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Gary McGath
Dec 22, 2016, 6:54:49 AM12/22/16
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A lot of people remember a movie from the nineties called "Shazaam,"
which is about a genie played by an actor called Sinbad. However, there
is no documentary evidence that this movie existed.
http://www.newstatesman.com/science-tech/internet/2016/12/movie-doesn-t-exist-and-redditors-who-think-it-does
This suggests a couple of hypotheses. One is that it's a mixture of
memories about a TV series called "Shazzan" about a genie, a movie
called "Kazaam" about a genie, Captain Marvel, and assorted Sinbad the
Sailor movies.
The other possibility is that the actual genie (or perhaps the Men in
Black) didn't like the movie and erased all evidence of its existence,
but did an imperfect job of erasing people's memories.
Surely the second theory is a lot more fun.
I have some childhood memories of strange cartoons that may or may not
have actually existed. One involved a little boy (maybe Scrappy) who
found a room full of clocks, stopped them all, and walked out into a
world where everything was frozen in time. If it actually existed, I'd
love to see it again, but I've never found any hint of it.
--
Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com
which is about a genie played by an actor called Sinbad. However, there
is no documentary evidence that this movie existed.
http://www.newstatesman.com/science-tech/internet/2016/12/movie-doesn-t-exist-and-redditors-who-think-it-does
This suggests a couple of hypotheses. One is that it's a mixture of
memories about a TV series called "Shazzan" about a genie, a movie
called "Kazaam" about a genie, Captain Marvel, and assorted Sinbad the
Sailor movies.
The other possibility is that the actual genie (or perhaps the Men in
Black) didn't like the movie and erased all evidence of its existence,
but did an imperfect job of erasing people's memories.
Surely the second theory is a lot more fun.
I have some childhood memories of strange cartoons that may or may not
have actually existed. One involved a little boy (maybe Scrappy) who
found a room full of clocks, stopped them all, and walked out into a
world where everything was frozen in time. If it actually existed, I'd
love to see it again, but I've never found any hint of it.
--
Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com
Martha Adams
Dec 22, 2016, 8:58:46 PM12/22/16
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liked in past decades that are vanished now:
Tugboat Annie (1930's)
Our Gang (1930's)
Max Headroom (Brit version esp) (1960's)
Babylon 5 (1970's)
Sherlock Holmes, played by an actor whose name I've lost (1930's)
Ascent of Man by Jacob Bronowski
among others. I'm sure many or all of these are around somewhere, but
not in public. And that's a loss for the public.
Titeotwawki -- Martha Adams [2016 Dec 22]
Tim Illingworth
Dec 22, 2016, 9:51:42 PM12/22/16
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On 12/22/2016 8:57 PM, Martha Adams wrote:
> This topic of stuff that's vanished, is a *large* topic. A few things I
> liked in past decades that are vanished now:
>
> Tugboat Annie (1930's)
> Our Gang (1930's)
> Max Headroom (Brit version esp) (1960's)
> Babylon 5 (1970's)
> Sherlock Holmes, played by an actor whose name I've lost (1930's)
> Ascent of Man by Jacob Bronowski
>
> among others. I'm sure many or all of these are around somewhere, but
> not in public. And that's a loss for the public.
https://www.amazon.com/Tugboat-Annie-Robert-Young/dp/B002EAYEFQ
> This topic of stuff that's vanished, is a *large* topic. A few things I
> liked in past decades that are vanished now:
>
> Tugboat Annie (1930's)
> Our Gang (1930's)
> Max Headroom (Brit version esp) (1960's)
> Babylon 5 (1970's)
> Sherlock Holmes, played by an actor whose name I've lost (1930's)
> Ascent of Man by Jacob Bronowski
>
> among others. I'm sure many or all of these are around somewhere, but
> not in public. And that's a loss for the public.
https://www.amazon.com/Our-Gang-Collection-George-SpankyMcFarland/dp/B002OGHGSW/
https://www.amazon.com/Max-Headroom-Complete-Matt-Frewer/dp/B00005JNU5/
https://www.amazon.com/Babylon-5-Complete-Seasons-1-5/dp/B002DUJ9Q6/
https://www.amazon.com/Ascent-Man-Dvd-Set/dp/B000NDI3SK/
Arthur Wontner for the Holmes, rather than Basil Rathbone?
Tim
Dorothy J Heydt
Dec 22, 2016, 10:30:02 PM12/22/16
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In article <o3i3d6$k5n$1...@dont-email.me>,
Tim Illingworth <t...@smofs.org> wrote:
>https://www.amazon.com/Ascent-Man-Dvd-Set/dp/B000NDI3SK/
Ooooh. Bookmarked. I have that on Betamax tape, but no working
player.
(Of course, I won't have a hundred bucks, I won't have *any*
money till after DunDraCon, but maybe it'll still be available
then.)
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Tim Illingworth <t...@smofs.org> wrote:
>https://www.amazon.com/Ascent-Man-Dvd-Set/dp/B000NDI3SK/
Ooooh. Bookmarked. I have that on Betamax tape, but no working
player.
(Of course, I won't have a hundred bucks, I won't have *any*
money till after DunDraCon, but maybe it'll still be available
then.)
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Cryptoengineer
Dec 22, 2016, 11:07:43 PM12/22/16
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djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in news:oIMC1...@kithrup.com:
> In article <o3i3d6$k5n$1...@dont-email.me>,
> Tim Illingworth <t...@smofs.org> wrote:
>
>>https://www.amazon.com/Ascent-Man-Dvd-Set/dp/B000NDI3SK/
>
> Ooooh. Bookmarked. I have that on Betamax tape, but no working
> player.
>
> (Of course, I won't have a hundred bucks, I won't have *any*
> money till after DunDraCon, but maybe it'll still be available
> then.)
>
Superb series.
A response to Kenneth Clark's "Civilisation", which concentrated
on art.
Bronowski died tragically early.
pt
> In article <o3i3d6$k5n$1...@dont-email.me>,
> Tim Illingworth <t...@smofs.org> wrote:
>
>>https://www.amazon.com/Ascent-Man-Dvd-Set/dp/B000NDI3SK/
>
> Ooooh. Bookmarked. I have that on Betamax tape, but no working
> player.
>
> (Of course, I won't have a hundred bucks, I won't have *any*
> money till after DunDraCon, but maybe it'll still be available
> then.)
>
A response to Kenneth Clark's "Civilisation", which concentrated
on art.
Bronowski died tragically early.
pt
Tim Merrigan
Dec 23, 2016, 12:26:27 AM12/23/16
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On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 20:57:23 -0500, Martha Adams <mh...@verizon.net>
wrote:
>On 12/22/2016 06:54 AM, Gary McGath wrote:
>> A lot of people remember a movie from the nineties called "Shazaam,"
>> which is about a genie played by an actor called Sinbad. However, there
>> is no documentary evidence that this movie existed.
>>
>> http://www.newstatesman.com/science-tech/internet/2016/12/movie-doesn-t-exist-and-redditors-who-think-it-does
>>
>>
>> This suggests a couple of hypotheses. One is that it's a mixture of
>> memories about a TV series called "Shazzan" about a genie, a movie
>> called "Kazaam" about a genie, Captain Marvel, and assorted Sinbad the
>> Sailor movies.
>>
>> The other possibility is that the actual genie (or perhaps the Men in
>> Black) didn't like the movie and erased all evidence of its existence,
>> but did an imperfect job of erasing people's memories.
>>
>> Surely the second theory is a lot more fun.
>>
>> I have some childhood memories of strange cartoons that may or may not
>> have actually existed. One involved a little boy (maybe Scrappy) who
>> found a room full of clocks, stopped them all, and walked out into a
>> world where everything was frozen in time. If it actually existed, I'd
>> love to see it again, but I've never found any hint of it.
>>
>This topic of stuff that's vanished, is a *large* topic. A few things I
>liked in past decades that are vanished now:
>
> Tugboat Annie (1930's)
> Our Gang (1930's)
> Max Headroom (Brit version esp) (1960's)
Max Headroom is from the '80s. He's set in a Punk (as in punk rock)
future. (One to the deralects/rebels is an old man with a spiked
mohawk.)
> Babylon 5 (1970's)
1994-1998
> Sherlock Holmes, played by an actor whose name I've lost (1930's)
Basil Rathbone, with Nigel Bruce as Watson.
> Ascent of Man by Jacob Bronowski
>
>among others. I'm sure many or all of these are around somewhere, but
>not in public. And that's a loss for the public.
>
>Titeotwawki -- Martha Adams [2016 Dec 22]
>
>
>
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Tim Merrigan
wrote:
>On 12/22/2016 06:54 AM, Gary McGath wrote:
>> A lot of people remember a movie from the nineties called "Shazaam,"
>> which is about a genie played by an actor called Sinbad. However, there
>> is no documentary evidence that this movie existed.
>>
>> http://www.newstatesman.com/science-tech/internet/2016/12/movie-doesn-t-exist-and-redditors-who-think-it-does
>>
>>
>> This suggests a couple of hypotheses. One is that it's a mixture of
>> memories about a TV series called "Shazzan" about a genie, a movie
>> called "Kazaam" about a genie, Captain Marvel, and assorted Sinbad the
>> Sailor movies.
>>
>> The other possibility is that the actual genie (or perhaps the Men in
>> Black) didn't like the movie and erased all evidence of its existence,
>> but did an imperfect job of erasing people's memories.
>>
>> Surely the second theory is a lot more fun.
>>
>> I have some childhood memories of strange cartoons that may or may not
>> have actually existed. One involved a little boy (maybe Scrappy) who
>> found a room full of clocks, stopped them all, and walked out into a
>> world where everything was frozen in time. If it actually existed, I'd
>> love to see it again, but I've never found any hint of it.
>>
>This topic of stuff that's vanished, is a *large* topic. A few things I
>liked in past decades that are vanished now:
>
> Tugboat Annie (1930's)
> Our Gang (1930's)
> Max Headroom (Brit version esp) (1960's)
future. (One to the deralects/rebels is an old man with a spiked
mohawk.)
> Babylon 5 (1970's)
1994-1998
> Sherlock Holmes, played by an actor whose name I've lost (1930's)
> Ascent of Man by Jacob Bronowski
>
>among others. I'm sure many or all of these are around somewhere, but
>not in public. And that's a loss for the public.
>
>Titeotwawki -- Martha Adams [2016 Dec 22]
>
>
>
I pledge allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America,
and to the republic which it established, one nation, from many peoples,
promising liberty and justice for all.
Feel free to use the above variant pledge in your own postings.
Tim Merrigan
Paul Dormer
Dec 23, 2016, 5:56:47 AM12/23/16
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In article <GIadnYG7COhNGcHF...@giganews.com>,
Bought the DVDs of that just a year or so ago. It gets repeated on the
BBC occasionally.
Bought the DVDs of that just a year or so ago. It gets repeated on the
BBC occasionally.
Philip Chee
Dec 23, 2016, 6:17:36 AM12/23/16
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On 22/12/2016 19:54, Gary McGath wrote:
> A lot of people remember a movie from the nineties called "Shazaam,"
> which is about a genie played by an actor called Sinbad. However,
> there is no documentary evidence that this movie existed.
>
> http://www.newstatesman.com/science-tech/internet/2016/12/movie-doesn-t-exist-and-redditors-who-think-it-does
>
> This suggests a couple of hypotheses. One is that it's a mixture of
> memories about a TV series called "Shazzan" about a genie, a movie
> called "Kazaam" about a genie, Captain Marvel, and assorted Sinbad
> the Sailor movies.
>
> The other possibility is that the actual genie (or perhaps the Men in
> Black) didn't like the movie and erased all evidence of its
> existence, but did an imperfect job of erasing people's memories.
>
> Surely the second theory is a lot more fun.
> Captain Marvel
> A lot of people remember a movie from the nineties called "Shazaam,"
> which is about a genie played by an actor called Sinbad. However,
> there is no documentary evidence that this movie existed.
>
> http://www.newstatesman.com/science-tech/internet/2016/12/movie-doesn-t-exist-and-redditors-who-think-it-does
>
> This suggests a couple of hypotheses. One is that it's a mixture of
> memories about a TV series called "Shazzan" about a genie, a movie
> called "Kazaam" about a genie, Captain Marvel, and assorted Sinbad
> the Sailor movies.
>
> The other possibility is that the actual genie (or perhaps the Men in
> Black) didn't like the movie and erased all evidence of its
> existence, but did an imperfect job of erasing people's memories.
>
> Surely the second theory is a lot more fun.
Aha! I bet the disappearance was due to the Crisis on Infinite Earths.
Phil (has fond memories of the All Star Squadron - bet nobody here
remembers that!)
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garabik-ne...@kassiopeia.juls.savba.sk
Dec 23, 2016, 10:04:11 AM12/23/16
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Gary McGath <ga...@removemcgathremove.com> wrote:
> A lot of people remember a movie from the nineties called "Shazaam,"
> which is about a genie played by an actor called Sinbad. However, there
> is no documentary evidence that this movie existed.
>
...
> A lot of people remember a movie from the nineties called "Shazaam,"
> which is about a genie played by an actor called Sinbad. However, there
> is no documentary evidence that this movie existed.
>
> I have some childhood memories of strange cartoons that may or may not
> have actually existed. One involved a little boy (maybe Scrappy) who
> found a room full of clocks, stopped them all, and walked out into a
> world where everything was frozen in time. If it actually existed, I'd
> love to see it again, but I've never found any hint of it.
"""
The phenomenon where it is discovered that a global, well known fact has
apparently changed for A LARGE GROUP OF PEOPLE.
The effect & name refers to people remembering Nelson Mandela dying in
prison in the 1980s, when he actually survived long after his release.
"""
I have experienced some minor alternative memories as well...
Other, more disturbing possibility is something like SCP-1173 in
effect.
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Kevrob
Dec 23, 2016, 6:30:26 PM12/23/16
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On Friday, December 23, 2016 at 6:17:36 AM UTC-5, Philip Chee wrote:
> On 22/12/2016 19:54, Gary McGath wrote:
> > A lot of people remember a movie from the nineties called "Shazaam,"
> > which is about a genie played by an actor called Sinbad. However,
> > there is no documentary evidence that this movie existed.
> >
> > http://www.newstatesman.com/science-tech/internet/2016/12/movie-doesn-t-exist-and-redditors-who-think-it-does
> >
> > This suggests a couple of hypotheses. One is that it's a mixture of
> > memories about a TV series called "Shazzan" about a genie, a movie
> > called "Kazaam" about a genie, Captain Marvel, and assorted Sinbad
> > the Sailor movies.
> >
> > The other possibility is that the actual genie (or perhaps the Men in
> > Black) didn't like the movie and erased all evidence of its
> > existence, but did an imperfect job of erasing people's memories.
> >
> > Surely the second theory is a lot more fun.
>
> > Captain Marvel
> Aha! I bet the disappearance was due to the Crisis on Infinite Earths.
>
> Phil (has fond memories of the All Star Squadron - bet nobody here
> remembers that!)
Ah, c'mon Phil. I bought every issue of A*S.
> On 22/12/2016 19:54, Gary McGath wrote:
> > A lot of people remember a movie from the nineties called "Shazaam,"
> > which is about a genie played by an actor called Sinbad. However,
> > there is no documentary evidence that this movie existed.
> >
> > http://www.newstatesman.com/science-tech/internet/2016/12/movie-doesn-t-exist-and-redditors-who-think-it-does
> >
> > This suggests a couple of hypotheses. One is that it's a mixture of
> > memories about a TV series called "Shazzan" about a genie, a movie
> > called "Kazaam" about a genie, Captain Marvel, and assorted Sinbad
> > the Sailor movies.
> >
> > The other possibility is that the actual genie (or perhaps the Men in
> > Black) didn't like the movie and erased all evidence of its
> > existence, but did an imperfect job of erasing people's memories.
> >
> > Surely the second theory is a lot more fun.
>
> > Captain Marvel
> Aha! I bet the disappearance was due to the Crisis on Infinite Earths.
>
> Phil (has fond memories of the All Star Squadron - bet nobody here
> remembers that!)
[Namedrop]
Jerry Ordway is an old pal of mine, from before he sold
his first pro piece.
[/namedrop]
Kevin R
Tim Merrigan
Dec 23, 2016, 6:32:54 PM12/23/16
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On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 19:17:30 +0800, Philip Chee <phi...@aleytys.pc.my>
wrote:
>On 22/12/2016 19:54, Gary McGath wrote:
>> A lot of people remember a movie from the nineties called "Shazaam,"
>> which is about a genie played by an actor called Sinbad. However,
>> there is no documentary evidence that this movie existed.
>>
>> http://www.newstatesman.com/science-tech/internet/2016/12/movie-doesn-t-exist-and-redditors-who-think-it-does
>>
>> This suggests a couple of hypotheses. One is that it's a mixture of
>> memories about a TV series called "Shazzan" about a genie, a movie
>> called "Kazaam" about a genie, Captain Marvel, and assorted Sinbad
>> the Sailor movies.
>>
>> The other possibility is that the actual genie (or perhaps the Men in
>> Black) didn't like the movie and erased all evidence of its
>> existence, but did an imperfect job of erasing people's memories.
>>
>> Surely the second theory is a lot more fun.
>
>> Captain Marvel
>Aha! I bet the disappearance was due to the Crisis on Infinite Earths.
>
>Phil (has fond memories of the All Star Squadron - bet nobody here
>remembers that!)
I think they may have appeared in last seasons "DC's Legends of
Tomarrow" though they were called the Justice Socity of America.
wrote:
>On 22/12/2016 19:54, Gary McGath wrote:
>> A lot of people remember a movie from the nineties called "Shazaam,"
>> which is about a genie played by an actor called Sinbad. However,
>> there is no documentary evidence that this movie existed.
>>
>> http://www.newstatesman.com/science-tech/internet/2016/12/movie-doesn-t-exist-and-redditors-who-think-it-does
>>
>> This suggests a couple of hypotheses. One is that it's a mixture of
>> memories about a TV series called "Shazzan" about a genie, a movie
>> called "Kazaam" about a genie, Captain Marvel, and assorted Sinbad
>> the Sailor movies.
>>
>> The other possibility is that the actual genie (or perhaps the Men in
>> Black) didn't like the movie and erased all evidence of its
>> existence, but did an imperfect job of erasing people's memories.
>>
>> Surely the second theory is a lot more fun.
>
>> Captain Marvel
>Aha! I bet the disappearance was due to the Crisis on Infinite Earths.
>
>Phil (has fond memories of the All Star Squadron - bet nobody here
>remembers that!)
Tomarrow" though they were called the Justice Socity of America.
Gary McGath
Dec 23, 2016, 8:11:20 PM12/23/16
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On 12/23/16 10:04 AM, garabik-ne...@kassiopeia.juls.savba.sk wrote:
> What you are describing is a Mandela Effect.
Shazaam yes, that cartoon recollection no. I've never run into anyone
> What you are describing is a Mandela Effect.
else who remembers that cartoon. I've got a few other recollections like
that, and probably they're the result of my dreaming vividly in cartoon
form as a child.
Some of them could just be obscure cartoons, though. Until I
rediscovered the Betty Boop / Cab Calloway cartoons, I thought they
might have been dreams. They have that quality.
Kevrob
Dec 23, 2016, 8:42:36 PM12/23/16
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[wiki]
Shazzan is not to be confused with Shazam!, the 1970s comic
book/television revival of Golden Age super hero Captain Marvel,
created by C. C. Beck and Bill Parker.
[/wiki]
Now that Hanna-Barbera is part of Warner, the genie and the
ancient Egyptian wizard could have a crossover!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shazzan
Designs by Alex (Johnny Quest/Space Ghost) Toth. I watched it
sporadically when it was on CBS-TV, but it aired v ABC's SPIDER-
MAN, so probably only caught the repeats. I was not quite 11
when it premiered.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967%E2%80%9368_United_States_network_television_schedule_(Saturday_morning)
Kevin R
Edward McArdle
Dec 24, 2016, 7:12:22 AM12/24/16
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In article <o3khsv$kji$1...@dont-email.me>, Gary McGath
One I remember that was strange was Felix the Cat. I was pretty small, so
it may not have been remarkable, but I remember he could play with his
thought balloon!
--
Edward McArdle
it may not have been remarkable, but I remember he could play with his
thought balloon!
--
Edward McArdle
Keith F. Lynch
Dec 24, 2016, 1:50:55 PM12/24/16
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You beat me to it.
One explanation is that governments, or some very powerful secret
organization, is changing the official records. I think this is
unlikely. But it is one reason to prefer hardcopy books, just
in case. (Of course a sufficiently powerful organization could
surreptitiously alter the books on your shelf.)
Another explanation is that the multiple worlds theory is true, and
that people and objects (especially socks in dryers) sometimes slip
between nearby multiple worlds.
Another explanation is that our memories aren't perfect.
ObSF: I'm quite certain that when I first read Murray Leinster's
"First Contact," that the protagonist speculated that the aliens might
be as polite but as treacherous as the Japanese, or as gruff but as
decent as the Swedes. Am I misremembering, or was that part removed
due to political correctness when it was reprinted?
--
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Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.
One explanation is that governments, or some very powerful secret
organization, is changing the official records. I think this is
unlikely. But it is one reason to prefer hardcopy books, just
in case. (Of course a sufficiently powerful organization could
surreptitiously alter the books on your shelf.)
Another explanation is that the multiple worlds theory is true, and
that people and objects (especially socks in dryers) sometimes slip
between nearby multiple worlds.
Another explanation is that our memories aren't perfect.
ObSF: I'm quite certain that when I first read Murray Leinster's
"First Contact," that the protagonist speculated that the aliens might
be as polite but as treacherous as the Japanese, or as gruff but as
decent as the Swedes. Am I misremembering, or was that part removed
due to political correctness when it was reprinted?
--
Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.
Keith F. Lynch
Dec 24, 2016, 1:58:36 PM12/24/16
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Martha Adams <mh...@verizon.net> wrote:
> This topic of stuff that's vanished, is a *large* topic. A few
> things I liked in past decades that are vanished now:
> Tugboat Annie (1930's)
> Our Gang (1930's)
> Max Headroom (Brit version esp) (1960's)
> Babylon 5 (1970's)
> Sherlock Holmes, played by an actor whose name I've lost (1930's)
> Ascent of Man by Jacob Bronowski
> among others. I'm sure many or all of these are around somewhere,
> but not in public. And that's a loss for the public.
As others have pointed out, most if not all of those are available on
> This topic of stuff that's vanished, is a *large* topic. A few
> things I liked in past decades that are vanished now:
> Tugboat Annie (1930's)
> Our Gang (1930's)
> Max Headroom (Brit version esp) (1960's)
> Babylon 5 (1970's)
> Sherlock Holmes, played by an actor whose name I've lost (1930's)
> Ascent of Man by Jacob Bronowski
> among others. I'm sure many or all of these are around somewhere,
> but not in public. And that's a loss for the public.
DVD. Old movies, cartoons, and TV shows are much more accessible than
ever before. It used to be that you had to wait until a local TV
station decided to broadcast one -- probably with parts removed to
avoid offending anyone and to make room for lots of commercials. And,
for any movie made after 1950 or so, with the edges cut off so that it
would fit on the TV screens of the time.
Our Gang is better known these days as Little Rascals. (TV stations
had the right to show the films, but not to use the title, so they
made up the new title.) I have a bunch on DVD, including some silent
ones from the 1920s.
Keith F. Lynch
Dec 24, 2016, 3:28:01 PM12/24/16
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Gary McGath <ga...@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
> I have some childhood memories of strange cartoons that may or
> may not have actually existed. One involved a little boy (maybe
> Scrappy) who found a room full of clocks, stopped them all, and
> walked out into a world where everything was frozen in time.
> If it actually existed, I'd love to see it again, but I've never
> found any hint of it.
I don't recall that, but just a couple days ago I got together with
> I have some childhood memories of strange cartoons that may or
> may not have actually existed. One involved a little boy (maybe
> Scrappy) who found a room full of clocks, stopped them all, and
> walked out into a world where everything was frozen in time.
> If it actually existed, I'd love to see it again, but I've never
> found any hint of it.
friends to watch movies, Youtube videos, old TV episodes, etc., and
we watched a Twilight Zone episode about a man given a stopwatch that
could stop time. I immediately remembered that the twist ending was
that he used it to steal cultural treasures, and the "person" who gave
it to him told him he was free to keep it, as he had done them and
mankind a great favor, bringing the treasures to where they could be
taken off the planet, which was going to be destroyed in a few moments
by an experimental new H-bomb that American scientists were about
to test.
Anyhow, that is not at all how it ended. It ended with his clumsily
breaking the watch and being stuck in that instant forever.
Was that a different episode, or was I massively misremembering the
episode I saw?
garabik-ne...@kassiopeia.juls.savba.sk
Dec 24, 2016, 4:09:59 PM12/24/16
to
Keith F. Lynch <k...@keithlynch.net> wrote:
> I don't recall that, but just a couple days ago I got together with
> friends to watch movies, Youtube videos, old TV episodes, etc., and
> we watched a Twilight Zone episode about a man given a stopwatch that
> could stop time. I immediately remembered that the twist ending was
> that he used it to steal cultural treasures, and the "person" who gave
> it to him told him he was free to keep it, as he had done them and
> mankind a great favor, bringing the treasures to where they could be
> taken off the planet, which was going to be destroyed in a few moments
> by an experimental new H-bomb that American scientists were about
> to test.
>
> Anyhow, that is not at all how it ended. It ended with his clumsily
> breaking the watch and being stuck in that instant forever.
>
> Was that a different episode, or was I massively misremembering the
> episode I saw?
You described (almost) All the time in the World by Arthur C.Clarke.
> I don't recall that, but just a couple days ago I got together with
> friends to watch movies, Youtube videos, old TV episodes, etc., and
> we watched a Twilight Zone episode about a man given a stopwatch that
> could stop time. I immediately remembered that the twist ending was
> that he used it to steal cultural treasures, and the "person" who gave
> it to him told him he was free to keep it, as he had done them and
> mankind a great favor, bringing the treasures to where they could be
> taken off the planet, which was going to be destroyed in a few moments
> by an experimental new H-bomb that American scientists were about
> to test.
>
> Anyhow, that is not at all how it ended. It ended with his clumsily
> breaking the watch and being stuck in that instant forever.
>
> Was that a different episode, or was I massively misremembering the
> episode I saw?
Obviously, in the universe you came from it has been adapted into a
Twilight Zone episode more faithfully.
Dorothy J Heydt
Dec 24, 2016, 5:00:01 PM12/24/16
to
In article <o3mo72$ri9$1...@gioia.aioe.org>,
with a similar sort of plot, or plot element anyway. I can't
remember whether it's a novel or a movie. :(
<garabik-ne...@kassiopeia.juls.savba.sk> wrote:
>Keith F. Lynch <k...@keithlynch.net> wrote:
>
>> I don't recall that, but just a couple days ago I got together with
>> friends to watch movies, Youtube videos, old TV episodes, etc., and
>> we watched a Twilight Zone episode about a man given a stopwatch that
>> could stop time. I immediately remembered that the twist ending was
>> that he used it to steal cultural treasures, and the "person" who gave
>> it to him told him he was free to keep it, as he had done them and
>> mankind a great favor, bringing the treasures to where they could be
>> taken off the planet, which was going to be destroyed in a few moments
>> by an experimental new H-bomb that American scientists were about
>> to test.
>>
>> Anyhow, that is not at all how it ended. It ended with his clumsily
>> breaking the watch and being stuck in that instant forever.
>>
>> Was that a different episode, or was I massively misremembering the
>> episode I saw?
>
>You described (almost) All the time in the World by Arthur C.Clarke.
>Obviously, in the universe you came from it has been adapted into a
>Twilight Zone episode more faithfully.
There's also a title "The Girl, The Gold Watch, and Everything"
>Keith F. Lynch <k...@keithlynch.net> wrote:
>
>> I don't recall that, but just a couple days ago I got together with
>> friends to watch movies, Youtube videos, old TV episodes, etc., and
>> we watched a Twilight Zone episode about a man given a stopwatch that
>> could stop time. I immediately remembered that the twist ending was
>> that he used it to steal cultural treasures, and the "person" who gave
>> it to him told him he was free to keep it, as he had done them and
>> mankind a great favor, bringing the treasures to where they could be
>> taken off the planet, which was going to be destroyed in a few moments
>> by an experimental new H-bomb that American scientists were about
>> to test.
>>
>> Anyhow, that is not at all how it ended. It ended with his clumsily
>> breaking the watch and being stuck in that instant forever.
>>
>> Was that a different episode, or was I massively misremembering the
>> episode I saw?
>
>You described (almost) All the time in the World by Arthur C.Clarke.
>Obviously, in the universe you came from it has been adapted into a
>Twilight Zone episode more faithfully.
with a similar sort of plot, or plot element anyway. I can't
remember whether it's a novel or a movie. :(
David Goldfarb
Dec 24, 2016, 5:15:01 PM12/24/16
to
In article <oIpLq...@kithrup.com>,
Keith is certainly remembering the Clarke story, however.
--
David Goldfarb |"The Uncertainty Principle allows particles
goldf...@gmail.com | to travel faster than light over short distances."
gold...@ocf.berkeley.edu | -- Stephen Hawking
Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
>There's also a title "The Girl, The Gold Watch, and Everything"
>with a similar sort of plot, or plot element anyway. I can't
>remember whether it's a novel or a movie. :(
It's a novel by John D. MacDonald, and it had a TV-movie adaptation.
>There's also a title "The Girl, The Gold Watch, and Everything"
>with a similar sort of plot, or plot element anyway. I can't
>remember whether it's a novel or a movie. :(
Keith is certainly remembering the Clarke story, however.
--
David Goldfarb |"The Uncertainty Principle allows particles
goldf...@gmail.com | to travel faster than light over short distances."
gold...@ocf.berkeley.edu | -- Stephen Hawking
Gary McGath
Dec 24, 2016, 7:48:32 PM12/24/16
to
On 12/24/16 4:44 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> You described (almost) All the time in the World by Arthur C.Clarke.
>> Obviously, in the universe you came from it has been adapted into a
>> Twilight Zone episode more faithfully.
>
> There's also a title "The Girl, The Gold Watch, and Everything"
> with a similar sort of plot, or plot element anyway. I can't
> remember whether it's a novel or a movie. :(
>
Michael Ende's novel _Momo_ has a somewhat similar idea. Master Hora, a
>> You described (almost) All the time in the World by Arthur C.Clarke.
>> Obviously, in the universe you came from it has been adapted into a
>> Twilight Zone episode more faithfully.
>
> There's also a title "The Girl, The Gold Watch, and Everything"
> with a similar sort of plot, or plot element anyway. I can't
> remember whether it's a novel or a movie. :(
>
variant of Father Time (who presumably is also an excellent Jewish
dancer), has a house full of clocks and can stop time. He gives the
little girl Momo an "hour flower" which lets her move while everything
else is stopped.
rincewind
Dec 24, 2016, 11:43:57 PM12/24/16
to
On Friday, December 23, 2016 at 8:11:20 PM UTC-5, Gary McGath wrote:
> On 12/23/16 10:04 AM, garabik-ne...@kassiopeia.juls.savba.sk wrote:
>
> > What you are describing is a Mandela Effect.
>
> Shazaam yes, that cartoon recollection no. I've never run into anyone
> else who remembers that cartoon. I've got a few other recollections like
> that, and probably they're the result of my dreaming vividly in cartoon
> form as a child.
I do remember the cartoon. Two children from our time get thrown back into a magical "Arabian Nights" world where they get two rings that enable them to call a genie named "Shazaam" who protects them.
>
> > What you are describing is a Mandela Effect.
>
> Shazaam yes, that cartoon recollection no. I've never run into anyone
> else who remembers that cartoon. I've got a few other recollections like
> that, and probably they're the result of my dreaming vividly in cartoon
> form as a child.
I think there was a flying donkey as well.
rincewind
Dec 24, 2016, 11:45:52 PM12/24/16
to
rincewind
Dec 24, 2016, 11:47:01 PM12/24/16
to
Dorothy J Heydt
Dec 25, 2016, 1:30:02 AM12/25/16
to
In article <e9a65f21-4d5e-48cf...@googlegroups.com>,
Well, tapes were expensive. On the other hand, copies were sent
to stations in various other countries, and from time to time
they surface. Also, audio tapes of some of the early episodes
were preserved, and BBC is now offering them with animated
reconstructions.
This, scheduled for the beginning of the 2017 season,
https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?tab=wm#all/1590d4e9ad78bb5f
is a sequel to one from the old days which has recently been reconstructed.
BBC is currently offering this also:
https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?tab=wm#all/15903dd8fed2c30a
Trouble is, I can't afford either of them; in January I'm going
to have to shell out $635 for medicine (and that's after Blue
Cross and Medicare have paid their share).
Maybe the discs will still be available after February, which I
will have some money.
to stations in various other countries, and from time to time
they surface. Also, audio tapes of some of the early episodes
were preserved, and BBC is now offering them with animated
reconstructions.
This, scheduled for the beginning of the 2017 season,
https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?tab=wm#all/1590d4e9ad78bb5f
is a sequel to one from the old days which has recently been reconstructed.
BBC is currently offering this also:
https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?tab=wm#all/15903dd8fed2c30a
Trouble is, I can't afford either of them; in January I'm going
to have to shell out $635 for medicine (and that's after Blue
Cross and Medicare have paid their share).
Maybe the discs will still be available after February, which I
will have some money.
Philip Chee
Dec 25, 2016, 1:44:47 AM12/25/16
to
Phil (Thinks it's a book)
David Goldfarb
Dec 25, 2016, 2:45:02 AM12/25/16
to
In article <ebd1de22-9096-478e...@googlegroups.com>,
it in old comic books. I believe it was "Kaboobie the flying camel".
Okay, time to google it. And of course Wikipedia has an entry and
episode guide:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shazzan
And yes, it was a flying camel, and yes, it had that rather
unfortunate name.
--
David Goldfarb |From the fortune cookie file:
goldf...@gmail.com |
gold...@ocf.berkeley.edu |"Sell your ideas -- they are totally acceptable."
rincewind <edrh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I do remember the cartoon. Two children from our time get thrown back
>into a magical "Arabian Nights" world where they get two rings that
>enable them to call a genie named "Shazaam" who protects them.
>
>I think there was a flying donkey as well.
I've never seen the cartoon myself, but I remember seeing ads for
>I do remember the cartoon. Two children from our time get thrown back
>into a magical "Arabian Nights" world where they get two rings that
>enable them to call a genie named "Shazaam" who protects them.
>
>I think there was a flying donkey as well.
it in old comic books. I believe it was "Kaboobie the flying camel".
Okay, time to google it. And of course Wikipedia has an entry and
episode guide:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shazzan
And yes, it was a flying camel, and yes, it had that rather
unfortunate name.
--
David Goldfarb |From the fortune cookie file:
goldf...@gmail.com |
gold...@ocf.berkeley.edu |"Sell your ideas -- they are totally acceptable."
Kevrob
Dec 25, 2016, 6:05:14 AM12/25/16
to
On Sunday, December 25, 2016 at 1:44:47 AM UTC-5, Philip Chee wrote:
> On 25/12/2016 05:44, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> > In article <o3mo72$ri9$1...@gioia.aioe.org>,
> > <garabik-ne...@kassiopeia.juls.savba.sk> wrote:
> >>Keith F. Lynch <k...@keithlynch.net> wrote:
>
> >>> Anyhow, that is not at all how it ended. It ended with his clumsily
> >>> breaking the watch and being stuck in that instant forever.
> >>>
> >>> Was that a different episode, or was I massively misremembering the
> >>> episode I saw?
> >>
> >>You described (almost) All the time in the World by Arthur C.Clarke.
> >>Obviously, in the universe you came from it has been adapted into a
> >>Twilight Zone episode more faithfully.
> >
> > There's also a title "The Girl, The Gold Watch, and Everything"
> > with a similar sort of plot, or plot element anyway. I can't
> > remember whether it's a novel or a movie. :(
>
> See? The Orbital Mind Control Lasers are working.
>
> Phil (Thinks it's a book)
Book from 1962
> On 25/12/2016 05:44, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> > In article <o3mo72$ri9$1...@gioia.aioe.org>,
> > <garabik-ne...@kassiopeia.juls.savba.sk> wrote:
> >>Keith F. Lynch <k...@keithlynch.net> wrote:
>
> >>> Anyhow, that is not at all how it ended. It ended with his clumsily
> >>> breaking the watch and being stuck in that instant forever.
> >>>
> >>> Was that a different episode, or was I massively misremembering the
> >>> episode I saw?
> >>
> >>You described (almost) All the time in the World by Arthur C.Clarke.
> >>Obviously, in the universe you came from it has been adapted into a
> >>Twilight Zone episode more faithfully.
> >
> > There's also a title "The Girl, The Gold Watch, and Everything"
> > with a similar sort of plot, or plot element anyway. I can't
> > remember whether it's a novel or a movie. :(
>
> See? The Orbital Mind Control Lasers are working.
>
> Phil (Thinks it's a book)
http://hpmor.com/chapter/41
TV movie from 1980
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080792/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1
Robert (Airplane!) Hays and Pam (MIndy,from Mork &...) Dawber.
The lasers need an upgrade, it seems.
Kevin R
rincewind
Dec 25, 2016, 9:39:22 AM12/25/16
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Camel! That's right. There was a donkey in "The Arabian Knights," I don't think he flew, but don't ever pull his tail!
Tim Merrigan
Dec 25, 2016, 4:04:48 PM12/25/16
to
programs from that era, largely due to fan efforts to preserve and
restore them. Still missing almost all of the second Doctor's
episodes, though. (For some of that restoration one can thank foreign
market censors, who clipped out offensive scenes and put them away in
vaults, rather than destroying them.)
Tim Merrigan
Dec 25, 2016, 4:09:41 PM12/25/16
to
On Sun, 25 Dec 2016 06:26:59 GMT, djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
Heydt) wrote:
>This, scheduled for the beginning of the 2017 season,
>
>https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?tab=wm#all/1590d4e9ad78bb5f
>
>is a sequel to one from the old days which has recently been reconstructed.
>
>BBC is currently offering this also:
>
>https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?tab=wm#all/15903dd8fed2c30a
When I click on those links they open my gmail account but don't tell
Heydt) wrote:
>This, scheduled for the beginning of the 2017 season,
>
>https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?tab=wm#all/1590d4e9ad78bb5f
>
>is a sequel to one from the old days which has recently been reconstructed.
>
>BBC is currently offering this also:
>
>https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?tab=wm#all/15903dd8fed2c30a
me anything about BBC or Dr. Who.
Tim Merrigan
Dec 25, 2016, 4:16:22 PM12/25/16
to
On Sat, 24 Dec 2016 18:50:54 +0000 (UTC), "Keith F. Lynch"
<k...@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
><garabik-ne...@kassiopeia.juls.savba.sk> wrote:
>> What you are describing is a Mandela Effect.
>
>You beat me to it.
>
>One explanation is that governments, or some very powerful secret
>organization, is changing the official records. I think this is
>unlikely. But it is one reason to prefer hardcopy books, just
>in case. (Of course a sufficiently powerful organization could
>surreptitiously alter the books on your shelf.)
>
>Another explanation is that the multiple worlds theory is true, and
>that people and objects (especially socks in dryers) sometimes slip
>between nearby multiple worlds.
>
>Another explanation is that our memories aren't perfect.
>
>ObSF: I'm quite certain that when I first read Murray Leinster's
>"First Contact," that the protagonist speculated that the aliens might
>be as polite but as treacherous as the Japanese, or as gruff but as
>decent as the Swedes. Am I misremembering, or was that part removed
>due to political correctness when it was reprinted?
The Soviet Union wasn't sufficiently powerful for that. When they
<k...@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
><garabik-ne...@kassiopeia.juls.savba.sk> wrote:
>> What you are describing is a Mandela Effect.
>
>You beat me to it.
>
>One explanation is that governments, or some very powerful secret
>organization, is changing the official records. I think this is
>unlikely. But it is one reason to prefer hardcopy books, just
>in case. (Of course a sufficiently powerful organization could
>surreptitiously alter the books on your shelf.)
>
>Another explanation is that the multiple worlds theory is true, and
>that people and objects (especially socks in dryers) sometimes slip
>between nearby multiple worlds.
>
>Another explanation is that our memories aren't perfect.
>
>ObSF: I'm quite certain that when I first read Murray Leinster's
>"First Contact," that the protagonist speculated that the aliens might
>be as polite but as treacherous as the Japanese, or as gruff but as
>decent as the Swedes. Am I misremembering, or was that part removed
>due to political correctness when it was reprinted?
wanted entries in the Encyclopedia Sovietica changed they sent out new
pages to subscribers and asked them to remove and replace the
appropriate pages.
Tim Merrigan
Dec 25, 2016, 4:25:19 PM12/25/16
to
1962 which was later made into a TV movie in 1980.
Dorothy J Heydt
Dec 25, 2016, 6:15:11 PM12/25/16
to
In article <dad06c5mdbnppjesa...@4ax.com>,
inadequate.
Tim Merrigan <tp...@ca.rr.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 25 Dec 2016 06:26:59 GMT, djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
>Heydt) wrote:
>
>>This, scheduled for the beginning of the 2017 season,
>>
>>https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?tab=wm#all/1590d4e9ad78bb5f
>>
>>is a sequel to one from the old days which has recently been reconstructed.
>>
>>BBC is currently offering this also:
>>
>>https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?tab=wm#all/15903dd8fed2c30a
>
>When I click on those links they open my gmail account but don't tell
>me anything about BBC or Dr. Who.
Oh, darn! Bad link, no biscuit. Sorry, my link-fu is
>On Sun, 25 Dec 2016 06:26:59 GMT, djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
>Heydt) wrote:
>
>>This, scheduled for the beginning of the 2017 season,
>>
>>https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?tab=wm#all/1590d4e9ad78bb5f
>>
>>is a sequel to one from the old days which has recently been reconstructed.
>>
>>BBC is currently offering this also:
>>
>>https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?tab=wm#all/15903dd8fed2c30a
>
>When I click on those links they open my gmail account but don't tell
>me anything about BBC or Dr. Who.
inadequate.
Scott Dorsey
Dec 26, 2016, 9:44:25 AM12/26/16
to
Tim Merrigan <tp...@ca.rr.com> wrote:
>
>The Soviet Union wasn't sufficiently powerful for that. When they
>wanted entries in the Encyclopedia Sovietica changed they sent out new
>pages to subscribers and asked them to remove and replace the
>appropriate pages.
I wondered where IBM got the idea from!
>
>The Soviet Union wasn't sufficiently powerful for that. When they
>wanted entries in the Encyclopedia Sovietica changed they sent out new
>pages to subscribers and asked them to remove and replace the
>appropriate pages.
--scott
(who, as the junior operator, had to put all the updates into the manuals
every month)
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
Tim Merrigan
Dec 26, 2016, 4:09:53 PM12/26/16
to
On 26 Dec 2016 09:44:24 -0500, klu...@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
>Tim Merrigan <tp...@ca.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>The Soviet Union wasn't sufficiently powerful for that. When they
>>wanted entries in the Encyclopedia Sovietica changed they sent out new
>>pages to subscribers and asked them to remove and replace the
>>appropriate pages.
>
>I wondered where IBM got the idea from!
>--scott
> (who, as the junior operator, had to put all the updates into the manuals
> every month)
I don't think IBM was usually trying to erase someone from history
>Tim Merrigan <tp...@ca.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>The Soviet Union wasn't sufficiently powerful for that. When they
>>wanted entries in the Encyclopedia Sovietica changed they sent out new
>>pages to subscribers and asked them to remove and replace the
>>appropriate pages.
>
>I wondered where IBM got the idea from!
>--scott
> (who, as the junior operator, had to put all the updates into the manuals
> every month)
with their updates.
Tim Illingworth
Dec 26, 2016, 5:28:13 PM12/26/16
to
On 12/26/2016 4:10 PM, Tim Merrigan wrote:
> On 26 Dec 2016 09:44:24 -0500, klu...@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
>
>> Tim Merrigan <tp...@ca.rr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> The Soviet Union wasn't sufficiently powerful for that. When they
>>> wanted entries in the Encyclopedia Sovietica changed they sent out new
>>> pages to subscribers and asked them to remove and replace the
>>> appropriate pages.
>>
>> I wondered where IBM got the idea from!
>> --scott
>> (who, as the junior operator, had to put all the updates into the manuals
>> every month)
>
>
> I don't think IBM was usually trying to erase someone from history
> with their updates.
>
That just shows how well it worked.
> On 26 Dec 2016 09:44:24 -0500, klu...@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
>
>> Tim Merrigan <tp...@ca.rr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> The Soviet Union wasn't sufficiently powerful for that. When they
>>> wanted entries in the Encyclopedia Sovietica changed they sent out new
>>> pages to subscribers and asked them to remove and replace the
>>> appropriate pages.
>>
>> I wondered where IBM got the idea from!
>> --scott
>> (who, as the junior operator, had to put all the updates into the manuals
>> every month)
>
>
> I don't think IBM was usually trying to erase someone from history
> with their updates.
>
Tim
Scott Dorsey
Dec 26, 2016, 5:32:52 PM12/26/16
to
Tim Merrigan <tp...@ca.rr.com> wrote:
>On 26 Dec 2016 09:44:24 -0500, klu...@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
>
>>I wondered where IBM got the idea from!
>
>On 26 Dec 2016 09:44:24 -0500, klu...@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
>
>>I wondered where IBM got the idea from!
>
>I don't think IBM was usually trying to erase someone from history
>with their updates.
You ever talked to the OS/360 support people? "Oh, that was never a supported
>with their updates.
feature, it never did that." "It's not possible, we never had that option on
that command."
The Great Soviet Encyclopedia has nothing on those guys.
--scott
Keith F. Lynch
Dec 26, 2016, 10:37:29 PM12/26/16
to
Tim Merrigan <tp...@ca.rr.com> wrote:
> The Soviet Union wasn't sufficiently powerful for that. When they
> wanted entries in the Encyclopedia Sovietica changed they sent out
> new pages to subscribers and asked them to remove and replace the
> appropriate pages.
Right. But had it been electronic, it could have been silently
> The Soviet Union wasn't sufficiently powerful for that. When they
> wanted entries in the Encyclopedia Sovietica changed they sent out
> new pages to subscribers and asked them to remove and replace the
> appropriate pages.
changed overnight, with none of its readers ever realizing it.
"Didn't it used to say X? I must be misremembering."
Keith F. Lynch
Dec 26, 2016, 10:39:15 PM12/26/16
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Tim Merrigan <tp...@ca.rr.com> wrote:
> And Doctor Who is the best preserved and restored of the BBC's
> programs from that era, largely due to fan efforts to preserve and
> restore them. Still missing almost all of the second Doctor's
> episodes, though. (For some of that restoration one can thank
> foreign market censors, who clipped out offensive scenes and put
> them away in vaults, rather than destroying them.)
That would make a very choppy restoration, unless every scene was
> And Doctor Who is the best preserved and restored of the BBC's
> programs from that era, largely due to fan efforts to preserve and
> restore them. Still missing almost all of the second Doctor's
> episodes, though. (For some of that restoration one can thank
> foreign market censors, who clipped out offensive scenes and put
> them away in vaults, rather than destroying them.)
considered offensive by some censor.
Keith F. Lynch
Dec 27, 2016, 9:26:35 PM12/27/16
to
Keith F. Lynch <k...@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
> ObSF: I'm quite certain that when I first read Murray Leinster's
> "First Contact," that the protagonist speculated that the aliens
> might be as polite but as treacherous as the Japanese, or as gruff
> but as decent as the Swedes. Am I misremembering, or was that part
> removed due to political correctness when it was reprinted?
A lurker who supports me in email (no, really) confirmed my
> ObSF: I'm quite certain that when I first read Murray Leinster's
> "First Contact," that the protagonist speculated that the aliens
> might be as polite but as treacherous as the Japanese, or as gruff
> but as decent as the Swedes. Am I misremembering, or was that part
> removed due to political correctness when it was reprinted?
recollection, and gave the exact wording:
Maybe these creatures will be aesthetic marvels, nice and friendly
and polite -- and underneath with the sneaking brutal ferocity of a
Japanese. Or maybe they'll be crude and gruff as a Swedish farmer
-- and just as decent underneath.
Thanks, lurker.
Keith F. Lynch
Dec 27, 2016, 9:47:34 PM12/27/16
to
Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
> Trouble is, I can't afford either of them; in January I'm going to
> have to shell out $635 for medicine (and that's after Blue Cross and
> Medicare have paid their share).
When government or insurance pays for half of something, its price
> have to shell out $635 for medicine (and that's after Blue Cross and
> Medicare have paid their share).
promptly triples.
I'm doing without insurance. If I become ill, I'll either get better
without treatment or I won't. I'm not going to spend a decade's
income for an additional month's life expectancy.
Keith F. Lynch
Dec 27, 2016, 9:53:29 PM12/27/16
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David Goldfarb <goldf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It's a novel by John D. MacDonald, and it had a TV-movie adaptation.
> Keith is certainly remembering the Clarke story, however.
Very likely, but I'm wondering where I read it. After checking on
> It's a novel by John D. MacDonald, and it had a TV-movie adaptation.
> Keith is certainly remembering the Clarke story, however.
isfdb to see all the places it had been reprinted, I've confirmed that
I don't own a copy. Is it online somewhere? Thanks.
David Goldfarb
Dec 28, 2016, 1:45:12 AM12/28/16
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In article <o3v9f8$m05$1...@reader1.panix.com>,
something called unz.org, which seems to have PDF's of lots of
old magazines.
<www.unz.org/Pub/StartlingStories-1952jul-00069>
gets you a readable copy of the story.
In my case, it happens that when I was very young I was into astronomy.
I got as a Christmas gift an anthology called _Tales of Time and Space_.
It included the story. It was my introduction to SF. I still have it.
(Which is saying something, given that that history includes six
moves *and* a fire.)
--
David Goldfarb |"Any questions?"
goldf...@gmail.com | "Yeah. Who, what, where, and when; whither,
gold...@ocf.berkeley.edu | whether, whence, and wherefore; and a big
| side order of *why*." -- Hitchhiker's Guide
Keith F. Lynch <k...@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
>David Goldfarb <goldf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> It's a novel by John D. MacDonald, and it had a TV-movie adaptation.
>> Keith is certainly remembering the Clarke story, however.
>
>Very likely, but I'm wondering where I read it. After checking on
>isfdb to see all the places it had been reprinted, I've confirmed that
>I don't own a copy. Is it online somewhere? Thanks.
A Google search on "'all the time in the world' Clarke" turns up
>> It's a novel by John D. MacDonald, and it had a TV-movie adaptation.
>> Keith is certainly remembering the Clarke story, however.
>
>Very likely, but I'm wondering where I read it. After checking on
>isfdb to see all the places it had been reprinted, I've confirmed that
>I don't own a copy. Is it online somewhere? Thanks.
something called unz.org, which seems to have PDF's of lots of
old magazines.
<www.unz.org/Pub/StartlingStories-1952jul-00069>
gets you a readable copy of the story.
In my case, it happens that when I was very young I was into astronomy.
I got as a Christmas gift an anthology called _Tales of Time and Space_.
It included the story. It was my introduction to SF. I still have it.
(Which is saying something, given that that history includes six
moves *and* a fire.)
--
David Goldfarb |"Any questions?"
goldf...@gmail.com | "Yeah. Who, what, where, and when; whither,
gold...@ocf.berkeley.edu | whether, whence, and wherefore; and a big
| side order of *why*." -- Hitchhiker's Guide
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