning smell to come from my computer.
2. OTOH, R.A.SF.F. is a pretty *fair* newsgroup. One can make quite an
ass of one's self, be sternly taken to task, and have the whole thing
forgotten. It has to be that way, 'cause one of the things we're expert
in (and amongst us you'll find experts at a *lot* of things) is being
asses.
3. Try reading R.A.SF.F. for a while. You might also check out Vicki
Rozensweig's FAQ at
http://www.users.interport.net/~vr/rassef-faq.html
It's a darned interesting ng, & whether you stick with it, you probably
oughta know more about it than the threads you yourself have started.
Might give you a better picture of how folks on the ng think, why they
responded to you the way they did, etc. You might also find that you
actually *like* R.A.SF.F. If, on the other hand, you find that you
don't, you'll have at least educated yourself and can justifiably avoid
R.A.SF.F.
4. If by chance you decide you do like R.A.SF.F., welcome! Just remember
that if you post you'd better be able to take whatever gets thrown at
you, right down to having your punctuation corrected when what *you*
were trying to do was argue that chitterlings are Kosher if they're
fried with garlic in chili oil, coated with chocolate and served with
ale. I mostly lurk, though I've been on a posting spree lately, due to
being unemployed and the weather here in Chicago being so rotten.... Did
I mention that we tend to digress a lot, & that you shouldn't pay much
attention to what the headers say?
5. Don't yell. Turn off the caps key. Not to tar you with a rather dirty
brush, but the group's experience is that Trolls, Flamers and Spammers
are the ones who tend to OVERUSE CAPS FOR EVERYTHING! Yelling doesn't
garner you any respect or get you what you want; you may have noticed
this when dealing with your parents.
I honestly, sincerely hope that this helps, and that once you've checked
R.A.SF.F. out more thoroughly you'll better understand it, can make a
more informed judgment about it and its denizens, and can decide whether
to stick around. OTOH, if you really are just a Troll, I hope that
painful bubos form in your arm pits and groin, your spittle turns black
and that Beelzebub forces you to watch reruns of Space: 1999 for all of
eternity.
--
Bob Berlien
Yeah, so this is Pollyannaish. Wanna make something of it?
Fandom is a Contact Sport
BEBEBABY2
>Date: Mon, Jan 11, 1999 02:17 EST
>Message-id: <3699A5...@learnlink.emory.edu>
>
>BEBE...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>>
>[foaming rant]
>
>
>My wife actually likes your show. For her sake, then, I beg you to
>please shut the hell up; every time you post another message like this,
>you are only making her look bad by association.
Ray, I have not yet at this point read the rest of the messages that may be
posted here, but I would like to know why you have not said anything so far??
Or if nothing else why you did not have your wife say something. I would really
like to hear what she has to say on this subject.
Now I am going on to read the rest of these "glowing" repsonses.
Mitch Wagner
> See the bit about the elbow above. I, too, laugh at "Ally McBeal." I
> consider it science fiction. Surely all those characters (except
> Georgia--I like her) are aliens.
Phoeey on Georgie. She and Billy are the Hot Lips and Frank Burns of the
90s. They're always marching off as a pair to lecture someone or another
on the right and decent way to do things.
BEBEBABY2
>From: Bob Berlien <kat...@flash.net>
>Date: Mon, Jan 11, 1999 22:02 EST
>Message-id: <369ABB43...@flash.net>
>
>BEBE...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>>
><snip>
>
>I'll try another tack here: I'm going to assume (perhaps naively) that
>you're not a Troll, but a well-meaning person
Thank you very very much and I really do mean that.
> possibly rather young (if
>I'm wrong, please pardon me, but I'm working from the impressions I've
>gotten from your posts),
ooooookay, but moving on....
who's in over his/her head. If you'll check,
>you'll note that I've said nothing derogatory about you in my posts on
>this topic.
I haven't checked but I'll take your word for it.
>Here are a few hints for getting along on R.A.SF.F. (and
>other groups as well):
>
>1. R.A.SF.F. *is* a tough newsgroup; one of those "If ya can't stand the
>heat, stay outta the kitchen" places. Rasseffarians don't suffer fools
>lightly. That includes their fellow Rasseffarians. They haven't been any
>harder on you than I've seen 'em be on each other. I've read posts
>between people I know to be each other's long-time friends that have
>caused an odd burning smell to come from my computer.
I am sure you do realize that that really is not a good reason to do it.
>
>2. OTOH, R.A.SF.F. is a pretty *fair* newsgroup. One can make quite an
>ass of one's self, be sternly taken to task, and have the whole thing
>forgotten. It has to be that way, 'cause one of the things we're expert
>in (and amongst us you'll find experts at a *lot* of things) is being
>asses.
I wholeheartedly agree with you.
>
>3. Try reading R.A.SF.F. for a while. You might also check out Vicki
>Rozensweig's FAQ at
>http://www.users.interport.net/~vr/rassef-faq.html
>
>It's a darned interesting ng, & whether you stick with it, you probably
>oughta know more about it than the threads you yourself have started.
>Might give you a better picture of how folks on the ng think, why they
>responded to you the way they did, etc.
Mr. Berlien, I thank you for that statement but I once again want to invite you
and everyone else reading this to please go back and read the very first post.
The words" invitation" (or was it inviation??) were very clearly written there.
My "rantings", as you all have been most unfair in calling them have been
"defenses". I did not hurl the first brickbat. All anyone here with any shred
of politeness and decency had to do was simply decline with the good grace that
I would like to think everyones parents here taught them.
You might also find that you
>actually *like* R.A.SF.F. If, on the other hand, you find that you
>don't, you'll have at least educated yourself and can justifiably avoid
>R.A.SF.F.
Please do refer to my above comments. But I would like to add that I don't
know that I wish to be associated with people who think it is funny to be
cruel.
>
>4. If by chance you decide you do like R.A.SF.F., welcome! Just remember
>that if you post you'd better be able to take whatever gets thrown at
>you, right down to having your punctuation corrected when what *you*
>were trying to do was argue that chitterlings are Kosher if they're
>fried with garlic in chili oil, coated with chocolate and served with
>ale. I mostly lurk, though I've been on a posting spree lately, due to
>being unemployed and the weather here in Chicago being so rotten.... Did
>I mention that we tend to digress a lot, & that you shouldn't pay much
>attention to what the headers say?
See my response to #3
>
>5. Don't yell. Turn off the caps key. Not to tar you with a rather dirty
>brush, but the group's experience is that Trolls, Flamers and Spammers
>are the ones who tend to OVERUSE CAPS FOR EVERYTHING!
And also people who are being most cruelly and unncessarily abused who feel
extremely put upon.
Yelling doesn't
>garner you any respect or get you what you want; you may have noticed
>this when dealing with your parents.
My parents have always taken delight in being as kind and logical as
possible, not abusive, haughty, or egotistical and taught that to me from a
very early age. I thought all good parents did. I never needed to yell at
them.
>
>I honestly, sincerely hope that this helps, and that once you've checked
>R.A.SF.F. out more thoroughly you'll better understand it, can make a
>more informed judgment about it and its denizens, and can decide whether
>to stick around
I will have to give this a very long think through. You guys have a very long
way to go before you can ever convince me that I should align myself with this
group or even tell anyone else that they should. I don't think I would be able
to live long enough waiting for you all to change. Not unless a miracle happens
here overnight..
. OTOH, if you really are just a Troll, I hope that
>painful bubos form in your arm pits and groin, your spittle turns black
>and that Beelzebub forces you to watch reruns of Space: 1999 for all of
>eternity.
Uh... I'll be sure and tell that to the real troll.
You know I told people at work today about what happened to me here and they
all said "These people must have really needed something to do. They should be
thanking you."
Mr. Berlien I will thank you ( and you too Beth--wipe that scum off yourself.
You should know better.) for coming to your senses. I do sincerely hope you
feel better. And please tell your friends how nice it feels when you are kind
to someone. It might start a whole new trend.
Ulrika
In article <MPG.110405ed9cbb3bf39897d9@news>, thri...@sff.net (Mitch Wagner)
writes:
>> Where do you all live and work
>> that you all feel that you can be this nasty????
>
>I can't speak for anyone else here, but for me it's Southern California.
Yes, that *is* enough to make anyone, but anyone, nasty.
No lie.
"Yes, indeed, the Lord is a shoving leopard." -- Rev. W.A. Spooner
** Ulrika O'Brien-...@aol.com**
Bob Berlien
>
> >
> >From: Bob Berlien <kat...@flash.net>
> >BEBE...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> >>
> ><snip>
> >
> >I'll try another tack here: I'm going to assume (perhaps naively) that
> >you're not a Troll, but a well-meaning person
>
> Thank you very very much and I really do mean that.
You're welcome.
<snip>
>
> >Here are a few hints for getting along on R.A.SF.F. (and
> >other groups as well):
> >
> >1. R.A.SF.F. *is* a tough newsgroup; one of those "If ya can't stand the
> >heat, stay outta the kitchen" places. Rasseffarians don't suffer fools
> >lightly. That includes their fellow Rasseffarians. They haven't been any
> >harder on you than I've seen 'em be on each other. I've read posts
> >between people I know to be each other's long-time friends that have
> >caused an odd burning smell to come from my computer.
>
> I am sure you do realize that that really is not a good reason to do it.
Once again, things get pretty heated here, debate-wise. Perhaps this
particular kitchen's too hot for you. Note my sig file; "Fandom is a
Contact Sport" has several meanings, and you've run into an area of
fandom that enjoys heated debates and doesn't pull punches when
expressing an opinions (an area as old as fandom itself, I daresay). You
were being treated like a Regular. Congrats.
> >
> >2. OTOH, R.A.SF.F. is a pretty *fair* newsgroup. One can make quite an
> >ass of one's self, be sternly taken to task, and have the whole thing
> >forgotten. It has to be that way, 'cause one of the things we're expert
> >in (and amongst us you'll find experts at a *lot* of things) is being
> >asses.
>
> I wholeheartedly agree with you.
> >
> >3. <snip>...It's a darned interesting ng, & whether you stick with it, you probably
> >oughta know more about it than the threads you yourself have started.
> >Might give you a better picture of how folks on the ng think, why they
> >responded to you the way they did, etc.
>
> Mr. Berlien, I thank you for that statement but I once again want to invite you
> and everyone else reading this to please go back and read the very first post.
> The words" invitation" (or was it inviation??) were very clearly written there.
> My "rantings", as you all have been most unfair in calling them have been
> "defenses". I did not hurl the first brickbat.
Ah, but you did. You called rec.arts.sf.written, and therefore, I must
suppose, the people who post there, "elitist pigs". As others have
mentioned on this thread, the two groups have many folks in common. I
don't hang there much, but I know some of those who do, and I don't like
seeing my friends dissed. Neither do most of the other Rasseffarians,
from what I can gather.
As to the further hurling of insults, I draw your attention to Dorothy J
Heydt's follow-up to your initial post and your response to it. All Ms
Heydt did was express her feelings about the TV show -- this ng *is*
about discourse, and you will find opinions which differ from yours; she
said nothing about you personally.
You then proceeded to insult her intelligence, by referring to her brain
as "that negative, insulting,
humorless, boring and opinionated piece of mush". Who's insulting who?
All anyone here with any shred
> of politeness and decency had to do was simply decline with the good grace that
> I would like to think everyones parents here taught them.
Once again, we're all about discourse; say something, somebody's gonna
throw in their two cents' worth. R.A.SF.F. isn't into announcements
without commentary (We've too many Talmudic scholar-types for that;
there are Rasseffarians who would have debated Moses before his shoes
had cooled of from the trip down the mountain).
aRJay nailed it when he reminded you that good manners and sense tell
you to check out a newsgroup for a while before you post to it. You
didn't check out R.A.SF.F., and you got a surprise. Though I'll admit I
haven't done the research, I get the feeling that that's also true about
your dealings with rec.arts.sf.written.
> You might also find that you
> >actually *like* R.A.SF.F. If, on the other hand, you find that you
> >don't, you'll have at least educated yourself and can justifiably avoid
> >R.A.SF.F.
>
> Please do refer to my above comments. But I would like to add that I don't
> know that I wish to be associated with people who think it is funny to be
> cruel.
We *don't* think it's funny to be cruel, beyond some gentle joshing of
the type in which friends ordinarily engage, and we consider obvious
spam to be fair game. Insult one of us without knowing us, though, and
you'd best get ready for the shitstorm.
> >
> >4. If by chance you decide you do like R.A.SF.F., welcome! Just remember
> >that if you post you'd better be able to take whatever gets thrown at
> >you, right down to having your punctuation corrected when what *you*
> >were trying to do was argue that chitterlings are Kosher if they're
> >fried with garlic in chili oil, coated with chocolate and served with
> >ale. I mostly lurk, though I've been on a posting spree lately, due to
> >being unemployed and the weather here in Chicago being so rotten.... Did
> >I mention that we tend to digress a lot, & that you shouldn't pay much
> >attention to what the headers say?
>
> See my response to #3
See mine.
> >
> >5. Don't yell. Turn off the caps key. Not to tar you with a rather dirty
> >brush, but the group's experience is that Trolls, Flamers and Spammers
> >are the ones who tend to OVERUSE CAPS FOR EVERYTHING!
>
> And also people who are being most cruelly and unncessarily abused who feel
> extremely put upon.
Oh, Lordy..... You said "people"; don't you mean "me"? See immediately
below. Read it again.
> ***Yelling doesn't
> >garner you any respect or get you what you want***; you may have noticed
> >this when dealing with your parents.
>
> My parents have always taken delight in being as kind and logical as
> possible, not abusive, haughty, or egotistical and taught that to me from a
> very early age. I thought all good parents did. I never needed to yell at
> them.
Then why were you personally abusive to Ms Heydt and the rest of the ng?
What *would* your parents say if they saw how you've behaved in this
situation? Why haven't you followed their stainless example? (I'm not
being facetious here. These are the same sort of questions I'd ask my
14-yr-old son in a similar circumstance.)
*My* Mom & Dad taught me something important, too: "You catch more flies
with honey than with vinegar."
> >
> >I honestly, sincerely hope that this helps, and that once you've checked
> >R.A.SF.F. out more thoroughly you'll better understand it, can make a
> >more informed judgment about it and its denizens, and can decide whether
> >to stick around
>
> I will have to give this a very long think through. You guys have a very long
> way to go before you can ever convince me that I should align myself with this
> group or even tell anyone else that they should. I don't think I would be able
> to live long enough waiting for you all to change. Not unless a miracle happens
> here overnight..
Once again, we may not be the newsgroup for you, in which case your time
would probably be better spent elsewhere.
<snip>
>
> You know I told people at work today about what happened to me here and they
> all said "These people must have really needed something to do. They should be
> thanking you."
Did you let them read *every* post, including *your* first and second to
R.A.SF.F.?
>
> Mr. Berlien I will thank you ( and you too Beth--wipe that scum off yourself.
> You should know better.) for coming to your senses. I do sincerely hope you
> feel better. And please tell your friends how nice it feels when you are kind
> to someone. It might start a whole new trend.
I didn't come to my senses; never lost 'em in the first place. My
friends know full well how nice it feels to be kind to someone, or they
wouldn't be my friends.
--
Bob Berlien
Fandom is a Contact Sport
NOTE TO BETH: Ain't the scum *delightful* tonight?
Graydon
<kat...@flash.net> wrote:
>OTOH, if you really are just a Troll, I hope that painful bubos form
>in your arm pits and groin, your spittle turns black and that
>Beelzebub forces you to watch reruns of Space: 1999 for all of
>eternity.
This strikes me as lacking a certain something a Dark Fates go; could
you be convinced to change your vote for 'compelled to teach kif to
yodel while on board a submerged poorly maintained WWI submarine'?
--
"But how powerful, how stimulating to the very faculty which produced
it, was the invention of the adjective: no spell or incantation in
Faerie is more potent." -- "On Fairy-Stories", J.R.R. Tolkien
Graydon
BEBEBABY2 <bebe...@aol.com> wrote:
>Mr. Berlien, I thank you for that statement but I once again want to invite you
>and everyone else reading this to please go back and read the very first post.
>The words" invitation" (or was it inviation??) were very clearly written there.
Why would you think the invitation was appropriate?
You seem to be using a construction of manners in which the worst
possible thing to do is to cause someone else emotional distress;
you've fallen into a large group of people who use a construction of
manners in which being dishonest is much closer to being the worst
thing to do than causing distress is.
David Goldfarb
Mitch Wagner <thri...@sff.net> wrote:
)In article <77c0jk$ong$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, BEBE...@my-dejanews.com
)says...
)
)> What the hell is up with all of you people??
)
)The sky, the ceiling, the moon, stars, the sun.
Speak for yourself -- with me it's the direction of increased gravitational
potential energy.
--
David Goldfarb <*>|"As an adolescent I aspired to lasting fame, I
gold...@ocf.berkeley.edu | craved factual certainty, and I thirsted for a
aste...@slip.net | meaningful vision of human life -- so I became
gold...@csua.berkeley.edu | a scientist. This is like becoming an archbishop
| so you can meet girls." -- M. Cartmill
Jo Walton
ber...@ix.netcom.com "Berni Phillips" writes:
> Mitch Wagner wrote:
> >
> > In article <77c0jk$ong$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, BEBE...@my-dejanews.com
> > says...
>
> > > Did any of you have parents
> > > that taught you ANYTHING????
> >
> > Well, they taught me to lick myself and use the litterbox and--
> >
> > no, wait, that was what my CATS' parents taught THEM. Never mind.
>
> My mother taught me to always bring a book with me. And how to short
> sheet a bed, something she learned in the service, I believe. My father
> taught me how to put out a fire that arose during cooking.
Literally the only thing my mother ever taught me was not to judge a
book by the cover.
I was about 25 before it occurred to me that this could be applied
to things other than books.
Morgan
<jo...@panorama.panorama.com> said:
>When in the comapny of strangers I tend to be a very different animal. I
>enjoy formality and believe fervently that courtesy is the only
>acceptable opening to an association. This includes an unwillingness to
>preach standards to people who have not been introduced. However after
>the amount of extraneous punctuation that has passed between us I feel
>that I almost know you.
Remind me to ask you to marry me, and get you to bear my children.
--
Morgan
"Nunc demum intellego," dixit Winnie ille Pu. "Stultus et
delusus fui," dixit "et ursus sine ullo cerebro sum."
Doug Berry
BEBE...@my-dejanews.com slandered the Computer by saying:
>What the hell is up with all of you people?? Where do you all live and work
>that you all feel that you can be this nasty????
San Francisco, California. I can be polite in five languages.
You seem to be incapable of be polite in one. As for work, I
deal directly with the public (a usually tired irititable public)
on a daily basis, and have a great record of compliments and make
$50 in tips every day.
> Did any of you have parents
>that taught you ANYTHING???? When I read statements like the ones you all
>have been making (with the sole example of the Good Lady Beth) it makes me
>very sorry for all of you. I am just a plain human being and very proud of
>being just that. and here I made what I thought was a very sincere, well
>intentioned and intriguing statement and invitation to what I thought were
>decent and well mannered people and I GET NOTHING BUT NASTY AND STUPID
>SHIT!!!
Did your parents teach you that you should obey the Golden Rule?
You came into rec.arts.sf.fandom, and called the readers of
rec.arts.sf.written elitist pigs because they disagreed with you
and your posting. Did it not occur to you that there *might* be
a significant cross readership between the groups?
Your statement was nothing more than an ad for a mariginal tv
show, one that I have watched in the past, and no longer bother
with. It was wrapped in very insulting language, so why are you
surprised that you touched on a few nerves?
>I mean it, you people should be deeply, deeply sorry about how you are
>behaving and not just to me. If this were just about me I really wouldn't
>care. But I get the very uncomfortable feeling that you are like this with
>everybody. If your friends only knew, My God, they would not have you in
>polite company. And please do not have the gall to laugh amongst yourselves
>thinking "Oh the poor thing can't take it" YOU HAVE NOTHING TO BE PROUD OF
>OR ANYTHING TO BE LAUGHING ABOUT! You should bow your heads in shame at >your behavior!!!
You should talk. Read you own post. Are you a teacher or
parent? I am far from like this with everybody, but if I were,
for example, chatting with Aazh at a con party, and you came
barging up to us and rudely interrupted us with a
profanity-laced, insultuing rant, you can bet that my response
would immediate and final.
>I sincerely hope none of you are teachers or parents or God help the next
>generation that they should be influenced by people like you!!!
There are several teachers and parents here, all of whopm could
give lessons in how to raise and teach intelligent, inquisitive
children.
BTW: From what I understand, "The Sentinel" is still tanking, and
will be pulled in a few weeks. So the entire point is moot.
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James Nicoll
Berni Phillips <ber...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>
>
>See the bit about the elbow above. I, too, laugh at "Ally McBeal." I
>consider it science fiction. Surely all those characters (except
>Georgia--I like her) are aliens.
I OTOH can't watch AB for more than about a minute before I
change channels. What's the attraction?
--
March 20, 1999: Imperiums To Order's 15th Anniversary Party. Guests include
Rob Sawyer [SF author], Jo Walton [game designer and soon to be published
fantasy author] and James Gardner [SF author]. DP9 is a definite maybe.
Imperiums is at 12 Church Street, Kitchener, Ontario, Canada.
Doug Berry
"Alison Hopkins" <fn...@dial.pipex.com> slandered the Computer by
saying:
>BEBEBABY2 wrote in message <19990111020738...@ng-fr1.aol.com>...
>>No, nothing else. At least you admit that you All (except you Good Beth)
>>are scum.
>Ah, my dear, but haven't you ever noticed that scum rises to the top?
But of course, why else do we we keep our truffle-hunting eltist
noses pointed up?
Doug Berry
gold...@OCF.Berkeley.EDU (David Goldfarb) slandered the Computer
by saying:
>In article <MPG.110405ed9cbb3bf39897d9@news>,
>Mitch Wagner <thri...@sff.net> wrote:
>)In article <77c0jk$ong$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, BEBE...@my-dejanews.com
>)says...
>)
>)> What the hell is up with all of you people??
>)
>)The sky, the ceiling, the moon, stars, the sun.
>
>Speak for yourself -- with me it's the direction of increased gravitational
>potential energy.
Or, in the northern hemisphere, it is used as an indication of
points north of your current position ("let's go up to Napa").
Alter S. Reiss
> !!!
Multiple exclamation marks, eh? We all know what that means,
don't we?
--
Alter S. Reiss --- www.geocities.com/Area51/2129 --- asr...@ymail.yu.edu
"Allright, I think I've figured it out. It can go up
or down, but not side-to-side or backwards in time."
Doug Berry
bebe...@aol.com (BEBEBABY2) slandered the Computer by saying:
>>From: Bob Berlien <kat...@flash.net>
>>Date: Mon, Jan 11, 1999 22:02 EST
>>Message-id: <369ABB43...@flash.net>
>Please do refer to my above comments. But I would like to add that I don't
>know that I wish to be associated with people who think it is funny to be
>cruel.
Sop calling us elitists, deriding our mental capabilities,
insulting or parents and our ability to be parents all caused you
great pain? Guess what, you started slinging mud first, and we
responded in kind. If you somehow expect us to quaver in awe,
forget it.
Did you consider searching the alt.tv.hierarchy for groups
dedicated to shows similar to The Sentinel? A quick look shows
groups for Brimstone, Nowhere Man, and a host other fringe SF
series. Tell them about the big return of your favorite show.
>>5. Don't yell. Turn off the caps key. Not to tar you with a rather dirty
>>brush, but the group's experience is that Trolls, Flamers and Spammers
>>are the ones who tend to OVERUSE CAPS FOR EVERYTHING!
>
>And also people who are being most cruelly and unncessarily abused who feel
>extremely put upon.
Oh, please. You have hardly been abused. You have been
ridiculed after insulting several regulars. In addition,
searching Deja-News reveals that you seem to be getting this
reaction all over the net.
Here is a clue: The vast majority of humanity doesn't care about
The Sentinel. 99% of humanity will live complete, spiritually
fulfilling lives without seeing The Sentinel. Mahatma Gandhi
liberated India without viewing The Sentinel.
>My parents have always taken delight in being as kind and logical as
>possible, not abusive, haughty, or egotistical and taught that to me from a
>very early age. I thought all good parents did. I never needed to yell at
>them.
OK, let's look at what you learned: You accuse r.a.sd.w of being
elitist because they didn't agree with you. That's pretty
egotistical to accuse an entire population of a group of such a
thing after a few posts. Spamming to groups that have names that
indicate little or no interest in the show strikes me as very
rude. Would enjoy it if I cornered you for a lecture on
space-based industries during a Sentinel con?
>I will have to give this a very long think through. You guys have a very >long way to go before you can ever convince me that I should align myself >with this group or even tell anyone else that they should. I don't think I
>would be able to live long enough waiting for you all to change. Not unless >a miracle happens here overnight..
Having read your posts in Deja-News, I can honestly say that you
should really take all the time you want.
>You know I told people at work today about what happened to me here and they
>all said "These people must have really needed something to do. They should >be thanking you."
rasff award: "The Lurkers Support Me in Email" variant.
>Mr. Berlien I will thank you ( and you too Beth--wipe that scum off >yourself. You should know better.) for coming to your senses. I do
>sincerely hope you feel better. And please tell your friends how nice it
>feels when you are kind to someone. It might start a whole new trend.
Folks, go out to http://www.dejanews.com/ and look up this guy's
profile. He seems to be a few psi short of one atmosphere.
Dorothy J Heydt
Doug Berry <dbe...@hooked.net> wrote:
>
>BTW: From what I understand, "The Sentinel" is still tanking, and
>will be pulled in a few weeks. So the entire point is moot.
Just out of the depths of my boundless ignorance, does or did this
show have anything to do with SF? I mean, would the guy have
been less inappropriate if he'd posted to rec.arts.sf.movies?
Dorothy J. Heydt
Albany, California
djh...@kithrup.com
http://www.kithrup.com/~djheydt
_A Point of Honor_ is out....
Kevin J. Maroney
>Literally the only thing my mother ever taught me was not to judge a
>book by the cover.
My mother's parents divorced when she was fairly young; mother once
told me that the only thing she can remember ever learning from her
father was "Beer never tastes as good after it's been frozen."
Since my mother does not drink beer, this has not particularly served
her well in this hectic modern world, but at least it's not nothing.
Kevin Maroney | kmar...@crossover.com
Kitchen Staff Supervisor
The New York Review of Science Fiction
http://ebbs.english.vt.edu/olp/nyrsf/nyrsf.html
Steve Glover
<k...@sacnoth.freeserve.co.uk> writes
>> No, no; I'm scum, too. I insist upon it.
>>
>Well, I've stayed out of this argument so far, but I'd just like to hold
>up a slimy pseudopod and say "Me too!"
"I'm scum, and so's my wife..."
Steve
--
Steve Glover
Kate Schaefer
In a previous article, b...@wavefront.com ("Beth Friedman") says:
>BEBEBABY2 <bebe...@aol.com> wrote in article
><19990111020738...@ng-fr1.aol.com>...
>> >In rec.arts.sf.fandom, BEBE...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>> >: What the hell is up with all of you people??
><snip>
>
>> >Anything else you'd like to know?
>>
>> No, nothing else. At least you admit that you All (except you Good
>> Beth) are scum.
>
>No, no; I'm scum, too. I insist upon it.
You can be that rather attractive green scum with the filigreed patterns,
while the rest of us are the less pleasant brown scum with no
organizational principle whatsoever.
We scum like to stick together.
--
Kate Schaefer
ka...@scn.org
Jonathan J. Baker
>>In rec.arts.sf.fandom, BEBE...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>>: What the hell is up with all of you people??
>>(1) We disagree with you, which makes us scum.
>>(2) We use words more elegantly than do you, which makes us
>>elegantly than do you, which makes us elitist scum.
>>(3) We don't like the show you like, which makes us tasteless scum.
>>(4) We respond to politeness with politeness, and we don't think you've
>>been polite in the least, which makes us rude scum.
>>Anything else you'd like to know?
>No, nothing else. At least you admit that you All (except you Good Beth) are
>scum.
Another example of M. Schorr's observation that SDNWOTN: Sarcasm Does Not
Work On The Net.
--
Jonathan Baker | Why does Tebeth have 29 days?
jjb...@panix.com | No A"Z: we don't have a Lama in Tibet.
James Nicoll
Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
>In article <369b6601...@news.wenet.net>,
>Doug Berry <dbe...@hooked.net> wrote:
>>
>>BTW: From what I understand, "The Sentinel" is still tanking, and
>>will be pulled in a few weeks. So the entire point is moot.
>
>Just out of the depths of my boundless ignorance, does or did this
>show have anything to do with SF? I mean, would the guy have
>been less inappropriate if he'd posted to rec.arts.sf.movies?
Main character has grossly heightened senses. All he can
think to do with them is Fight Crime. I'd think about working
for the EPA, maybe, or having serious fun exploring the applications.
Mitch Wagner
says...
> >> that you all feel that you can be this nasty????
> >
>
> Yes, that *is* enough to make anyone, but anyone, nasty.
> No lie.
Yes, absolutely. Southern California is a terrible, terrible place, and
no one should even THINK about moving here and making the place more
crowded.
Don't even come to visit. It's too late for me, save yourselves.
Gary Farber
: In article <F5GHH...@kithrup.com>,
: Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
:>In article <369b6601...@news.wenet.net>,
:>Doug Berry <dbe...@hooked.net> wrote:
:>>
:>>BTW: From what I understand, "The Sentinel" is still tanking, and
:>>will be pulled in a few weeks. So the entire point is moot.
:>
:>Just out of the depths of my boundless ignorance, does or did this
:>show have anything to do with SF? I mean, would the guy have
:>been less inappropriate if he'd posted to rec.arts.sf.movies?
: Main character has grossly heightened senses. All he can
: think to do with them is Fight Crime. I'd think about working
: for the EPA, maybe, or having serious fun exploring the applications.
I only checked out the show a handful of times before determining that I
didn't find it terribly interesting, but the character in question had
already been a cop for years when his powers Came On, so continuing to use
them to do what he does, not to mention that it's The Obvious Traditional
Dramatic Hook, is hardly surprising.
I did, incidentally, check DejaNews on our enthusiastic and denunciatory
friend, and while I agree that his post to r.a.sf.w was pretty much
off-topic, and a bit clueless, I must say that I was a bit uncomfortable
with a couple of the responses he got there, in that I feel a couple came
a bit too close to the borderline of appearing to be as much affected by a
tad of homophobia in rejecting what Young Ranter was saying as much as
they were objecting to a mediocre clueless off-topic post. And
incidentally, several of the posters seemed to believe he was an employee
of UPN, which is even more clueless than the original post. None of which
excuses his ridiculous behavior in r.a.sf.f (and he's done the same
dynamic in r.a.sf.tv, by the way), but FWIW.
--
Copyright 1999 by Gary Farber; Web Researcher; Nonfiction Writer,
Fiction and Nonfiction Editor; gfa...@panix.com; B'klyn, NYC, US
Mitch Wagner
jam...@ece.uwaterloo.ca says...
> In article <369AA1...@ix.netcom.com>,
> Berni Phillips <ber...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >>
> >
> >See the bit about the elbow above. I, too, laugh at "Ally McBeal." I
> >consider it science fiction. Surely all those characters (except
> >Georgia--I like her) are aliens.
>
> I OTOH can't watch AB for more than about a minute before I
> change channels. What's the attraction?
It's hard to articulate: why do you like YOUR favorite TV show?
I find "Ally McBeal" to be well-written, well-acted, thoughtful and just
plain zany and bizarre. I love the way they mix crude computer
animation and live-action to illustrate characters' inner fantasy lives,
I love the running gags--"I like a fresh bowl," "That was a Fishism,"
"That would be very hurtful if I had any feelings"--I love the soundtrack
(in context--I don't like it enough to buy the album), and I love John
Cage although I confess I liked him better last season when he was a
super pit-bull litigator and I don't care for him as much now that we've
seen the softer side of the Biscuit.
The key to understanding "Ally McBeal" is to understand that Ally is NOT
supposed to be a role-model, she's not the ideal woman, she's simply a
cartoon character of a professional woman. Like all Americans of her age
and class (including me) she was raised with two conflicting views of
gender roles: the traditional view where the man went off to the office
and worked while the wife stays home and takes care of the house and
kiddies and greets hubby at the door at 5:45 p.m. wearing pearls and high
heels and bearing a martini; and also the feminist view where she has a
career as a high-powered attorney and is in control of her own sexual
being. Those two views are contradictory, nobody can have them both, yet
Ally was raised to WANT them both, and she still wants them both.
And now, after all this praise, I will say that some of "Ally McBeal"'s
bits are stupid. In particular, the show seems to have a vendetta against
sexual harassment laws, which I find somewhat troubling.
Bob Berlien
<snip>
> I did, incidentally, check DejaNews on our enthusiastic and denunciatory
> friend, and while I agree that his post to r.a.sf.w was pretty much
> off-topic, and a bit clueless, I must say that I was a bit uncomfortable
> with a couple of the responses he got there, in that I feel a couple came
> a bit too close to the borderline of appearing to be as much affected by a
> tad of homophobia in rejecting what Young Ranter was saying as much as
> they were objecting to a mediocre clueless off-topic post. And
> incidentally, several of the posters seemed to believe he was an employee
> of UPN, which is even more clueless than the original post. None of which
> excuses his ridiculous behavior in r.a.sf.f (and he's done the same
> dynamic in r.a.sf.tv, by the way), but FWIW.
>
Yeah, I figured he (?) wasn't an intentional Troll, which is why I tried
education as opposed to snarkiness (Why waste good vitriol on total
strangers?). Obviously BEBE's a person with some *issues*, who's more to
be pitied than censured (and homophobia is never justified). Perhaps age
will help. Or if he's not a youngster, maybe lithium or depakote --
works for me....
Alison Hopkins
Kevin J. Maroney wrote in message
>My mother's parents divorced when she was fairly young; mother once
>told me that the only thing she can remember ever learning from her
>father was "Beer never tastes as good after it's been frozen."
>
>Since my mother does not drink beer, this has not particularly served
>her well in this hectic modern world, but at least it's not nothing.
>
>
My mother's useful bit of advice was never to go upstairs without taking
something with you that needed to go back to where it lived!
Ali
Alison Hopkins
Mitch Wagner wrote in message ...
>Yes, absolutely. Southern California is a terrible, terrible place, and
>no one should even THINK about moving here and making the place more
>crowded.
Ah. So you wouldn't approve of my long term plan to retire to San Diego,
then? :)
>
>Don't even come to visit. It's too late for me, save yourselves.
>
<snicker>
My favourite SD bumper sticker; "There is no intelligent life East of I-5!"
:)
Ali
Alan Woodford
<st...@fell.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <369A5271...@sacnoth.freeserve.co.uk>, Ken Walton
><k...@sacnoth.freeserve.co.uk> writes
>
>>> No, no; I'm scum, too. I insist upon it.
>>>
>>Well, I've stayed out of this argument so far, but I'd just like to hold
>>up a slimy pseudopod and say "Me too!"
>
>"I'm scum, and so's my wife..."
>
>
Well, you do get a fine class of scum on this side of the pond.
Alan "I buy my Skum from Ikea" Woodford
Men in Frocks, protecting the Earth with mystical flummery!
Mitch Wagner
says...
> My favourite SD bumper sticker; "There is no intelligent life East of I-5!"
I would be offended by that if I were able to read.
James Nicoll
Gary Farber <gfa...@panix.com> wrote:
>In <91617048...@watserv5.uwaterloo.ca> James Nicoll <jam...@ece.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
>
>: Main character has grossly heightened senses. All he can
>: think to do with them is Fight Crime. I'd think about working
>: for the EPA, maybe, or having serious fun exploring the applications.
>
>I only checked out the show a handful of times before determining that I
>didn't find it terribly interesting, but the character in question had
>already been a cop for years when his powers Came On, so continuing to use
>them to do what he does, not to mention that it's The Obvious Traditional
>Dramatic Hook, is hardly surprising.
Well, it is a sensible decision from *his* POV but the writers
chose to make him a cop in the first place. Even if he'd been a crook
it would have been imo more interesting.
You know, a friend ran an rpg in which everyone woke up with
5% body fat and superpowers. The only guy who tried his hand at
crime fighting was the extremely strong person who pulled a criminal
out of a car without remembering to undo the fellow's seatbelt. Everyone
else formed companies to exploit their abilities for pay. Vigilanteism
just isn't a Canadian tradition, I guess.
Not that the Sentinel is a vigilante, though.
James Nicoll
James Nicoll
Ken Walton
> This strikes me as lacking a certain something a Dark Fates go; could
> you be convinced to change your vote for 'compelled to teach kif to
> yodel while on board a submerged poorly maintained WWI submarine'?
Isn't that the sort of thing Jo does for fun? Strikes me as less
dangerous that kissing them at Kefk.
--
Ken Walton http://www.sacnoth.freeserve.co.uk
=====================================================================
"Sainte-Beuve, as he grew older, came to regard all experience as a
single great book, in which to study for a few years ere we go hence;
and it seemed all one to him whether you should read in Chapter XX,
which is the differential calculus, or in Chapter XXXIX, which is
hearing the band play in the gardens." - Robert Louis Stevenson
Doug Berry
"Alison Hopkins" <fn...@dial.pipex.com> slandered the Computer by
saying:
>>My mother's parents divorced when she was fairly young; mother once
My mom taught me to "Think of it as an adventure." This lesson
usually came right after my directionally-challenged,
map-illiterate, mother had gotten us severely lost.
Good advice, since it's seen me through the Army, cancer, and
several other adventures of note.
BEBEBABY2
>BEBEBABY2 wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >From: Bob Berlien <kat...@flash.net>
>
>> >Here are a few hints for getting along on R.A.SF.F. (and
>> >other groups as well):
>> >
>> >1. R.A.SF.F. *is* a tough newsgroup; one of those "If ya can't stand the
>> >heat, stay outta the kitchen" places. Rasseffarians don't suffer fools
>> >lightly. That includes their fellow Rasseffarians. They haven't been any
>> >harder on you than I've seen 'em be on each other. I've read posts
>> >between people I know to be each other's long-time friends that have
>> >caused an odd burning smell to come from my computer.
>>
>> I am sure you do realize that that really is not a good reason to do it.
>
>Once again, things get pretty heated here, debate-wise.
Please explain to me why I ever had to debate an invitation?
Perhaps this
>particular kitchen's too hot for you. Note my sig file; "Fandom is a
>Contact Sport" has several meanings, and you've run into an area of
>fandom that enjoys heated debates and doesn't pull punches when
>expressing an opinions (an area as old as fandom itself, I daresay).
Again, please see my answer to #1
You
>were being treated like a Regular. Congrats.
>
Mr. Berlien you, then, must have the hide of an alligator and I do mean that
as a compliment.
>> >
>> >3. <snip>...It's a darned interesting ng, & whether you stick with it, you
>probably
>> >oughta know more about it than the threads you yourself have started.
>> >Might give you a better picture of how folks on the ng think, why they
>> >responded to you the way they did, etc.
>>
>> Mr. Berlien, I thank you for that statement but I once again want to invite
>you
>> and everyone else reading this to please go back and read the very first
>post.
>> The words" invitation" (or was it inviation??) were very clearly written
>there.
>> My "rantings", as you all have been most unfair in calling them have been
>> "defenses". I did not hurl the first brickbat.
>Ah, but you did. You called rec.arts.sf.written, and therefore, I must
>suppose, the people who post there, "elitist pigs". As others have
>mentioned on this thread, the two groups have many folks in common. I
>don't hang there much, but I know some of those who do, and I don't like
>seeing my friends dissed. Neither do most of the other Rasseffarians,
>from what I can gather.
>
>As to the further hurling of insults, I draw your attention to Dorothy J
>Heydt's follow-up to your initial post and your response to it. All Ms
>Heydt did was express her feelings about the TV show -- this ng *is*
>about discourse, and you will find opinions which differ from yours; she
>said nothing about you personally.
&&&& See my answer to #1 and go to another newsreader and read how many posts
there are in between my first post and my response to Ms. Heydt. There are at
least 25 or more. I had to endure the very first response to it being called
"more damned spam" when it was actually the first one and another one calling
it "hype"; seeing myself called in print " a commie mutant traitor named
BEBEBABY2" a "hack", a "spammer" and read too many people's very arrogant and
self-serving comments and no less than 3 unenlightened and willfully ignorant
(in the literal sense) respnses from Ms Heydt herself. I only decided to say
something after 2 days of seing this.
>
>You then proceeded to insult her intelligence, by referring to her brain
>as "that negative, insulting,
>humorless, boring and opinionated piece of mush". Who's insulting who?
Read the above. I will give you the point that she did not personally insult
me but I would like to think even she knows what it means when someone refers
to a man as "a 6' 2" slab of chiseled slab."
>
>
> All anyone here with any shred
>> of politeness and decency had to do was simply decline with the good grace
>that
>> I would like to think everyones parents here taught them.
>
>Once again, we're all about discourse; say something, somebody's gonna
>throw in their two cents' worth. R.A.SF.F. isn't into announcements
>without commentary (We've too many Talmudic scholar-types for that;
>there are Rasseffarians who would have debated Moses before his shoes
>had cooled of from the trip down the mountain).
Well once again I did not think that an invitation required a debate.
>
>aRJay nailed it when he reminded you that good manners and sense tell
>you to check out a newsgroup for a while before you post to it. You
>didn't check out R.A.SF.F., and you got a surprise. Though I'll admit I
>haven't done the research, I get the feeling that that's also true about
>your dealings with rec.arts.sf.written.
Should that really matter when ones intent is only to post a quick invitation?
Granted, you have no way to know what my intentions may have been, but give a
guy the benefit of the doubt. If you would take the time and look it up, with
the exception of a few mistakes, I only posted to a few selected newsgroups
ONCE. The only group that seemed to be unable to just read it and get on with
their lives was this one. I will tell you that is quite an accomplishment
considering it was posted to some gay newsgroups as well and you know there is
nothing cattier than a bunch of queens.
>
>> You might also find that you
>> >actually *like* R.A.SF.F. If, on the other hand, you find that you
>> >don't, you'll have at least educated yourself and can justifiably avoid
>> >R.A.SF.F.
>>
>> Please do refer to my above comments. But I would like to add that I don't
>> know that I wish to be associated with people who think it is funny to be
>> cruel.
>
>We *don't* think it's funny to be cruel, beyond some gentle joshing of
>the type in which friends ordinarily engage,
"Gentle joshing"?? Sir, surely you do stretch a point here.
>> and we consider obvious
>spam to be fair game. Insult one of us without knowing us, though, and
>you'd best get ready for the shitstorm.
It seems to be a moot point now, but I did not find it to be "obvious spam". I
have no way to know how many other newsgroups anyone else may read. There is
nothing I can do if someone happens to run across it more than once.
>
>> >
>> >5. Don't yell. Turn off the caps key. Not to tar you with a rather dirty
>> >brush, but the group's experience is that Trolls, Flamers and Spammers
>> >are the ones who tend to OVERUSE CAPS FOR EVERYTHING!
>>
>> And also people who are being most cruelly and unncessarily abused who feel
>> extremely put upon.
>
>Oh, Lordy..... You said "people"; don't you mean "me"? See immediately
>below. Read it again.
>
>> ***Yelling doesn't
>> >garner you any respect or get you what you want***; you may have noticed
>> >this when dealing with your parents.
>>
>> My parents have always taken delight in being as kind and logical as
>> possible, not abusive, haughty, or egotistical and taught that to me from
>a
>> very early age. I thought all good parents did. I never needed to yell at
>> them.
>
>Then why were you personally abusive to Ms Heydt and the rest of the ng?
See answer "&&&&"
>What *would* your parents say if they saw how you've behaved in this
>situation? Why haven't you followed their stainless example? (I'm not
>being facetious here. These are the same sort of questions I'd ask my
>14-yr-old son in a similar circumstance.)
Why couldn't they have done that first, since they are so much older and wiser?
>
>*My* Mom & Dad taught me something important, too: "You catch more flies
>with honey than with vinegar."
You are right. One uses vinegar to rid onesself of cancer in the promoters of
holistic medicine are correct.
>
>> >
>> >I honestly, sincerely hope that this helps, and that once you've checked
>> >R.A.SF.F. out more thoroughly you'll better understand it, can make a
>> >more informed judgment about it and its denizens, and can decide whether
>> >to stick around
>>
>> I will have to give this a very long think through. You guys have a very
>long
>> way to go before you can ever convince me that I should align myself with
>this
>> group or even tell anyone else that they should. I don't think I would be
>able
>> to live long enough waiting for you all to change. Not unless a miracle
>happens
>> here overnight..
>
>
>Once again, we may not be the newsgroup for you, in which case your time
>would probably be better spent elsewhere.
Possibly. But for the total benefit of all you, I will keep praying for the
miracle.
>> You know I told people at work today about what happened to me here and
>they
>> all said "These people must have really needed something to do. They
>should be
>> thanking you."
>
>Did you let them read *every* post, including *your* first and second to
>R.A.SF.F.?
Yes. They said this after they read them. They would not have waited as long I
did to respond, by the way.
>
>>
>> Mr. Berlien I will thank you ( and you too Beth--wipe that scum off
>yourself.
>> You should know better.) for coming to your senses. I do sincerely hope
>you
>> feel better. And please tell your friends how nice it feels when you are
>kind
>> to someone. It might start a whole new trend.
>
>I didn't come to my senses; never lost 'em in the first place. My
>friends know full well how nice it feels to be kind to someone, or they
>wouldn't be my friends.
Well, then why are still in that newsgroup? Please save yourself. Get out now
while you still have some human feeling left.
>NOTE TO BETH: Ain't the scum *delightful* tonight?
My note to Beth: Read the above and join him!
Bob Berlien
>
<snip>
I tried, I really *tried* to give you the benefit of the doubt, and to
give you some hints. It didn't work.
One more hint: it takes at least 2 people to have a fight. I refuse to
fight. Go away.
--
Bob Berlien
BEBEBABY2
>Date: Tue, Jan 12, 1999 22:57 EST
>Message-id: <369C1990...@flash.net>
>
>BEBEBABY2 wrote:
>>
>
><snip>
>
>I tried, I really *tried* to give you the benefit of the doubt, and to
>give you some hints. It didn't work.
Mr. Berlien. I appreciate what you think you have been trying to do. Your
comments, while well meant, still do not justify any of the behavior I have
witnessed here and on that other board. I have a suggestion for you and
everyone else here in this group: If you really feel the need to judge the
type of posts that are proper to include on your exclusive and "aren't we so
witty?" little lovefest, why don't you all get an official moderator who can
then decide which posts get published and which ones don't? That would save
everyone the trouble of deciding who's turn it is to wear the crown.
>
>One more hint: it takes at least 2 people to have a fight. I refuse to fight.
Go away.
It never occured to me that I was fighting with you. I was responding to your
comments. Only a truly arrogant person assumes that any word said back to them
after they have made their pronouncements is an argument. It's mighty funny
that what you think we have been having here is an "argument" and when you all
do it amongst yourselves it is called a "debate"
I am going to go away but not because you say so. I choose, and will continue
to choose, what I wish to do. The same as all of you here and on that other
newsgroup. All of my so-called "disagreers" could have chosen to simply ignore
my insignificant droppings (as Ms Heydt finally came to realize. Hey babe
weren't you just little late that bit of wisdom?). But you did not. You all
just had to be so terribly terribly funny at someone elses expense. As I
said before if this is what you choose to call "humour" and still want to count
yourselves good people then you can count me out. Stay here and continue to
behave this way. Just remember me when it finally happens to you. It won't be
so funny then.
There is actually an intelligent discussion being held on this board now
started by Mr. Silver. Since he is one your own maybe you will enjoy that
discussion better.
And don't anyone bother with the rude or not very funny comments after this
post. Just let it drop.
Thank you
BebeBaby
Joel Rosenberg
"That would be very nice."
Alison Hopkins
Mitch Wagner wrote in message ...
>says...
>
>> My favourite SD bumper sticker; "There is no intelligent life East of
I-5!"
>
>I would be offended by that if I were able to read.
>
<grin> I think it's in line with some of the anti grockle slogans favoured
in Cornwall; in that it's San Diegan author wasn't *quite* sure if he was
serious or not! :)
Ali
Ray Radlein
>
> Mitch Wagner <thri...@sff.net> wrote:
> )BEBE...@my-dejanews.com says...
> )
> )> What the hell is up with all of you people??
> )
> )The sky, the ceiling, the moon, stars, the sun.
>
> Speak for yourself -- with me it's the direction of increased
> gravitational potential energy.
I like to think of it as the cross product of north and west.
- Ray R.
--
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homepage coming soon! wooo, wooo.
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Ray Radlein
>
> BTW: From what I understand, "The Sentinel" is still tanking, and
> will be pulled in a few weeks. So the entire point is moot.
Still tanking? Since it hasn't been on the air since the end of last
season, it is hard to imagine how its ratings could currently be in
decline. However, it will soon be resurrected as a midseason replacement
(the point of the original post, after all), thereby giving it a chance
to fulfill your expectations.
Julie Stampnitzky
> > All anyone here with any shred
> >> of politeness and decency had to do was simply decline with the good grace
> >that
> >> I would like to think everyones parents here taught them.
You're forgetting that pond scum doesn't have parents.
> Should that really matter when ones intent is only to post a quick invitation?
> Granted, you have no way to know what my intentions may have been, but give a
> guy the benefit of the doubt. If you would take the time and look it up, with
> the exception of a few mistakes, I only posted to a few selected newsgroups
> ONCE. The only group that seemed to be unable to just read it and get on with
> their lives was this one. I will tell you that is quite an accomplishment
I always knew this group was special...
--
Julie Stampnitzky
Dorothy J Heydt
Alison Hopkins <fn...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
>
><grin> I think it's in line with some of the anti grockle slogans favoured
>in Cornwall; in that it's San Diegan author wasn't *quite* sure if he was
>serious or not! :)
OK, elucidate, what's a grockle?
Mitch Wagner
says...
> <grin> I think it's in line with some of the anti grockle slogans favoured
> in Cornwall; in that it's San Diegan author wasn't *quite* sure if he was
> serious or not! :)
Anti-grockle? What is a grockle and why should I oppose them?
Marilee J. Layman
>
>In a previous article, b...@wavefront.com ("Beth Friedman") says:
>
>>BEBEBABY2 <bebe...@aol.com> wrote in article
>><19990111020738...@ng-fr1.aol.com>...
>>> >In rec.arts.sf.fandom, BEBE...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>>> >: What the hell is up with all of you people??
>><snip>
>>
>>> >Anything else you'd like to know?
>>>
>>> No, nothing else. At least you admit that you All (except you Good
>>> Beth) are scum.
>>
>>No, no; I'm scum, too. I insist upon it.
>
>You can be that rather attractive green scum with the filigreed patterns,
>while the rest of us are the less pleasant brown scum with no
>organizational principle whatsoever.
I thought she was Good Scum. What would that be -- penicillin?
Penicillin for the Chicken Soup Soul?
--
Marilee J. Layman Co-Leader, The Other*Worlds*Cafe
relm...@aol.com A Science Fiction Discussion Group
Web site: http://www.webmoose.com/owc/
AOL keyword: BOOKs > Books Community > The Other*Worlds*Cafe (listbox)
Gary Farber
: In article <77hjek$nt0$2...@plug.news.pipex.net>, fn...@dial.pipex.com
:> <grin> I think it's in line with some of the anti grockle slogans favoured
:> in Cornwall; in that it's San Diegan author wasn't *quite* sure if he was
:> serious or not! :)
: Anti-grockle? What is a grockle and why should I oppose them?
So you can be a proper member of the Anti-Grockle League, of course.
Alternatively, if you prefer to be one of the vile scum of the Grockle
Liberation Front, well, there's no accounting for taste.
Richard Brandt
> I have a suggestion for you and
> everyone else here in this group: If you really feel the need to judge the
> type of posts that are proper to include on your exclusive and "aren't we so
> witty?" little lovefest, why don't you all get an official moderator who can
> then decide which posts get published and which ones don't? That would save
> everyone the trouble of deciding who's turn it is to wear the crown.
I have a suggestion for you: Why don't you go barge into a party
(whether
you were invited or not) and, ignoring what everone is discussing,
launch into a tirade on your favorite subject and then insult anyone
who wants to continue their original conversation instead of speaking
only to the topic you butted in with?
You probably wouldn't, not necessarily because good manners, common
courtesy and simple socialization instructs us that this is not
proper behavior in public.
On Usenet, however, you feel perfectly justified in barging into
a newsgroup where you haven't spent any time listening in on
the conversation, getting to know the regulars, or observing what
is the generally accepted standard of etiquette, and bursting
out in praise of your favorite television show.
This is simple rudeness, and tossing out an insult as your
introduction didn't make it any more palatable.
A group doesn't need a moderator to inform it that topics
are off-topic or behavior is improper. Well, not a group
which has a consensus on standards of reasonable behavior,
anyway.
> And don't anyone bother with the rude or not very funny comments after this
> post. Just let it drop.
Just the facts, ma'am. As I see 'em.
Expecting your reply, etc.
--
== Richard Brandt is at http://www.geocities.com/Athens/8720/ ==
"We think Betsy Ross makes a better precursor to Drudge--both are
starry-eyed embroiderers." -- George Vernadakis on comparisons of
Matt Drudge to John Peter Zenger
Robert Sneddon
Dorothy J Heydt wrote in message ...
>
>OK, elucidate, what's a grockle?
>
Turnip. A grockle wagon is a load of tourists
(ObUS: out-of-staters). The name comes from
the resemblance between the large round
objects piled on the farm wagon, and the heads
peering out of the tourist bus windows.
Ken Walton
>
> J...@bluejo.demon.co.uk (Jo Walton) wrote:
>
> >Literally the only thing my mother ever taught me was not to judge a
> >book by the cover.
>
> My mother's parents divorced when she was fairly young; mother once
> told me that the only thing she can remember ever learning from her
> father was "Beer never tastes as good after it's been frozen."
A fine piece of advice I was once given, very solemnly, by a drunken
Dane of my brother's acquaintance was "Never make love on coconut
matting."
And I never have.
--
Ken Walton http://www.sacnoth.freeserve.co.uk
================================================================
"When you visit a friend, conform to the rules of his household;
lean not upon his tables, nor rub your feet against his chairs."
- Enquire Within Upon Everything, 1883
Graydon
Ken Walton <k...@sacnoth.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>Graydon wrote:
>> This strikes me as lacking a certain something a Dark Fates go; could
>> you be convinced to change your vote for 'compelled to teach kif to
>> yodel while on board a submerged poorly maintained WWI submarine'?
>
>Isn't that the sort of thing Jo does for fun? Strikes me as less
>dangerous that kissing them at Kefk.
Perhaps you have not contemplated the full ramifications of the former
circumstances?
The sort of bravado that leads to an increase in sifk is by its nature
abrupt; one is, or is not, eaten for one's termerity. The ongoing
occupation of a leaky submarine is not likely to qualify.
--
"But how powerful, how stimulating to the very faculty which produced
it, was the invention of the adjective: no spell or incantation in
Faerie is more potent." -- "On Fairy-Stories", J.R.R. Tolkien
Avedon Carol
>>From: Ray Radlein <r...@learnlink.emory.edu>
>>My wife actually likes your show. For her sake, then, I beg you to
>>please shut the hell up; every time you post another message like this,
>>you are only making her look bad by association.
> - Ray R.
>
>Ray, I have not yet at this point read the rest of the messages that may be
>posted here, but I would like to know why you have not said anything so far??
>Or if nothing else why you did not have your wife say something. I would really
>like to hear what she has to say on this subject.
>
>Now I am going on to read the rest of these "glowing" repsonses.
Uncle! I can't breathe! Stoppppppp, please!!!!
Avedon (cix.co.uk)
"PG-13 (contains scenes of desperate stupidity and political posturing
which may be inexplicable to the more sensitive members of the viewing
audience)"
Gary Farber
: In article <91615211...@watserv5.uwaterloo.ca>,
: jam...@ece.uwaterloo.ca says...
[. . .]
:> I OTOH can't watch AB for more than about a minute before I
:> change channels. What's the attraction?
: It's hard to articulate: why do you like YOUR favorite TV show?
I find that utterly easy to articulate: excellent writing, directing,
acting, and production values. That's a minimum basic. After that, there
are characteristics specific to each of my favorite tv shows: ER is a
terrific drama, with an amazing ability to, via the writing, yank the
viewers emotions around. NYPD BLUE is the most accurate show on the NYC
police ever done, is tremendously authentic, and has interesting
characters. THE SIMPSONS is a superb satire of American life. HOMICIDE,
at least in its earlier days, was unique in presenting compellingly
believable and quirky situations and dialogue, utterly unconcerned about
solving crimes. And so on and so forth. I could go on articulating quite
a bit, but it's the first line up there that is always the heart of the
answers.
You appear to have been entirely articulate in your response about ALLY
MCBEAL, I note.
Gary Farber
BEBEBABY2 <bebe...@aol.com> wrote:
[. . .]
: Please explain to me why I ever had to debate an invitation?
Usenet is a public forum. If you post to it, you are subject to public
response, of all sorts, and you don't get to control it. Whether you then
further respond is purely up to you, of course. No one put a gun to your
head and forced you to "debate." So you're the only one who can answer
your question, strictly speaking. If you're wondering why your post was
commented on, that's what newsgroups *do*.
[. . .]
: Well once again I did not think that an invitation required a debate.
So, don't debate.
:>aRJay nailed it when he reminded you that good manners and sense tell
:>you to check out a newsgroup for a while before you post to it. You
:>didn't check out R.A.SF.F., and you got a surprise. Though I'll admit I
:>haven't done the research, I get the feeling that that's also true about
:>your dealings with rec.arts.sf.written.
: Should that really matter when ones intent is only to post a quick invitation?
Yes, absolutely. If you read news.announce.newusers, as you of course are
supposed to have before ever posting to Usenet, you'll see that netiquette
dictates that one never post to a newsgroup without first reading it
heavily for at least a week or two, *precisely* to avoid this sort of
situation. You violated that "rule," and thus earned a predictable
response. Your error.
: Granted, you have no way to know what my intentions may have been, but give a
: guy the benefit of the doubt. If you would take the time and look it up, with
: the exception of a few mistakes, I only posted to a few selected newsgroups
: ONCE. The only group that seemed to be unable to just read it and get on with
: their lives was this one. I will tell you that is quite an accomplishment
: considering it was posted to some gay newsgroups as well and you know there is
: nothing cattier than a bunch of queens.
We are. But there are pricklier newsgroups than rasseff, by far.
[. . . .]
Gary Farber
: comments, while well meant, still do not justify any of the behavior I have
: everyone else here in this group: If you really feel the need to judge the
: type of posts that are proper to include on your exclusive and "aren't we so
: witty?" little lovefest, why don't you all get an official moderator who can
: then decide which posts get published and which ones don't? That would save
: everyone the trouble of deciding who's turn it is to wear the crown.
It's no trouble at all. We all have crowns. But thank you for your
consideration.
[. . .]
: As I
: said before if this is what you choose to call "humour"
Only the Brits do that; the Yanks call it "humor."
: and still want to count
: yourselves good people then you can count me out. Stay here and continue to
: behave this way. Just remember me when it finally happens to you. It won't be
: so funny then.
What, when one of us finally makes fun of another one of us, or is cruel
or unfair? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
[. . .]
: And don't anyone bother with the rude or not very funny comments after this
: post. Just let it drop.
Imperatives rarely result in the desired goal, and are, in fact, generally
counter-productive.
So: neener-neener.
Gary Farber
Robert Sneddon <NO...@prodigy.net> wrote:
[. . .]
: Turnip. A grockle wagon is a load of tourists
: (ObUS: out-of-staters).
I've never in my life heard anyone use this term. Which state is it used
in?
"Out-of-towner" is a term that once was heard frequently in NYC, but I've
not heard it much in recent years. It was also a Neil Simon play and
movie, of course.
What do you call a busload of Swedish tourists? Or is that a salad?
[. . . .]
Ailsa Murphy
Bob Berlien <kat...@flash.net> wrote:
[snip]
> I honestly, sincerely hope that this helps, and that once you've checked
> R.A.SF.F. out more thoroughly you'll better understand it, can make a
> more informed judgment about it and its denizens, and can decide whether
> to stick around. OTOH, if you really are just a Troll, I hope that
> painful bubos form in your arm pits and groin, your spittle turns black
> and that Beelzebub forces you to watch reruns of Space: 1999 for all of
> eternity.
>
What a great post! We ought to keep this one on hand as a standard troll
response, or add it to the FAQ somehow or something.
-Ailsa
who watched, but does not remember, Space: 1999
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Ailsa Murphy
thri...@sff.net (Mitch Wagner) wrote:
> In article <77gk1l$a1o$1...@plug.news.pipex.net>, fn...@dial.pipex.com
> says...
>
> > My favourite SD bumper sticker; "There is no intelligent life East of I-5!"
>
> I would be offended by that if I were able to read.
>
No idea where I-5 is, but I can't imagine using the construction "No
intelligent life East of..." since I have rather a number of relatives in St.
John and points east who'd have things to say to me if I did. *grin*
But if believing that keeps people from moving to Boston, I don't mind, we've
got plenty of people already. If everybody liked New England as much as I do,
there wouldn't be any room left for the things that make it wonderful...
-Ailsa
Mike Cheater
<gfa...@panix.com> writes
>In <77jva6$83ea$1...@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com>
>Robert Sneddon <NO...@prodigy.net> wrote:
>[. . .]
>
>: Turnip. A grockle wagon is a load of tourists
>: (ObUS: out-of-staters).
>
>I've never in my life heard anyone use this term. Which state is it used
>in?
>
England. Precisely the County of Cornwall or the west country in
general.
--
Mike Cheater
Dorothy J Heydt
Ailsa Murphy <ailsa....@tfn.com> wrote:
>>
>> > My favourite SD bumper sticker; "There is no intelligent life East of I-5!"
>
>intelligent life East of..." since I have rather a number of relatives in St.
>John and points east who'd have things to say to me if I did. *grin*
Interstate Highway 5 runs up and down the middle of California.
Thus the bumper sticker is claiming that while there is
intelligence on the California coast (where San Diego lies), most
of the rest of the US lacks it.
It's sort of the reverse of that famous New Yorker cover in which
the entire rest of the world is seen as the minor fringes on the
western frontier of New Jersey.
John Lorentz
Heydt) wrote:
>
>Interstate Highway 5 runs up and down the middle of California.
And western Oregon. And western Washington. :)
>Thus the bumper sticker is claiming that while there is
>intelligence on the California coast (where San Diego lies), most
>of the rest of the US lacks it.
>
(I could pick a nit and mention that virtually all of San Diego lies
east of I-5, although the airport is west of the freeway.)
--
John
[who lives 1 mile east of I-5 and works 10 miles west of I-5--the
people where I live are _definitely_ much smarter than the people out
where I work, since the people in my work neighborhood keep voting for
Republicans...]
Bob Berlien
>
> In article <369ABB43...@flash.net>,
> Bob Berlien <kat...@flash.net> wrote:
> [snip]
>
> What a great post! We ought to keep this one on hand as a standard troll
> response, or add it to the FAQ somehow or something.
Thenkyew, thenkyew! (Bows humbly)
> -Ailsa
> who watched, but does not remember, Space: 1999
>
Proof that memories of abuse sometimes *do* get repressed. Here's a
description of the show's premise from "Mr Data's Cult TV & Movies
Site, Space: 1999 Episode List" (gee, I guess we *are* cruel):
"After years of dumping toxic and radioactive waste on the surface of
the moon, the dump site ignites hurling Earths (sic) moon out of orbit
and out of the solar system towards an unknown fate."
Naturally, said dump site ignition accelerates the moon to a velocity
high enough to drive it to other star systems within the lifetimes of
the cast -- nay, between breakfast and lunch -- where they meet all
sorts of Scary Aliens.
The stars of the show included Martin Landau, who spent most of his time
looking aghast and horrified (imagine Judy Garland in her classic
"hands-up-beside-her-head, fingers-spread" pose, just having been told
that her supply of amphetamines and phenobarbital had run out), and his
wife Barbara "Novocain" Bain, whose facial muscles seem to have ceased
functioning.
In their defense, Landau's and Bain's acting abilities shouldn't be
judged by this show; I always thought that they did a pretty good job on
Mission: Impossible, and Landau has gone on to do some fine acting. The
major problem was that the series was created by Gerry and Sylvia
Anderson, whose previous accomplishments included such shows as
Supercar, Fireball XL5, Stingray and Thunderbirds, all of which starred
puppets (and which were kinda fun, when viewed through the eyes of a
Little Kid). The Andersons simply couldn't do anything with live actors
(Look! You can see Barbara's strings!).
Ken Walton
> It's no trouble at all. We all have crowns. But thank you for your
> consideration.
*Crowned* truffle-hunting hog-scum! What a splendid species we
raseffarians are!
Gary Farber
: In article <77ko8m$84j$7...@news.panix.com>, Gary Farber
That's educational to me, thanks. I deeply regret that I didn't get to
Cornwall on my last visit, and muchly hope to make it on my next, having
read a fair amount about it. How is that usage an "ObUS," though?
Gary Farber
[. . .]
: Interstate Highway 5 runs up and down the middle of California.
Um, and Oregon and Washington. As in, a block away from Our House at 4227
-- 8th Avenue NE, site of many Seattle fan party, and Vanguard meeting, in
the Eighties. For example.
Not that anyone would ever accuse Californians of lacking consciousness of
the entire rest of the Western US. Heaven forfend.
[. . .]
: It's sort of the reverse of that famous New Yorker cover in which
: the entire rest of the world is seen as the minor fringes on the
: western frontier of New Jersey.
Thank goodness Californians are so sensitive to that sort of thing.
Mitch Wagner
> In <MPG.11069ca6243e2fad9897ec@news> Mitch Wagner <thri...@sff.net> wrote:
> : In article <77hjek$nt0$2...@plug.news.pipex.net>, fn...@dial.pipex.com
> : says...
> :> <grin> I think it's in line with some of the anti grockle slogans favoured
> :> in Cornwall; in that it's San Diegan author wasn't *quite* sure if he was
> :> serious or not! :)
>
> : Anti-grockle? What is a grockle and why should I oppose them?
>
> So you can be a proper member of the Anti-Grockle League, of course.
>
> Alternatively, if you prefer to be one of the vile scum of the Grockle
> Liberation Front, well, there's no accounting for taste.
"Vile scum" seems about my speed. Besides, Liberation Fronts tend to go
in for those romantic midnight meetings, pasting placards on the walls,
and all that other neat stuff. Wheras, Anti- Leagues have meetings and
petition school boards, which requires attendance at school board
meetings. Have you ever BEEN to a school board meeting?
--
mitch w. thri...@sff.net
http://www.sff.net/people/mitchw
"Top Ten Signs You Work in a Bad Office: 2. Cafeteria lunch special is whatever
got caught in the glue trap." -- David Letterman
Mitch Wagner
> In <MPG.11056adf5b576bd69897e2@news> Mitch Wagner <thri...@sff.net> wrote:
> : In article <91615211...@watserv5.uwaterloo.ca>,
> : jam...@ece.uwaterloo.ca says...
> [. . .]
> :> I OTOH can't watch AB for more than about a minute before I
> :> change channels. What's the attraction?
>
> : It's hard to articulate: why do you like YOUR favorite TV show?
>
> I find that utterly easy to articulate: excellent writing, directing,
> acting, and production values. That's a minimum basic. After that, there
> are characteristics specific to each of my favorite tv shows: ER is a
> terrific drama, with an amazing ability to, via the writing, yank the
> viewers emotions around.
You betcha. Although I think this season--at least the past few episodes-
-is perhaps down a bit from the high quality of previous seasons. Which
still leaves plenty of room for it to be a fine, fine show. Which it is.
The recent Amanda Lee sequence seemed over-the-top and silly, although
mercifully it was WELL-DONE over-the-top silliness, and the creative team
wisely kept the storyline short, just a couple of weeks, and didn't
stretch it out as other shows might have done.
Do you think Lucy and Carter will get it on? And what will happen to
Carol and Doug's relationship when George Clooney leaves the show? And oh
that Mark Greene, nothing ever goes right for him, does it? I read in
"T.V. Guide" in September that this would be an easy year for Dr. G; I
guess they're mistaken.
On a tangential subject: I commented to a friend recently that when I
watch TV or movies where computers appear, my eye is automatically drawn
to them and I try to figure out what kind of computers they are and
whether the writers really understood computers or were just making up
technobabble. I don't MEAN to do this, I more-or-less can't help it. Last
week's "E.R." definitely set off gongs on the Technobabble Meter, when
the desk clerk is showing Mark Greene how to access a Web site and the
desk clerk says, "Oh, here, you used backslashes rather than forward
slashes, a common beginner's error." And I said to myself, "Doesn't
matter if you use one or the other."
I've also noticed that the monitors in the E.R. admitting area frequently
seem to be displaying the AOL logon screen.
> NYPD BLUE is the most accurate show on the NYC
> police ever done, is tremendously authentic, and has interesting
> characters.
You bet. I lost interest in the show when Jimmy Smits was on, but
recently became an "N.Y.P.D. Blue" addict again with the addition of Rick
Schroeder to the cast.
I have also, in the past, been somewhat uncomfortable about the
producers' apparently condoning police brutality, but now I think I was
missing the point--they don't condone it, indeed, that's precisely the
POINT of the show--that these cops, while intending to do good, live in a
world so saturated with evil that the cops often find themselves doing
evil themselves. That sometimes the only difference between the cops and
the crooks is that the cops MEANT to do good at first.
I have never been a "Batman" fan, but a description of the comic by a fan
intrigued me: he said the Batman is himself almost as crazy as the super-
villains he fights--and sometimes not even "almost as." If you're the
victim of a crime, and Superman shows up on the scene, you say, "Oh, yay,
Superman's here, the day is saved!" But if Batman shows up, you say, "Oh,
hell, I thought things couldn't get any worse but I guess I was wrong....
"
> HOMICIDE,
> at least in its earlier days, was unique in presenting compellingly
> believable and quirky situations and dialogue, utterly unconcerned about
> solving crimes.
I liked it when Warren Beatty was on, haven't cared for it much since.
>
> You appear to have been entirely articulate in your response about ALLY
> MCBEAL, I note.
Thanks, you too.
I said it was hard to articulate, not impossible. I rose to the
challenge. :)