transatlantic african slave trade questions
george...@my-deja.com
1. How did the transatlantic slave trade affect the native societies of
Africa and the Americas?
2. How are these societies and cultures like before the era of slavery,
and identify ways in which they changed.
3. What was the long-term effect on the role of women?
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Vicki Rosenzweig
>i have a few questions to ask...
>1. How did the transatlantic slave trade affect the native societies of
>Africa and the Americas?
>2. How are these societies and cultures like before the era of slavery,
>and identify ways in which they changed.
>3. What was the long-term effect on the role of women?
>
I realize that All Knowledge Is Contained In Fandom, but
you're asking for several books' worth of it here. I think
you need to either visit a library, or consult a good college
history department.
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Alter S. Reiss
> i have a few questions to ask...
As do I, and as do we all. But I am glad you asked these
questions -- the road to enlightenment is revealed therein.
> 1. How did the transatlantic slave trade affect the native societies of
> Africa and the Americas?
The transatlantic slave trade affected the native societies of
Africa and the Americas in many ways. The tribal, family based society of
Africa suffered tremendously from the disrupting effects of the slave
trade (Aquinas, T. and Custler, 1994: _A History of African Cultural
Disruption_). Similarly, the nomadic activity patterns of Native American
cultures were torn apart by the slave trade. Many American tribes
actually used to migrate across the Bering Land Bridge to Greenland and
Russia before the slave trade took hold (Erasmus Darwin, 1975:
_Motorcross, Whiskey and Baseball: A History of the Earliest American
Peoples_). However, once the so called "triangle" trade took hold, with
slaves being purchaced from Africa for small triangular objects of various
description (an effect of the stamp tax, enacted by Britain, which had a
loophole excluding triangular and tetrahedral objects from taxation -- See
Koontz, Eco, and Eco, 1963, "Three Sides to Every Story: A History of the
Stamp Tax and Cuban Nationalism" for more details.), those migrations were
reduced greatly in scope and range, and stopped completely in the early
19th century. See Webster, Noah, 1982: _A Long, Cold Walk in the Cold_
for a description of the last crossing of that land bridge.
The transatlantic slave trade was directly responsible for that
change in migratory patterns due to the increased numbers of ships
operating under Canadian registry. Due to the "human cargo" provision of
the interstate commerce clause of the United States Consitution, only
ships operating under the Canadian flag were allowed to carry slaves into
and out of the United States. With the burgeoning slave trade, Canada's
fleet increased from three dinghies and a large sea going raft in 1812 to
nearly two hundred thousand by 1848. (See Madison, James, "The
Transformative Dialectic and Military Readiness, _The Federalist_, June
14th, 1884") In order to guard against possible Canadian agression, in
1830, president Warren G. Harding substantially increased the American
military presence in Alaska and the Aleutian islands, and authorized
construction of the "Iron Wall", blocking all traffic across the Baja
Alaska panhandle.
Canadian influence is also apparent in the other major change the
slave trade caused in native American culture. When President Monroe
ordered a moritorium on the slave trade in 1821, Andrew Jackson, then
Chief Justice of the Supreme Court passed legislation allowing Southern
planters to enslave Native Americans. (Carter, Lin, 1972 _"Thongor's
Get", Electoral College Press, Boston.) Canadian raiders, crossing the
border in Michigan and Oregon were primarily responsible for most of the
captures.
> 2. How are these societies and cultures like before the era of slavery,
> and identify ways in which they changed.
There were many similarities between traditional African and
Native American societies and cultures before the era of slavery. Both
depended on the plentiful herds of buffalo and gingersnaps for the
majority of their protein, supplimented by gourds of many types.
(Tennyson, Alfred: "An Ethnographic Survey of the Montanyards and Han
peoples 1320-1420" _The New Republic_ Issue 19, Vol 2. Dec, 1870). Both
African and Native American societies were primarily matriarchal, with a
council of psychically gifted elders deciding on policy for the tribe,
supporting a strong single Matriarch, often refered to as the "Killer of
Spirits", for her role as mystic protector of the tribe.
Both Native American and African cultures were highly spiritual,
with primitive revival meetings, pot luck dinners, and church organized
gaming being common in both cultures. (Chick, J. 1990, _A Plea for
Understanding: The Universality of Truth_ Agnostic Press, Manhatten.)
Native American cultures were more nature oriented, with primary dieties
being local spirits of forests, mountains, lakes, as well as small blue
skinned genii or demiurges, commonly known as "Smurumfbarurr", or "those
whose song is strangely compelling." (Chick, J. 1992, _Cross Cultural
Examinations_) African cultures tended to have simpler, iconographic
religious beliefs, as reflected in the Great Mounds of the Zambeizi,
which, when viewed from above are in the forms of gophers, other small
rodents, large checkerboards, and what appear to have been primitive
corporate logos (Denver, J. 2000, _From the Other Side: Mounds and
Such_).
Slavery changed many of these facets of the various cultures.
The patriarchal, homo-erotic "Master-slave" dynamic created took hold of
the prevailing models used for societal interactions, creating such
western dominated societal structures, such as the "casino" model of local
African governance. (Buckley, William, 1962: _A Deconstruction of
Ethno-Racial Societal Patterns_ Berkley University Press.) Strong
reactions to those patterns are most evident in contemporary Native
American social structures, such as the common Native American RV gangs --
a culture stripped of internal meanings by the long reach of slavery.
(XIV, Louis, 1930 _The Interstate Commerce Clause_)
> 3. What was the long-term effect on the role of women?
Tracking any effects past the most immediate short term is
demostrably impossible, within complex systems (Chrichton, M. 1984 _Chaos
Theory ABCs: "I is for Indeterminable.") However, some basic
observations can be made. Were it not for slavery, African cultures would
have retained their vibrant matriarchal societies, eating wild Zweiback,
drinking cordials from the stem, and feasting on many a gourd. (Zepplin,
L., and Blair, W. 1984 _Hey_.)
Similarly, Native American songs still record the loss of status
of women during slavery's era. Such plaintive airs as "Oh Susanah"
(Origionally a Plains Cree song about a pair of horses and a hedgehog), or
"The Beer Barrel Polka" (One of the most famous of the Blackfoot
Cherokee's war polkas) record the lost status of tribal matriarchs and the
way fishing has gotten steadily worse.
Thank you for bringing your questions here, and I hope you will
adress any other, similar questions to this group.
--
Copyright (c) 2000, Alter S. Reiss.
"If the figure in the portrait is wearing a silly hat, the
painting is probably Dutch. Rembrandt, the greatest of Dutch painters,
painted the figures with the silliest hats."
Rachael Lininger
Alter S. Reiss <asr...@ymail.yu.edu> wrote:
>On Sun, 6 Feb 2000 george...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
>> i have a few questions to ask...
>
> As do I, and as do we all. But I am glad you asked these
>questions -- the road to enlightenment is revealed therein.
<snip>
> Thank you for bringing your questions here, and I hope you will
>adress any other, similar questions to this group.
Alter? Have I asked you to bear my children lately? Will you please?
Rachael
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Doug Wickstrom
<asr...@ymail.yu.edu> excited the ether to say:
>On Sun, 6 Feb 2000 george...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
>> i have a few questions to ask...
>
> As do I, and as do we all. But I am glad you asked these
>questions -- the road to enlightenment is revealed therein.
>
>> 1. How did the transatlantic slave trade affect the native societies of
>> Africa and the Americas?
>
> The transatlantic slave trade affected the native societies of
>Africa and the Americas in many ways.
[snip]
And I hope "george" incorporates every word into his paper.
Masterful.
Rassef Award!
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and the power of the vision shall pass into their souls."
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Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr
>On Sun, 6 Feb 2000 george...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
>> i have a few questions to ask...
>
> As do I, and as do we all. But I am glad you asked these
>questions -- the road to enlightenment is revealed therein.
And so it is.
I believe the following three traditional rassf responses apply:
1) Rassef award with boddhisatva bits.
2) You are a bad, bad, man.
3) Can I have this for my fanzine? (Oh wait, I don't have a fanzine, just
a pesky little apazine. So never mind this one, but I bet somebody else
will be asking soon enough.)
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Jo Walton
asr...@ymail.yu.edu "Alter S. Reiss" writes:
> Tracking any effects past the most immediate short term is
> demostrably impossible, within complex systems (Chrichton, M. 1984 _Chaos
> Theory ABCs: "I is for Indeterminable.")
I appreciate that in a post this long and with this many references it's
difficult to keep them all straight, but surely that was by Ford, John M.?
> Thank you for bringing your questions here, and I hope you will
> adress any other, similar questions to this group.
Where he can rely on answers just as accurate and just as entertaining.
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Alter S. Reiss
> > demostrably impossible, within complex systems (Chrichton, M. 1984 _Chaos
> > Theory ABCs: "I is for Indeterminable.")
>
> difficult to keep them all straight, but surely that was by Ford, John M.?
Ah, well, I believe that was a follow up to Chrichton's masterfull
exposition of chaos theory in Jurassic Park, in which he proved
conclusively that elementary chaos theory indicates that any attempt to
predict or control anything with a sufficient number of variables, such as
a grocery store, say, or an elementary school, will inevitably wind up
with giant dinosaurs with frog DNA attacking South America.
>
> > Thank you for bringing your questions here, and I hope you will
> > adress any other, similar questions to this group.
>
> Where he can rely on answers just as accurate and just as entertaining.
Without a doubt.
Alter S. Reiss
> In article <Pine.A41.4.05.100020...@acis.mc.yu.edu>, "Alter S. Reiss" <asr...@ymail.yu.edu> writes:
> >
> >> i have a few questions to ask...
> >
> > As do I, and as do we all. But I am glad you asked these
> >questions -- the road to enlightenment is revealed therein.
>
>
> I believe the following three traditional rassf responses apply:
>
> 1) Rassef award with boddhisatva bits.
Thank you kindly.
> 2) You are a bad, bad, man.
Well, it's tough, trying to get the job as avatar of all that is
evil, but I do my best.
> 3) Can I have this for my fanzine? (Oh wait, I don't have a fanzine, just
> a pesky little apazine. So never mind this one, but I bet somebody else
> will be asking soon enough.)
Hurm. If so, I'd like to clean it up a bit -- the bit about the
smurfs could have been made clearer, and there were opportunities for a
great many jokes that I didn't make. (I do rather like the bit about
"gourds of many types", though. Heh heh. Gourds.)
--
Copyright Feb. 2000, Alter S. Reiss.
Alter S. Reiss
> On Sun, 6 Feb 2000 23:40:55 -0500, "Alter S. Reiss"
> >
> >> i have a few questions to ask...
> >
> > As do I, and as do we all. But I am glad you asked these
> >questions -- the road to enlightenment is revealed therein.
> >
> >> 1. How did the transatlantic slave trade affect the native societies of
> >> Africa and the Americas?
> >
> > The transatlantic slave trade affected the native societies of
> >Africa and the Americas in many ways.
>
>
> And I hope "george" incorporates every word into his paper.
Me too. Particularly as it would set an artificially high
standard for actual erudition on his part.
> Masterful.
>
> Rassef Award!
Thank you. "george", if you're reading this, that means that they
all thought it was a good answer to those questions.
--
Copyright Feb. 2000, Alter S. Reiss.
Kate Schaefer
Alter S. Reiss wrote in message ...
>> > demostrably impossible, within complex systems (Chrichton, M. 1984
_Chaos
>> > Theory ABCs: "I is for Indeterminable.")
>>
>> difficult to keep them all straight, but surely that was by Ford, John
M.?
>
> Ah, well, I believe that was a follow up to Chrichton's masterfull
>exposition of chaos theory in Jurassic Park, in which he proved
>conclusively that elementary chaos theory indicates that any attempt to
>predict or control anything with a sufficient number of variables, such as
>a grocery store, say, or an elementary school, will inevitably wind up
>with giant dinosaurs with frog DNA attacking South America.
[...]
I suppose we'll never know if that great post was turned in as a paper
(surely with someone that clueless, odds are 25-75 that he'd turn it in
without reading it), nor what grade it would earn. If you aren't already
overloaded with rassef awards for it, here's another, with extra credit and
you-won't-need-to-know-this-for-the-test.
Kip Williams
>
> On Mon, 7 Feb 2000, Doug Wickstrom wrote:
> > On Sun, 6 Feb 2000 23:40:55 -0500, "Alter S. Reiss"
> > >
> > >> i have a few questions to ask...
> > >
> > > As do I, and as do we all. But I am glad you asked these
> > >questions -- the road to enlightenment is revealed therein.
> > >
> > >> 1. How did the transatlantic slave trade affect the native societies of
> > >> Africa and the Americas?
> > >
> > > The transatlantic slave trade affected the native societies of
> > >Africa and the Americas in many ways.
> >
> >
> > And I hope "george" incorporates every word into his paper.
>
> Me too. Particularly as it would set an artificially high
> standard for actual erudition on his part.
>
> > Masterful.
> >
> > Rassef Award!
>
> Thank you. "george", if you're reading this, that means that they
> all thought it was a good answer to those questions.
Absolutely. I am on record as agreeing with this.
And to think I was believing that 'triangle trade' meant they took
shiploads of stuff towards Bermuda and vanished.
--
--Kip (Williams)
amusing the world at http://members.home.net/kipw/
Avram Grumer
> And to think I was believing that 'triangle trade' meant they took
> shiploads of stuff towards Bermuda and vanished.
Hm. One could probably do pretty well writing a book saying that the
Mysterious Bermuda Traingle Disappearances are actually caused by the
ghosts of slaves dumped over the sides of ships.
--
Avram Grumer | av...@bigfoot.com | http://www.bigfoot.com/~avram/
If music be the food of love, then some of it be the Twinkies of
dysfunctional relationships.
Ulrika O'Brien
<asr...@ymail.yu.edu>, explained :
> On Mon, 7 Feb 2000, Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr wrote:
> > In article <Pine.A41.4.05.100020...@acis.mc.yu.edu>, "Alter S. Reiss" <asr...@ymail.yu.edu> writes:
> > >On Sun, 6 Feb 2000 george...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > >
> > >> i have a few questions to ask...
> > >
> > > As do I, and as do we all. But I am glad you asked these
> > >questions -- the road to enlightenment is revealed therein.
> >
> > And so it is.
> >
> > I believe the following three traditional rassf responses apply:
> >
> > 1) Rassef award with boddhisatva bits.
>
> Thank you kindly.
>
> > 2) You are a bad, bad, man.
>
> Well, it's tough, trying to get the job as avatar of all that is
> evil, but I do my best.
>
> > 3) Can I have this for my fanzine? (Oh wait, I don't have a fanzine, just
> > a pesky little apazine. So never mind this one, but I bet somebody else
> > will be asking soon enough.)
>
> Hurm. If so, I'd like to clean it up a bit -- the bit about the
> smurfs could have been made clearer, and there were opportunities for a
> great many jokes that I didn't make. (I do rather like the bit about
> "gourds of many types", though. Heh heh. Gourds.)
Oh. My. God.
If no one has asked you yet, I want it. I WANT IT. I want
it *NOW*. Don't change a damn thing, it's going into -Gyre
5- and I'll toss out my White Elephant piece to do it if
necessary (since that's the only thing left in the zine that
needs any editing and I'll sideline it if you're even
vaguely worried about timeliness). [Squinches up large
brown doggy eyes] Puh-LEEZE???
Jesus, I was in danger of incontinence when you got to the
bit about the Blackfoot Cherokee war polkas. I'm *dyin'*!
--
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the surest sign that the conspiracy is working.
ulrika o'brien * uaob...@earthlink.net * member fwa
Ulrika O'Brien
<asr...@ymail.yu.edu>, explained :
> On Mon, 7 Feb 2000, Jo Walton wrote:
> > asr...@ymail.yu.edu "Alter S. Reiss" writes:
> >
> > > Tracking any effects past the most immediate short term is
> > > demostrably impossible, within complex systems (Chrichton, M. 1984 _Chaos
> > > Theory ABCs: "I is for Indeterminable.")
> >
> > I appreciate that in a post this long and with this many references it's
> > difficult to keep them all straight, but surely that was by Ford, John M.?
>
> Ah, well, I believe that was a follow up to Chrichton's masterfull
> exposition of chaos theory in Jurassic Park, in which he proved
> conclusively that elementary chaos theory indicates that any attempt to
> predict or control anything with a sufficient number of variables, such as
> a grocery store, say, or an elementary school, will inevitably wind up
> with giant dinosaurs with frog DNA attacking South America.
Stop! Stop! You're *killing* me!
Andrew Plotkin
> On Mon, 7 Feb 2000 12:08:55 -0500 Alter S. Reiss,
> <asr...@ymail.yu.edu>, explained :
>
>> exposition of chaos theory in Jurassic Park, in which he proved
>> conclusively that elementary chaos theory indicates that any attempt to
>> predict or control anything with a sufficient number of variables, such as
>> a grocery store, say, or an elementary school, will inevitably wind up
>> with giant dinosaurs with frog DNA attacking South America.
>
> Stop! Stop! You're *killing* me!
No, no, that's the dinosaurs.
You want to avoid mixing those up. See, the dinosaur is the ten-meter-long
slavering, fanged, crusty-hided monster which is gnawing on your leg.
Alter Reiss is the ten-meter-long slavering, fanged, crusty-hided monster
which is gnawing on your other leg.
--Z
"And Aholibamah bare Jeush, and Jaalam, and Korah: these were the
borogoves..."
Mark Jones
av...@bigfoot.com (Avram Grumer) spake thusly:
>In article <389F53EF...@home.com>, Kip Williams <ki...@home.com> wrote:
>
>> And to think I was believing that 'triangle trade' meant they took
>> shiploads of stuff towards Bermuda and vanished.
>
>Hm. One could probably do pretty well writing a book saying that the
>Mysterious Bermuda Traingle Disappearances are actually caused by the
>ghosts of slaves dumped over the sides of ships.
And the ships that disappear are crewed (or passengered?) by folks
whose ancestors traded in or owned slaves.
Or maybe not. Maybe the ghosts aren't so discriminating.
Pamela Dean Dyer-Bennet
>On Sun, 6 Feb 2000 george...@my-deja.com wrote:
>> i have a few questions to ask...
> As do I, and as do we all. But I am glad you asked these
>questions -- the road to enlightenment is revealed therein.
[snip for the sake of sanity]
Have a handful of RASSEF awards.
I liked the citations best. The pacing was wonderful. Every time I
caught my breath and almost stopped laughing, you'd hit me with Louis
XIV.
--
Pamela Dean Dyer-Bennet (pd...@demesne.com)
"I will open my heart to a blank page
and interview the witnesses." John M. Ford, "Shared World"
David Goldfarb
Alter S. Reiss <asr...@ymail.yu.edu> wrote:
> Chrichton's
Block that first h, please.
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James Nicoll
That seems rather hard on all the people whose ancestors were
slaves who had children by their masters.
--
From _Emily Bronte: Standup Comedian_
"Knock, Knock." "Who's There?"
"Death." "Death who?"
"Just Death."
Loren Joseph MacGregor
: Jesus, I was in danger of incontinence when you got to the
: bit about the Blackfoot Cherokee war polkas. I'm *dyin'*!
Yes. Lauryn said that Alter's piece is the only thing I've shown her
which would totally offset all the many reasons she has for not
subscribing to rec.arts.sf.fandom.
Her final comment: "I'm -really- sorry for the guy that asked the
question in the first place."
-- LJM
Avedon Carol
<asr...@ymail.yu.edu> wrote:
> Thank you for bringing your questions here, and I hope you will
>adress any other, similar questions to this group.
Wow.
Ulrika O'Brien
<erky...@eblong.com>, explained :
> Ulrika O'Brien <uaob...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > On Mon, 7 Feb 2000 12:08:55 -0500 Alter S. Reiss,
> > <asr...@ymail.yu.edu>, explained :
> >
> >> Ah, well, I believe that was a follow up to Chrichton's masterfull
> >> exposition of chaos theory in Jurassic Park, in which he proved
> >> conclusively that elementary chaos theory indicates that any attempt to
> >> predict or control anything with a sufficient number of variables, such as
> >> a grocery store, say, or an elementary school, will inevitably wind up
> >> with giant dinosaurs with frog DNA attacking South America.
> >
> > Stop! Stop! You're *killing* me!
>
> No, no, that's the dinosaurs.
>
> You want to avoid mixing those up. See, the dinosaur is the ten-meter-long
> slavering, fanged, crusty-hided monster which is gnawing on your leg.
>
> Alter Reiss is the ten-meter-long slavering, fanged, crusty-hided monster
> which is gnawing on your other leg.
You seem to have missed the nice but useful distinction
between "gnawing" and "yanking"...
Ailsa N Murphy
Andrew Plotkin <erky...@eblong.com> wrote:
>>
>> Stop! Stop! You're *killing* me!
>
>No, no, that's the dinosaurs.
>
>You want to avoid mixing those up. See, the dinosaur is the ten-meter-long
>slavering, fanged, crusty-hided monster which is gnawing on your leg.
>
>Alter Reiss is the ten-meter-long slavering, fanged, crusty-hided monster
>which is gnawing on your other leg.
>
-Ailsa
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mike stone
>
> From _Emily Bronte: Standup Comedian_
> "Knock, Knock." "Who's There?"
> "Death." "Death who?"
> "Just Death."
>
I've only your word for that.You could be *unjust* death for all I know
--
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"The English people are like the English beer.
Froth on top, dregs at the bottom, the middle excellent" - Voltaire
Julie Stampnitzky
> In article <38a3bd4b...@news.pacifier.com>,
> Mark Jones <sin...@pacifier.com> wrote:
> >And yea, verily, on Tue, 08 Feb 2000 00:11:31 -0500,
> >av...@bigfoot.com (Avram Grumer) spake thusly:
> >
> >>Hm. One could probably do pretty well writing a book saying that the
> >>Mysterious Bermuda Traingle Disappearances are actually caused by the
> >>ghosts of slaves dumped over the sides of ships.
> >
> >And the ships that disappear are crewed (or passengered?) by folks
> >whose ancestors traded in or owned slaves.
>
> That seems rather hard on all the people whose ancestors were
> slaves who had children by their masters.
(Wouldn't it be more precise to express that the other way around?) It
seems rather hard on all the hapless descendents, I think. But in either
case it fits in quite well with the idea of the vengeful ghosts. Having
sensed that the victim carries the blood of slavetraders, none of their
victim's other characteristics matter to them any longer...
ObBook: _The Count of Monte Christo_, and probably some other stuff that's
slipping my memory at the moment.
--
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Rehovot, Israel | words?"
http://www.yucs.org/~jules |"So easy that, to tell you the truth,
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James Nicoll
Julie Stampnitzky <ju...@yucs.org> wrote:
>On 8 Feb 2000, James Nicoll wrote:
>
>> In article <38a3bd4b...@news.pacifier.com>,
>> Mark Jones <sin...@pacifier.com> wrote:
>> >And yea, verily, on Tue, 08 Feb 2000 00:11:31 -0500,
>> >av...@bigfoot.com (Avram Grumer) spake thusly:
>> >
>> >>Hm. One could probably do pretty well writing a book saying that the
>> >>Mysterious Bermuda Traingle Disappearances are actually caused by the
>> >>ghosts of slaves dumped over the sides of ships.
>> >
>> >And the ships that disappear are crewed (or passengered?) by folks
>> >whose ancestors traded in or owned slaves.
>>
>> That seems rather hard on all the people whose ancestors were
>> slaves who had children by their masters.
>
>(Wouldn't it be more precise to express that the other way around?)
Probably. I was sure there was a simple and elegant way to say
what I wanted but it escaped me.
--
Hal
say...
>
> >> i have a few questions to ask...
>
> > As do I, and as do we all. But I am glad you asked these
> >questions -- the road to enlightenment is revealed therein.
>
>
> Have a handful of RASSEF awards.
>
> I liked the citations best. The pacing was wonderful. Every time I
> caught my breath and almost stopped laughing, you'd hit me with Louis
> XIV.
Owwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwch. What did his courtiers have to say about
that? Must have bruised the dignity of Le Roi -- or L'Etat, as he
sometimes calls himself -- no end.
Much better to be hit with the Dauphin, I think.
-- Hal
Doug Wickstrom
excited the ether to say:
>Pamela Dean Dyer-Bennet, (pd...@gw.dd-b.net), was kind enough to
I think not. While the Dauphin was not, by any reasonable
standard, a large car, it was substantial enough that getting hit
by one could ruin your whole day.
--
Doug Wickstrom
Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle, and will piss on
your fanzines.
Pamela Dean Dyer-Bennet
>Pamela Dean Dyer-Bennet, (pd...@gw.dd-b.net), was kind enough to
>say...
>>
>> I liked the citations best. The pacing was wonderful. Every time I
>> caught my breath and almost stopped laughing, you'd hit me with Louis
>> XIV.
>Owwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwch. What did his courtiers have to say about
>that? Must have bruised the dignity of Le Roi -- or L'Etat, as he
>sometimes calls himself -- no end.
Certainly. I should have thought that was the point.
>Much better to be hit with the Dauphin, I think.
No, I like sea mammals and wouldn't care to upset one.
Avedon Carol
Dyer-Bennet) wrote:
>>Much better to be hit with the Dauphin, I think.
>
>No, I like sea mammals and wouldn't care to upset one.
They are mean. Stay away from them.
Pamela Dean Dyer-Bennet
Apart from thinking their horses are their mistresses, what's wrong
with them?
Cally Soukup
>>On 13 Feb 2000 00:59:13 GMT, pd...@gw.dd-b.net (Pamela Dean
>>Dyer-Bennet) wrote:
>>>>Much better to be hit with the Dauphin, I think.
>>>
>>>No, I like sea mammals and wouldn't care to upset one.
>>They are mean. Stay away from them.
> Apart from thinking their horses are their mistresses, what's wrong
> with them?
If I remember the news story from last year correctly, dolphins mob
and murder porpoises.
--
"I may disagree with what you have to say, but I will defend
to the death your right to say it." -- Beatrice Hall
Cally Soukup sou...@pobox.com